DUST Search - NDA and More Eve Players [CCP, please read]

Geirskoegul wrote:

Bones1182 wrote:

The point of the NDA remains the same,anyone who is publishing info without CCP's consent is liable and can be sued for said.breach. While that will only apply to those who log onto their ps3 and download it. If it is there it gives CCP recourse do something about people who violate the agreement.

How many of you even read the whole thing anyway, I know I didn't but I did skim it and got most of the important info from it.

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Just because its on the same server doesn't mean we won't be separate somehow as they have announced virtually zero details as to who will be able to added the single star system and planet we have been playing on so far. Since they can move your ship from one system to another on that server if they choose to.

The point of an NDA is to limit those with access to information, so that how it looks during testing won't result in a negative image that hurts it later when it's changed completely.

By making it so that ABSOLUTELY ANYONE THAT WANTS ACCESS can see for themselves, they completely negate the purpose of an NDA. Sure, I can post it online for all to see, but I can sure as hell say "hey, you all interested in DUST? here's how you get in immediately, and you can see the problems." That statement doesn't breach NDA, and anyone that wants to can see it, and it calls attention to it SO people can see it.

Now I'm not saying Dust isn't good. All things considered, I think it's a great game so far. But at the end of the day, with the admission requirements they're setting, the purpose of an NDA is completely defeated. because when ANYONE can get access and see first hand, there's no point in saying you can't spread info. You don't need to, just invite a mate over, have him make a PSN account, and agree to the NDA when he logs in. ANYONE can see it with these terms, thus rendering an NDA pointless.

I'm not against NDAs, by the way. I simply recognize that with these changes the beta is no longer closed, and a NDA no longer serves it purpose: limiting information to those you wanted in. The new terms let ANYONE in.


