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Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.09 12:48:00 - [1] - Quote CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy with swarm launcher? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS.
Kyy Seiska Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 188	Posted - 2012.09.09 12:54:00 - [2] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. You forgot CCP gave you a radar, why don't you guys use it?
Tectonious Falcon 23	Posted - 2012.09.09 13:03:00 - [3] - Quote Kyy Seiska wrote: Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. You forgot CCP gave you a radar, why don't you guys use it? I have sneaked up on so many enemies that should have known I'm there that it's not even funny. They see me and I go around them and it's like they assume that if I don't charge at them then I'm not going for them. And then there's people that think they can just run at me from behind even though I've seen them and they are on my radar
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.09 14:03:00 - [4] - Quote because it's like were playing a seperate game each of us K D is king why help a team mate when you can be shooting another player, tis the sorry for this cod mentality
Kyy Seiska Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 188	Posted - 2012.09.09 14:25:00 - [5] - Quote Dust isn't about Kills and deaths. ~~:it is all about SP and ISK:~~
FatalFlaw V1 ISK Faucet Industries 76	Posted - 2012.09.09 14:27:00 - [6] - Quote I wish there were more SP for assisting team members and completing objectives. Right now you get so much more by just getting the highest number of kills possible. If you can sit still and kill 2 players or run across the map to attempt to hack something, you are almost always better off in terms of total SP yield by going for more kills. The SP grind makes it worse. It seemed like far more people were going for objectives and actually trying to win when there were increased SP rewards.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.09 14:28:00 - [7] - Quote Atleast you answered Fenrir. It goes beyond CoD mentality. You camp spawns and stuff in CoD. People just wander off in Dust... It's like clones have some mental deficiency.
Obama DAT Doomheim 389	Posted - 2012.09.09 14:33:00 - [8] - Quote More points for me.
The Robot Devil 45	Posted - 2012.09.09 14:35:00 - [9] - Quote FatalFlaw V1 wrote: I wish there were more SP for assisting team members and completing objectives. Right now you get so much more by just getting the highest number of kills possible. If you can sit still and kill 2 players or run across the map to attempt to hack something, you are almost always better off in terms of total SP yield by going for more kills. The SP grind makes it worse. It seemed like far more people were going for objectives and actually trying to win when there were increased SP rewards. A four person squad makes about 160 sp per kill and about 75 per assist. The commander get some for leading and gets to call down orbital bombardment.
Kyy Seiska Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 188	Posted - 2012.09.09 14:35:00 - [10] - Quote FatalFlaw V1 wrote: I wish there were more SP for assisting team members and completing objectives. Right now you get so much more by just getting the highest number of kills possible. If you can sit still and kill 2 players or run across the map to attempt to hack something, you are almost always better off in terms of total SP yield by going for more kills. The SP grind makes it worse. It seemed like far more people were going for objectives and actually trying to win when there were increased SP rewards. Don't be silly. If you need to travel across the map, at least enjoy the journey by killing everything that moves on the way. Having a squad with few travel buddies also helps.

Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.09.09 15:08:00 - [11] - Quote FatalFlaw V1 wrote: I wish there were more SP for assisting team members and completing objectives. Right now you get so much more by just getting the highest number of kills possible. If you can sit still and kill 2 players or run across the map to attempt to hack something, you are almost always better off in terms of total SP yield by going for more kills. The SP grind makes it worse. It seemed like far more people were going for objectives and actually trying to win when there were increased SP rewards. This post only supports the OP, and sort of points to an attitude that results in poor teamwork. In a four person squad if you get good division of labor everyone benefits. Even in ambush with no objectives a good squad leader can bring in the same amount of sp as the high kdr killers. Without killing anyone. Just need teamwork.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:10:00 - [12] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Atleast you answered Fenrir. It goes beyond CoD mentality. You camp spawns and stuff in CoD. People just wander off in Dust... It's like clones have some mental deficiency. Not saying I play like that mate but it's the way it seems to be, lost count of the times of stuck with a couple of players help them cap a point either hacking or covering them only for them to bugger off and leave me at the next hacking point to run after another player. Dose make you feel like it's every man for himself
wathak 514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:19:00 - [13] - Quote Just wait till kdr is but on the backropes as the major isk/sp gain and personal player contracts come out where its eather win and get payed or lose and dont get payed
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:26:00 - [14] - Quote why u dont see teamplay among randoms in DUST is the same as any other game. ppl dont use mics ppl dont like taking orders from some random they randomly got in a game with there is no sort of pre planning to organise who will use what fits etc etc no one uses teamchat im sure most dont even know u can switch comm channels this is another reason why tanks **** infantry (along with the lolavnerf) this is also why a small grp of good players can absolutely run train on an entire team of unorganised randoms teamplay is never present in pubs which is why i hate playing with randoms
City Fan Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:28:00 - [15] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: FatalFlaw V1 wrote: I wish there were more SP for assisting team members and completing objectives. Right now you get so much more by just getting the highest number of kills possible. If you can sit still and kill 2 players or run across the map to attempt to hack something, you are almost always better off in terms of total SP yield by going for more kills. The SP grind makes it worse. It seemed like far more people were going for objectives and actually trying to win when there were increased SP rewards. A four person squad makes about 160 sp per kill and about 75 per assist. The commander get some for leading and gets to call down orbital bombardment. how do you call aerial attack? ive had this 'command' ticket flash up a few times.. didnt realise i could fire a weapon after it :) why dont people stick near each other, dont have to hold hands, just be in distance of trouble.. how do you kill those big tank things... how many swarm hits? i cant even hurt them
Virex Staz Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 53	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:32:00 - [16] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? Often its because I'm watching someone's back while they do it. If someone is hacking an objective I don't rush in and try and get points before I look around and see who is creeping up on it. Quote: CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? Often because I get killed trying to get there, because they are defended. You assume people aren't heading for the objectives, but are you sure you know how many die trying? Quote: CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy with swarm launcher? Because an AV fit requires me to get close to vehicles with much bigger weapons than I'm carrying, and I get killed. Quote: Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. This can all be summarised as "I'm bad" of course. But the reason so many of us are "bad" is that everyone starts that way. Your points are not necessarily causes of badness; they are often symptoms of it, though there's a bit of chicken-and-egg going on. One final point: if you are in a team with "bad" players, try to resist the temptation to ignore us or leave us behind. Some of us are trying really hard, but we may be thousands of hours behind you in FPS experience. Speak to a pilot about how much difference a thousand hours makes.
PHAROAH AMEN RA Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:35:00 - [17] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Atleast you answered Fenrir. It goes beyond CoD mentality. You camp spawns and stuff in CoD. People just wander off in Dust... It's like clones have some mental deficiency. The clones DO have a mental deficiancy or hear voices. Funny how that fits right in with the "LORE".
