The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

Here's hoping we see a MUCH more passive skilling system at release, much more like EVE.

The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

you do get SP passively from not playing.

It's not even worth counting though, it's so minor.

Also, OP said DUST is against mediocre players?

Um....tanks?

heh 6 hours, no way in hell would that be possible with the current mechanics.

I think we'll see a serious nerf on SP gains from battles come launch.. But as far as the OP goes, you do get SP passively from not playing.

Not true at all, start a new character, dump all your SP into your chose suit, pick out and fit a militia tank and run around for 6 hours, you'll have it.

You'll notice that there was a post a few days back talking about a Passive Booster item showing up on Singularity temporarily, which would show that they're trying to offer options for people that don't play as often. There should in no way be a nerf to active SP gain, as it is already greatly reduced from the previous build with the removal of the 400% boost. The fact is that Dust isn't EVE. This is an FPS, and if you make it so that players receive no points toward progression from battles, than there's no point in playing the game at all.

You'll notice that there was a post a few days back talking about a Passive Booster item showing up on Singularity temporarily, which would show that they're trying to offer options for people that don't play as often. There should in no way be a nerf to active SP gain, as it is already greatly reduced from the previous build with the removal of the 400% boost. The fact is that Dust isn't EVE. This is an FPS, and if you make it so that players receive no points toward progression from battles, than there's no point in playing the game at all.

I remember back when people used to play games because they were fun. We got no points or levels or achievements for it, we just played for fun.

The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

Quite the opposite actually, it means there's always going to be a carrot for people to work towards and i know people keep bleating on like sheep about this being a FPS but CCP tend to cater to a niche audience, even if it is a FPS, its never going to be a mainstream FPS.

I think that only real way to rectify this is to not allow any vehicles into ambush.

In skirmish,like others have said,there are more tasks that can be done besides killing people,but the COD type of players can't really understand that.

To a point,I understand where you are coming from,but on the other hand,plain and simple,maybe this game just isn't for you,and honestly,it's not going to be for a lot of people for the exact same reasons.

The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

I would point out that there is diminishing returns on playing a lot of games, once you earned a certain amount of SP you start getting games where you'll only earn 15k sp or so with booster.

The game certainly rewards being good, I can't see that changing and I wouldn't want it too.

The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

Hi. I'm a guy who doesn't play FPS games all day every day - in fact, I'm not a particularly hardcode gamer, and my FPS experience is limited to the odd game of Quake 3 with my colleagues (at least one of whom is also in the DUST beta, incidentally).

I'd definitely class myself as a "weak" player, but even in the couple of weeks I've been in the beta I've been getting better - by which I mean my kill/death ratio is slowly becoming less negative, and occasionally peaks into positive territory. I can certainly get kills - maybe just one or two per match, but usually a handful of assists as well. It's not just about how many skillpoints you have, but it's also about the skill of the guy behind the computer

And remember, as in EVE, there comes a point when you've trained all the relevant skills to 5 and you simply can't improve the performance of a given fit - it's that ceiling which means new players *can* catch up.

The leet get leeter and the weak stay weak. You get no points for participation. This game has 0 appeal for the guy who doesn't play fps games all day every day, and that's the bottom line. You can't get sp because you can't get kills, and you can't get kills because you can't get sp. Call me a noob all you want, you know what I just said is true. Ccp has no desire to keep a mediocre player in dust 514.

Maybe its that -we- the players don't want any mediocre players in our game.
/sarcasm

Right now, the only way to play the game is in a pretty random mashup that will lead you to playing against the best of the best even with the matchmaking system, so its incredibly unforgiving. That being said, there'll be lots of ways to fight and places to fight as we get further along, and I think you'll start seeing new players succeed at a better rate than we have right now.