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La Gris Feu
Covenant Security Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:35:00 -
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I think somebody (edit, my notes say it was Kcobra Rod) was once telling me about a fierce battle they had won a few weeks ago. About, a match where they had noobs and no vehicles, while the other team had 3 Sagaris and dropships on the field. Even so, they defended the control points and won the match through coordinated use of launchers, grenades, and sheer determination. In summary they then said, "tanks are NOT OP, teamwork is".
I think that's mostly true and all, but teamwork v. teamwork among people with tanks and that vee needs to shift 90 degrees clockwise amirite? Though I've seen tanks go down in an instant with all hands from just a few AV grenades. And the cost of AV grenades v. the cost of a new tank and the vee shifts 90 degrees countre IMO. So I think tanks had better make up for such a cost efficient vulnerablity by being able to kill anything that moves. Though, maybe once I actually try the tanks out I'll change my mind. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:51:00 -
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Osiris Greywolf wrote:Tanks are fine now. Personally I think that the Militia should be a tad bit cheaper, but other than that, they're fine. If you ask me, the people complaining about it are the idiots. Have a problem with tanks? Then got to your nearest supply point, pick up your AV suit with some squad mates, blow the tank up, go back and change suit. Simple....except you probably don't hav a AT suit do you, and that's why you're complaining. Typical.
No, not like I spent the ENTIRE LAST BUILD chaseing tanks in a heavy suit forge gun smg combo.
Nope its this build ANTI TANK folks like me must be idiots and whiners huh??
With all due respect but have a Quafe and shut the hell up!
And wheres the icon for I am really ticked off! at your "advice"........bah!!!
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NEGA LEAVESEY
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:57:00 -
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Has anyone invested into AV as heavily as your average tank driver yet ? Its rare enough to see more than 2 AV guys once a tank enters the fray, rarer still advanced/proto launchers - Very interested in the higher tier launchers and how they compare to my scrub launcher. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.08.22 23:15:00 -
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NEGA LEAVESEY wrote:Has anyone invested into AV as heavily as your average tank driver yet ? Its rare enough to see more than 2 AV guys once a tank enters the fray, rarer still advanced/proto launchers - Very interested in the higher tier launchers and how they compare to my scrub launcher.
Two extra rockets....wheeeee!.....not really.
The targetting/pathing on the swarms is total BOHICA.
The AV grenades sometimes decide to work and sometimes decide to imitate a rock.
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BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.08.23 00:01:00 -
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I have done full proto AV, swarm ( worthless ) C4 ( now worthless ) Grenades vs tank ( good luck )
The only thing worthy that gave you a chance Forge ( now nerfed )
What's left, hmm, oh yeah get yourself a tank too. Gameplay ( super nerfed ) |
STINK PICKLE WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.08.23 00:52:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:here's another "cool story" for you, blanded dave...
typical mic conversation:
some guy #1: "have you heard of those guys that call themselves warriors?"
some guy #2: "yeah there a punch of pusies who whine to much.. they all rage quit already"
me: "yea i know..."
know what else is gai as hell about you dave? that you actually took the time to stalk my 1.24(and rising) KDR
lol what a fgt..
no bro i dont want to date you.
yea dave thats right 1.24 KDR.. this is only my second build, dave. CCP in their infinate wisdom decide it best to early invite morons like you to the beta..