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:36:00 - [18] - Quote I have given up rushing to counter hack. People "cover you" instead of helping. I just shoot my friends who are "covering" me. Then hack it once it goes red and try to fight off the invaders. I look forward to friendly fire.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:39:00 - [19] - Quote See tony you made me feel bad so now i'm playing a combat scout medic. Its actualy awsome fun because the injector symbol flashes up and I just know I'm gona find some red dudes to kill around that area. Waaaay better than the craapy radar and active scannning. So you get the kills off the guy that just died and while ya waiting for ya shilds to come back up you might as well pick up another 60 points getting some noob up. Its just win win. If i see you on the ground tony promise to rev you but might haz to teabag a little first
Craig Greenway 21	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:40:00 - [20] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: I have given up rushing to counter hack. People "cover you" instead of helping. I just shoot my friends who are "covering" me. Then hack it once it goes red and try to fight off the invaders. I look forward to friendly fire. Tony - you are the only player I fear, the only player I want on my team, the only player I recognise so far Keep up the good work, play the game as it was intended, you will be legend...

oldgrump Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:41:00 - [21] - Quote I'm new at dust & still trying to figure out WTH is going on. Been checking forums & reading all I can find & still lost. This is a much different game then I am used to (BF3) & it will take some time Hope u will bear with me.
City Fan Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:45:00 - [22] - Quote listen, if you jump on someones jeep, stick with them, dont jump off and do your own thing.... the driver should also try to be slow & smooth when scouting rather than full speed.. no point firing when bouncing everywhere... chill out so yer new mate can get some good shots in... dont stop unless you sure you're ok for 30secs, but just roll along, get him to the objectives and i reckon the driver should go and hack... someones already on the gun you see... if you get killed often, be the 3rd man in a jeep and you do the hacking... stuff like that works well when some hidden enemy thinks its just 2 of you... get your vehicle called as soon as you start if you are in a decent spot.. wait to pick up some runners & crack on.... c'mon... only a few have SAS skills so team up more.. its more points for everyone in the squad... clock who they are at the start and try to stay near them
City Fan Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:46:00 - [23] - Quote oldgrump wrote: I'm new at dust & still trying to figure out WTH is going on. Been checking forums & reading all I can find & still lost. This is a much different game then I am used to (BF3) & it will take some time Hope u will bear with me. if this game had the physics of B3 - it'd be the best
Virex Staz Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 53	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:46:00 - [24] - Quote Is this thread simply about "we are l33t, there's a load of scrubs for us to kill" then? Or is it about letting those of us with less experience know how we should be changing our behaviour.
The-Truth02 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.09.09 20:49:00 - [25] - Quote I've noticed a definite lack in teamwork, not many Logistics/Support roles out there... I constantly feel like i'm the only one throwing down nanohives/healing/reviving, and it's not very often I see other people throwing down drop uplinks... seems like everyone just wants to kill kill kill.... Personally I get way more SP from filling in those support roles than when I go straight kill loadouts... I came from MAG, and it really saddens me to see so many CoD type players, teamwork in this game straight demolishes anything a single player can do alone... And just one more thing I hate... running to revive someone and they decide to respawn when I get within 10 ft of them... Randoms need more teamwork and more support roles
Craig Greenway 21	Posted - 2012.09.09 21:02:00 - [26] - Quote The-Truth02 wrote: I've noticed a definite lack in teamwork, not many Logistics/Support roles out there... I constantly feel like i'm the only one throwing down nanohives/healing/reviving, and it's not very often I see other people throwing down drop uplinks... seems like everyone just wants to kill kill kill.... Personally I get way more SP from filling in those support roles than when I go straight kill loadouts... I came from MAG, and it really saddens me to see so many CoD type players, teamwork in this game straight demolishes anything a single player can do alone... And just one more thing I hate... running to revive someone and they decide to respawn when I get within 10 ft of them... Randoms need more teamwork and more support roles You're right of course, but if you squad up you can sort that one out. Good balance of support and firepower, so keeping squad size to 4 is perfect for this - just need to squad up with a mixture of dropsuits / styles
Baconator juice Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.09.09 21:06:00 - [27] - Quote i have to say but.....console
Dactis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.09.09 21:13:00 - [28] - Quote I tend to prefer a purely assault role over a support one (I like being in the front lines). I do try to support my team at the same time though (stick in groups, cover blind spots, etc.). As to why I don't have a positive K/D ratio? The lag and constant freezing throws me off sooo much. I'll be aiming down my sights at a target, hit a lag spike, and suddenly be facing the opposite direction. Oh, plus I'm new, so I'm still figuring all this stuff out. The skill system is in no way intuitive, IMO.
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.09.09 21:34:00 - [29] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Kyy Seiska wrote: Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. You forgot CCP gave you a radar, why don't you guys use it? I have sneaked up on so many enemies that should have known I'm there that it's not even funny. They see me and I go around them and it's like they assume that if I don't charge at them then I'm not going for them. And then there's people that think they can just run at me from behind even though I've seen them and they are on my radar possibly they're fighting on non HDMI which i learned a few days ago is a huge disadvantage, the radar blips just look like fuzzy blobs, no way to tell what direction they're facing
Typo Name 78	Posted - 2012.09.09 21:56:00 - [30] - Quote I'm a logistics that occasionally uses LAVs and dropships. I'm forced to follow around the packs of people to remain effective.

fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.09 23:33:00 - [31] - Quote Managed to get 5 games tonight, out of those only 2 where the team sort of worked well together out of those 2 only 1 used voice comms. The other 3 were terrible tbh no supporting each other no communication every one every where. Who's to blame, we all were. You need comms for it to work as intended but many seem reluctant to use it and for some one to take charge and give orders. Thats why were bad and most of us are guilty.
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.09.09 23:46:00 - [32] - Quote FatalFlaw V1 wrote: I wish there were more SP for assisting team members and completing objectives. Right now you get so much more by just getting the highest number of kills possible. If you can sit still and kill 2 players or run across the map to attempt to hack something, you are almost always better off in terms of total SP yield by going for more kills. The SP grind makes it worse. It seemed like far more people were going for objectives and actually trying to win when there were increased SP rewards. Be a squad leader, set an order to defend or attack an objective near you. Watch your ISK and SP grow.
RankRancid Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 51	Posted - 2012.09.10 00:01:00 - [33] - Quote Reason number 1: this game has a steep learning curve. Reason number 2: loads of new players which is equaling feasting of older,more experienced beta players. Due to reason 2 I don't think it should be right to keep the name of the topic. We should change it to why are noobs...well noobs? I fear this will lead to circular reasoning which has something to do with reason 1. Lol I should not leave my reason 3 out though. Its because I'm just bad sadly.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.10 00:09:00 - [34] - Quote Actually I would like to keep the title in the hope that more players like Staz explain why they don't help hack an objective ect. I'm not saying you shouldn't suck as a nOOb, I just want people to think about why... If I get time I'll do a "Tony tells you how to play : Skirmish" and understanding the mentality of people who haven't played FPS games before, or ps3. Like Tebow saying about soft definition TV's having a useless minimap. I'll change title a bit.
