With the 4x SP multiplier going away in the next build, I'm told that the SP gains are going to be such that the anti-grind still kicks in at the same SP amounts, but requires MUCH more time to reach. I, and many others, had been providing feedback to CCP on SP gains based on the understanding that a day of playing now to get ~2m SP will mean ~500k SP in the final game. If this is not the case I ask, no I beg, CCP to reconsider.

Under the current mechanics, a player can gain the majority, let's say 75%, of their SP for the day in 1-2 hours of play time. Playing an additional 8 hours on top of that can get that remaining 25%, running into a pretty harsh wall if you try to push past 2m SP in a single day. This means the gap between a player who can play the game for 1-2 hours a day, and a play who can play the game 10 hours a day, isn't that substantial.

As I understand it from speaking to players who have been in the beta since before the 4x multiplier was put in, the Anti-grind will kick in 4x as slow once at normal SP gains, meaning the majority of your SP is no longer gained in that first hour of play, but instead comes in during your first 4 hours of play. This is greatly increasing the gap between the player able to devote some time each night and the player who is playing 12 hours a day every day. I think this is a terrible move for the game, and so should you.

Please reconsider the way this works CCP, or correct me if I'm misunderstanding it...I pray that people I spoke to were just misinformed and CCP isn't creating a game where the only way to remain competitive is to play Dust 9-5 each day.

Nope just wrong... Quite to the contrary in fact... Its working as intended... Intention? Reward players for giving 1-2 hours of play daily, so that all players who can give AT LEAST this much time are roughly equal, players who wish to play more, by all means can and are encouraged to, but what wins you experience is NOT grinding on the game for days on end, but being regularly active in general...

So frankly your complaint is moot, if you like the game enough to play 10 hours a day GREAT, you'll be rewarded in ISK and connections, and by increasing your natural skill level. However, you won't pull drastically ahead of the guy who has a job, and can't devote his life to a video game, but still gets on and gives his one to two hours, because the game isn't designed to reward kids who live in their basements and have nothing better to do then play video games 24/7....

Not saying that your that kid necessarily, just saying this is what you would be promoting with the typical system...

He is saying that mechanic is based on SP gain totals not time. Now I don't know if he is correct but it seems at least plausible.

If it is based on a set number of SP that amount needs to be reduced to match the decrease in the amount of SP earned.

He is saying that mechanic is based on SP gain totals not time. Now I don't know if he is correct but it seems at least plausible.

If it is based on a set number of SP that amount needs to be reduced to match the decrease in the amount of SP earned.

I disagree.

CCP has set out to balance skill point acqusition for casual/consistant players and hardcore/grind players.

The model as it exists today does that. Hardcore grinders will still be able to and will have more SP then the casual gamer. As someone who has time on weekends and limited time during this hurts me more then it helps me. I just don't see a better system being offered up.

So since ccp is willing to listen to ideas, I suggest those have want a better system put forth one. Simply saying remove anti-grind reduction isn't the answer or would holding a QQ fest.

With the 4x SP multiplier going away in the next build, I'm told that the SP gains are going to be such that the anti-grind still kicks in at the same SP amounts, but requires MUCH more time to reach. I, and many others, had been providing feedback to CCP on SP gains based on the understanding that a day of playing now to get ~2m SP will mean ~500k SP in the final game. If this is not the case I ask, no I beg, CCP to reconsider.

Under the current mechanics, a player can gain the majority, let's say 75%, of their SP for the day in 1-2 hours of play time. Playing an additional 8 hours on top of that can get that remaining 25%, running into a pretty harsh wall if you try to push past 2m SP in a single day. This means the gap between a player who can play the game for 1-2 hours a day, and a play who can play the game 10 hours a day, isn't that substantial.

As I understand it from speaking to players who have been in the beta since before the 4x multiplier was put in, the Anti-grind will kick in 4x as slow once at normal SP gains, meaning the majority of your SP is no longer gained in that first hour of play, but instead comes in during your first 4 hours of play. This is greatly increasing the gap between the player able to devote some time each night and the player who is playing 12 hours a day every day. I think this is a terrible move for the game, and so should you.

Please reconsider the way this works CCP, or correct me if I'm misunderstanding it...I pray that people I spoke to were just misinformed and CCP isn't creating a game where the only way to remain competitive is to play Dust 9-5 each day.

I could only imagine the FPS tears if they did this though. I'm not a fan of dumbing things down for console players. I don't see it as a compliment.

i've only played dust for a little over a month and this character has more SP then my eve char which has been around for a little less then 2 years...

this isn't right.


so no, im fine with the SP being lowered

i'm certain the SP gain is based on games played. my first game is always the best/biggest. slowly going down thereafter. when we are at 1x SP you will see how slow it is to gain SP for everyone. you're not going to want to play long only earning 1k SP a game going 30/0...

+1 to the idea of reducing the anti-grind cap with the new build.

Those of us who have jobs cannot play for 10 hours a day. While I would love to do so Dust isn't going to pay for my mortgage.

I'd be fine with it like EVE is. That's the real anti-grind way. You get it flat-rate if you play or not. ISK you earn, if you don't blow it all, but SP would be the same for everyone.

I don't want to feel obligated to play every day or for X hours a day to "stay up" with the curve. That's such a huge redeeming thing about EVE. You want something.. you have to be patient.

I could only imagine the FPS tears if they did this though. I'm not a fan of dumbing things down for console players. I don't see it as a compliment.

This is the reason why I stopped playing EVE after the trial, after a while you end up paying $15 + one month to get that skill point. I'll just want to pay the $15 to get it and stuff waiting a month for it because your not earning the skill point just waiting and paying.

With other games you know to get that skill point you have to kill # of things, if it takes you one week or a month, it's up to you and your life commitments.

Also with that system if I start now I can never catch up to other players, they will always 2-3 years in front of me no matter what I do.