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The problem I currently have with the vehicle controls isn't the difficulty in keeping them going straight, but the awkwardness of complex manoeuvring. If I push the stick to the right, it's a very fine line between going forwards and turning right and going backwards turning right - an important difference if I'm trying to turn round in a small space.

Switching acceleration (and reverse) to a separate control (such as L1/L2 as you suggest) would fix that (but I've only driven the LAV so I don't know if those buttons have other functions on HAVs).

Go play Mario Cart?

But seriously, Dust isn't an arcade FPS. It's anything but an arcade FPS. Why should vehicles break from this realism motiff?
If this were any other game I'd be inclined to maybe agree but this isn't any other game. This is Dust and CCP are going in the opposite direction to any arcade mechanics.

The majority of players are complaining. I have no problem with it, but others do. Seeing it will make some impact of player count in frustration that's my concern.

Go play Mario Cart?

But seriously, Dust isn't an arcade FPS. It's anything but an arcade FPS. Why should vehicles break from this realism motiff?
If this were any other game I'd be inclined to maybe agree but this isn't any other game. This is Dust and CCP are going in the opposite direction to any arcade mechanics.

Because everything has to be so hardcore, and nothing can just be simple. Why don't we just invert infantry movement controls? You know, so its no longer like CoD or other nooby arcade games, so that walking will take skill. Who cares about fun at all, right?

Just because you prefer something a certain way doesn't mean that is how it should be, and doesn't mean people don't have the right to ask for it to be different. I don't really see any merit to the "because its not mario cart" argument. Any simple game mechanic comparable to something from an arcade game, and be grounds for changing, no matter how ridiculous it is. Believe it or not, FUN ACTUALLY MATTERS in games.

Vehicles are expensive. Even militia vehices that can be destroyed with weapons ranging from free (militia swarm launcher) to about 4,000 ISK (standard forge gun) can cost more than 130,000 ISK. Besides the starter LAV, militia vehicles are no longer permanent (which I think is a good thing). Think about these things together, expensive + hard to use, because something is hard to use, it requires practice, but should someone have to spend hundreds of thousands of their ISK on a couple of weak piece of poop dropship sthat might get taken down in 3 minutes just to get use to the controls?

I'm fine with LAV controls (doesn't mean it shouldn't be tweaked), haven't tried the HAVs recently, bu the dropships really should be changed back.

Then you should have to use Steering wheel and pedals to drive. After all, it means more realism right?

While I agree with that direction in general, I don't think people should be forced to PAY extra. That's where I draw my red line.

I think you should push to the max with the tools at your disposal. If you need a new tool you're doing it wrong.

Dust is based on the same motiff as EVE. Sharp learning curve and ultra hardcore.
While I do realise this is just my opinion and not fact, I believe in it.

I don't see much point to people argueing for realistic hit detection, weapon range and firing cone (scatter) but on the other hand asking for simplified vehicles. A hardcore game means you specialize. Just because you're an amazing sniper and can't drive for **** doesn't mean vehicles should be simplified. It means you should find a good driver for your squad.

Dust is based on the same motiff as EVE. Sharp learning curve and ultra hardcore.
While I do realise this is just my opinion and not fact, I believe in it.

I don't see much point to people argueing for realistic hit detection, weapon range and firing cone (scatter) but on the other hand asking for simplified vehicles. A hardcore game means you specialize. Just because you're an amazing sniper and can't drive for **** doesn't mean vehicles should be simplified. It means you should find a good driver for your squad.

Go play Mario Cart?

But seriously, Dust isn't an arcade FPS. It's anything but an arcade FPS. Why should vehicles break from this realism motiff?
If this were any other game I'd be inclined to maybe agree but this isn't any other game. This is Dust and CCP are going in the opposite direction to any arcade mechanics.

Arguing realism is an argument IN FAVOUR of changing the controls. You don't get your car speeding forward faster than intended because you're turning the wheel sharply, do you?

NO.

In this, hard cornering is near-impossible without affecting movement speed as well. Movement and steering should be separate functions. The reason that works for racing sims (NOT just karting games) is because it's ... say it with me... MORE REALISTIC.

TRIGGERS (as I mentioned before, also pressure-sensitive, and therefore appropriate to allow variable acceleration) for accelerator and brake/reverse. Left stick for TURNING ONLY.

Before flaming me, please read my OP. Thank you.

I do point out that the turning mechanism is flawed ATM and have also suggested a solution.
I originally wanted to go with L1/L2 for forward/reverse but as someone pointed out, that would've broken the HAV.

It isnt a tacical simulator either.

With the total lack of UI elements the current control schemes are extremly hard to be managed.

Finally with the controls where they are they have very shallow 'ceilings' that once you can competenlty operate them thats it, there is nothing beyond that really to be honest.

Throw in the fact you have to use modules and manage tanking at the same time severly reduces focus factor requires of vehicle operators if the vehicles had absolutely no items to have to turn on this would been okay but its not, we're expected to throw up electronic warfare, tank, slam the capacitor injectors just to keep the modules going.

The controls shouldnt be so difficult that nobody wants to get in these golden coffins. They shouldnt also be something people master in one day. Finally the control schemes shouldnt and I bear repeating shouldnt be favoring the best killing machine the HAV. Doing so results 'why drive anything else?' question whcih is what lead to murader overpopularity last build and quickly leading to it this build again, since dropships are having extremly difficult time engaging a tank safely.

As the previous poster said we dont have gas and break contorll installed in the steering wheel. They're on the floor in form of foot pedals.

I'm not flaming you, I read the OP, this was my second post in the thread.

And you may not have noticed, but there are separate "wheeled vehicle" (LAV) and "tracked vehicle" (HAV) controls. HAVs, imo, handle fine (I suck with them), and LAVs aren't too bad (I'm better with them, but find the control scheme more awkward).

All I'm saying is that it would make more sense NOT to use the current control scheme for LAVs, both from the perspective of realism AND fun factor.

You mentioned in several comments that using buttons doesn't work as well for realism because you can't vary the speed as fluidly - I'm pointing out that with the triggers, you CAN.

dude said vehicle controls are fine
#imdone
this game will fail if this is the kinda delusional feedback and suggestions these fanboys giving

dude said vehicle controls are fine
#imdone
this game will fail if this is the kinda delusional feedback and suggestions these fanboys giving

I'm open to your thoughts on the matter.
You're clearly opposed to my opinion on the matter, I'd love to hear why. What makes the current controls so bad for you and what would make them better?

the ideal learning curve should be

Okay I can get in and not crash.
Okay i can move a bit and not blow up.
Okay hitting things is bad, going faster would probably blow me up next time.
Okay that swaps seats, this operates my modules, oh i can go backwards.
Okay I can easily get from point a to b reliably.

and thats where LAV and current DS controls learning curve really ends though.

There is no, so compentently be able to drive a vehicle that I can scoot into a fire fight pick up the wounded and get them out of there safely.

Because the infantry learning curve is nowhere near as steep let alone has a much much much higher ceiling than any vehicle.