Mass driver, is a very weak weapon used by logi it needs a splash dmg buff and more ammo to make it more viable. On another thread I auggested a module that shows the trajectory of your weapon for most guns this will be a white line pointing out from their gun, however it would be useful for MD showing their trajectory.

Yeah I know I could of sworn I mention it as being a module you have to fit if you want the trajectory thing

I figured people be mad about the suggested forge gun nerf they usally are.

Considering there's basically no splash damage, you have to hit someone directly with the shot to kill them. There is also no sight of any sort, meaning you can zoom in, and the targeting "Crosshairs" are just a pillbox, meaning that your shot isn't even going to always go straight. Complaining about forge guns being used to snipe is like complaining you're getting picked off by a broken scopeless bolt action rifle fired from the hip from sniping range. Does it happen? Sure, people get lucky. But it's not an issue that needs to be addressed. I've been killed exactly twice by a forge gun while on foot during the entire beta, to me that doesn't constitute as abuse.

Making the swarm launcher a heavy weapon is also stupidly redundant. Forge guns are far more effective AV weapons than swarm launchers, so its pointless for a heavy to use a swarm launcher which does less damage, has less ammo, totally worthless against infantry, and has the disadvantage of travel time. Swarm Launchers offer a less effective AV solution for lighter units, which are not really meant to be AV Units, but they can double as one if needed. If you're gonna go heavy and want to do AV, bring the forge gun, the far superior weapon.

I don't see why people feel the need to fix things that aren't broken.

I have been on a few matchs were a forgegun gets on a building and spawn camps the defenders last spawn and getting a kill every time. Ive also played and been shot multiple times at medium range by a forge gun, its stops being luck after a.certian point they are av weapons it doesnt need to be accaurct to kill a tank. So even if they nerf the forge gun accaurcy enough to make it miss infintry but not vehicles then it shouldnt affect the fg ability to kill tanks.

I suggested that the SL get buffed up for heavy uses so the simple rocket launcher would fill its current role.

I think the forge gun has enough drawbacks to offset its lethality, when i get sniped in my dropsuit by a forge gun i got nuthin but respect for the gunner who could nail me with that big pig.

(on a side note the description for the forge gun says that it fires its kinetic penetrator at speeds in excess of 7,000 meters per second, that works out to around mach 20, or the speed of the now -retired space shuttle after it makes reentry, lol. :) )

Dunno about a targetting module for the mass driver, i wouldn't use them myself. Im actually better with the MD than with any other weapon, ARs included.

But then again i've been playing heavy in the Tribes series for the PC since 1999, I can nail just about anyone with the mortar in that game. (ive made moving flag cappers go boom at range.)

trajectory weapons in video games is just one of those things that I 'get' lol.

Other weapon work on both, av grenades for one. Sniper rifles, ar, and smg can take out dropships and lav. I have killed a few tanks with smg, including marauder. I killed enough one match a sagris ran from me chasing it with smg. I did most of damage to his last sagaris with av grenades just finished him with smg so it showered in kill feed, guy must of thought I had the smg of the gods way he ran away. I have also killed two dropships in a row with mass driver, took a lot of practice after seeing it done in a dust video ccp released. Mass driver can also take out tower camping dropships from ground, It can hit them from spots they can not return fire too.

I have been sniped by forge guns, the players that did it were very good players. Having used a forge gun, they had skills to pull off those shots.

Yes but the FG is the only one that can do it solo and consistantly, if they neref accaurcy and range on the FG it would still be able to kill infintry it just wouldnt be doing it as much.

Have you ever killed a tank at full health with a smg? Milita dont count those things are made of paper

If they nerf the accuracy at medium range how do you hit a tank at long range?

The answer is you wouldn't very often, since tanks move almost 3x the speed of almost any dropsuit(note thus only an estimate).

Also the forge gun is supposed to be effective at over half a mile against vehichles, meaning it can hit them reliably, once we have maps with a larger variety of areas or at least the old maps back you won't see as many infantry kills with the forge.

