Ccp also didnt address the unlimited ammo that vehicles have! Also it seems we might be stuck on plateaus again. Playing just a slight variant of the map. BORING!

Yeah, I can't believe ccp doesn't do everything how I want them to either! Just like that time I got this free car from the factory before they were done building it. They hadn't put the motor in it and it didn't have the wheels on it yet. I was so pissed off when I couldn't drive it home!!!1111!!one

Edit: Forgot to mention that my 3 year old son has more patience than some of the people on here. Makes me feel good about my parenting skills.

I play FPS

i played dust for the 1st two builds and was hopeful....

now i don't care anymore and most likely won't play this game... along with a lot of people i know.

if you make an MMOFPS and forget about FPS.. your left with MMO... now without FPS the 'MM` won`t be there and you have just an `O`

sooo... congrats CCP on another online game I won`t play.

Yeah, I can't believe ccp doesn't do everything how I want them to either! Just like that time I got this free car from the factory before they were done building it. They hadn't put the motor in it and it didn't have the wheels on it yet. I was so pissed off when I couldn't drive it home!!!1111!!one

Edit: Forgot to mention that my 3 year old son has more patience than some of the people on here. Makes me feel good about my parenting skills.

Yeah, I can't believe ccp doesn't do everything how I want them to either! Just like that time I got this free car from the factory before they were done building it. They hadn't put the motor in it and it didn't have the wheels on it yet. I was so pissed off when I couldn't drive it home!!!1111!!one

Edit: Forgot to mention that my 3 year old son has more patience than some of the people on here. Makes me feel good about my parenting skills.

Obviously doesn't realise that the game has been in development 3 years, ad beta for over 6 months. Your 3 year old just doesn't know better.

sounds like a crappy car

Obviously doesn't realise that the game has been in development 3 years, ad beta for over 6 months. Your 3 year old just doesn't know better.

Ccp also didnt address the unlimited ammo that vehicles have!

The core fps mechanics are of something thats been in development for less than 6 months! lol

I read something about auto-aim there in the precursor patch notes.

EDIT:

Here we go. Under Miscellaneous:

- Fixed the excessive aim assist <--- We had it excessively???
- Added movement slowdown on weapon impact <--- This could be a valid solution. Just spray someone and they'll slow down enough for you to hit them some more. Am I right to assume that?

3 years actually.

Before, CCP tried to make Dust 514 using their Carbon engine which is the same engine used to develop the Avatars in Eve Online when the Incarna Expansion got released back in 2010. But due to time constraints, they had to settle with the Unreal engine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNhPig8inEY&feature=player_detailpage#t=4584s

The core fps mechanics are of something thats been in development for less than 6 months! lol

The hit detection may be intended, In EvE relative lateral motion and long range cause a percentage of hits to miss. If they are doing this, we should no about. Doesn't seem as bad if reason for misses is known, I'm not sure a mechanic like this would transfer well from EvE to first person shooter. Notes mention a displayed percentage, could be showing the miss chance, or telling us how well we are aiming. Guess we will have to see.

3 years actually.

Before, CCP tried to make Dust 514 using their Carbon engine which is the same engine used to develop the Avatars in Eve Online when the Incarna Expansion got released back in 2010. But due to time constraints, they had to settle with the Unreal engine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNhPig8inEY&feature=player_detailpage#t=4584s

Don't like hearing that they "settled"

Hit Detection is not even a 'known issue'
RBS is still a 'skill'
And they added black op tanks.
This game should be called World of Tanks for PS3. Just sayin'

Yeah, I can't believe ccp doesn't do everything how I want them to either! Just like that time I got this free car from the factory before they were done building it. They hadn't put the motor in it and it didn't have the wheels on it yet. I was so pissed off when I couldn't drive it home!!!1111!!one

Edit: Forgot to mention that my 3 year old son has more patience than some of the people on here. Makes me feel good about my parenting skills.

First beta stage was released around the new year 2012. Right there is more than 8 months of beta play. Alpha play would have also gotten its fair share of FPS mechanic tweaks as well. Additionally, the game is an FPS. If you didnt start designing your game with core FPS gun mechanics in mind... I have some bad news for you.

I love the fact that I specced heavily into infantry assault and my loudouts are useless because of the stupidly effective tanks. I should just re-spec into tanks and I will be #1 Dust player.

The statement on maps was an indication that we'll still be using the same planet, but that the actual "maps" we're presented with depends on what facility we're attacking, and what structures have been placed there. It generates maps based on several factors so that it's different each time if we make it different. Hell, since the testing systems are in null-sec already, I'm curious if I can set up some PI on the test planet.

Yeah, they're way off the mark with making an FPS. They need to get the movement - Hipfire - ads -damage/health balance just right. It isn't right at the moment.
If hit detection is like it was last weekend in the new build, I'll petty much give up. They really need I stop adding things, and perfect what is already here.

Im not sure but I think that our test planet is in Jove space.. So we can't reach it.

I think most of the people complaining here wasnt around for Uprising or Replication builds.

Yeah, I can't believe ccp doesn't do everything how I want them to either! Just like that time I got this free car from the factory before they were done building it. They hadn't put the motor in it and it didn't have the wheels on it yet. I was so pissed off when I couldn't drive it home!!!1111!!one

Edit: Forgot to mention that my 3 year old son has more patience than some of the people on here. Makes me feel good about my parenting skills.

We havent had any new builds since e3 though. at least this build has promising staying power with the new terrain genreator.

Also this wasnt in the patch notes either but the beta 4x multiplier is going away as well.

