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Roccano1
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:47:00 -
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How about we wait for the patch to see if things are fixed or not? |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:50:00 -
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We have random bullet spread. Hipfire vs Ads sums it up. If it was anything like recoil, you couldnt have strafe wars. Strafe wars are pretty common. It's rbs. Edit: Rbs is isn't bad, it's just a bit of a cop out. |
Marwan2
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:52:00 -
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What notes? Link please? |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:56:00 -
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August21 update. It's stickies but here's a link. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29935&find=unread Just realised that's a link to a link... Keep clicking :D |
Regis Mark V
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:02:00 -
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Medtronik wrote:Yeah, I can't believe ccp doesn't do everything how I want them to either! Just like that time I got this free car from the factory before they were done building it. They hadn't put the motor in it and it didn't have the wheels on it yet. I was so pissed off when I couldn't drive it home!!!1111!!one
Edit: Forgot to mention that my 3 year old son has more patience than some of the people on here. Makes me feel good about my parenting skills.
This is the fourth build coming in and hit detection is not fixed and RBS is still bad. So people have there right to lose there patience when some of us have been here from the beginning. |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:32:00 -
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JonnyAugust wrote:Saiibot wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Obviously doesn't realise that the game has been in development 3 years, ad beta for over 6 months. Your 3 year old just doesn't know better. The core fps mechanics are of something thats been in development for less than 6 months! lol First beta stage was released around the new year 2012. Right there is more than 8 months of beta play. Alpha play would have also gotten its fair share of FPS mechanic tweaks as well. Additionally, the game is an FPS. If you didnt start designing your game with core FPS gun mechanics in mind... I have some bad news for you.
Am I gonna have a bad time?!?!?! |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:33:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:I love the fact that I specced heavily into infantry assault and my loudouts are useless because of the stupidly effective tanks. I should just re-spec into tanks and I will be #1 Dust player.
Q F T you and me both bro , but I gave up 3 weeks ago |
Raynor Ragna
266
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:43:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Saiibot wrote:Ccp also didnt address the unlimited ammo that vehicles have! Also it seems we might be stuck on plateaus again. Playing just a slight variant of the map. BORING! The statement on maps was an indication that we'll still be using the same planet, but that the actual "maps" we're presented with depends on what facility we're attacking, and what structures have been placed there. It generates maps based on several factors so that it's different each time if we make it different. Hell, since the testing systems are in null-sec already, I'm curious if I can set up some PI on the test planet.
Im not sure but I think that our test planet is in Jove space.. So we can't reach it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:47:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Yeah, they're way off the mark with making an FPS. They need to get the movement - Hipfire - ads -damage/health balance just right. It isn't right at the moment. If hit detection is like it was last weekend in the new build, I'll petty much give up. They really need I stop adding things, and perfect what is already here.
If you hang out in the IRC chat they went into a long length discussion of things not listed on patch notes.
CCP nothin said they fixed the 'compression lag' that caused scouts to turn into ghosts. I tried to logg all of it but no luck my posts was like 6 more down the list. We also asked ccp to 'update' the notes on points to most concerning to the players such as 'improved timing between animation and acutal reloading to match up smoother' Or further interate that "scoping will now interrupt sprinting and be a smooth animation doing so." ect ect.
Like the specialist weapon types they added which is just vanillia guns with lighter fittings.
Also know that the development team responsible for gun play only work on gun play those on art work on art ect ect. just right now there is alot of cross resroucing going on as so many things are involved with each other.
Another exmaple not detailed on the patch notes, They improved swarm launcher speeds, but also improved dropship handeling and how it takes and receives damage for hard landings and collisions.
They also 'improved' vehicle handeling but one lined its foot note as well.
The patch notes imo are just a very rough draft and not a good one of it.
Overall we'll have to wait for the patch to roll out offically BY 21st of august before we can start really complaining, all over again. Damn vicious development cycle, fix one bunch of things and the customers start complaining about the rest of it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:53:00 -
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Raynor Ragna wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Saiibot wrote:Ccp also didnt address the unlimited ammo that vehicles have! Also it seems we might be stuck on plateaus again. Playing just a slight variant of the map. BORING! The statement on maps was an indication that we'll still be using the same planet, but that the actual "maps" we're presented with depends on what facility we're attacking, and what structures have been placed there. It generates maps based on several factors so that it's different each time if we make it different. Hell, since the testing systems are in null-sec already, I'm curious if I can set up some PI on the test planet. Im not sure but I think that our test planet is in Jove space.. So we can't reach it.
CCP hinted we're leaving battlemoon next patch. |
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Raynor Ragna
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:01:00 -
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I'm wondering if most of the complaints about hit detection are just people whining that they aren't gods. I know there are hit detection issues but I think the majority of the complaints are people crying. Im excited about the movement effect of being hit. I'm irked that there isn't really any recoil when firing. That takes a lot of fun out of the fights. the ADS mechanic is a bit over-rated really. There should be a penalty on recoil when moving and firing. That penalty increases based on speed and whether your strafing.
