DUST Search - 3rd Sept 2012 IRC postings, updated answered questions.

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Normalized suit HP vs Modules vs Skills
'We're talking about reducing direct damage bonsues on weapons now that suits are lower hp this will hopefully make modules more prevaltant, however this is only being discussed atm.'

AV and Suit Hotfix Feedback
'Taking a look into now'

*CCP nothin goes back to work whipping the hamsters back into shape.
Possible hinted other ccp people will be on later tongiht.

k, kinda confused what he means on reducing direct damage bonuses on weapons? weapons gettin lower dmg?

also good to see hes looking into the feedback thread i made on the hotfix. i for one support the suit nerf as it doesnt give such a huge advantage like before but still a decent advantage so newbies can still compete cuz like i said even with the current prices once EVE players can transfer ISK to DUST mercs then those 140K-225K ISK proto suits are chump change and ppl will be able to fund them indefinitely permanently givng the rich a huge advantage rather than a reasonable one

Once prices are lowered on the gear should be all good so its more about player skill than gear

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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 05:21:00 - [1] - Quote Against my better judgement I decided to transcribe this nights session. Please don't go attacking me, the irc or devs or these will stop either from dev end or my end. I present this information for the sake of those who cannot log into IRC or spend the time to stay up the same hours as I do. I am also gathering questions to ask for next time one pops in so feel free to leave em. Remember keep em short and simple IRC cant handel entire paragraphs, if your question is better answered ina forum post make the new thread then point it here. Also one of these here came from twitter. CCP nothin dropped in to say hi and give us updates. Unlike previous session with CCP Wolfman, CCP nothin is more of a backgrond person so some questions are answered very differently and some questions where better off waiting for ccp wolfman or CCP Command Wang instead. As stated previously before and due to the very informal nature of the IRC channel all things here are summarized and are not direct quotes. Do not hold the developer accountable for anything not being true everything stated is subject to change and everything here is possible magic crystal ball fuel if anything skin me first. Previous postings can be found here look here first before posting your question I may have missed your due to the last one being burned up a bit. Also focus on the topics discussed below, IRC channel and other communciation issues can be discussed here This session was about 3 minutes long. Battleservers crashing ALOT 'Memory Leak, we are trying to plug them but its been difficult but we're on it.' Invalid fits 'Please help us here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=286191#post286191' Normalized suit HP vs Modules vs Skills 'We're talking about reducing direct damage bonsues provided by skills on weapons now that suits are lower hp this will hopefully make modules more prevaltant, however this is only being discussed atm.' Infantry Mobility on maps. 'Things are changing alot here with both maps and infantry it will be difficult to give a clear answer now.' ISK and SP Rewards 'More refinements being made, such as taking into account time on the field, and awarding despite disconnects expect this next build." Compare Market Tool 'Being discussed and a desired feature.' Preview Market items 'Being implimented should make it in next build, possibly, waiting finalization and polish' Mapping Controllers of all kinds 'Ask CCP wolfman' Ghost Battles 'Poking around to see if this is a problem' AV and Suit Hotfix Feedback 'Taking a look into now' Isk Rewards at end of match 'Going to be further elaborated next build also if you disconnect youll be rewarded for what efforts made during the fight' CCP nothin goes back to work whipping the hamsters back into shape. Possible hinted other ccp people will be on later tongiht. 2 hours later CCP nothin returns 'We took a hammer to the us battle severs, they are better behaved now.' Late Day update CCP Nullboar showed up and gave a quick update Corp battles causing crashes?* 'No it was a myraid of other things causing them we're working on it' CCP Nullboar then left. UPDATE The 18 questions gathered for the next IRC session was answered here
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.09.03 05:26:00 - [2] - Quote Thanks! Good to know.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 360	Posted - 2012.09.03 05:30:00 - [3] - Quote looks about right, thank you for transcribing.
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.09.03 05:37:00 - [4] - Quote I love this info. I'll have to start formulating questions for you guys. Wait, I do have one... - In the future, will skills like 'Gallente dropsuits' give bonuses when you use a galente dropsuit like it would in eve? - Are there plans to show us racial varients to weapons/dropsuits. (IE Minmatar Forge Gun, Amarr Forge gun, etc... and of course minmatar scouts) - Will there be a character history screen and will it allow us to show our characters as starting in Aug of 2012 or before? - Will we be able to test new game modes before release? - Will Caldari continue to dominate start screens like they do in Eve? Edit: I don't know how to count.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.09.03 05:40:00 - [5] - Quote Thanks for posting
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.03 06:00:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Normalized suit HP vs Modules vs Skills 'We're talking about reducing direct damage bonsues on weapons now that suits are lower hp this will hopefully make modules more prevaltant, however this is only being discussed atm.' AV and Suit Hotfix Feedback 'Taking a look into now' *CCP nothin goes back to work whipping the hamsters back into shape. Possible hinted other ccp people will be on later tongiht. k, kinda confused what he means on reducing direct damage bonuses on weapons? weapons gettin lower dmg? also good to see hes looking into the feedback thread i made on the hotfix. i for one support the suit nerf as it doesnt give such a huge advantage like before but still a decent advantage so newbies can still compete cuz like i said even with the current prices once EVE players can transfer ISK to DUST mercs then those 140K-225K ISK proto suits are chump change and ppl will be able to fund them indefinitely permanently givng the rich a huge advantage rather than a reasonable one Once prices are lowered on the gear should be all good so its more about player skill than gear
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 06:04:00 - [7] - Quote From what I understand is they're going to nerf how much skills effect weapon damage. Ill edit it now clarity.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 360	Posted - 2012.09.03 06:54:00 - [8] - Quote I am not a dev, but some of these questions have been answered by devs in the past and I would like to address them from the information in my notes - In the future, will skills like 'Gallente dropsuits' give bonuses when you use a galente dropsuit like it would in eve? Yes - Are there plans to show us racial varients to weapons/dropsuits. (IE Minmatar Forge Gun, Amarr Forge gun, etc... and of course minmatar scouts) Yes - Will there be a character history screen and will it allow us to show our characters as starting in Aug of 2012 or before? Yes, though the creation date may be reset to launch, this has not been confirmed - Will we be able to test new game modes before release? maybe - Will Caldari continue to dominate start screens like they do in Eve? it depends on the release
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:32:00 - [9] - Quote I have five questions: When will there be laser weapons and turrets?? What about lasers?? When will lasers be an option?? And this next question will be about, wait for it, ahh! did you guess LASERS?? Will we get laser defense turrets/installations?? When will my HAV shoot a cool laser pulse?? like in the story The Israeli - Texas war of 1999??
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 360	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:48:00 - [10] - Quote lasers are coming soon(tm)