Hit Detection is not even a 'known issue'
RBS is still a 'skill'
And they added black op tanks.
This game should be called World of Tanks for PS3. Just sayin'

I'll give you that. I'm curious what this build will have in it but the sustainability of this game will be built arounds the mechanics of an fps. Until they get those right, this entire game will be a gimmick ppl will play for a handful of months max

And STILL people aren't happy!
What the hell is it with you kids thinking the world owes you everything?
Its not even an open beta yet you fool, its still in closed beta. There are several months to go before full release and at leaste another two builds. There is plenty of time to fix the STUPID AMOUNT of fixes that you all want fixed in a damn week. Ccp have private lives, wives, kids, social events, FRIENDS ETC. Not EVERYTHING revolves around nerfing a f***ing gun or whatever just because the noobs don't know how to use it.
Certain things need tweaked I admit, but I get more fun from dust just on one map than I did with the full bf3 game........and stop saying this is broke and that is broke just because you want it to play out like mw3, it's NOT mw3 (thank F**K!)
THINGS WILL BE FIXED OVER TIME............ONE STEP AT A TIME.
This is not a full release game yet, so stop acting like it is!

Gunplay is still an issue it needs to be smoother none the less, true the aim is being a bit better than CoD just right now with the flaws its not past that yet, remove the flaws and it will outshine in that aspect of gun play then we can start polishing eveyrthing else. Remember its up to us to get the the feedback ccp needs like complaining about not being able to break crouch by sprinting.

I'm wondering if most of the complaints about hit detection are just people whining that they aren't gods. I know there are hit detection issues but I think the majority of the complaints are people crying. Im excited about the movement effect of being hit. I'm irked that there isn't really any recoil when firing. That takes a lot of fun out of the fights. the ADS mechanic is a bit over-rated really. There should be a penalty on recoil when moving and firing. That penalty increases based on speed and whether your strafing.

We are in some advanced exoskelliton like suits so ADS shouldn't even be a thought for mercs.

Here's a better analogy.

I was going to get this free car from the factory. During the design phase they showed me some drafts. It had square wheels on it, and a translucent windshield. I told them it was a bad idea, and that round wheels will make the car drive better. Also, a transparent windshield will make it easier to see out of, for driving.

A month later, they produced a prototype for me to test drive. It had square wheels, and a translucent windshield...
good news, is that they put in leather seats!

And STILL people aren't happy!
What the hell is it with you kids thinking the world owes you everything?
Its not even an open beta yet you fool, its still in closed beta. There are several months to go before full release and at leaste another two builds. There is plenty of time to fix the STUPID AMOUNT of fixes that you all want fixed in a damn week. Ccp have private lives, wives, kids, social events, FRIENDS ETC. Not EVERYTHING revolves around nerfing a f***ing gun or whatever just because the noobs don't know how to use it.
Certain things need tweaked I admit, but I get more fun from dust just on one map than I did with the full bf3 game........and stop saying this is broke and that is broke just because you want it to play out like mw3, it's NOT mw3 (thank F**K!)
THINGS WILL BE FIXED OVER TIME............ONE STEP AT A TIME.
This is not a full release game yet, so stop acting like it is!

Don't know what you're smoking but ADS means aim down sights! Why would there be more recoil when ADS compared to hip fire?
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Beta is six months old and hit detection was supposed to be fixed twice already. Also if you enjoy this cluster **** of a beta more tan BF3 retail you are bullshitting yourself. Also I'm sure no one here wants it to play like COD!

Hmm... I know that in previous builds CCP acknowledged hit detection as an issue. It seems vastly improved for the current build we have. But I think it is a "comedy of errors," so to speak.-á
They talk about fixing the excessive auto aim, which I believe pulls the shots to where the target used to be. Which is why u have to lead alot sometimes. Also, in dealing with the scout, they reduced the amount that thy will jump around. I believe that this effected the mechanic of how they registered hits b/c the auto aim would pull ur shots to where it was. It was like it was always behind.-á
Also, they discussed optimal range was adjusted for most weapons. I know this has been an issue too. For example, the AR is a medium range weapon, not short or long. It was spec'd like this. So when u were really close to a target and u would shot, it would do less damage, but u would see the hits register(especially against their shields). For example, I would sneak up behind the hills to take the scouts out. I could even stand around and read my mail sometimes. I would aim right at their heads and have to unload at least 10-15 rnds. All would register visually, just not stat wise. On the other hand, a scout zig-zagging toward me, I could lead and now down in 5-8 shots. Now, in real life, u take an AR, let it be a 552 or M4 variant, and aim it at a stationary target at 3ft and one at 30ft. They both go down in the same fashion.-á
There r some other issues too dealing with rendered models and such. But the optimal range and auto aim could be culprits for some. I'm not complaining, if u've played with me, u know I get my kills. Just thinking through the issues though.-á

Because having your face on your gun doesn't decrease the amount of kick a gun has. I am assuming that hipfire isn't actually at the hip but rather positioned just like it would be when you're ADS but your head is up. Movement should effect recoil. Not whether your head is closer to your gun. Obviously if you are ADS you wont be moving

Do you know what it would take to improve hit detection? You don't just tell the computer to fix it and its done. It'll take time and it'll get done.

Just a comment on the PS2 talk. Been watching the live streams and reading chatter about the play so far. They seem to be having similar issues with hit detection and fps mechanics as well. And they do have quit a few crashes.

But back to DUST. Its quite possible the servers are part of hit detection. Can't wait to see how scouts will be affected. Maybe we can actually drop some of those speed freaks. Plus, if they tried to put every single fix, update, add on, etc., in the notes, who know how long that read would be. I'm sure they put the most important, and most called for changes in there.

I am a bit confused on when we will see the update. Maybe I just missed the clarification. I have heard we will see it the 21st. But notes say next week. When will we actually be able to play the new build?

I love the fact that I specced heavily into infantry assault and my loudouts are useless because of the stupidly effective tanks. I should just re-spec into tanks and I will be #1 Dust player.