When you get your key, you agree to an NDA. When you download dust, you agree to an NDA. When you log in to dust, you agree to an NDA. Don't see the problem.

I know that already. What I'm trying to figure out is whether the NDA has been relaxed or lifted somewhat because of the flood of new players coming in. Also, not all of the 400,000 Eve subscribers have a PS3. So you can expect to see probably more than half of those codes being handed over to non-Eve players who may be more than willing post things about the beta to the public (be it intentionally or out of ignorance of the NDA).

Why on earth do you think there will be a flood of EvE players? The disdain they've already shown the PS3 community sums it up. EvElitist idiots that is. I can't see a flood of anyone showing up. At release people will be playing borderlands and black ops on ps3. I would of joined the pessimists club, but I doubt they'd let me.

Why on earth do you think there will be a flood of EvE players? The disdain they've already shown the PS3 community sums it up. EvElitist idiots that is. I can't see a flood of anyone showing up. At release people will be playing borderlands and black ops on ps3. I would of joined the pessimists club, but I doubt they'd let me.

People would still have to accept the NDA to take part in the Beta and the NDA's still in place at this time.

Thank you for answering the first question.

Now, what about the Aug 21st build? Will the NDA still be in effect at that time or will it be relaxed due to the direct link to the Singularity Test server?

The NDA would be in effect until an announcement is made saying that it's being lifted. I don't have a date to offer for when that may be, though.

Thanks again. Let us know as soon as you get the word.

For the record the singularity server is the EvE test server which while I do not know for certain but I would expect it to be covered under NDA since that is where they test unreleased build of EvE. Tranquility is the live EvE server.

Many games have public test servers. Now with that said, on Aug 21, DUST will be joined to the PUBLIC EVE test server which has no NDA - here's a link to Singularity's forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=271

But that doesn't mean the test server might see an NDA added to it. Nor does it mean the NDA for DUST is lifted since they are 2 separate games, just "linked" together for some functionality. For the "Matrix Online" beta testers, we were still under an NDA for 3 months AFTER (yes 3 MONTHS AFTER) the game officially released. Not saying CCP will do that, but it is possible.

mmmm borderlands 2.

I'm pretty pumped to kill skags in pandora again.

For the record the singularity server is the EvE test server which while I do not know for certain but I would expect it to be covered under NDA since that is where they test unreleased build of EvE. Tranquility is the live EvE server.

As another pointed out, SISI is a PUBLIC test server. The restricted ones are Chaos and Duality (which are either dev/BH-only, or are normally dev/BH-only but allow others during special events).

If it's on SISI, it's as good as public, as anyone with an active account at the time of the last database mirror can access it (that is, you were active when they mirrored, but have since let your subscription expire, you can STILL access it).

You can't really see anything on sisi.

All the sensitive information would be related to how the game feels and plays,
not the production price of certain weapons of vehicles, which really can't change much anyway.

The point of the NDA remains the same,anyone who is publishing info without CCP's consent is liable and can be sued for said.breach. While that will only apply to those who log onto their ps3 and download it. If it is there it gives CCP recourse do something about people who violate the agreement.

How many of you even read the whole thing anyway, I know I didn't but I did skim it and got most of the important info from it.

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Just because its on the same server doesn't mean we won't be separate somehow as they have announced virtually zero details as to who will be able to added the single star system and planet we have been playing on so far. Since they can move your ship from one system to another on that server if they choose to.

The point of an NDA is to limit those with access to information, so that how it looks during testing won't result in a negative image that hurts it later when it's changed completely.

By making it so that ABSOLUTELY ANYONE THAT WANTS ACCESS can see for themselves, they completely negate the purpose of an NDA. Sure, I can post it online for all to see, but I can sure as hell say "hey, you all interested in DUST? here's how you get in immediately, and you can see the problems." That statement doesn't breach NDA, and anyone that wants to can see it, and it calls attention to it SO people can see it.

Now I'm not saying Dust isn't good. All things considered, I think it's a great game so far. But at the end of the day, with the admission requirements they're setting, the purpose of an NDA is completely defeated. because when ANYONE can get access and see first hand, there's no point in saying you can't spread info. You don't need to, just invite a mate over, have him make a PSN account, and agree to the NDA when he logs in. ANYONE can see it with these terms, thus rendering an NDA pointless.

I'm not against NDAs, by the way. I simply recognize that with these changes the beta is no longer closed, and a NDA no longer serves it purpose: limiting information to those you wanted in. The new terms let ANYONE in.

Doesn't change the function or purpose of a Non Disclosure Agreement. Have you read the entire thing? I admit I did not but I skimmed through each section so that I would have a basic understanding of its terms.

Basically the first rule of fight club is you don't talk about fight club.
The second rule of fight club is you don't talk about fight club.
Outside of fight club that is.

That all it does is establish the fact that if talk about something in the beta outside of the beta or its forums they can do something about it if they want to, it's not some method to control access.

And that is the point they are a part of the beta and have the legal standing to have the info. Perhaps you are forgetting the hundreds of millions of people who don't have a PS3. Some of which may be competitors to CCP. Yes the more people with access the more people who will be willing to breach NDA. The NDA gives CCP the right to sue people for such an action if they so chose. Without that protection CCP would be in serious trouble and have nothing they could do about it.

Also they have also stated that it will remain in effect until further notice. Whether hotly think it has a point or not does not matter now does it. They are protecting themselves with a legal document.