We are in some advanced exoskelliton like suits so ADS shouldn't even be a thought for mercs. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:01:00 -
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I think most of the people complaining here wasnt around for Uprising or Replication builds. |
JonnyAugust
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:05:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think most of the people complaining here wasnt around for Uprising or Replication builds.
Tbqh the only ppl that still play this game are ppl that we're not part of those builds. Those of us that have been in since April quit playing a long time ago because the game simply is not improving from an FPS stand point. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:10:00 -
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We havent had any new builds since e3 though. at least this build has promising staying power with the new terrain genreator.
Also this wasnt in the patch notes either but the beta 4x multiplier is going away as well. |
Mike Gunnzito
111
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:17:00 -
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Medtronik wrote:Yeah, I can't believe ccp doesn't do everything how I want them to either! Just like that time I got this free car from the factory before they were done building it. They hadn't put the motor in it and it didn't have the wheels on it yet. I was so pissed off when I couldn't drive it home!!!1111!!one
Edit: Forgot to mention that my 3 year old son has more patience than some of the people on here. Makes me feel good about my parenting skills.
Here's a better analogy.
I was going to get this free car from the factory. During the design phase they showed me some drafts. It had square wheels on it, and a translucent windshield. I told them it was a bad idea, and that round wheels will make the car drive better. Also, a transparent windshield will make it easier to see out of, for driving.
A month later, they produced a prototype for me to test drive. It had square wheels, and a translucent windshield... good news, is that they put in leather seats! |
JonnyAugust
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:19:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We havent had any new builds since e3 though. at least this build has promising staying power with the new terrain genreator.
Also this wasnt in the patch notes either but the beta 4x multiplier is going away as well.
I'll give you that. I'm curious what this build will have in it but the sustainability of this game will be built arounds the mechanics of an fps. Until they get those right, this entire game will be a gimmick ppl will play for a handful of months max |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:49:00 -
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JonnyAugust wrote:Hit Detection is not even a 'known issue' RBS is still a 'skill' And they added black op tanks. This game should be called World of Tanks for PS3. Just sayin' And STILL people aren't happy! What the hell is it with you kids thinking the world owes you everything? Its not even an open beta yet you fool, its still in closed beta. There are several months to go before full release and at leaste another two builds. There is plenty of time to fix the STUPID AMOUNT of fixes that you all want fixed in a damn week. Ccp have private lives, wives, kids, social events, FRIENDS ETC. Not EVERYTHING revolves around nerfing a f***ing gun or whatever just because the noobs don't know how to use it. Certain things need tweaked I admit, but I get more fun from dust just on one map than I did with the full bf3 game........and stop saying this is broke and that is broke just because you want it to play out like mw3, it's NOT mw3 (thank F**K!) THINGS WILL BE FIXED OVER TIME............ONE STEP AT A TIME. This is not a full release game yet, so stop acting like it is! |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:01:00 -
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JonnyAugust wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We havent had any new builds since e3 though. at least this build has promising staying power with the new terrain genreator.
Also this wasnt in the patch notes either but the beta 4x multiplier is going away as well. I'll give you that. I'm curious what this build will have in it but the sustainability of this game will be built arounds the mechanics of an fps. Until they get those right, this entire game will be a gimmick ppl will play for a handful of months max
well from the looks of it we're leaving 'battlemoon' now and will be going to other planets first the first time. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:12:00 -
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I love all the people bitching about "FPS Mechanics" and how this game plays like crap... Honestly, I think this game plays FAR better than CoD does (since WaW, MW1 was sweet).
Hit Detection a known issue and is being improved, for all of you that don't know how it works, lets get educated!
Hit Detection currently happens server side, not client side. What does that mean you may ask? Well, quite simply put - when you shoot someone, your game tells the server, the server calculates whether or not you hit them (based on ping, bullet speed, enemy position, and various information) and then the server sends the results back to you, and everyone else in the game. This takes a little bit of time though, as the internet isn't magical insta-information-transfer device. The lower your ping is, and the lower your opponents ping is, the less you will have to lead them (leading is shooting slightly in front of them), because the information transfer to and from the server will happen more swiftly.
The fact that we are being moved from the current test servers we are on, to the actual EVE Singularity test server, means that server speed and connection times will probably be improved, resulting in better hit detection. |
D Avenue
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
12
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:25:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:JonnyAugust wrote:Hit Detection is not even a 'known issue' RBS is still a 'skill' And they added black op tanks. This game should be called World of Tanks for PS3. Just sayin' And STILL people aren't happy! What the hell is it with you kids thinking the world owes you everything? Its not even an open beta yet you fool, its still in closed beta. There are several months to go before full release and at leaste another two builds. There is plenty of time to fix the STUPID AMOUNT of fixes that you all want fixed in a damn week. Ccp have private lives, wives, kids, social events, FRIENDS ETC. Not EVERYTHING revolves around nerfing a f***ing gun or whatever just because the noobs don't know how to use it. Certain things need tweaked I admit, but I get more fun from dust just on one map than I did with the full bf3 game........and stop saying this is broke and that is broke just because you want it to play out like mw3, it's NOT mw3 (thank F**K!) THINGS WILL BE FIXED OVER TIME............ONE STEP AT A TIME. This is not a full release game yet, so stop acting like it is!