RankRancid Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 51	Posted - 2012.09.10 00:33:00 - [35] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Actually I would like to keep the title in the hope that more players like Staz explain why they don't help hack an objective ect. I'm not saying you shouldn't suck as a nOOb, I just want people to think about why... If I get time I'll do a "Tony tells you how to play : Skirmish" and understanding the mentality of people who haven't played FPS games before, or ps3. Like Tebow saying about soft definition TV's having a useless minimap. I'll change title a bit. Now that thread will be awesome and benefit all the new players. Your pointers I'm sure will be spot on. I already see you are giving pointers here,so maybe my initial response was wrong too. I did only add the noob part to drive my point home about the learning curve. With time to think I can add a 4th reason. People are playing very far away from the servers. My ping to europe was 245 and my ping to america was +400. Luckily the dedicated servers give you something to work with and after a few days you are leading targets. It is a brutal learning curve and first build I played tested my patience dramatically. I'm not a pro fps. My overall mw3 spm is 392 which would make me catapult any small clan into the top 10 board. Its not meant to be a brag + I know how much everyone here hates cod so I'll just get tuned for being a no skill snot nose. I just need to show that even experienced players will have a hard time when coming in late to the party. Combine all 4 and you have a tragic recipe for what looks like noobness.
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.09.10 01:00:00 - [36] - Quote A few quick pointers to noobs: Read Read Read!- there is a ton of info at your finger tips, don't rush into game blindly, read up and learn. Speacialize- be good at something and don't spread out skills. Once you are good at one thing, then spread out. Don't be afraid to ask questions- there are tons of know-it-alls in here, just ask and ignore trolls. Teamwork makes the dream work- enough said. Comms- get on it if you wanna be viable, also people that say noobs need to get mics, make sure that you switch from squad chat to team chat to better communicate. Swarm Launcher have a lock-on- hold R1 instead of press and release line up vehicle or object in square wait and release. Stop shooting them at people won't do ish. And don't use the starter set up with heavy and swarm Launcher, worst build in game bar none.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.09.10 01:09:00 - [37] - Quote Kyy Seiska wrote: Dust isn't about Kills and deaths. ~~:it is all about SP and ISK:~~ Looking forward to the new warpoint system in the upcoming build. Totally time for the emphasis to be focused more clearly on the ISK & SP.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.09.10 01:20:00 - [38] - Quote I kill everything, everywhere, all the time. TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Kyy Seiska wrote: Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. You forgot CCP gave you a radar, why don't you guys use it? I have sneaked up on so many enemies that should have known I'm there that it's not even funny. They see me and I go around them and it's like they assume that if I don't charge at them then I'm not going for them. And then there's people that think they can just run at me from behind even though I've seen them and they are on my radar possibly they're fighting on non HDMI which i learned a few days ago is a huge disadvantage, the radar blips just look like fuzzy blobs, no way to tell what direction they're facing My Tv is nearly as old as me, and I'm dropping nearly everyone I come across.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.09.10 01:31:00 - [39] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: why u dont see teamplay among randoms in DUST is the same as any other game. ppl dont use mics ppl dont like taking orders from some random they randomly got in a game with there is no sort of pre planning to organise who will use what fits etc etc no one uses teamchat im sure most dont even know u can switch comm channels this is another reason why tanks **** infantry (along with the lolavnerf) this is also why a small grp of good players can absolutely run train on an entire team of unorganised randoms teamplay is never present in pubs which is why i hate playing with randoms Absolutely th^s. Without comms there is really nothing seperating one guy running around from another random guy running around. I don't believe people want to lose or they want to see their teamates get turned into target practice. Squading up is such a huge advantage in this game, but who's gonna want to run with players not using voice. I've been playing this game for 2 weeks. Because I run with a mic I've been able to meet players ad populate my contact list with guys I can squad up with. This has been hands down the biggest advantage I have found. I earn far more SP per match and get more kills/objectives simply because I gt a couple guys watching each others backs.
Vadun Imrael Immobile Infantry 9	Posted - 2012.09.10 01:37:00 - [40] - Quote Tell me what i'm doing wrong, but I have no idea how to kill a tank. If i put 6 rounds from a swarm launcher into a tank and it takes less than 5% shield damage, how am I supposed to kill it?

Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.09.10 01:43:00 - [41] - Quote Vadun Imrael wrote: Tell me what i'm doing wrong, but I have no idea how to kill a tank. If i put 6 rounds from a swarm launcher into a tank and it takes less than 5% shield damage, how am I supposed to kill it? Are you using militia swarms? because militia swarms wont be able to do a thing against the more advanced tanks. Go proto, or go home.
Vadun Imrael Immobile Infantry 9	Posted - 2012.09.10 02:03:00 - [42] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Vadun Imrael wrote: Tell me what i'm doing wrong, but I have no idea how to kill a tank. If i put 6 rounds from a swarm launcher into a tank and it takes less than 5% shield damage, how am I supposed to kill it? Are you using militia swarms? because militia swarms wont be able to do a thing against the more advanced tanks. Go proto, or go home. Yep just Miltiia swarms for the moment. If i want to go purely anti-vehicle is it worth it to invest in Forge guns and amarr heavy suits or stick to light and swarms?
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.09.10 02:06:00 - [43] - Quote oldgrump wrote: I'm new at dust & still trying to figure out WTH is going on. Been checking forums & reading all I can find & still lost. This is a much different game then I am used to (BF3) & it will take some time Hope u will bear with me. Just stick with it. It's actually more like BF3 than you think. You'll do better when staying close to squad-mates. There's a lot you can do to be helpful, even aside from killing. Just like BF3, you can revive ppl (nanite injectors), you can repair tanks or teammates' armor on their suits (repair tool), you can throw down ammo for teammates (nanohives), you can pilot tanks, or go AV and blow them up (although AV in this game is less effective than BF...until they fix it) Skirmish is basically like Conquest in BF3. Only instead of just occupying an area until you have control of it, you have to find the console where the letter is, and hack it. (hold O) Instead of "ticket bleed" the longer you hold objectives, the faster the enemy's MCC (big ship in sky) gets blown up.
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.09.10 02:21:00 - [44] - Quote yea i'm sure some can rock on a low def TV but i dragged my 37" vizio to a new location.. once u go HDMI it's hard to readjust back. anyway new guys; random teaming sux.. the couple of non random squads are usually not on team chat, because they don't want to hear the normal team chatter which is usually noobs chatting about "this game, that game, DUST sniper rifles sucking, the nades arent like COD, bla bla bla.." or some a-hole epeening vet raging out while trying to roleplay as rambo (not pointing fingers at anyone here in this thread), which is probly the reason he's playing random games because no one wants him and his mouth in their squad despite his massive KDR; is why not many use team chat. if u need a squad and we have a free spot i'm usually with some great players, my own performance can vary but i'm very squad/teamplay minded and have specced alot into squad based stuff like advanced droplinks/nanohives, and dropships send me a mail i will get you on a good squad or if we have a spot i will put you in it. if your chill and willing to learn you can probly stay on it but understand it's difficult with only 4 slots per squad and we might have to let u go for a while to make room for someone else who we may have promised a spot before you, but it's nothing personal, usually. at least u can meet some other good players and probly squad with us or them again soon..
