You guys are trying to kill well-fit and skilled tanks with militia AV weapons solo. There are 3 people in a tank and 2-3 million SP. Don't take your solo ass and zero SP invested in AV and cry that you don't stand a chance. If you man up and get some real AV weaponry you can do it!

Exactly. Militia gear works wonders against the free LAV. If you want to take out an expensive and well equipped drop ship or tank, then you need someone specced into AV, with good gear. Good AV takes out expensive vehicles, militia gear does not.

No, you should still be able to take down a tank with militia fitting and alone if you are actually given the chance to do so. If tank doesn't get severely damage from 5 militia swarm launcher shots they are overpowered without question.

The Cost or the required amount of SP doesn't effect this one bit. The game shouldn't be GRIND TO WIN nor PAY TO WIN. Prototype gear should be better than militia gear, sure but making it nearly invulnerable against standard fits is just plain silly.

Tanks should be means to support the infantry and not act as nearly invulnerable fast moving fortresses of death.
They should still require infantry support on taking down enemy AV threads if unable to do so on their own.

No, you should still be able to take down a tank with militia fitting and alone if you are actually given the chance to do so. If tank doesn't get severely damage from 5 militia swarm launcher shots they are overpowered without question.

The Cost or the required amount of SP doesn't effect this one bit. The game shouldn't be GRIND TO WIN nor PAY TO WIN. Prototype gear should be better than militia gear, sure but making it nearly invulnerable against standard fits is just plain silly.

Tanks should be means to support the infantry and not act as nearly invulnerable fast moving fortresses of death.
They should still require infantry support on taking down enemy AV threads if unable to do so on their own.

No, you should still be able to take down a tank with militia fitting and alone if you are actually given the chance to do so. If tank doesn't get severely damage from 5 militia swarm launcher shots they are overpowered without question.

The Cost or the required amount of SP doesn't effect this one bit. The game shouldn't be GRIND TO WIN nor PAY TO WIN. Prototype gear should be better than militia gear, sure but making it nearly invulnerable against standard fits is just plain silly.

Tanks should be means to support the infantry and not act as nearly invulnerable fast moving fortresses of death.
They should still require infantry support on taking down enemy AV threads if unable to do so on their own.

You do realise how expensive they are right? A tank is a tank. If its expensive then it will be powerful. A high level tank should be taken down with high level gear. Seems simple.
And it costs a huge amount just to get one, so its gotta be worth its expense, otherwise what's the point of them in the first place?

The Cost or the required amount of SP doesn't effect this one bit. The game shouldn't be GRIND TO WIN nor PAY TO WIN.

Says you.

also my gunnloggi dies by 2 malitia swarms and scince it costs half a million isk i cant buy another tank for every 2 swarm luanchers i see

If this is true there seems to be some severe balance issues between tanks as well.

TBH its easier to skill into a well fitted tank than it is to skill into the AV role

We've seen this in the past few builds after resets. Tanks dominate the battlefield for a while, till infantry figures out that some SP are needed in real AV gear. After that Tanks are slaughtered wholesale and little cost risk to the AV guys.

also my gunnloggi dies by 2 malitia swarms and scince it costs half a million isk i cant buy another tank for every 2 swarm luanchers i see

I don't know who you guys group with, but the squads I run with have no trouble killing tanks with nothing but militia swarms. We're talking confirmed kills against all 7/8 hulls so far (no caldari blop sighting yet). Maybe that is setting the bar too high though.

Same. I've done solo kills with a bit of work, and we've easily taken out tanks as a group with a couple people using militia swarms and usually a bit of AV grenades.

I for sure have to agree with these 2... Although i play more as a tanker (cause im not stupid and going to **** and moan about something in the game being used by others when i can use it) I can also tell u as an avid tanker all it takes is me moving just too far into enemy lines and my tank is gone... \.

hmmm maybe I read the patch notes wrong didn't AV get a big buff this build? and it was pretty easy to kill a tank in the last build....tanks even got a little nerf to them why is everyone complaining again?

Due to these threads popping out in pretty much daily basis if not hourly, I think I am not alone with this one.