Do you know how software development works, because your post makes you seem like you don't. The longer you go without fixing CORE pieces to the game, the longer and more expensive it gets to fix.
Pretty sure most people here are not looking for a COD MW3 game, they are looking for more. But to be a Successful MMOFPS, there has to be a good set of CORE FPS programming. Just like there has to be a good CORE MMO.
and to be honest, Right now its looking like a MMO 1/2 FPS game |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:36:00 -
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Gunplay is still an issue it needs to be smoother none the less, true the aim is being a bit better than CoD just right now with the flaws its not past that yet, remove the flaws and it will outshine in that aspect of gun play then we can start polishing eveyrthing else. Remember its up to us to get the the feedback ccp needs like complaining about not being able to break crouch by sprinting. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Gunplay is still an issue it needs to be smoother none the less, true the aim is being a bit better than CoD just right now with the flaws its not past that yet, remove the flaws and it will outshine in that aspect of gun play then we can start polishing eveyrthing else. Remember its up to us to get the the feedback ccp needs like complaining about not being able to break crouch by sprinting. I personally really like the gun play right now, shooting feels natural, recoil is good, doesn't seem forced. The only real thing I'm waiting for as far as gun play, is more options for sights! I am not a fan of full screen scopes, I like iron sights and red dots much better. I have more of an issue with movement while running, why can't mercs turn their hips!? lol |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:40:00 -
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+1 D Avenue.
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:53:00 -
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I currenty dont like it there are things I try to do and expect it to happen and nothing happens or wose the exact opposite. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:55:00 -
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I pretty much use Forge Guns, Shotguns, and SMG's, so they're all I have experience with - and overall I like it. Sometimes my Forge Gun shots don't register (or I don't get a hit marker) but that's fine, as hit detection is expected to be spotty on these poor test servers. If we still have issues like that when we are moved to Tranquility, then I'll start whining. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:58:00 -
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I whine now so it doesnt wind up on TQ. |
Regis Mark V
249
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Posted - 2012.08.10 21:00:00 -
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Raynor Ragna wrote:I'm wondering if most of the complaints about hit detection are just people whining that they aren't gods. I know there are hit detection issues but I think the majority of the complaints are people crying. Im excited about the movement effect of being hit. I'm irked that there isn't really any recoil when firing. That takes a lot of fun out of the fights. the ADS mechanic is a bit over-rated really. There should be a penalty on recoil when moving and firing. That penalty increases based on speed and whether your strafing.
We are in some advanced exoskelliton like suits so ADS shouldn't even be a thought for mercs.
Don't know what you're smoking but ADS means aim down sights! Why would there be more recoil when ADS compared to hip fire? |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.10 21:01:00 -
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Eh, I just report the bug, and wont really mind it unless it turns out to be something they are outright ignoring, rather than something they just aren't currently giving much comment on. We will certainly see hit detection improvements when we are moved to SiSi, I'll bet you that. |
Regis Mark V
249
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Posted - 2012.08.10 21:02:00 -
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Mike Gunnzito wrote:Medtronik wrote:Yeah, I can't believe ccp doesn't do everything how I want them to either! Just like that time I got this free car from the factory before they were done building it. They hadn't put the motor in it and it didn't have the wheels on it yet. I was so pissed off when I couldn't drive it home!!!1111!!one
Edit: Forgot to mention that my 3 year old son has more patience than some of the people on here. Makes me feel good about my parenting skills. Here's a better analogy. I was going to get this free car from the factory. During the design phase they showed me some drafts. It had square wheels on it, and a translucent windshield. I told them it was a bad idea, and that round wheels will make the car drive better. Also, a transparent windshield will make it easier to see out of, for driving. A month later, they produced a prototype for me to test drive. It had square wheels, and a translucent windshield... good news, is that they put in leather seats!
HA! |
Regis Mark V
249
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Posted - 2012.08.10 21:04:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:JonnyAugust wrote:Hit Detection is not even a 'known issue' RBS is still a 'skill' And they added black op tanks. This game should be called World of Tanks for PS3. Just sayin' And STILL people aren't happy! What the hell is it with you kids thinking the world owes you everything? Its not even an open beta yet you fool, its still in closed beta. There are several months to go before full release and at leaste another two builds. There is plenty of time to fix the STUPID AMOUNT of fixes that you all want fixed in a damn week. Ccp have private lives, wives, kids, social events, FRIENDS ETC. Not EVERYTHING revolves around nerfing a f***ing gun or whatever just because the noobs don't know how to use it. Certain things need tweaked I admit, but I get more fun from dust just on one map than I did with the full bf3 game........and stop saying this is broke and that is broke just because you want it to play out like mw3, it's NOT mw3 (thank F**K!) THINGS WILL BE FIXED OVER TIME............ONE STEP AT A TIME. This is not a full release game yet, so stop acting like it is!
Beta is six months old and hit detection was supposed to be fixed twice already. Also if you enjoy this cluster **** of a beta more tan BF3 retail you are bullshitting yourself. Also I'm sure no one here wants it to play like COD! |
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