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.09.10 02:38:00 - [45] - Quote Vadun Imrael wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Vadun Imrael wrote: Tell me what i'm doing wrong, but I have no idea how to kill a tank. If i put 6 rounds from a swarm launcher into a tank and it takes less than 5% shield damage, how am I supposed to kill it? Are you using militia swarms? because militia swarms wont be able to do a thing against the more advanced tanks. Go proto, or go home. Yep just Miltiia swarms for the moment. If i want to go purely anti-vehicle is it worth it to invest in Forge guns and amarr heavy suits or stick to light and swarms? Swarms deal more damage to armor tanks, while forge guns deal more damage to sheild tanks. It really depends on your play style.
Jean-Henri 30	Posted - 2012.09.10 03:20:00 - [46] - Quote asia server has a limited roster, a couple of days ago we all started getting American server games. Normally the limited player base on Asia server has made for great team work, people stick together and fight together. Moving to the American server has been a hellish confusion.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.10 03:37:00 - [47] - Quote Forge is suicide until they sort out the explosive feedback. Fzzzz bang miss. Repeat until dead. Argh. I only use the basic swarm launcher. It's 20k sp well spent, and can suppress tanks far more effectively due to a larger clip. You'll still want hives and AV nades. And you'll still get laughed at by good tanks. As for the running without a mic or alone, I quite often do both currently. It shouldn't be a problem. Certainly a disadvantage, but I like a little challenge. With 16 players on my team, why am I the only one calling in militia tanks. Dropships. Uplinks. Hives. Injecting. I don't repair because I don't have time :P I'm also exaggerating a bit. But only a little. I guess the best piece of short advice would be that if you see someone doing something like hacking/dropping uplinks/throwing AV nades/reviving ect, think "why am I not doing that?" Then do it if you don't have a really good answer. (such as being dead). Re:Group Hacking. Forget covering someone hacking an objective for 10seconds. Help them, and make it 5 seconds instead. If an enemy spawns it takes about 10 bullets to kill someone. Less than a second. This is assuming standard assault rifle just as an example.The best bet is to help hack, but face the opposite direction to your buddy. First one to get shot defends the other one :) @Staz Your answers have been most helpful so far, other than covering at objectives, it sounds like you are going about things right.
Burger Helper 84	Posted - 2012.09.10 03:51:00 - [48] - Quote they didn't read the tutorials LOTS of new players don't read the tutorials, they HAVE to be mandatory, maybe even with a small quiz at the end? it's be a huge pain in the ass, but it would help them out much more than they care to admit. i'm tired of people asking me stuff like "how do i change my fit"? ITS IN THE DAMN TUTORIAL WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE READ. THE TUTORIALS ARE ALL IN THE START MENU
PHAROAH AMEN RA Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2012.09.10 04:03:00 - [49] - Quote Vadun Imrael wrote: Tell me what i'm doing wrong, but I have no idea how to kill a tank. If i put 6 rounds from a swarm launcher into a tank and it takes less than 5% shield damage, how am I supposed to kill it? 30 million isk question !!. Pay the man !!
PHAROAH AMEN RA Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2012.09.10 04:17:00 - [50] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy with swarm launcher? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. When u start out u dont know anything. Poor performace of the troops is Poor performance of their Superiors. When u see a new guy with a mic take him under your wing and show him! He or she just doesnt know! Its that simple. No explanations needed. Clones can learn. Well they are supposed too. TRY TEACHING !!

fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.10 08:15:00 - [51] - Quote bump intresring and informative thread one of few.
Mitchman 514 36	Posted - 2012.09.10 09:13:00 - [52] - Quote As for people not watching the radar, that's lack of situational awareness. It's something you can train, but it's not automatic for many. If people play a lot, they will improve and always keep an eye on the radar, I know I had to learn that as I'm not fps player normally. One thing that irritates me is that many medics don't try to revive even if there are fallen team mates right next to them and no enemy close by. Oh not, they will rather try to kill someone and miss out on the points for reviving. This might be because this game is still judging stats on K/D, so unless that changes I don't see this improving much. The score board after a fight should show how many WP you did and rank people based on that, that will make it more worthwhile to be in the medic role I think.
Mo Gallas Gentralde Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 178	Posted - 2012.09.10 09:23:00 - [53] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: I have given up rushing to counter hack. People "cover you" instead of helping. I just shoot my friends who are "covering" me. Then hack it once it goes red and try to fight off the invaders. I look forward to friendly fire. Have you ever played with someone who is colorblind? They check enemies and allies by shooting them to see if they take damage. >.> You will be in for a whole new level of annoyance if you think that people just dinking around like that are aggravating.
Baal Jagorin Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.09.10 09:43:00 - [54] - Quote I have a problem with these squad based FPS games which results in me usually having the most out of balanced K/D in the game. I'm a squad / platoon leader. I charge in where others won't and I expect my men to follow me. While this works 99% of the time in BF3 with my platoon, the lack of cooridination, no, lack of basic cooperation at the squad level kind of kills Dust for me so far, but I am trying not to judge a beta. Running in is a hard habit to break, especially when I usually have at least one, if not two, dedicated medics per squad while in BF3. While storming enemy positions with fire and manuvers works in BF3 I have noticed its awe inspiring lack of effectivness in Dust when left without a coordinated team. My 'heroic' charges usually end in my expedient death, but in my defense I usually take at least one out with me, and I am quick to collapse on objectives in skirmish, but I will abandon them as soon as I finish, because as soon as I begin hacking it, it tells all those kill hungry savages on the other team all about it and the feeding frenzy ensues. I also do my best to avoid heavy vics at ALL costs as the splash seems to be impossible to get away from, like its a set value for splash radius instead of a degrading value that radiates out. In the end though I die so many times simply because I'm an objective player, I work towards a team victory, not my name on top of a leader board. In the average game I will hack 3-5 objectives and various outlying resources, enemy vics if given the opportunity, and will quickly abandon defenses against a swarm so that I can get to an enemy held objective.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.10 12:12:00 - [55] - Quote The-Truth02 wrote: I've noticed a definite lack in teamwork, not many Logistics/Support roles out there... I constantly feel like i'm the only one throwing down nanohives/healing/reviving, and it's not very often I see other people throwing down drop uplinks... seems like everyone just wants to kill kill kill.... Personally I get way more SP from filling in those support roles than when I go straight kill loadouts... I came from MAG, and it really saddens me to see so many CoD type players, teamwork in this game straight demolishes anything a single player can do alone... And just one more thing I hate... running to revive someone and they decide to respawn when I get within 10 ft of them... Randoms need more teamwork and more support roles i question if u really came from MAG tbh seeing as MAG randoms were some of the worse for teamplay and judging how we got so many former MAG randoms here then yea seems about right. ppl like to keep sayin "cod type players" yall do know that EVERY game is like this in pubs on ps3 right?
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.10 12:30:00 - [56] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: [quote=The-Truth02]I' ppl like to keep sayin "cod type players" yall do know that EVERY game is like this in pubs on ps3 right? It's just the easy way to describe the headless chicken approach in game play , you know the run and gun type, bugger the team I just want to shoot people. This is what cod does best, trouble is this is an objective team based game that dosn't reward that type of play.