I dont know dave, i was on this guys squad and i heard him speak.... He talks with a lisp and he cant shoot his way out of a wet paper sack. |
NEGA LEAVESEY
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.08.23 00:56:00 -
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BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS wrote:I have done full proto AV, swarm ( worthless ) C4 ( now worthless ) Grenades vs tank ( good luck )
The only thing worthy that gave you a chance Forge ( now nerfed )
What's left, hmm, oh yeah get yourself a tank too. Gameplay ( super nerfed )
Not what I wanted to hear regarding swarms, and I'd rather stay away from skilling towards tanks right now. IMO a swarm launcher vs a tank should go like a stealth bomber vs battleship in EVE however in that scenario its fairly easy to get under their turrets. Maybe making tank turrets move slower, like a large railgun say, that might encourage more toward skilling swarm as a viable mobile AV option. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.23 00:59:00 -
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NEGA LEAVESEY wrote:BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS wrote:I have done full proto AV, swarm ( worthless ) C4 ( now worthless ) Grenades vs tank ( good luck )
The only thing worthy that gave you a chance Forge ( now nerfed )
What's left, hmm, oh yeah get yourself a tank too. Gameplay ( super nerfed ) Not what I wanted to hear regarding swarms, and I'd rather stay away from skilling towards tanks right now. IMO a swarm launcher vs a tank should go like a stealth bomber vs battleship in EVE however in that scenario its fairly easy to get under their turrets. Maybe making tank turrets move slower, like a large railgun say, that might encourage more toward skilling swarm as a viable mobile AV option.
If you make it slower you gotta buff the armour to compensate |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:19:00 -
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Well about the AV people: invest more SP to your equipment otherwise you will get rolled over in like 1-2 weeks if you stick with militia stuff. I say this cause i just beasted with my soma on skirmish. Wiped whole squads from objectives while watching out to not getting to close to infantry (av grenades are dangerous). Well the result: militia AV weapons do a bit of damage but not enough to make me sweat. Otherwise i wouldnt be aible to go 34-0. And i think orbital strikes are a joke they have way to little damage radious. As soon i saw 2 enemy strikes incoming (yes you can see and hear them before they hit the ground) i simply drived back and evaded it without a scratch on my tank. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED
TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:27:00 -
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we actually were in game with you guys in the Bug Barge but one of our members got left behind in craptains quarters and me as the sqaud leader had to reboot after leaving battle (if one of us bugs we all reform group) |
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Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:30:00 -
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TANKS ARE INCREDIBLY OP when it costs 2m+ for a decent fit and you get 100k per game. with the EVE backing it'll prob be better but for now they are wayyyy to expensive 3 people with forge guns can blow up something worth close to 3m for around a 10th of the cost(120k for a good forge now right?) oh and when do we get to put forge guns in the large turret spot the fire faster and do more damage then the railgun.....fyi currently the logibro reviving everyone so it doesn't affect me too much :) |
NEGA LEAVESEY
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:37:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Well about the AV people: invest more SP to your equipment otherwise you will get rolled over in like 1-2 weeks if you stick with militia stuff. I say this cause i just beasted with my soma on skirmish. Wiped whole squads from objectives while watching out to not getting to close to infantry (av grenades are dangerous). Well the result: militia AV weapons do a bit of damage but not enough to make me sweat. Otherwise i wouldnt be aible to go 34-0. And i think orbital strikes are a joke they have way to little damage radious. As soon i saw 2 enemy strikes incoming (yes you can see and hear them before they hit the ground) i simply drived back and evaded it without a scratch on my tank.
If more people started with swarm (And why not, smg is awesome), or change fits as soon as they see a tank, rather than respond after multiple deaths to them, then that would do for me personally. I love the challenge of taking a vehicle down or forcing it to gtfo. |
Pent'noir
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:40:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Well about the AV people: invest more SP to your equipment otherwise you will get rolled over in like 1-2 weeks if you stick with militia stuff. I say this cause i just beasted with my soma on skirmish. Wiped whole squads from objectives while watching out to not getting to close to infantry (av grenades are dangerous). Well the result: militia AV weapons do a bit of damage but not enough to make me sweat. Otherwise i wouldnt be aible to go 34-0. And i think orbital strikes are a joke they have way to little damage radious. As soon i saw 2 enemy strikes incoming (yes you can see and hear them before they hit the ground) i simply drived back and evaded it without a scratch on my tank.