I run with a group of dedicated tank hunters. Let's take a look at the cost of my load out compared to a tanks

Prototype forge gun 118,040

Advanced heavy suit 56,000

Packed AV grenades 17,760 per 3

And misc modifiers to extend life span to get more than a couple forge shots another 10,000

201800 isk
Now that is if dont get shot by some random on my way to the tank because a machine gun in a armored up heavy is not much personal defense.

Even in a group of 4 I can't seem to get more than a few shots off before tank blows me up

So your tank costs 200,000 plus load outs not sure those costs.

Mine is 201800 tank wins

You are alone in thinking that Militia gear should in any way or form be able to solo kill a non militia tank!
No one, probably even not full proto gear should be able to kill a Marauder tank alone. If they could, tanks would die so fast, and so easily that no one would be able to field them, at all.

Throw an advanced swarm launcher on a dragonfly. Cheap and brutally effective. And despite the moaning by forge gunners, they still hit like a hammer from 200m away. I'm convinced they are ignoring the effectiveness incorporates the tank's resist modules too.

But again, I always run with a group with mics. Usually I can solo militia tanks with militia gear. If I need help I get one other guy to jump in a jeep with me to chase down the standard tanks. With militia crap, I've only seen a tank survive a sparse two rounds against us. In the case of three tanks vs just infantry, they still lost tanks. If you balance the tanks and AV against 1v1 fights you end up with useless vehicles that can't kill, or die to sneezing (see War of the Worlds).

Standard fits run costs up to the 3/4M bracket. Your suit is horribly overpriced for the way you are using it. Drop prototype to advanced, the heavy to type II (best against missile tanks) and the av grenades to standard since they are mostly for keeping LAVs away from your perch (you do have a perch for that rail right?). Now you have an appropriate fit for standard tank hunting. Save the proto gear for the beefier targets. Plus again it sounds like a "can't solo" complaint. How are you dieing to infantry if your assaults are covering you? Where is the swarm support or even second forge on the opposite side of the street?

you do know??? that the forges range got nerfed??
by the time that the tank is in range the result is I am also in range of everyone shadowing your tank.

Anywho I am joining the HAV club and skilling HAV since AV is broken.

you do know??? that the forges range got nerfed??
by the time that the tank is in range the result is I am also in range of everyone shadowing your tank.

Anywho I am joining the HAV club and skilling HAV since AV is broken.

I don't know who you guys group with, but the squads I run with have no trouble killing tanks with nothing but militia swarms. We're talking confirmed kills against all 7/8 hulls so far (no caldari blop sighting yet). Maybe that is setting the bar too high though.

And do you know that because the Forge Gun has one of the biggest effective ranges in the game that Heavy Sharpshooter is exceptionally effective at boosting said range since it's based off a percentage? GASP! How dare CCP make the skill actually useful! I guess you wont be able to just pump points into damage anymore, you'll have to properly spec into a weapon to make it effective....I'm sorry for your loss.

Also in regards to two more missiles on a Proto Swarm? 2 more missiles is a 50% increase to DPS...I'd sell my mother for a 50% increase in anything in EVE.

I'm sorry guys but as both a tank driver, and a tank hunter I've gotta say....you're being a bunch of babies about this. If I can run around in a suit that costs 0ISK and kill a tank that costs well over a million and you're having issues killing stuff in a 200k ISK suit....you're doing something wrong.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and point out that you don't run around solo in your 0ISK suit. You almost always have at least one player watching your back to help get it done. If you tried spawning in as a solo heavy with a forge you'd be singing a very different tune.

That said, level up that heavy sharpshooter skill and get those forge shots off. It's harder to use a forge gun this build, but it's just as rewarding. Pro-tip: Don't go solo. Ever.

for those crybabie here saying tanks are OP towards the infantrie> i got 2 points to say here.


1 tanks are NOT support for infantrie, its infantrie supporting tanks, also counts irl

2 i challenge you IRL with ur pittyfull assaultrifle and granades to fight me inmy tank.

Somewhat, but what does having 5 enemy tanks out against a bunch of players in militia gear, do when the enemy players are running around in proto scout suits, easily killing anyone loading out for a AV battle, because their sheild is back up to 100% before the next bullet gets to it and the 3.1 movement speed is too slow to even track them, when they close the distance.

