CCP hotfixed it in about a week ago. :D

Gonna say last week I think it occured. They changed it because they wanted modules to play a larger role then the suits. So main suit differences now are pg/CPU and slots

Ah fair enuf. Maybe a price decrease then?

Is this recent or have I not been paying attention? They all seem to have the same shield/armor. No matter what tier it is.

Ah fair enuf. Maybe a price decrease then?

mhm i hate it im hoping this is temporary........... i will turn into the hulk if i hear its permanent lol

mhm i hate it im hoping this is temporary........... i will turn into the hulk if i hear its permanent lol

Then you will be suicide ganked while afk, just sayin

Last Friday. When I spent 1.7 mil SP getting advanced... Doh.
They are still superior although not nearly so much. I basically get 5% damage over a type 2 suit. And I cost a lot more.

umm what??? lol

it's not a nerf, this is the design they have choosen

Maybe I'll regret it someday, but dumping all those suit points into passive skills instead is working out just fine. I love killing expensive people with my free gear, but I am starting to wonder what I'm going to spend all this ISK on. (Time to go tank it up, I guess.)

Modules are all well and good, but my passive skill guy can take out advanced and prototype suits fairly often with almost no ISK investment. CCP can't be happy about how powerful you can get without spending money, but I wonder if they'll give the higher level suits back any shields and armor or just nerf the free stuff. (It sounds like some of the devs want to make everything depletable but the starter fits.)

Personally, I'm fine with the suits remaining the way they were in the last build, but with the current pricing scheme.

umm what??? lol

My thought:

Prototype should equal like tech 2 cruisers
While militia should equal to a tech 1 frigate


hope that explained it well enough.

The issue here though is that it's not really a "nerf" when infact all it is a rebalancing of the structure and gameplay. I like to think it's more of a amending, and rebalance then a "nerf", but I suppose it is subjective. Nonetheless this is a welcomed hotfix in my opinion. Making people spend more ISK is always better for the balancing of the game. If you have less ISK at any given time it makes you think and balance yourself. Should you stay where you are at, or afford the ISK on gear, or skill books? Anyway.. Ha-ha.

Using that logic there's never nerfs.

Personally I'm "meh" about it, I do like how I can use militia gear and compete with people in proto gear now instead of having to get really lucky or outnumber them. Proto suits a few builds ago got ridiculous, wearing a full proto suit basically promised you a 5.0+ KDR even if you weren't good at all. Now I can compete in my noobie gear ^.^

I too have been training mostly into passive skills, weaponry at the moment. Only at 1.3 mil though, need to play more.

On the other hand... that means tanks are going to be able to squish people in proto gear just as easy as everyone else, well, almost as easily anyway. Strange to see them gimp all the suits but leave tanks the same, then gimp AV equipment at the same time. Clearly not favoring the foot soldiers this build, but I'll still remain one of them xD

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Maybe

the 5.0 KDR (greatly exaggerated) is why i like it everyone who plays has the opportunity to be good by playing a long long time or by being great at shooters. It also teaches teamwork first since u will die with lower health suits compared to proto if u dont travel in groups. idk why they ever changed it i see the whole game being ruined in one nerf thats why im praying they change it back this should not play like other shooters

After further speculation I actually like the change somewhat, I think it's still weak sauce because vehicles are going to be able to easily kill people with expensive fits but w/e, hopefully more people group up and use teamwork.. been seeing a lot of it lately which is promising. More teamwork from randoms than I would expect.

I'm fine with the way they are now, from my experience in playing the last couple of hours (hardly got to play this build so far).

The opinions between us clearly are different though. I think that to be good at a shooter you have to learn from your mistakes, get better at aiming, predicting enemy movements, flanking, sticking with the team. Basically being and doing good should rely more on your own skill than the game holding your hand because you have enough SP to afford super suits. I'm really enjoying infantry engagements more than I ever did in the previous builds.

If that's your opinion then that's OK, I'm just letting the developers know which one I prefer. Giving feedback.

Because of prototype suits I feel a lot of the gunfights devolved into strafing contests, less about skill and tactics and more about moving your left analog stick in random movements and counteracting it with your right analog stick. Not very skill based or involving much strategy IMO. Now that people die faster more thought is put into things, at least for me and it seems to be paying off.

Loving the change now.

Note that that's just from infantry vs infantry point of view for now, I haven't had the chance to train into AV stuff yet.

You know what the problem is when it comes to infantry and vehicles. The problem is you decide to get into it's r@p3 radius, and think it's A-okay to just stand that close while shooting at it. I'm not trying to argue whether or not vehicles (HAV - Heavy Attack Vehicles especially) are over powered or not. No, I just find that when it comes to players and vehicles; players more often then not decide that is the best time to go, John Rambo, and take the vehicle head on. The point of the forge gun, and swarm launcher is the ability to stand a distance away, and still make those kill shots. I'm just sayin' if you think about it taking a vehicle head on is going to get you killed. Heavy or not. Take a proper position with cover and advantage and then take your shot.