hard to earn sp if you don't do anything .

At this point it takes no fps sklll to play. You are going to get killed by scrubs with tanks and dropships. You will get killed by people who have more armor than you unless they make awful mistakes.

This game is very much player skill, and team skill based. A guy running full proto can be easily taken out if a group of militias organize themselves against him. Sure a guy with 10x more SP than you have is going to be a tough target, but if you are better than him, and your team is better than him, you can beat the odds.

So true! I'm glad others realize this.

Funny how anyone not using an AR is a scrub. Sounds like you just lack the sense to change your tactics for different enemies.

@Tony Calif - Your math may be off. I think that's 60% trolling - or at least 20% misplaced anger. Sadly space shooters just don't sell well. The last two 'big' budget ones I recall (Edge of Chaos, Freespace 2) were in/around 2000 and despite being great games in themselves completely tanked :(

At this point it takes sklll to play. You are going to get killed by scrubs with tanks and dropships unless you learn to look up once in a while or fit accordingly. You will kill people who have more armour than you unless you make an awful mistake.

Only those grinding in tanks and dropships are labeled as scrubs and fps noobs

^EvE mentallity at its best. Just because you can counter something that is overpowered doesn't mean that thing should be so overpowered.

^EvE mentallity at its best. Just because you can counter something that is overpowered doesn't mean that thing should be so overpowered.

Tanks are suppose to be strong, people have upgraded the shields or armor to make up that way, if they spend all there time on one thing, they deserve to have something strong. Strongest tank I've seen took 7 or 8 forge gun shots to destroy, but it was destroyed. Just because you yourself can't destroy them doesn't mean they are over powered. To me people in vehicles are free kills. Also, I will say this again, Why do I come across like an EVE player when I have never played EVE. I'm just saying common sense.

You come across like an eve player because you say nooby stuff. It shouldn't take 7-8 forge gun shots to kill a tanks. Maybe 2-3.

This is the Future, Tanks have armor made out much different material then tanks are made of in real life, and these tanks have a thing called Shields which are pretty much a force field that negates damage done to the armor, and each hit the shield losses some power to it. So the longer you spend on increasing the Shields and armor, the more abuse the tanks can take. Just look at other futuristic stuff, for example Futuristic movies even have Shields/Force fields on there stuff and look how much it takes to destroy them. This game is no where near our age of technology with that kind of stuff. Plus, they don't even have all the AV equipment in this beta yet. And right now in the beta, vehicles don't have a stacking penalty so they can stack as much armor or shields onto their vehicles as they can. Which CCP is working on to fix it. So they will be weaker in the released game.

EDIT: But we are slowly getting there with the technology

This is the future AV weapons are more powerful... Your argument made my argument possible.

Mamaj, once grouping comes in things will be fine. You've got a decent crew to roll with, and I might come along for a while too. Don't worry until next build.

You come across like an eve player because you say nooby stuff. It shouldn't take 7-8 forge gun shots to kill a tanks. Maybe 2-3.

Personally just make tanks weak in the rear! If someone manages to get behind a tank it should take 1 or 2 shots from a swarm to the back to kill a tank.

This is war, there will have to be vehicle specialists in your Corp. I don't think people at war would just send infantry, both sides want to win, so they will do whatever it takes to win. And also there are things called Forge guns, Swarm Launchers and other AV Items. You aren't meant to be Jack of all Trades and be able to do everything yourself. Im a Forge Gunner and Vehicles don't get on my nerves at all because I destroy whatever vehicle I see. Thats where Teamwork and Corps. come into play, you are going to have a organized group of people of all the dropsuits and weapon types. If you are assault you focus on Infantry, Assault isn't something that would take down a tank by themselves.

No thanks. Tanks are made to take massive amounts of damage, weak spots are just a crutch for players that don't want to work together to complete a common goal.

No thanks. Tanks are made to take massive amounts of damage, weak spots are just a crutch for players that don't want to work together to complete a common goal.

Tanks should have weak points and maybe be a little stronger from everywhere else.

You as a tanker, need to have players work together to cover your flanks. Being aware of where the enemy is and keeping your front toward them is part of the skill of playing a tanker. You need to have situational awareness.

