I'll clarify. The controls may need tweaking (especially sharp turns with throttle) but in general the physics model of the vehicles in Dust is perfect. They behave as they should as I see it.

The holy grail for the new physics model for it is the dropship. I'm completely in awe with CCP for accomplishing this. It almost seems like they built a dynamic vehicle force engine and allowed the controls to just map to that. For a new vehicle they just define its vectors and let it loose. No special control mapping, just the dynamic engine.

L1/R1 for driving? whats wrong with you them are basic controls for aiming and firing

L2/R2 are the standard driving controls

Dropship controls are horrible, clunky, and not even remotely fun. I don't see why a Dropship should be so much harder to pilot than a tank, when you consider the impact a tank makes vs a Dropship, and also when you compare their difficulty to kill.

Dropship controls are horrible.

^ and this is why you dont impliment horrible controls its going to encourage the 'lame' and 'lazy' tactics mostly, As posted in another thread the dropship tower camping is going to be popular again for the basic grounds of 200isk into 100k sp conversions and the extrem difficulty in challenging the tower.

Players would like to take the path of least resistance, and the skill route for dropships is so adverse it is going to constantly boil down to 'why fly one?' Name one thing a dropship can do that an LAV can't in the same amount of time and you'll find yourself in a losing argument. At least a LAV can land without blowing up.

But you're not also listening about the skill caps. Infantry are nearly infinite ceiling, there is always something to aspire to in infantry peformance, better aiming, better planning, better situational digestion as infantry and appraoches. You can see other players in infantry being very good and envy them.

When I look up and see a dropship or see an LAV I can only think of one thing, pinanta. I dont evny the pilots I dont envy his skills I mutter on his poor choice of mobility. Oh you can do one barrel roll, good luck as the followup launch timed on purpose to meet you as soon as get done rolling means you either eats the first or second launch. The only good lavs Ive meet are the ones that know to stay away from the heavy looking for them, most are just solo cappers that really dont know how to operate them esepcially when one AV nade ends thier joy ride.

If there is such a think as a superior dropship pilot, I havent seen it yet, I havent seen on last more than 20 seconds in combat, I havent seen one I didnt make sure didnt stay in combat that long, I havent seen a dropship that didnt get shot down by a single milita reload. and BTW battlefield 3 choppers dont fly this horribly there is something deep level wrong in control responses.

. A good dropship pilot can do incredible things with the new dropship which were not remotely possible with the old one. I endorse this.

You're right.

When they nose dive into a cliff, it's freaking incredible.

Sarcasm aside, can you give some actual, specific examples of these incredible, new found maneuvers?

You're right.

When they nose dive into a cliff, it's freaking incredible.

Sarcasm aside, can you give some actual, specific examples of these incredible, new found maneuvers?

Have you even seen a helicopter doing trick flying? Our dropship can be even more agile than that, the physics model (and yes, even the controls) allow for that.

As for a more down to earth example.
Think of a trained and in-sync dropship crew spotting a target right below them. The new dropship can do a 90 degree side roll and bring one gunner immediately above the target below them for 2-3 seconds. That should be enough for a good gunner to release 1-2 missiles into the target's head.

Think of a realy acrobatic dropship dodging missiles around buildings with sharp turns.
Think of a quick pilot side rolling to avoid a tank shell headed their way.
Think of flying at almost ground level and following the land conteurs in order to avoid AV fire. Think of 3 dropships doing this in sync and dropping off 12-18 mercs on the enemy's doorstep.


The new dropship is an increadible beast. People just need to learn how to tame it.

And congradulations I've shot you down. try again.

Have you even seen a helicopter doing trick flying? Our dropship can be even more agile than that, the physics model (and yes, even the controls) allow for that.

As for a more down to earth example.
Think of a trained and in-sync dropship crew spotting a target right below them. The new dropship can do a 90 degree side roll and bring one gunner immediately above the target below them for 2-3 seconds. That should be enough for a good gunner to release 1-2 missiles into the target's head.

Think of a realy acrobatic dropship dodging missiles around buildings with sharp turns.
Think of a quick pilot side rolling to avoid a tank shell headed their way.
Think of flying at almost ground level and following the land conteurs in order to avoid AV fire. Think of 3 dropships doing this in sync and dropping off 12-18 mercs on the enemy's doorstep.


The new dropship is an increadible beast. People just need to learn how to tame it.

realistic

All I have to say to that, is that this game takes place in the EVE universe. We're talking, GIGANTIC space ships, MASSIVE weaponry, immortal soldiers, warp drives, afterburners....

You'd think in this age of hyper advanced technology, a dropship would possess on board computers to alleviate a lot of the tedious aspects of piloting, such as adjusting for wind or leveling out the ship.

Realism has always been a poor argument in sci fi games.

For me, it all comes down to fun factor. And for me, the new dropships are so far from fun, it's not even funny.

the new difficulty level is a spam filter actually.. imo

The only reason you saw so much dropship spam last build was because militia vehicles were free. Dropship use was actually at a really good place the build before last. We went from just about the right amount of DS use, to WAY too much DS use, to seeing a dropship once every 5-10 matches.

If you're in open sky with nothing to quickly duck behind as a Dropship pilot, you're doing it wrong.
If you're not, you can dodge missiles just fine if you're good with the controls.
If you're NOT good at flying yet, then you're pretty much dead before you take off.

That's not a problem, it's a learning curve.

That's not a problem, it's a learning curve.