Not sure how you make a tank more difficult to drive. So dunno about that

But I love the second idea, its the perfect solution. Though a good tank manned by 2 will be even more epic.

Ya hes right right now the driver is handicapped by the fact he needs to control both main gun and steering wheel . U cant watch the road and shoot a gun at the same time its like texting and driving some can fake it well but noone is actually performing the task.

Uyour opening scared me a bit thought u were ganna say dumb down the dropship controls so more people can fly them that be a bad idea as the new physics make the dropship more survivable

...I bet it would have the effect of making people less likely to field HAVs.

We have all read about, and encountered first hand the rise in usage of tanks following the reduction of damage against them, but I have only seen solutions about balancing the damage and little else in the way of possible solutions. I will offer my two-penneth for what it is worth.

In the latest batch of changes, we saw the controls of dropships change and the difficult level of piloting them increase. This has led to a reduction in the number of users of dropships in the battles I have been in, as casual dropship users find the controls harder than before and do not want to spend time learning how to fly them properly.

This has led the the better pilots doing what they do best.

My suggestion for resolving the tank-fest is to make the controls more difficult to master. In particular I believe you should not be able to drive a tank and fire at the same time. You should be either a driver or a gunner, and will also make tank owners less inclined to live in their tanks if they only get assist points.

This allows squads to use tanks more realistically, and more likely to share 1 tank rather than 1 each if they cannot drive and fire.

I welcome your comments - anything we can come up with which has a logical reason for change must be good for the game, and as beta testers we have a perfect opportunity to help shape the game for everyone's benefit.

I don't know why I have to keep saying this, but eWar is coming. Not to mention any number of other weapons and tools. Everything you know about the game's current balance is meaningless. Proposing that one thing be nerfed or another be buffed is a useless exercise at this stage, because a new feature is going to come in and change everything.

I don't know why I have to keep saying this, but eWar is coming. Not to mention any number of other weapons and tools. Everything you know about the game's current balance is meaningless. Proposing that one thing be nerfed or another be buffed is a useless exercise at this stage, because a new feature is going to come in and change everything.

Paying millions of ISK and skill points for a vehicle that you call in and then use as a taxi to ferry around other people so that they can shoot guys with the tank's guns sounds like the least fun thing in the world. Planetside 1 did tanks this way. It sucked immensely. Nobody likes footing the bill for a vehicle and then never having any fun in it.

There are better solutions to tanks that don't require such a fundamental shift, I think.

Thanks Five, do you have any ideas to add to the mix? I was hoping to shift the tanks emphasis to a support role, playing for the squad as much as for yourself.

A compromise is if you are driving and want to shoot, you should switch to a position which only the driver can get to (rendering your tank immobile while you fire) - what do you think? Best of both worlds?

terrible idea.

tanks shoot while moving in rl too

might be getting what your asking for tho with artillery....but no ones gonna like that lol

One of the game changers is the stasis/web grenade that will act like flypaper for vehicles. Toss one and a tank can't run from AV infantry or te stronger OB's that are coming. Toss a fixed Flux grenade and strip the shields off in one go.

CCP can't balance everything right nw because all the pieces aren't on the board yet.

One of the game changers is the stasis/web grenade that will act like flypaper for vehicles. Toss one and a tank can't run from AV infantry or te stronger OB's that are coming. Toss a fixed Flux grenade and strip the shields off in one go.

CCP can't balance everything right nw because all the pieces aren't on the board yet.

Can you tell us what this eWar is and any links to details by any chance?

And suggesting you cant drive and shoot in a tank at the same time is not a nerf / buff suggestion, just a functional request

In real life, can a tank driver fire while driving single-handedly? I didn't realise that - if that's the case ignore this thread and accept my apologies for wasting everybody's time!

And suggesting you cant drive and shoot in a tank at the same time is not a nerf / buff suggestion, just a functional request

"There's no reason why this game should allow a high cost I win button"

When will people get it out of their heads that having a high number of kills in Dust is not "winning". Every time I'm on a team that wins there's a guy at the top of the other team's scoreboard with a very high k/d ratio. He still lost. I'd also like to know where this idea that tank drivers make tons of SP and isk comes from, because it's flat out wrong. I've been a marauder driver, dedicated assault infantry and dabbled with AV. I almost always made as much SP / isk as a foot soldier if not more. You know why? Kills are a small component of points awarded.

A tank can't capture control points. It can't revive or repair teammates. It can't drop uplinks. It can't drop nanohives. Capturing a single objective gets you the same number of points as if you killed 4 people. Combine that with points for teamwork and it has a massive boost on your payout at the end of the match. Of course, we already know most of the people whining about tanks have no idea what teamwork even means. Tronhadar had no problem at all wiping the floor with the Amarr gunnlogis and madrugars in the corp battles, even when they had 3 tanks and we had 1. We didn't kill all of them, but the ones we didn't kill had to hide in the back corner of their base.

put 2 mil into your tank and then ill tell you you cant defend yourself.

We have all read about, and encountered first hand the rise in usage of tanks following the reduction of damage against them, but I have only seen solutions about balancing the damage and little else in the way of possible solutions. I will offer my two-penneth for what it is worth.

In the latest batch of changes, we saw the controls of dropships change and the difficult level of piloting them increase. This has led to a reduction in the number of users of dropships in the battles I have been in, as casual dropship users find the controls harder than before and do not want to spend time learning how to fly them properly.

This has led the the better pilots doing what they do best.

My suggestion for resolving the tank-fest is to make the controls more difficult to master. In particular I believe you should not be able to drive a tank and fire at the same time. You should be either a driver or a gunner, and will also make tank owners less inclined to live in their tanks if they only get assist points.

This allows squads to use tanks more realistically, and more likely to share 1 tank rather than 1 each if they cannot drive and fire.

I welcome your comments - anything we can come up with which has a logical reason for change must be good for the game, and as beta testers we have a perfect opportunity to help shape the game for everyone's benefit.

I personally have nothing against tanks or their drivers, but, for the sake of (hopefully) making peace between the pro-tank and anti-tank factions, I have an idea: Make the tank's missile supplies finite.
There could be a type of Nanohive module that works in a similar manner to shield and armor reps - once activated, it slowly replenishes the missiles. But the module can only be activated a few times. After that, the tanks either needs to find a regular Nanohive or a supply depot, just like everyone else.
This idea could be applied to every vehicle capable of equiping missile launchers.

YES.
I can't properly express my happiness at seeing both of these wonderful ideas in the same thread.
This is the solution, ladies and gentlemen: Separate driving and gunning into two positions, and give all vehicles a finite supply of ammunition. All the vehicle whine will disappear overnight.

terrible idea.

tanks shoot while moving in rl too

might be getting what your asking for tho with artillery....but no ones gonna like that lol

I personally have nothing against tanks or their drivers, but, for the sake of (hopefully) making peace between the pro-tank and anti-tank factions, I have an idea: Make the tank's missile supplies finite.
There could be a type of Nanohive module that works in a similar manner to shield and armor reps - once activated, it slowly replenishes the missiles. But the module can only be activated a few times. After that, the tanks either needs to find a regular Nanohive or a supply depot, just like everyone else.
This idea could be applied to every vehicle capable of equiping missile launchers.