SGT Garrisson On The Brink 60	Posted - 2012.09.10 13:04:00 - [57] - Quote Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: Tony Calif wrote: I have given up rushing to counter hack. People "cover you" instead of helping. I just shoot my friends who are "covering" me. Then hack it once it goes red and try to fight off the invaders. I look forward to friendly fire. Have you ever played with someone who is colorblind? They check enemies and allies by shooting them to see if they take damage. >.> You will be in for a whole new level of annoyance if you think that people just dinking around like that are aggravating. alot of people using older tv are having issues with black and white atm something to do with the game registering at 60hz instead of standard 50hz (pal) not sure if its a regional coding error or what i stopped playing when this happend in the august buiild but hopfully they will sort it in the next relese if there releasing one b4 launch
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.09.10 13:14:00 - [58] - Quote I squad up with folks with mic and its fun times. Its great when folks KNOW what they are doing. On the other hand theres randoms with no mics: 1 folks do not bother to learn what passive skills do..i.e. Vigor L5 and Endurance L5 makes a heavy able to sprint here and there but do the noobs bother learning this tidbit?? hell no!! 2 no mics 3 no reading about what support equipment does what 4 no teamwork 5 folks thinking one weapon kills everything i.e. noob enemies rideing on top of my militia tank trying to kill it with an AR, SMG or a pistol...LOL!!
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.10 13:20:00 - [59] - Quote Colour problems need to be fixed. There needs to be a couple of colour blind options. Heck, I don't mind sucking up a few shots so that the dude knows I'm a friend. If he'd just help with this hack... Regarding CoD not being a team game, I'd ask you to look at the kill streaks. Flak jackets, UAV, counter UAV, black birds, emergency air drops ect were all team based. Just because people dont understand, doesn't mean it isn't a team game. Just like Dust ATM. It's lack of understanding.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.09.10 13:33:00 - [60] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Colour problems need to be fixed. There needs to be a couple of colour blind options. Heck, I don't mind sucking up a few shots so that the dude knows I'm a friend. If he'd just help with this hack... Regarding CoD not being a team game, I'd ask you to look at the kill streaks. Flak jackets, UAV, counter UAV, black birds, emergency air drops ect were all team based. Just because people dont understand, doesn't mean it isn't a team game. Just like Dust ATM. It's lack of understanding. Squads are limited to FOUR. When squads are EIGHT or TWELVE then gee guess what?? Better team work when more friends squad up.

PHAROAH AMEN RA Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2012.09.10 13:48:00 - [61] - Quote Immersion in a game can start with the sound effects. Hopefully the guns and theirs sounds gets improved to make the player say holy freakin crap a plasma AR wtf YEAH I WANNA FIRE THIS GUN or any gun here for that matter. someone on this forum said "TEAMWORK MAKES THE DREAM WORK". If the talking was diff ppl would communicate more. Its not just the communication inside ur squad, what about sqaud to squad or squad to platoon or whatever. I think u get my add on. The communication in MAG from platoon leader to squad leaders worked for the most part and made the squad leader immersed in his job JMO. Dont forget in MAG when the whole platoon knew its job it was a thing of beauty and SVER were the kings of revive. Everyone had a medkit and would run across the board to pick ppl up. If the logi cant comminicate with his potential pick up, why wait just press circle but if you heard "IM COMMIN MAN HOLD ON, ALMOST THERE" you just might wait. Maybe the voice telling u get to the burnzone should also say to squad leaders set ur objectives.
iiClash D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 0	Posted - 2012.09.10 14:15:00 - [62] - Quote There will always be "Noobs". In every game that comes out, it's just that lack of action that most casual gamers have, if you've played any other FPS then this game should be easy, honestly i've been going 20-5 ish and im sure it we will all do CRAZY good when the game comes out and we feast on the non-beta testers. Just wait.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.10 14:18:00 - [63] - Quote For me its being a lone wolf, it trains me up not to rely on teammates that I don't know so well.
Loss Tovas ZionTCD Legacy Rising 236	Posted - 2012.09.10 14:23:00 - [64] - Quote iiClash wrote: There will always be "Noobs". In every game that comes out, it's just that lack of action that most casual gamers have, if you've played any other FPS then this game should be easy, honestly i've been going 20-5 ish and im sure it we will all do CRAZY good when the game comes out and we feast on the non-beta testers. Just wait. This is possible but I am not so sure. Since we will have highsec and lowsec, which will in turn determine what gear we can field (so I have heard), killing nubs is going to put us roughly on the same field gear wise and if it is anything like EVE then you will see noobcorps that will operate in those highsec areas. That coordination will make it a bit tougher to farm the nubs. When this thing launches the best thing someone can do, IMO, is get their kitten in a corp and work work work. 0.0 is the destination and has the greatest rewards. Besides, why farm nubs when you can just steal planets from EVE players?
Corban Lahnder ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.09.10 14:49:00 - [65] - Quote oldgrump wrote: I'm new at dust & still trying to figure out WTH is going on. Been checking forums & reading all I can find & still lost. This is a much different game then I am used to (BF3) & it will take some time Hope u will bear with me. Old grump join this in game chanel. ziontcd We can offer you alot of in game training and help. Dust is complicated compared to all other fps except maybe ps2. When you add in the server bugs etc, it can be really frustrating. If you need guidance and a group of informative people to run with please pay us a visit. I want to get you help before you toss in your controller and leave the beta.
drake sadani Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2012.09.10 15:00:00 - [66] - Quote i have had my pass for 2 days . . i have not yet modified my heavy suit.. also skills are taking up alot of my time . but if i cannot fight up front adequately . i go to the back and drop nano hives for everyone . the best thing i did when i started was i sat back and watched what all the people in really nice armor with high grade weapons where doing. that and i played two matches and played with my suits some. while in game its fairly simple take a point on the map . hold it until its yours them move on like capture the flag . . when its just killing clones its death match . skills work like tier unlocking in bf3 . but with more detail and hoops to jump trough. after the second match i had everything down for battle . its taken me a bit longer to go trough all the suits and vehicles . i have come to hate PG and CPU requirements and skill need . i have super advanced swarm launchers that i got as loot ........ but i cannot use them
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.10 15:08:00 - [67] - Quote Yeah, that's kinda worrying Drake. @All dem nOObs If you see me in game, message me, and we'll hook up. I'm happy to help you guys. But just ignore me when I start raging. I've played with several "mentor" clans before. I'm not looking at that when Dust is released, but until then I'll play with any one. Except people who spend all game talking about carebears, 0.0 and drakes. Wrong game.
drake sadani Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2012.09.10 15:12:00 - [68] - Quote lol sorry i edited tony >< i thought it was off topic and i would get warbled at lol . but yes he had no idea of gun safety . and all thanks to COD . which has the intelligence of this http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/625/135891.jpg also wrong game ? i is confused now ><
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.09.10 17:26:00 - [69] - Quote I hope your clone never reanimates. See, how do you like it when people pop into your threads and spew hateful things? What an ass (speaking of OP, Tony Calif).
