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The problem I currently have with the vehicle controls isn't the difficulty in keeping them going straight, but the awkwardness of complex manoeuvring. If I push the stick to the right, it's a very fine line between going forwards and turning right and going backwards turning right - an important difference if I'm trying to turn round in a small space.

Switching acceleration (and reverse) to a separate control (such as L1/L2 as you suggest) would fix that (but I've only driven the LAV so I don't know if those buttons have other functions on HAVs).

The majority of players are complaining. I have no problem with it, but others do. Seeing it will make some impact of player count in frustration that's my concern.

Because everything has to be so hardcore, and nothing can just be simple. Why don't we just invert infantry movement controls? You know, so its no longer like CoD or other nooby arcade games, so that walking will take skill. Who cares about fun at all, right?

Just because you prefer something a certain way doesn't mean that is how it should be, and doesn't mean people don't have the right to ask for it to be different. I don't really see any merit to the "because its not mario cart" argument. Any simple game mechanic comparable to something from an arcade game, and be grounds for changing, no matter how ridiculous it is. Believe it or not, FUN ACTUALLY MATTERS in games.

Vehicles are expensive. Even militia vehices that can be destroyed with weapons ranging from free (militia swarm launcher) to about 4,000 ISK (standard forge gun) can cost more than 130,000 ISK. Besides the starter LAV, militia vehicles are no longer permanent (which I think is a good thing). Think about these things together, expensive + hard to use, because something is hard to use, it requires practice, but should someone have to spend hundreds of thousands of their ISK on a couple of weak piece of poop dropship sthat might get taken down in 3 minutes just to get use to the controls?

I'm fine with LAV controls (doesn't mean it shouldn't be tweaked), haven't tried the HAVs recently, bu the dropships really should be changed back.

Then you should have to use Steering wheel and pedals to drive. After all, it means more realism right?

Arguing realism is an argument IN FAVOUR of changing the controls. You don't get your car speeding forward faster than intended because you're turning the wheel sharply, do you?

NO.

In this, hard cornering is near-impossible without affecting movement speed as well. Movement and steering should be separate functions. The reason that works for racing sims (NOT just karting games) is because it's ... say it with me... MORE REALISTIC.

TRIGGERS (as I mentioned before, also pressure-sensitive, and therefore appropriate to allow variable acceleration) for accelerator and brake/reverse. Left stick for TURNING ONLY.

It isnt a tacical simulator either.

With the total lack of UI elements the current control schemes are extremly hard to be managed.

Finally with the controls where they are they have very shallow 'ceilings' that once you can competenlty operate them thats it, there is nothing beyond that really to be honest.

Throw in the fact you have to use modules and manage tanking at the same time severly reduces focus factor requires of vehicle operators if the vehicles had absolutely no items to have to turn on this would been okay but its not, we're expected to throw up electronic warfare, tank, slam the capacitor injectors just to keep the modules going.

The controls shouldnt be so difficult that nobody wants to get in these golden coffins. They shouldnt also be something people master in one day. Finally the control schemes shouldnt and I bear repeating shouldnt be favoring the best killing machine the HAV. Doing so results 'why drive anything else?' question whcih is what lead to murader overpopularity last build and quickly leading to it this build again, since dropships are having extremly difficult time engaging a tank safely.

As the previous poster said we dont have gas and break contorll installed in the steering wheel. They're on the floor in form of foot pedals.

I'm not flaming you, I read the OP, this was my second post in the thread.

And you may not have noticed, but there are separate "wheeled vehicle" (LAV) and "tracked vehicle" (HAV) controls. HAVs, imo, handle fine (I suck with them), and LAVs aren't too bad (I'm better with them, but find the control scheme more awkward).

All I'm saying is that it would make more sense NOT to use the current control scheme for LAVs, both from the perspective of realism AND fun factor.

You mentioned in several comments that using buttons doesn't work as well for realism because you can't vary the speed as fluidly - I'm pointing out that with the triggers, you CAN.

dude said vehicle controls are fine
#imdone
this game will fail if this is the kinda delusional feedback and suggestions these fanboys giving

the ideal learning curve should be

Okay I can get in and not crash.
Okay i can move a bit and not blow up.
Okay hitting things is bad, going faster would probably blow me up next time.
Okay that swaps seats, this operates my modules, oh i can go backwards.
Okay I can easily get from point a to b reliably.

and thats where LAV and current DS controls learning curve really ends though.

There is no, so compentently be able to drive a vehicle that I can scoot into a fire fight pick up the wounded and get them out of there safely.

Because the infantry learning curve is nowhere near as steep let alone has a much much much higher ceiling than any vehicle.

L1/R1 for driving? whats wrong with you them are basic controls for aiming and firing

L2/R2 are the standard driving controls

^ and this is why you dont impliment horrible controls its going to encourage the 'lame' and 'lazy' tactics mostly, As posted in another thread the dropship tower camping is going to be popular again for the basic grounds of 200isk into 100k sp conversions and the extrem difficulty in challenging the tower.

Players would like to take the path of least resistance, and the skill route for dropships is so adverse it is going to constantly boil down to 'why fly one?' Name one thing a dropship can do that an LAV can't in the same amount of time and you'll find yourself in a losing argument. At least a LAV can land without blowing up.

But you're not also listening about the skill caps. Infantry are nearly infinite ceiling, there is always something to aspire to in infantry peformance, better aiming, better planning, better situational digestion as infantry and appraoches. You can see other players in infantry being very good and envy them.

When I look up and see a dropship or see an LAV I can only think of one thing, pinanta. I dont evny the pilots I dont envy his skills I mutter on his poor choice of mobility. Oh you can do one barrel roll, good luck as the followup launch timed on purpose to meet you as soon as get done rolling means you either eats the first or second launch. The only good lavs Ive meet are the ones that know to stay away from the heavy looking for them, most are just solo cappers that really dont know how to operate them esepcially when one AV nade ends thier joy ride.

If there is such a think as a superior dropship pilot, I havent seen it yet, I havent seen on last more than 20 seconds in combat, I havent seen one I didnt make sure didnt stay in combat that long, I havent seen a dropship that didnt get shot down by a single milita reload. and BTW battlefield 3 choppers dont fly this horribly there is something deep level wrong in control responses.

You're right.

When they nose dive into a cliff, it's freaking incredible.

Sarcasm aside, can you give some actual, specific examples of these incredible, new found maneuvers?

And congradulations I've shot you down. try again.