It was starting to happen in the last build where lots of ppl were training their av skills and/or vehicle skills to counter the tanks. The tanks became the greatest thing to have then ppl found their counter to it. Although now with all of the new blood, its like starting over. It will again take tanks to openly win games inorder to get ppl to invest sp into a counter. They don't know yet that without some ppl trying to counter it, a tank can clear a battlefield. I'm also hoping for some dropship pilots to come out and play because they were a nice help and could sometimes take a tank out on their own. I may end up playing around with a ds since I keep getting them as salvage. I have 40 or so of them now. |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:43:00 -
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Pent'noir wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Well about the AV people: invest more SP to your equipment otherwise you will get rolled over in like 1-2 weeks if you stick with militia stuff. I say this cause i just beasted with my soma on skirmish. Wiped whole squads from objectives while watching out to not getting to close to infantry (av grenades are dangerous). Well the result: militia AV weapons do a bit of damage but not enough to make me sweat. Otherwise i wouldnt be aible to go 34-0. And i think orbital strikes are a joke they have way to little damage radious. As soon i saw 2 enemy strikes incoming (yes you can see and hear them before they hit the ground) i simply drived back and evaded it without a scratch on my tank. It was starting to happen in the last build where lots of ppl were training their av skills and/or vehicle skills to counter the tanks. The tanks became the greatest thing to have then ppl found their counter to it. Although now with all of the new blood, its like starting over. It will again take tanks to openly win games inorder to get ppl to invest sp into a counter. They don't know yet that without some ppl trying to counter it, a tank can clear a battlefield. I'm also hoping for some dropship pilots to come out and play because they were a nice help and could sometimes take a tank out on their own. I may end up playing around with a ds since I keep getting them as salvage. I have 40 or so of them now.
since our death traps are now more expensive I believe we are taking the time to up our skills so that if we manage to stay upright we will last more then a couple militia swarm hits you shall see us soon...... |
NEGA LEAVESEY
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:50:00 -
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Thor Thunder Fist wrote:Pent'noir wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Well about the AV people: invest more SP to your equipment otherwise you will get rolled over in like 1-2 weeks if you stick with militia stuff. I say this cause i just beasted with my soma on skirmish. Wiped whole squads from objectives while watching out to not getting to close to infantry (av grenades are dangerous). Well the result: militia AV weapons do a bit of damage but not enough to make me sweat. Otherwise i wouldnt be aible to go 34-0. And i think orbital strikes are a joke they have way to little damage radious. As soon i saw 2 enemy strikes incoming (yes you can see and hear them before they hit the ground) i simply drived back and evaded it without a scratch on my tank. It was starting to happen in the last build where lots of ppl were training their av skills and/or vehicle skills to counter the tanks. The tanks became the greatest thing to have then ppl found their counter to it. Although now with all of the new blood, its like starting over. It will again take tanks to openly win games inorder to get ppl to invest sp into a counter. They don't know yet that without some ppl trying to counter it, a tank can clear a battlefield. I'm also hoping for some dropship pilots to come out and play because they were a nice help and could sometimes take a tank out on their own. I may end up playing around with a ds since I keep getting them as salvage. I have 40 or so of them now. since our death traps are now more expensive I believe we are taking the time to up our skills so that if we manage to stay upright we will last more then a couple militia swarm hits you shall see us soon......
And you sir, will see 6 of my finest missiles fly erratically towards you promptly.