So again have you actually used the forge gun yet or are you still basing this on the fact that someone managed to kill you theory when you think it should not have?

Edit
If you put the point in your OP then it is a main topic of discussion.

at agnk ainst infintry I think that lowering the accaurcy at medium range to the point they cant hit infintry but can still hit vehicles would help, also I think they shpuld have a range lowered as well because sniping with a forge gun is an abuse of what the eapon was intended for.


The forge guns is the only heavy weapon worth investing in because on top of its insane AV killing power it CAN kill infintry regularly and consistantly. So why would a heavy want any other weapon if the FG can kill vehicles at any range and it can deal with infintry. The forge gun is better at killing infintry then the HMG which is wrong and it causes the hmg to not be used.

What im suggesting is to nerf the accaurcy ao that the forge gun is a useful AV tool at close and mid range. this would cause the Swarm to fill the other half of mid and long range which would cause AV people to choose between being a threat at range or being a threat up close. If the accaurcy is nerfed enough to miss infintry but not tanks at mid range(combined with the buff HMG also on this thread) would cause heavys to choose between AV or AP.

Then suggest something besides nerfing one of only two existing AV weapons. Come up with new options that fill the category you think they should. The forge would then most likely become relegated to.long range as it should be. Heavies move slow already give them.a forge they move slower still. Tanks move fast and deal more damage oh and can take a whole lot more damage. It just doesn't make sense when tanks are borderline OP in most situations and outright god like in others.

Range is the only thing that can save a forge gun wielding heavy. The turn speed and movement speed are to low for up cqc, and at mid range its to easy to loss sight of your target. The best way I have found to use the fg is to get a decently high vantage point and hope I can put enough rounds into the hav to kill it before it finds complete cover.

This exactly nerfing accuracy so that it is close to mid range is just horrible. This guy just doesn't like to be killed ny an AV weapon but suggests an RPG type that will ne used the exact same way to OHK infantry. So I just don't get it.

On the map how often do you use the forge for long range shot? Also the rpg would have 2 or 3 rounds max and would have dmg type for AV so yeah it might OHK normal it wont be used against infintry. I going to argue because I think it effect gameplay by making it a choice between forge and swarm and making it less useable vs infintry because an AV weapon doesnt need to be able to drop infintry its a AV weapon and shouldnt be so readily avalible to use vs infintry.

GM since this topic has gotten stuck with both sides using the same argument over and over and both sides showing no signs of changing opinions what do you think?

Gameplay>realism

However an AT4 is extremely effective against infantry if it hits them. BTW if you don't know the AT in AT4 stands for anti tank.

Oh yeah they are ridiculously accurate too, out to at least 1500 yards.

In reality it is a waste of ammo to fire an anti tank weapon at infantry its just too.damn expensive, BTW it still happens. This however is a video game.

Your RPG's could be refilled by a nano hive or supply depot, the problem still exists you just don't want to admit it.

Clearly we do need a dev or a gm to sort this out.

Your other ideas are at least worth a look but reducing the accuracy of the forge will make it almost worthless. Imagine firing at a moving tank and because now the accuracy is even lower than it already was you missed and he just ran your @ss over or used missiles to splash behind your cover. You go play someone in a fat suit and get close to a tank and see how many times you escape after he sees you. Make sure its a sagaris or a surya that way you win understand how hard those are to kill.

Well forge gun got nerfed if you die to it now it was almost pure luck on the part of the gunner. I would still recommend you test it out against tanks. Also don't stand still and try to snipe the forge user not at any range he can easily see you anyway.

Good luck out there.

Exactly, now Forge Gun is total crap, I will not skill it when game launch. They didn't touch splash but
they cut range - dramatically - now I'm not able to shot camping dropship on the tower. So big "yeaaa!" for everyone that cry on FG, now you will be constantly killed be DS that this time see you.

I think they fixed that to

Here is one for the forge gunners.

Don't need my... hrmm I mean the forge gun. They already have enough draw backs (low ammo, takes a few seconds to fire, and they are not as easy to aim as you may think).