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.10 18:27:00 - [70] - Quote I love your rage. LoL. Feed me sniper tears lol. I could do another thread before my "tony's quick guide to skirmish." I could do one all about sniping, and how it's ineffective, KBM advantage, why people get killed with AR's when they're a sniper, that kinda thing. But I'd really rather concentrate on getting those who are actually going to the objectives, hacking them too. And getting there alive (mostly).

Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.09.10 18:36:00 - [71] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: I love your rage. LoL. Feed me sniper tears lol. I could do another thread before my "tony's quick guide to skirmish." I could do one all about sniping, and how it's ineffective, KBM advantage, why people get killed with AR's when they're a sniper, that kinda thing. But I'd really rather concentrate on getting those who are actually going to the objectives, hacking them too. And getting there alive (mostly). You get there alive from Intel and covery fire from a sniper position. What are you on dude? Sniper tears? Do you take drugs, son? C'mon man, what the hell do you know about tactical combat? Did you serve as a private in the military for 4 years? Think that makes you a master of tactical skirmish combat? Maybe you don't get there alive very often because you're incorrectly utilizing the combat roles available to you. Perhaps you should rethink what you think you know about combat. And lastly, what you did is considered hate speech. You wished a detrimental outcome (permanent death) on a specific class of persons (snipers) for nothing more than being what they are. Are you also a white supremacist from the deep south who attacks blacks and gays randomly for nothing more than being who they are? What do you stand for? You act like a child who only recently received internet privileges. Retaliating the way I did was unacceptable, I'll admit that. Do you even have a job?
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.10 18:45:00 - [72] - Quote U mad? eRage much? I actually have the week off, and I AM from the deep south... Of England. I'll address snipers in my quick guide to skirmish, and you can tell me I'm doing it wrong.
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.09.10 18:57:00 - [73] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: U mad? eRage much? I actually have the week off, and I AM from the deep south... Of England. I'll address snipers in my quick guide to skirmish, and you can tell me I'm doing it wrong. If you had anything valid to provide I'd gladly review it, but frankly if you have the week off and can't write a valid well thought out post on the detriment of sniping then I question the authenticity of even the remarks you just made. Maybe you're from the deep south of England, but I pity the poor Englishmen who have to claim you as their own. Sir, you may be reading what I'm saying as 'e-rage', because that's how you want to read it. I'm simply stating what I see as the facts of this conversation. You're a hateful lad, from the cliffs of Dover or the tips of Cornwall (edit: just as an example, nothing against Dover or Cornwall specifically), that believes he has some superior knowledge to tactical combat and can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that snipers not only are useless to combat but act as a detriment to the battlefield as a whole (in this case: specifically skirmish mode). You seem to believe that your own UK military, the US military, and any modern warfare institution has wasted millions of man hours, lives, and training on a class of combat persons that are just simply useless to everyone on the battlefield. This goes for Intel, cover from a distance, altogether 'thinning the numbers', or simply providing distraction. In fact, the use of this class is so common that it's in almost every combat game out there. So, sir, I cannot wait to see your 'quick guide to skirmish', where you prove to the rest of the world that snipers just aren't very good and should have friendly guns turned on them at the sight of a sniper rifle. You sir are our enemy, but not just to us, your ideas are dangerous to humanity at large. The ignorant vitriol you spew only serves to prove my point. Your whole premise reeks of e-rage. Like somebody keeps shooting you from far away and so you lash out against the entire community. Clones die, it happens. It's ok. Let it all out.
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.09.10 18:58:00 - [74] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy with swarm launcher? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. wish i was as good as you
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.09.10 19:30:00 - [75] - Quote Corban Lahnder wrote: oldgrump wrote: I'm new at dust & still trying to figure out WTH is going on. Been checking forums & reading all I can find & still lost. This is a much different game then I am used to (BF3) & it will take some time Hope u will bear with me. Old grump join this in game chanel. ziontcd We can offer you alot of in game training and help. Dust is complicated compared to all other fps except maybe ps2. When you add in the server bugs etc, it can be really frustrating. If you need guidance and a group of informative people to run with please pay us a visit. I want to get you help before you toss in your controller and leave the beta. ya old grump, u need to squad up with some vets, i hear these guys are good. if they are full my squads sometimes have a spot open, or we know good ppl who are LFS (looking for squad/mates) hopefully we get 6 man squads soon so the rumor goes.
Altaree Draeden Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2012.09.10 20:12:00 - [76] - Quote They need to change the default from "squad chat/listen to voice off" to "team chat/listen to voice on" even for those w/o mics. Having to remember to reset this EVERY time we restart eve is one of the reasons people aren't on chat if they don't organize a squad before they enter battle.
G Torq ALTA B2O 88	Posted - 2012.09.11 08:43:00 - [77] - Quote Baal Jagorin wrote: I have a problem with these squad based FPS games which results in me usually having the most out of balanced K/D in the game. I'm a squad / platoon leader. I charge in where others won't and I expect my men to follow me. While this works 99% of the time in BF3 with my platoon, the lack of cooridination, no, lack of basic cooperation at the squad level kind of kills Dust for me so far, but I am trying not to judge a beta. (Noob here, not just to Dust, but to FPSes in general) Questions: A) How do I avoid becoming a squad leader? I've noticed being one a few times, and if others are better suited (care about it), I'll gladly yield the spot! B) How do I recognize my squad leader on the HUD? Turquoise dots, 3 of them, all identical - which is the leader, that I'm supposed to follow? C) How do I quickly issue squad commands? Not seen a tutorial pop up about it (or: not noticed one)? D) How do I acknowledge a command from a squad leader? I've seen 1 or 2 requests to "Go to a point", but going there, waiting around did nothing, and the marker stayed there for the rest of the match.
Billi Gene Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2012.09.11 09:16:00 - [78] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy with swarm launcher? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. 1. tanks, grenades 2. tanks 3. tanks any other questions?
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.09.17 12:35:00 - [79] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy with swarm launcher? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. 2 self proclaimed pros: Zekain Kade, Tony Calif fun fact! Tednugent smacked Zekain Kade and for more lulz: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=308161#post308161
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.17 12:47:00 - [80] - Quote No, I'm the scrubiest player in my MAG clan. LoL. But they're all playing CS. Point is when FPS clans (such as STB) can actually roll in numbers I'll stop caring for randoms. I'm pretty used to playing against good players (like STB, EOS and nightmare) I'd just like the crappy ones to help.

Kaeralli Sturmovos KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 117	Posted - 2012.09.17 12:51:00 - [81] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy with swarm launcher? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. simple, its not COD theres not much cover to hide behind. cant get kills with aw3som3 "Spray n' Pray" without no cover!!!