Not saying they'll reach you due to derp flight path but hey, here's trying |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
79
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:55:00 -
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NEGA LEAVESEY wrote:Thor Thunder Fist wrote:Pent'noir wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Well about the AV people: invest more SP to your equipment otherwise you will get rolled over in like 1-2 weeks if you stick with militia stuff. I say this cause i just beasted with my soma on skirmish. Wiped whole squads from objectives while watching out to not getting to close to infantry (av grenades are dangerous). Well the result: militia AV weapons do a bit of damage but not enough to make me sweat. Otherwise i wouldnt be aible to go 34-0. And i think orbital strikes are a joke they have way to little damage radious. As soon i saw 2 enemy strikes incoming (yes you can see and hear them before they hit the ground) i simply drived back and evaded it without a scratch on my tank. It was starting to happen in the last build where lots of ppl were training their av skills and/or vehicle skills to counter the tanks. The tanks became the greatest thing to have then ppl found their counter to it. Although now with all of the new blood, its like starting over. It will again take tanks to openly win games inorder to get ppl to invest sp into a counter. They don't know yet that without some ppl trying to counter it, a tank can clear a battlefield. I'm also hoping for some dropship pilots to come out and play because they were a nice help and could sometimes take a tank out on their own. I may end up playing around with a ds since I keep getting them as salvage. I have 40 or so of them now. since our death traps are now more expensive I believe we are taking the time to up our skills so that if we manage to stay upright we will last more then a couple militia swarm hits you shall see us soon...... And you sir, will see 6 of my finest missiles fly erratically towards you promptly. Not saying they'll reach you due to derp flight path but hey, here's trying
MWAHAHAHAHAHA me n my derp flight path are so stupid your missiles won't be able to find there target I spent 15min of the last match I was in upside down on the ground |
BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS
108
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Posted - 2012.08.23 11:32:00 -
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I have been thinking about this subject and came to a conclusion about this problem.
I'm sure I will get flamed like crazy for this but it seems after reading plenty of threads on plenty of subjects, most people on this forum are EVE players not FPS console players.
Consequently the threads all tend to be very one sided and jumped on by so called '' evetards '' as soon as a true FPS player says something legitimate about gun play or the fact this is supposed to be an MMOFPS, but is clearly, who has the biggest, baddest tank wins. Not many console FPS players bother with forums like this especially in beta, they just want to play a great FPS . This as it stands now is NOT. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.08.23 11:44:00 -
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Little unfair that me thinks. I'm an 9 year bitter eve vet myself and I wana see an epic FPS too. |
BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS
108
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Posted - 2012.08.23 11:53:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Little unfair that me thinks. I'm an 9 year bitter eve vet myself and I wana see an epic FPS too.
Sha, you are a really good FPS player and I'm always pleased to play you, with or against. I am not saying just because you or anyone likes / plays EVE you cannot have an opinion or be a good FPS player. I am saying this forum is mostly commented on by EVE players who wouldn't know an FPS if it slapped them in the face I'm afraid. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.23 12:30:00 -
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It's not unfair Kharn. The trouble is that most consoleers are far removed from forums. My buddies call me "forum boy" since I've been on Dust. Funny part is, they're in the beta too, and should be on here! Well, you can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Regarding OP tanks, yes they're insanely tough. But the damage normal tanks do now is seriously reduced. The cant drive up steep slopes (however, nor can infantry...) and are excellent for you if your not a traditional FPS player. Most EvE players can fit a tank better than a non EvE player. Hence the cries of OP tank. It's OP fitting if anything now the 1.5 marauder damage mod is gone (as far as we know, they might have just hidden it lol).
Working as intended currently IMHO. The problem is our Playerbase. It's terrible. Worse than terrible. Bloody atrocious.
I played skirmish games yesterday, specifically on plateau. I spawned last because of my uber connection. Surprise surprise, everyone is walking to C. So I call in an LAV, and race to C, reaching it before anyone else on my team. They had decided that automated blasters and close reserves were more important. I then drove over to D. Same story. So I cap 2 letter, an go fight for B. alone. Totally alone for about 3 minutes, fighting 2 vs 1 at safest moments. Thank god for the huge hitbox on objectives :D
Now, this kinda BS continues all the time. People "covering" your back while you hack. HELP ME HACK FFS. The objectives win games. If you aren't playing for the win then gtfo. If you can't deal with the objective, how the hell are you going to deal with a 15kehp tank? Until we have good players, for the love of us all don't Nerf tanks.
I'll try and do a brief 10 things to do in skirmish list later. It's beyond a joke. |
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Corban Lahnder
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2012.08.23 16:33:00 -
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The problem is once a group get a monopoly of tanks and start working together, as they can and should in this build, they will essentially deny any and all sp or isk gain to any one in that match who cannot field a tank themselves to counter.
If the only hard counter to a tank in this build is a tank of equivalent size and fitting, there is no reason to level anything but tank skills.
