I think tanks are fine(ish), it's primarily the AV weapons that need to be looked into in my opinion.

I often get dud av grenades and remedial swarm launcher missiles (that just lay on the ground or fly into walls or hills on the initial spread), the forge gun also needs (at least some of) its range back.

Having said the above, I do believe that there needs to be some sort of ammo count for tanks. Infantry have an ammo count for everything, so why shouldn't tanks?

AV weaps don't really need neither a nerf (any longer) or a buff. It needs a bug fix. The duds and grenades that just fails to do anything are a problem, once solved it'll essentially increase nades effective damage by 20% or more :P

I've been a tank driver for a week now, have over 600 kills and only like 70 something deaths.... on a new character using only militia grade tanks... YES THEY ARE OP

I've not read the 3 pages of whines but the first page was enough to warrant a post.

Tanks aren't OP, it's not my fault that nobody can be arsed to spec into AV. I've been playing day in, day out and a lot of these people here whining don't even have any decent AV or obviously don't get the idea of teamwork.

I'd bet my hat that most of you guys are the same ones running at me shooting a rifle....

The fact is that NO ONE, at least on the EU server even has Proto AV!!. Unless you do you have zero reason to whine at all.

So to all the people whining that tanks are invincible, I say to you this. Put your points into countering my skillpoints instead of getting your epeen inducing rifles that one shot 90% of infantry.

I've got 13 million SP totally invested into vehicles. As far as I'm concerned they should even remove miltita swarms. Nobody has the right to even hurt my tank without speccing into something if you ask me. My tank costs 2mill isk and can be damaged for free.... makes total sense. I'd love to see the rage in eve if you could take a titan out with the newbie ship.

Before any of you get on your high horse about how I'm **** outside a tank, I'm pretty confident I'd have you with milita gear tbh.

One change I'd like to see with AV grenades is reducing their damage against LAVs, or possible just making the LAVs stand up to a little more damage. As it is you need near perfect skills to make even a standard LAV survive even a single hit. There's no point at all in customizing a militia LAV, since any swarm or AV nade that hits you will kill you. Even a methana won't survive a single hit if you don't have the best armor hardeners with the best damage control and the best 60mm armor plate you can buy.

The problem with speccing into av is it barely yeilds better results.

and the milita argument is rather lame I can kill the most prototyped outfitted suits with the milita scrambler.

"I've seen plenty of super tanks retreat in the face of my swarm launcher that probably couldn't kill them even if they held perfectly still and didn't shoot back."

If their repair module has entered its cooldown cycle then yes, your swarm launcher can kill them. Try driving a tank and you'll see what I mean. If a tank starts taking enough damage that he needs to use his repair module, then he either has to destroy all remaining threats before the repair cycle is done or get out of dodge. This is why Tronhadar killed so many tanks last weekend. We had one squad bait tanks into staying out of cover until our AV guys could get into place. Once we saw the repair cycle finish we had like 4 guys start laying into him with low level swarms. Without that strong repair mod to fall back on his armor just melted away. He had time to drive maybe 10 meters before he popped.

If you go pure buffer then you can't repair at all. Even one of the higher level repair guns would take ages to repair a full buffer fit tank. So once you get down to half armor you're effectively out of the game, because you have to go hide somewhere in the red zone. I can't imagine that the guys who drive tanks like that are abandoning them somewhere and playing through the rest of the match, because someone else is going to say, "Oooh! A tank!" and get it blown up.

Also, a pure buffer fit tank doesn't stand a chance against another tank. The ability of the repairer to provide a burst of invulnerability is critical to fighting another tank.

If tanks are so OP why isnt EVERY SINGLE PERSON using them?

yeah because it sounds like your the expert on DUST514 subject matter, captain obvious

so youre saying everyone who doesnt like a tank MUST fit AV and spec it out proto and gang up on you? hah

CHALLENGE UPDATE

it's now been a couple of days..

- i've still yet to lose a sagaris to anything. at all.

- my KDR upon taking up this challenge was a respectable 4.5. it is now fast approaching 6. (and i don't even full time the tank.)

- my wallet upon taking up this challenge was 2 million, it is now just over 10 million.

these are facts, fight over what they mean however you will.