I have not found out what level of heavy gets a chance to sport a nano hive, otherwise the chances of running out of ammo is way higher, if you haven't jacked the capactity up to 5 & capacity profiency up to level 2-3 minimum. When I am running around in an assault, before I get a chance to respawn I am throwing down nano-hives to give these fat suited heavy guys ammo, especially on the maps that don't have resupplies.

youre making it seem like its gonna be all tanks and proto on one team vs a team of militia scrubs, wich ussualy isnt the case, and in the game's finnal release defianntly wont be the case

I'm sorry guys but as both a tank driver, and a tank hunter I've gotta say....you're being a bunch of babies about this. If I can run around in a suit that costs 0ISK and kill a tank that costs well over a million and you're having issues killing stuff in a 200k ISK suit....you're doing something wrong.

This. AV is about proper tactics, not just throwing ISK against ISK. I have about 4 million SP in my tank and it costs about 500k, because i throw AUR turrets on to save ISK. It takes THREE players to properly operate.

It doesn't take much SP to fit an assault suit with a nanohive, swarm and an SMG. you don't lose a lot of functionality for the ability to switch to a swarm and **** a tank driver up. If 3 people on your team used this fit you wouldn't lose much functionality but you'd be a serious threat to my tank and at the very least you'd be able to deny me access to the objectives.

Also on certain maps, tanks aren't able to just win for the team. There are indoor objectives and I hope CCP adds more variety to the maps so perhaps some maps it'll be nearly worthless to drive a tank.

No, you should still be able to take down a tank with militia fitting and alone if you are actually given the chance to do so. If tank doesn't get severely damage from 5 militia swarm launcher shots they are overpowered without question.

The Cost or the required amount of SP doesn't effect this one bit. The game shouldn't be GRIND TO WIN nor PAY TO WIN. Prototype gear should be better than militia gear, sure but making it nearly invulnerable against standard fits is just plain silly.

Tanks should be means to support the infantry and not act as nearly invulnerable fast moving fortresses of death.
They should still require infantry support on taking down enemy AV threads if unable to do so on their own.

Tough personally I think the whole Tank gameplay in Dust is poorly Designed. They should be more like Heavy dropsuits of vechicles.

Slow moving, huge armor pool (more than they have now) and with barely any regeneration to boost up the usefulness of repair tools.




Due to these threads popping out in pretty much daily basis if not hourly, I think I am not alone with this one.

Noc stop talking about the scrub tanks we all know they eazy too kill. Its been over 40 games without loosing a tank to inf for me.
Beyone a joke now really and as for price well getting way more isk in payouts not dipped below 100k in ages and onematch got 250 k so get used to seeing tanks every game soon

we need skill to operate a tank.

Thank you, I'm always up for a good laugh, much appreciated ^_^

JESUS CHRIST, CRY SOME MORE.

Tanks are supposed to LEAD AN ASSAULT on objectives. WHY? Because they are the things that are HARDEST TO KILL.

A militia-level newbie who happened to figure out how to use the swarm launcher yesterday SHOULD NOT and CAN NOT stand a chance against a multi-million ISK HEAVY ASSAULT VEHICLE.

My problem with tanks these days is that they are basically 'win buttons' for Ambush. (More the gametype's fault than the tanks though.)

The only time I've ever seen the team with a tank lose a game of Ambush was when I had already set up a droplink in an elevated position and just happened to be respawning up there while the driver was tooling around in an open field.

When nobody is in place to shut down a tank immediately or it is really well fit and properly backed up, the other team doesn't stand a chance. Even if I can switch to AV and scare away or kill the thing, the clones lost in the process are all counting against my team while we miss out on the infantry kills I would otherwise be racking up.

None of this is much of an issue in Skirmish, where HAV drivers slaughtering militia dropsuits can't directly win the match, but it throws the whole balance of Ambush out of whack.

TL;DR - I hate tanks, but I hate Ambush much more. (At least you can blow up tanks.)

I guess it really boils down to what makes or breaks the victory:

Infantry, or tanks?