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.09.17 15:28:00 - [82] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy with swarm launcher? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. Very very simple.... and coming from a newb (I believe there is a difference between Noob and Newb) WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT I am posting like crazy on the forums currently as I have the time to do so, but I'd imagine many others out there do not. Until this morning I didn't know what a Nano Hive was nor a Drop Link. If you are so upset by us Noobs, then start a thread advising Noobs on how to play........... have you, for example, posted in the 'Tips, guides and strategies' thread? Tony Calif wrote: CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy with swarm launcher? Rather than asking " why we don't do it", tell us what works..... so in this case, how would you set it up? Tony Calif wrote: CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? Until this morning I didn't know there was extra bonus WP for doing this? How do we recognize an objective? Apart from these forums there is scant information available and if you look at the forums I'd say only 1/10 threads are about learning. The rest are recruitment threads and complaints. I'm not digging, but comments like this are just typical Tony Calif wrote: Pick up the slack FFS. I'm not going to edit all of my comments, but I feel I should soften them a little as now that I am further through the thread I can see that you are clearly helping more than I initially though. though, fact remains (not aimed at you), there is a lot to learn in this game. For me getting even a little SP is proving tough as I am only getting around 2500 per game, which at that rate makes it impossible to progress. However, with tons of posting today I have learnt atlot and just need to wait for the Mrs and the little one to go out so I can test some of it EDIT Also, I think one thing that EVERYONE needs to take into account, is that this game, due to its EvE connections, is attracting players that have never/rarely played a FPS. I can speak first hand for this as I am one of them. The last time I played a FPS was for about 10minutes 15 years or so ago when my little brother beat me at DOOM. Called me scarred but after that I have no even looked at one since...... until now. If this game is able to attract players from games as established as many of the ones listed in this thread, AND has the ability to attract new players to the genre...... then it is truely capable of being something very special.... much like EvE is. However, we, I, need your help. Not only is this a new game for me, it's a new Genre and it's on a platform that is relatively new to me too.... (PS3, incase you were wondering). I'm trying......... I honestly am....... so I can assure you, it's not down to that that I suck. Regards Barrak
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 311	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:10:00 - [83] - Quote there is the other element that people might be missing. This is a beta and some people are testing. I know a lot of you are old here and have tried everything out, and probably think that doesn't need to keep happening. And some of you just got into the beta to play the game early. But I'm new to the beta, I want to try all the kit combos I can think of to see what works and what doesn't for myself. So often I'm playing with an awful kit, unable to help and dying a lot, but still trying to make it work. I've hardly touched vehicles so when I do (damn the controls suck!) I crash a lot or get blown up right away.
Thomas Canalejo 69	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:16:00 - [84] - Quote COD is not a team based game its all about KD so you have all these ppl from COD starting this game. as you can see the rage quiting lol and not even to hack points A B C D E this was not going on a a few months ago
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:18:00 - [85] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: No, I'm the scrubiest player in my MAG clan. LoL. But they're all playing CS. Point is when FPS clans (such as STB) can actually roll in numbers I'll stop caring for randoms. I'm pretty used to playing against good players (like STB, EOS and nightmare) I'd just like the crappy ones to help. well at least Zekain Kade claims to be gods gift to Dust
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:51:00 - [86] - Quote This dude Tony here, he is hardcore. If ever comes a time when i need someone most, when i am under fire and about to be blow to bits, when i am out of freaking ammo! , then i know who will come for me. TONY! Actually, he would probably be the one to shoot me in the head. That given, Tony, will you.....be on a team with me? Scratch that. Can i kill you once and brag about it forever?
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:54:00 - [87] - Quote Rayan Storm wrote: This dude Tony here, he is hardcore. If ever comes a time when i need someone most, when i am under fire and about to be blow to bits, when i am out of freaking ammo! , then i know who will come for me. TONY! Actually, he would probably be the one to shoot me in the head. That given, Tony, will you.....be on a team with me? Scratch that. Can i kill you once and brag about it forever? LOL aint that the truth yes hes killed me a million times but hey I'll get him one day
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:59:00 - [88] - Quote Craig Greenway wrote: Tony Calif wrote: I have given up rushing to counter hack. People "cover you" instead of helping. I just shoot my friends who are "covering" me. Then hack it once it goes red and try to fight off the invaders. I look forward to friendly fire. Tony - you are the only player I fear, the only player I want on my team, the only player I recognise so far Keep up the good work, play the game as it was intended, you will be legend... Omg Craig, do NOT encourage him. His friggin ego is a major cause of lag in dust
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:13:00 - [89] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Craig Greenway wrote: Tony Calif wrote: I have given up rushing to counter hack. People "cover you" instead of helping. I just shoot my friends who are "covering" me. Then hack it once it goes red and try to fight off the invaders. I look forward to friendly fire. Tony - you are the only player I fear, the only player I want on my team, the only player I recognise so far Keep up the good work, play the game as it was intended, you will be legend... Omg Craig, do NOT encourage him. His friggin ego is a major cause of lag in dust LOL. So true. One day, we should ALL team up on Tony. Just go beserk on him. I mean, a dozen tanks, 9 dropships, swarm launchers galore! Rail guns, snipers, orbital bombardment! THE WHOLE SPIEL! WE ARE COMING FOR YOU TONY! And you know what the worst part is? He would still kill us all. Several times. Each.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:13:00 - [90] - Quote Rayan, I'll happily group up, I'll also block those bullets with my shields! Huzzah! I'll probably be going for the objective, not you however, so use me as a distraction and split :P Jax. 2500SP a game is woeful, I don't mean that harshly, but some skills cost 2 million or more. I shall do my very utmost to get you some points. Fenrir Use an assault mass driver. Kills me everytime. Because I can't use my 1337 aim to shoot you. They are so annoying lol. Edit; Howard, you make me lol

Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:14:00 - [91] - Quote fenrir storm wrote: Rayan Storm wrote: This dude Tony here, he is hardcore. If ever comes a time when i need someone most, when i am under fire and about to be blow to bits, when i am out of freaking ammo! , then i know who will come for me. TONY! Actually, he would probably be the one to shoot me in the head. That given, Tony, will you.....be on a team with me? Scratch that. Can i kill you once and brag about it forever? LOL aint that the truth yes hes killed me a million times but hey I'll get him one day I think the only chance we have to get him is if we snipe him while he is not looking. but good luck, and happy hunting.
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:16:00 - [92] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Rayan, I'll happily group up, I'll also block those bullets with my shields! Huzzah! I'll probably be going for the objective, not you however, so use me as a distraction and split :P Jax. 2500SP a game is woeful, I don't mean that harshly, but some skills cost 2 million or more. I shall do my very utmost to get you some points. Fenrir Use an assault mass driver. Kills me everytime. Because I can't use my 1337 aim to shoot you. They are so annoying lol. Ill send you a message or something sometime. It will be interesting to actually have you on the team sometime instead of against. See you on the battlefield!