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Bones1182 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 86	Posted - 2012.08.09 17:43:00 - [1] - Quote For the record the singularity server is the EvE test server which while I do not know for certain but I would expect it to be covered under NDA since that is where they test unreleased build of EvE. Tranquility is the live EvE server.
Bones1182 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 86	Posted - 2012.08.09 19:17:00 - [2] - Quote Naturi Riclenore wrote: Bones1182 wrote: For the record the singularity server is the EvE test server which while I do not know for certain but I would expect it to be covered under NDA since that is where they test unreleased build of EvE. Tranquility is the live EvE server. Many games have public test servers. Now with that said, on Aug 21, DUST will be joined to the PUBLIC EVE test server which has no NDA - here's a link to Singularity's forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=271 But that doesn't mean the test server might see an NDA added to it. Nor does it mean the NDA for DUST is lifted since they are 2 separate games, just "linked" together for some functionality. For the "Matrix Online" beta testers, we were still under an NDA for 3 months AFTER (yes 3 MONTHS AFTER) the game officially released. Not saying CCP will do that, but it is possible. Thank I was not sure since I have never done anything on that server. However I will go on to say that the population of that server is likely very limited since most people would rather play the actual game than a possibly broken future build.
Bones1182 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 86	Posted - 2012.08.09 20:48:00 - [3] - Quote The point of the NDA remains the same,anyone who is publishing info without CCP's consent is liable and can be sued for said.breach. While that will only apply to those who log onto their ps3 and download it. If it is there it gives CCP recourse do something about people who violate the agreement. How many of you even read the whole thing anyway, I know I didn't but I did skim it and got most of the important info from it. Edit Just because its on the same server doesn't mean we won't be separate somehow as they have announced virtually zero details as to who will be able to added the single star system and planet we have been playing on so far. Since they can move your ship from one system to another on that server if they choose to.
Bones1182 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 86	Posted - 2012.08.09 21:27:00 - [4] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Bones1182 wrote: The point of the NDA remains the same,anyone who is publishing info without CCP's consent is liable and can be sued for said.breach. While that will only apply to those who log onto their ps3 and download it. If it is there it gives CCP recourse do something about people who violate the agreement. How many of you even read the whole thing anyway, I know I didn't but I did skim it and got most of the important info from it. Edit Just because its on the same server doesn't mean we won't be separate somehow as they have announced virtually zero details as to who will be able to added the single star system and planet we have been playing on so far. Since they can move your ship from one system to another on that server if they choose to. The point of an NDA is to limit those with access to information, so that how it looks during testing won't result in a negative image that hurts it later when it's changed completely. By making it so that ABSOLUTELY ANYONE THAT WANTS ACCESS can see for themselves, they completely negate the purpose of an NDA. Sure, I can post it online for all to see, but I can sure as hell say "hey, you all interested in DUST? here's how you get in immediately, and you can see the problems." That statement doesn't breach NDA, and anyone that wants to can see it, and it calls attention to it SO people can see it. Now I'm not saying Dust isn't good. All things considered, I think it's a great game so far. But at the end of the day, with the admission requirements they're setting, the purpose of an NDA is completely defeated. because when ANYONE can get access and see first hand, there's no point in saying you can't spread info. You don't need to, just invite a mate over, have him make a PSN account, and agree to the NDA when he logs in. ANYONE can see it with these terms, thus rendering an NDA pointless. I'm not against NDAs, by the way. I simply recognize that with these changes the beta is no longer closed, and a NDA no longer serves it purpose: limiting information to those you wanted in. The new terms let ANYONE in. Doesn't change the function or purpose of a Non Disclosure Agreement. Have you read the entire thing? I admit I did not but I skimmed through each section so that I would have a basic understanding of its terms. Basically the first rule of fight club is you don't talk about fight club. The second rule of fight club is you don't talk about fight club. Outside of fight club that is. That all it does is establish the fact that if talk about something in the beta outside of the beta or its forums they can do something about it if they want to, it's not some method to control access.
Bones1182 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 86	Posted - 2012.08.09 23:12:00 - [5] - Quote And that is the point they are a part of the beta and have the legal standing to have the info. Perhaps you are forgetting the hundreds of millions of people who don't have a PS3. Some of which may be competitors to CCP. Yes the more people with access the more people who will be willing to breach NDA. The NDA gives CCP the right to sue people for such an action if they so chose. Without that protection CCP would be in serious trouble and have nothing they could do about it. Also they have also stated that it will remain in effect until further notice. Whether hotly think it has a point or not does not matter now does it. They are protecting themselves with a legal document.
Bones1182 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 86	Posted - 2012.08.10 12:56:00 - [6] - Quote It has been this open since they introduced the merc pack. The recent events changed very little. The NDA still gives them the right prosecute anyone they catch blatantly violating the NDA which I am sure their legal department has fully advised them on the pros and cons of leaving it place or removing it. I would have to bet those lawyers that CCP is paying know what they doing at least well enough and probably a lot better than you, the OP or myself. In short if lawyers tell them to leave it in place that is what they will do regardless of anything else as it will still.give them the ability to prosecute blatant breaches of the agreement which is all it ever did, no more no less.
Bones1182 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 86	Posted - 2012.08.10 13:38:00 - [7] - Quote That was kind of my point the entire time the question was answered and beyond that we are all just guessing. As to your other points. Without the NDA on what grounds would they be able to ban the idiots who breach the NDA so blatantly that it is easy to find and deal them, answer they would have very little. The NDA makes it easy for them to do so. Just because 400,000 can added the does not mean that they will not close of the systems in which the Dust battles are taking place and only allow certain individuals who agree to another NDA for the purposes of testing orbital strikes. I feel that they should not have opened the beta as much as they have but that has far more to do with IGN and the merc pack then the invites on EvE. Being as that if you are an EvE player who received a beta key and you registered your PSN account to the same e-mail address they could ban both if you manage to make them angry enough. The number or people still does negate the purpose of NDA it merely makes it more difficult to enforce, bit it will still function regardless of if the numbers actually reaches the millions, which I highly doubt it will. Just because something is difficult does not you should not try after all.
Bones1182 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 86	Posted - 2012.08.10 13:58:00 - [8] - Quote I can only hope the build lives up to the patch notes. I believe it will but I tend not to believe it until I see it. I cannot wait to see some of that stuff. I was hoping for laser rifles though :-( .