The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

Here's hoping we see a MUCH more passive skilling system at release, much more like EVE.

The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

I really do hope not, the one thing I hate about Eve is that nothing you do affects your character outside of purchasing items for isk, so the people who joined first are the uber leet and everyone else has 0 chance of catching up. That's just the rich stay the rich and everyone else can suck it.

The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

That isn't even close to accurate. You may have 150m SP, but only 25m (arbitrary number) apply with any given ship and fit at a maximum. As in Eve you can skill to spec in something and be just as effective at that role as someone years older. The difference is a combination of battlefield/situational experience and teamwork combined with leadership.
To say that nothing affects your character outside of buying things for ISK , or that a new player cannot match a vet (within game mechanics) kinda pegs you for someone that doesn't understand what this and that game have to offer in the way of tools and potential. New players often put a beat down on "vets" with 1/10th the SP, as well as extract billions in ISK from players 6 yrs their senior in game time.

you mean back when we played ultima online? Or are you talking about muds? becuase those both had points and levels and rpg elements.

The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

It's not even worth counting though, it's so minor.

Also, OP said DUST is against mediocre players?

Um....tanks?

You kind of just made my point, battles in eve are situational, and a character that has more ships maxed out can adjust to the situations a lot easier then a character who is only speced into one role. People who have been on eve longer have more skill points to place into their characters, nothing a new player does can close that skill point gap, therefor people with more time in eve have an advantage. It's kind of an accountants game. Keep a good schedule and have good math skills and your character will be the best it can be in game. Then it all comes down to your in battle strategy. However I don't like this mechanic. I think people who do well should be rewarded well, and not just with isk. The people who are the best skilled at a game should have the uber characters, not the oldest. That goes doubly for an fps.

Skilled players will always find a way to overcome that disadvantage but to pretend it's not there because there is a max skill point for certain ships?

Let's imagine they implement a similar time based leveling system into dust. Your on the battle field and a relatively new player speced into Max level HAV drops on the field. He is the perfect HAV pilot but he is playing against a beta corp. Every player on the other side is speced into max HAV, AV, Assault, blah blah blah. It's no problem for the beta team to stop by a supply depot and have four or six players to switch to proto AV and completely make that one character, no matter how good he is useless for the rest of the battle. He can switch to militia Assault gear but then they AV guys can just switch to proto Assault and he's outnumbered with a disadvantage. Now let's say he overcomes that disadvantage somehow and wins a 4 on one militia vs proto duke fest. Truly an uber player!, here is some isk, maybe you can use it to buy a new tank. Blah. No, he is uber and should be on the fast track to proto gear. My opinion. The best in the game should have the uber sp chars, they earned it. Not because they were first, but because they were better.

heh 6 hours, no way in hell would that be possible with the current mechanics.

Teamwork. You are missing it. A new group of players specced into well supporting roles with few skillpoints can easily handle these "insurmountable elite" you seem to despise.
That tank driver backed up by a few specced Assault guys and a few logi can easily handle the combinations those multi specced guys throw at them because both sides have a well rounded setup out at all times that has every role of it specced well.

Get a team, work together, spec for a role, support each other and you'll be successful.
My eve character is not that highly skilled (20mill sp) but I have often gone into a fight with maybe five corpmates and killed 8 man gangs or similar size gangs of most likely higher sp.
Smart fittings and good roles win the day. You are definitely rewarded for play time regardless of active sp because that play time is what gives you the knowledge of what works in what situation. How to best deal with shotgun kittens. The skill at killing LAVs with AV grenades from behind crazy obstacles. The field presence to know where best to be as Logi and when you can revive someone or when you'll just be a second body.

Get into a group plan your builds out together to cover all the roles needed and work together. A squad of 4 can easily handle any group that comes at them. A logi an Assault a forge heavy and a wild card with the AV nades on two of those people and AP weapons on all but the heavy and you have a well rounded squad that can handle pretty much any situation they run into.

Again skilled players will always overcome the disadvantage. And lets keep track of the definitions of a player and a character. A player being the living, breathing, skilled, strategizing person, and a character being the skill point bucket avatar in game. In my opinion, skilled, dedicated players or teams thereof, should be the players with the best characters. Best character being determined by skill point total. Is there anything else measure a character by? I do not believe that the first players to join a game, no matter how terrible they are at it, should be rewarded with the highest sp characters in said game for no other reason then they were first.

I don't believe there are "insurmountable elite". I never even used that phrase. Perhapse you are confused by my use of the term Uber which is German for "Above" or "Greater". I don't think there are "insurmountable elite". I simply don't believe there should be a reward for being the first in a game. It's silly to me. This is not a race, it is a contest of skill. Reward the skilled, not the first.