This is counter productive to what the dust team is trying to achieve. We all ready have WOT. If I no longer have any reason to play infantry builds naturally I will put all my sp and isk into tanks, as will every one else.
Not entirely sure if thats the kind of variety you want in a game. |
Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars
91
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Posted - 2012.08.23 16:36:00 -
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As I have seen hardly any AV weapons used and do not have any AV weapons yet myself (besides Militia Swarm), I honestly cannot say whether tanks are OP or not. I hope to soon though as tanks are becoming a serious problem for someone like me without AV weapons. |
BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS
108
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Posted - 2012.08.23 17:31:00 -
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Nomed Deeps wrote:As I have seen hardly any AV weapons used and do not have any AV weapons yet myself (besides Militia Swarm), I honestly cannot say whether tanks are OP or not. I hope to soon though as tanks are becoming a serious problem for someone like me without AV weapons.
I don't know what you mean as you get a swarm launcher the moment you start in this game ?
It might be useless but it's still what is supposed to be an AV weapon. It's your shock loadout.
EDIT. oops sorry just saw you said militia. Yes it's rubbish but better than a sniper rifle. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.23 17:44:00 -
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FFS guys, get AV nades, wtf do you think happens when 16 people throw 48 AV nades at a HAV? Unrealistic? Only because everyone takes militia grenades. Sorry if 2500 is too much per death.
AV nades are not an option. |
BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS
108
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Posted - 2012.08.23 17:58:00 -
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We have them too Tony as we try to play FPS not WOT. It seems everyone one has the attitude of ' ' I'm alright Jack ' '
And 2 or 3 or 4 of us in our huge squad is not enough. |
William HBonney
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:17:00 -
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I think there is an issue with AV at the moment...it isn't because not enough people run it, it is the gimped AV options we have now...let me explain
AV gernades are awesome, they work very well, but you gotta get close to the killing machine before you can use them....but they do work
Swarms are ********...their flight path is very odd and they tend to hit a stone in the road before they meet the tank...they nerfed swarms after the first build, but kept their tier one skill as +5% dmg to AOE....the current swarms do 15dmg aoe....what kind of logic does that make? 25% to 15...oooo now at lvl 5 your splash is 19dmg!! The modifier for swarms needs to be changed, perhaps faster lock on....faster rocket speed...more dmg to the direct hit...something that makes sense.
Forge were nerfed bad....the range reduction is horrible, the ideal tactic is NOT to go toe to toe with a tank....be smart and hit it from afar...well no longer, forge have a 40 m range and swarms will hit everything in it's path...before hitting the tank...
Last build I had a much easier time killing tanks, and I am not talking lone wolf, these are with groups of people who love the thrill of the hunt. just a few tweeks need to be made me thinks.... |
BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS
108
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Posted - 2012.08.27 14:03:00 -
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BUMP.
This thread ringing any bells for anyone ?  |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
134
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:15:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:here's another "cool story" for you, blanded dave...
typical mic conversation:
some guy #1: "have you heard of those guys that call themselves warriors?"
some guy #2: "yeah there a punch of pusies who whine to much.. they all rage quit already"
me: "yea i know..."
know what else is gai as hell about you dave? that you actually took the time to stalk my 1.24(and rising) KDR
lol what a fgt..
no bro i dont want to date you.
yea dave thats right 1.24 KDR.. this is only my second build, dave. CCP in their infinate wisdom decide it best to early invite morons like you to the beta..
Hey boggins do you ever have a single constructive, intelligent non troll comment to make ? No you don't.
Luckily for you, you have never met me in a game as you play us server, how I wish this game wasn't continent based.
IF I were ever to '' rage quit '' it sure would not be because of someone like you, I'd be having way to much fun with you. |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
326
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:36:00 -
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That's what I was telling you before! |
Beta Dust Fish
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:38:00 -
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BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS wrote:It's such a shame, I feel sorry for ruin this game.
i fixed your Thread
since your clan is full of MAG cheaters who would Glitch/Cheat under buildings its no wonder you have to use Tanks cause you have no fps skill at all |
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