Think about it, if someone manages to get behind you, they've probably worked together to keep you distracted while someone else flanked you. Tanks should be called in for a reason and should have infantry support and/or gunners to help spot for you.

If you cant aim

You cant kill

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right now sp and gear is like 50% of ur ability to fight, actual fps skill isnt really the major factor due to everyone always standing or walking at you in the open spaming bullets ur way and anyone else has something that they can use to wipe u off the map, or vice versa, id say fps skill is only20% because it only really factors in when ur against someone using similar tactics to yours with similar gear, and luck is a good 30% because there is a such thing as no win senarios

Auto aim...KB&M...don't think it's too hard buddy.

Auto aim is currently a bug, expect it to be removed

Oh i never new KB+M aimed for you, why i shall just lay on the sofa and let the mouse do all the work while i make a waxwork of the Danish curling team

Personally just make tanks weak in the rear! If someone manages to get behind a tank it should take 1 or 2 shots from a swarm to the back to kill a tank.

Uh... Sure. Gear means something but not everything, you can still kill people with Militia gear who are using Proto stuff.

2 not 1
should also have a "disable" feature like BF3 once it reaches below a certain amount of armor it becomes disabled but the thing is how do u balance that with tanks that are armor tanking vs shield tanking ones.....

Bullshit! I have a new character made and can't stand to play because

1. my weapon shoots peas compared to proto weapons.

2. My militia suit is like paper to a proto gun especially if they have SP to increase the damage by 20%

3. There weapon also has more ammo.

4. The Have SP in decreasing recoil and spread.

5. LOL Creodron face it and you are dead if you wear a militia anything!

6. The proto suites shield regens way faster.

7. God forbid they have armor rep on the suit.

SP wins the game not skills. If you fall even a week behind you are screwed.

Hell even an unskilled or slightly skilled militia has no chance against a decent advanced setup.

tanks are so powerful simply because they have 3 men shooting missles and railguns at you constantly, if you wish to take one out . frankly i think tanks are a bit too powerful becauseof how strong there armour/shields can be added onto that 2 men shooting missles at you and one massive railgun all of wich can 1 shot anyone, i dont think any of the small turrets should be able to shoot behind the tank, wich still gives an ifantry man a chancento kill a tank as if he's tactical and gets behind a tank, he only has to deal with the main railgun, or the tank would have to turn giving the man time to run. tanks should be able to be taken out by 1 man, but not an easy task. in highsec where there is not going to be lots of teams of people all working together on mics, 1 proto tank could sit in highsec killing everything every match.

Correction auto aim is not a bug it is bugged! That's exactly how the dev said it. Auto aim is currently bugged at the moment!

Auto aim is currently a bug, expect it to be removed

Oh i never new KB+M aimed for you, why i shall just lay on the sofa and let the mouse do all the work while i make a waxwork of the Danish curling team

This is war, there will have to be vehicle specialists in your Corp. I don't think people at war would just send infantry, both sides want to win, so they will do whatever it takes to win. And also there are things called Forge guns, Swarm Launchers and other AV Items. You aren't meant to be Jack of all Trades and be able to do everything yourself. Im a Forge Gunner and Vehicles don't get on my nerves at all because I destroy whatever vehicle I see. Thats where Teamwork and Corps. come into play, you are going to have a organized group of people of all the dropsuits and weapon types. If you are assault you focus on Infantry, Assault isn't something that would take down a tank by themselves.

Well now you know.
KB&M is easier than auto aim.

KB+M is meh for me, prefer DS3

If you cant aim you wont kill fact

Neither the smg, shotgun, or hmg need aiming

Can I come play in your Universe?

Yep it's called hipfire land and i forgot the forge gun

Firing from the hip still requires aiming...

No it's not aiming it's turning the camerr

Smh it's not aiming unless you holding l1 otherwise it's hipfire

You seem to have a hard time understanding that hipfire still requires aiming... Since the concept is very simple I am unsure how to explain this better.

So by that same logic hipfiring with a sniper rifle is aiming

Indeed it is, Grasshopper.

It isn't aiming unless you're using l1

It isn't aiming unless you're using l1

So by that same logic hipfiring with a sniper rifle is aiming