Lazarus Solo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 66	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:54:00 - [11] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Normalized suit HP vs Modules vs Skills 'We're talking about reducing direct damage bonsues on weapons now that suits are lower hp this will hopefully make modules more prevaltant, however this is only being discussed atm.' AV and Suit Hotfix Feedback 'Taking a look into now' *CCP nothin goes back to work whipping the hamsters back into shape. Possible hinted other ccp people will be on later tongiht. k, kinda confused what he means on reducing direct damage bonuses on weapons? weapons gettin lower dmg? also good to see hes looking into the feedback thread i made on the hotfix. i for one support the suit nerf as it doesnt give such a huge advantage like before but still a decent advantage so newbies can still compete cuz like i said even with the current prices once EVE players can transfer ISK to DUST mercs then those 140K-225K ISK proto suits are chump change and ppl will be able to fund them indefinitely permanently givng the rich a huge advantage rather than a reasonable one Once prices are lowered on the gear should be all good so its more about player skill than gear I think he's talking about the Weaponry skill and similar, that gives a 3% damage bonus to handheld weapons.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.09.03 09:02:00 - [12] - Quote Why not just remove damage bonuses from in-game skills like I/we suggested here. There are 23 pages of good options/opinions, for both sides, there. Still no gameplay improvements discussed. Less emphasis on stats is the right thing to do but even if bonuses from skills gets removed like I wanted it won't save Dust 514 for disappointing as a FPS.
Burger Helper 84	Posted - 2012.09.03 09:37:00 - [13] - Quote thanks for the transcription it'd be nice if the devs officially did stuff on the forums like this though
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.03 09:37:00 - [14] - Quote My question is: Are they going to refine the shooting mechanics? Currently, they are vastly inferior to the competition.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.09.03 09:42:00 - [15] - Quote ^^^ Someone should really ask that on the IRC, we asked here but CCP never answered. It's the mother of all questions IMO. Though if CCP says "NO" I foresee a massive "abandon ship"
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.03 09:52:00 - [16] - Quote Yup. Just read around on any gaming forum and the general consensus is: Meh, the shooting mechanics are poor. If they can't refine the gun play they might as well not bother.
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.03 09:54:00 - [17] - Quote Oh, and is there an option to turn off that awful "BOOOWWWNNN...BOOWN BOOOWN...." music when you are being shot at. It's bloody hideous.
Patches The Hyena 204	Posted - 2012.09.03 10:33:00 - [18] - Quote Thanks for posting this. Hopefully I can get in the IRC
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.03 10:48:00 - [19] - Quote Well thanks 4 the post. If this is all we got (IRC) well will just have to accept it.
Sardonk Eternia Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc. 67	Posted - 2012.09.03 11:22:00 - [20] - Quote Beast Beastlington wrote: Oh, and is there an option to turn off that awful "BOOOWWWNNN...BOOWN BOOOWN...." music when you are being shot at. It's bloody hideous. that option has been in since 3 builds ago

fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.03 11:57:00 - [21] - Quote Templar Two wrote: ^^^ Someone should really ask that on the IRC, we asked here but CCP never answered. It's the mother of all questions IMO. Though if CCP says "NO" I foresee a massive "abandon ship" No mate ccp should do like every other developer and inform all on the forum as well as the IRC , it's getting beyond a joke now that the very forums they set up for all this feed back and information they are chooseing to ignore, and other players are having to take time to post it here for them. I'm sorry but they are busy is a very poor excuse also is having to clear what they can say amongst others, just give some one the power to do it . Never been in a beta (and I've been in a few ) where the developer chooses not to inform it's testers on the forum first and other means second. Getting to the stage now why I don't even bother posting and wasteing my busy time.
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.03 12:08:00 - [22] - Quote I'd also like to know if there'll be any "battlechat" ala MAG or Battlefield. Stuff like "They got me pinned down over here!" in BF3. In MAG you would hear soldiers in need of reviving calling out...etc. It was also very , very clear on the HUD who needed healing, what needed repairing and what had been captured. I feel it adds to the atmosphere. Right now, Dust feels so lifeless and empty. While I'm here, I'd love if someone could ask if we'll be getting a better ADS view. Really dislike the way looks currently. The more I think about it, the more I realize MAG was WAY ahead of it's time.
KingBlade82 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2012.09.03 12:12:00 - [23] - Quote Is someone at CCP atleast agreeing with my opinion in ur old topic? that it should play more MMORPG style and the skills r important to the growth of the game over time and not a play for a few hours than move onto new call of duty etc. i really stand firm on the opinion the skills make this game and so will the connection as soon as we see how they react god players will always be god players. Skill bonuses will help out not as skilled players if they play over time they will see huge improvement in games
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.09.03 12:15:00 - [24] - Quote I requested a true ADS like in any FPS. Guess what happened?
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.03 12:23:00 - [25] - Quote You can have all the skills, stats and perks in the Universe but if the satisfaction of getting a kill is not present this game will die within a few months. Like it or hate it, Call of Duty is a massively popular franchise for a reason. The gun play and "kill satisfaction" aspects are absolutely nailed to the wall. Yes, it's filled to the brim with lots of garbage like killstreaks and annoying perks but you cannot deny the gun mechanics are top dog. I truly hope CCP are listening/working on this because I want Dust to be my go to game.
KingBlade82 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2012.09.03 12:26:00 - [26] - Quote Templar Two wrote: I requested a true ADS like in any FPS. Guess what happened? ADS? aim down sights? i dont agree with it atleast short range like u have to do in popular shooters but long range/long medium i have to do it with my AR atleast since i have crappy reduce recoil effect. Last build i maxed it so i feel sooo bad at shooting i also hate the scope with a passion but they should have people with different opinions hopefully
KingBlade82 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2012.09.03 12:31:00 - [27] - Quote Beast Beastlington wrote: You can have all the skills, stats and perks in the Universe but if the satisfaction of getting a kill is not present this game will die within a few months. Like it or hate it, Call of Duty is a massively popular franchise for a reason. The gun play and "kill satisfaction" aspects are absolutely nailed to the wall. Yes, it's filled to the brim with lots of garbage like killstreaks and annoying perks but you cannot deny the gun mechanics are top dog. I truly hope CCP are listening/working on this because I want Dust to be my go to game. killstreaks make that game even though i rarely get one i only get cool ones from care packages lol and quick scope sniper rifles r cheap and not needed since maps r sooo tiny ive been a COD fan ever since i played MW2 it does play well but i see more of a BF3 or MAG with this
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.09.03 13:02:00 - [28] - Quote I was talking bout ADS as "I can see my sight "instead then this cheap "the camera just zoomed" system. FPS do this while Dust does this. P.S. As for the utility of ADS in KZ 3 there is a ribbon for getting 15 kill aiming from the hip: I got it 23 times and I have 10k+ kills. This because in FPS Aiming down the sights (ADS) reduce recoil and makes you more accurate then firming from the hip. EDITED with better links.
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.03 13:05:00 - [29] - Quote Templar Two wrote: I was talking bout ADS as "I can see my sight "instead then this cheap "the camera just zoomed" system. FPS do this while Dust does this P.S. As for the utility of ADS in KZ 3 there is a ribbon for getting 15 kill aiming from the hip: I got it 23 times and I have 10k+ kills. This because in FPS Aiming down the sights (ADS) reduce recoil and makes you more accurate then firming from the hip. Absolutely agree. It's a hideous view.
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.03 13:06:00 - [30] - Quote KingBlade82 wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: You can have all the skills, stats and perks in the Universe but if the satisfaction of getting a kill is not present this game will die within a few months. Like it or hate it, Call of Duty is a massively popular franchise for a reason. The gun play and "kill satisfaction" aspects are absolutely nailed to the wall. Yes, it's filled to the brim with lots of garbage like killstreaks and annoying perks but you cannot deny the gun mechanics are top dog. I truly hope CCP are listening/working on this because I want Dust to be my go to game. killstreaks make that game even though i rarely get one i only get cool ones from care packages lol and quick scope sniper rifles r cheap and not needed since maps r sooo tiny ive been a COD fan ever since i played MW2 it does play well but i see more of a BF3 or MAG with this Nah, the killstreaks don't make it. If it didn't have a gun mechanics it has you can bet your bottom dollar the servers would be empty.



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