Jax GG Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:26:00 - [93] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Jax. 2500SP a game is woeful, I don't mean that harshly............... Ain't that the truth! I'll get better, I know I will, but it's going to take a while. I just can't get the hop, skip, jump................. and shoot bit down yet
Uber Dragonlord Valkarish 29	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:30:00 - [94] - Quote I admit that on my first day on the server I wandered around a lot just to get a feel for the map layout (and because I hadn't realized this was a squad-based tactical shooter yet), but since then I've noticed the same thing. Maybe there is just a constant stream of people getting new beta codes and a lot of the existing good players have decided to take a while off until some of the bugs are worked out. Tony dude.... you've wasted me so many times it's not even funny bro. I love seeing you in a fight, it means there is a challenge on the field. I mainly play support keeping everyone healed and supplied, but I've taken a few shots at you before, and you always returned them in spades. In fact every time your on the field my sp is crap because you come up on me while I'm repairing armor almost every time. You've got some kinda mad ninja skills out there bro. ^^
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:33:00 - [95] - Quote Rayan Storm wrote: fenrir storm wrote: Rayan Storm wrote: This dude Tony here, he is hardcore. If ever comes a time when i need someone most, when i am under fire and about to be blow to bits, when i am out of freaking ammo! , then i know who will come for me. TONY! Actually, he would probably be the one to shoot me in the head. That given, Tony, will you.....be on a team with me? Scratch that. Can i kill you once and brag about it forever? LOL aint that the truth yes hes killed me a million times but hey I'll get him one day I think the only chance we have to get him is if we snipe him while he is not looking. but good luck, and happy hunting. I'm lulling him into a sense of false security with my woe full aim and movement skills
Foldenfly Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:34:00 - [96] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: CCP allowed group hacking so why don't you do it? CCP put in a an objective mode, why don't you guys go for the objectives? CCP put in the ability to customise your fit, why don't you make an Av fit which isn't a heavy with swarm launcher? Answers please. I've had game after game where I am winning things for my team. Pick up the slack FFS. This is the second time I've tried to post this, so gonna do an abbreviated post. Sorry for the abruptness, just getting to the point. 1. Thanks for bringing this up. I don't understand squads and don't see people talking in them, so I have simply stopped looking. 2. I follow squad commands when they pop up, unless I'm working on my own objective (i.e., across the map). 3. Objective based matches can benefit from secondary tasks, like capturing clone drops behind enemy lines so your crew can flank, sneaking behind lines to draw enemy players from the rest of the team, hunting snipers, etc. EDIT: This can turn the tide of a battle and is rarely done. 4. I've stood ground with my teammates, only to get shot in the back because they weren't covering me. Kinda makes it hard to work w/others when I don't think they have my back. 5. I just learned last night that "group hacking" speeds up the hack. This has changed my tactic. 6. Squad leaders need to speak ASAP, especially when we drop in the game mid-match. I've checked chat a couple times, but nothing's ever said and I simply stopped checking. COMMUNICATION IS KEY. 7. Mods are confusing and costly. I am a former EVE player and still find the skills/mods a bit intimidating. I dropped 3mil on 50 mid-level assault clones last night alone. I priority list of skills (like learning skills in EVE) would go a long way. 8. Snipers should be a member of the squad, but are often camped somewhere else until someone like me hunts them down. 9. I have had many players heal me when I'm down, but just as many have done nothing. Waste of clones in the team deathmatch situation, and much easier to just respawn in objective-based matches. I'm all for squad work, but not competent enough to run one, and don't see others actively attempting to when I'm in-game. Because of that, my only goal has been to win the match for my team and help out where I can. I don't need to be on top of the leaderboards. If I did, I would stick w/COD. And to echo another poster's comment, how do I quit as squad leader? Until I have a better understanding of how they work, and they are properly utilized by other players, I do not wish to perpetuate their misuse.
spccarmona 5	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:37:00 - [97] - Quote I'm with you Tony... I am sort of a noob and just getting the hand at this, I try and track squad mates down but they are usually scattered. If I can't get to a squad mate then I try and stick with other allies as I made myself a full support member and want to make myself useful as best as possible!!!
Scrubby McScrubscrub Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:40:00 - [98] - Quote Kyy Seiska wrote: Dust isn't about Kills and deaths. ~~:it is all about SP and ISK:~~ Dust Shouldn't be about Kills and Deaths ~~:It should be about SP and ISK:~~
Uber Dragonlord Valkarish 29	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:48:00 - [99] - Quote spccarmona wrote: I'm with you Tony... I am sort of a noob and just getting the hand at this, I try and track squad mates down but they are usually scattered. If I can't get to a squad mate then I try and stick with other allies as I made myself a full support member and want to make myself useful as best as possible!!! That's one of the great things about this game, even if you have trouble with being a front line soldier there are other options for you. You can drive a tank, you can transport troops via dropship, you can repair vehicles and installations, you can heal allies, you can set up better droplinks for your team, you can focus on keeping your team supplied, on and on and on and the list keeps growing. I'm support role all the way bro, power to the support troops!
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:55:00 - [100] - Quote fenrir storm wrote: Rayan Storm wrote: fenrir storm wrote: Rayan Storm wrote: This dude Tony here, he is hardcore. If ever comes a time when i need someone most, when i am under fire and about to be blow to bits, when i am out of freaking ammo! , then i know who will come for me. TONY! Actually, he would probably be the one to shoot me in the head. That given, Tony, will you.....be on a team with me? Scratch that. Can i kill you once and brag about it forever? LOL aint that the truth yes hes killed me a million times but hey I'll get him one day I think the only chance we have to get him is if we snipe him while he is not looking. but good luck, and happy hunting. I'm lulling him into a sense of false security with my woe full aim and movement skills XD As am i, friend. As am i...

fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.17 19:01:00 - [101] - Quote Rayan Storm wrote: fenrir storm wrote: Rayan Storm wrote: fenrir storm wrote: Rayan Storm wrote: This dude Tony here, he is hardcore. If ever comes a time when i need someone most, when i am under fire and about to be blow to bits, when i am out of freaking ammo! , then i know who will come for me. TONY! Actually, he would probably be the one to shoot me in the head. That given, Tony, will you.....be on a team with me? Scratch that. Can i kill you once and brag about it forever? LOL aint that the truth yes hes killed me a million times but hey I'll get him one day I think the only chance we have to get him is if we snipe him while he is not looking. but good luck, and happy hunting. I'm lulling him into a sense of false security with my woe full aim and movement skills XD As am i, friend. As am i... Just noticed mate as well as dieing alot to tony we also got the last same char name SPOOKY !
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2012.09.17 19:50:00 - [102] - Quote fenrir storm wrote: Just noticed mate as well as dieing alot to tony we also got the last same char name SPOOKY ! Woooh, didn't even see that till now. Maybe we are lost brothers or something? Separated at birth, and yet both became mercenaries united in one goal: Dying at tony's hands.....
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.17 19:52:00 - [103] - Quote Rayan Storm wrote: fenrir storm wrote: Just noticed mate as well as dieing alot to tony we also got the last same char name SPOOKY ! Woooh, didn't even see that till now. Maybe we are lost brothers or something? Separated at birth, and yet both became mercenaries united in one goal: Dying at tony's hands..... LOL the storm brothers dedicated to upping T C's kd ratio
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2012.09.17 20:03:00 - [104] - Quote Haha, yes! I actually added tony into my contacts list so i can get at least one good game with him. If you would grant me the honor, could i add you also?
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.17 20:12:00 - [105] - Quote Rayan Storm wrote: Haha, yes! I actually added tony into my contacts list so i can get at least one good game with him. If you would grant me the honor, could i add you also? Sure mate but my mics broke so all I can do is listen, untill the missus treats me to a new headset .
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2012.09.17 20:42:00 - [106] - Quote Haha, i myself am so broke i cant even buy one for myself. Silence united!


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