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Derek Barnes wrote:

Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:

Derek Barnes wrote:

Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:

^EvE mentallity at its best. Just because you can counter something that is overpowered doesn't mean that thing should be so overpowered.

Tanks are suppose to be strong, people have upgraded the shields or armor to make up that way, if they spend all there time on one thing, they deserve to have something strong. Strongest tank I've seen took 7 or 8 forge gun shots to destroy, but it was destroyed. Just because you yourself can't destroy them doesn't mean they are over powered. To me people in vehicles are free kills. Also, I will say this again, Why do I come across like an EVE player when I have never played EVE. I'm just saying common sense.

You come across like an eve player because you say nooby stuff. It shouldn't take 7-8 forge gun shots to kill a tanks. Maybe 2-3.

This is the Future, Tanks have armor made out much different material then tanks are made of in real life, and these tanks have a thing called Shields which are pretty much a force field that negates damage done to the armor, and each hit the shield losses some power to it. So the longer you spend on increasing the Shields and armor, the more abuse the tanks can take. Just look at other futuristic stuff, for example Futuristic movies even have Shields/Force fields on there stuff and look how much it takes to destroy them. This game is no where near our age of technology with that kind of stuff. Plus, they don't even have all the AV equipment in this beta yet. And right now in the beta, vehicles don't have a stacking penalty so they can stack as much armor or shields onto their vehicles as they can. Which CCP is working on to fix it. So they will be weaker in the released game.

EDIT: But we are slowly getting there with the technology

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Saiibot Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2012.08.06 20:57:00 - [1] - Quote ??
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.06 20:59:00 - [2] - Quote Actual FPS skill is a major help factor. I can maintain the same kill death ratios with miltia gear as with my proto gear when it comes to the assault class.
Gelan Corbaine BetaMax. 103	Posted - 2012.08.06 20:59:00 - [3] - Quote hard to earn sp if you don't do anything .
Saiibot Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2012.08.06 21:04:00 - [4] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: hard to earn sp if you don't do anything . "grinding" IS doing something. It's racking up vast amounts of sp and isk for those "grinders" out there
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.06 21:09:00 - [5] - Quote This game is very much player skill, and team skill based. A guy running full proto can be easily taken out if a group of militias organize themselves against him. Sure a guy with 10x more SP than you have is going to be a tough target, but if you are better than him, and your team is better than him, you can beat the odds.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.06 21:12:00 - [6] - Quote I just think of it as... reward for playing more. Thank you for being a loyal customer for a week, here pick a new perk level!
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.06 21:39:00 - [7] - Quote At this point it takes no fps sklll to play. You are going to get killed by scrubs with tanks and dropships. You will get killed by people who have more armor than you unless they make awful mistakes.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.06 21:47:00 - [8] - Quote ^ lolno
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.06 21:55:00 - [9] - Quote FPS skill is a huge factor. SP just tips the scales. Higher lvl gear tips it a bit more. I've given up worrying about the gap. I'll get levelled. Get my gear. And hang out with people who have done the same. And grow my snobbery to match my epeen. And wreck the game for all the low lvl guys. Yay for EvE (40%troll40%truth20%hatredforEvEbecauseitkilledwingcommanderstylegames)
Saiibot Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:06:00 - [10] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: At this point it takes no fps sklll to play. You are going to get killed by scrubs with tanks and dropships. You will get killed by people who have more armor than you unless they make awful mistakes. So true! I'm glad others realize this.

Saiibot Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:09:00 - [11] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: This game is very much player skill, and team skill based. A guy running full proto can be easily taken out if a group of militias organize themselves against him. Sure a guy with 10x more SP than you have is going to be a tough target, but if you are better than him, and your team is better than him, you can beat the odds. Not necessarily true. At this point it takes no fps sklll to play. You are going to get killed by scrubs with tanks and dropships. You will get killed by people who have more armor than you unless they make awful mistakes most of the time.
Sephoran Griffith Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 96	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:10:00 - [12] - Quote Saiibot wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: At this point it takes no fps sklll to play. You are going to get killed by scrubs with tanks and dropships. You will get killed by people who have more armor than you unless they make awful mistakes. So true! I'm glad others realize this. Funny how anyone not using an AR is a scrub. Sounds like you just lack the sense to change your tactics for different enemies.
pjster long Doomheim 28	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:12:00 - [13] - Quote I think that if you get a skill to help you shoot better, it would be something like increased auto aim ness... if you know what I mean. Like if you are 1 inch away and you have fps skilled up to 3 you will hit your enemy.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:12:00 - [14] - Quote Mmm.. Grind. Oh wait this is a serious thread, no? Well if you cannot take the heat; get out of the kitchen. XD Ha-ha.
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:18:00 - [15] - Quote Sucks to be a religious sniper like me in their eyes. Equips are cheap though.
Saiibot Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:19:00 - [16] - Quote Sephoran Griffith wrote: Saiibot wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: At this point it takes no fps sklll to play. You are going to get killed by scrubs with tanks and dropships. You will get killed by people who have more armor than you unless they make awful mistakes. So true! I'm glad others realize this. Funny how anyone not using an AR is a scrub. Sounds like you just lack the sense to change your tactics for different enemies. Only those grinding in tanks and dropships are labeled as scrubs and fps noobs
Just Bad Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:22:00 - [17] - Quote @Tony Calif - Your math may be off. I think that's 60% trolling - or at least 20% misplaced anger. Sadly space shooters just don't sell well. The last two 'big' budget ones I recall (Edge of Chaos, Freespace 2) were in/around 2000 and despite being great games in themselves completely tanked :(
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:38:00 - [18] - Quote Just Bad wrote: @Tony Calif - Your math may be off. I think that's 60% trolling - or at least 20% misplaced anger. Sadly space shooters just don't sell well. The last two 'big' budget ones I recall (Edge of Chaos, Freespace 2) were in/around 2000 and despite being great games in themselves completely tanked :( All of the Mass Effects sold great.
Just Bad Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2012.08.06 22:48:00 - [19] - Quote @ Debacle Nano - True but that's not a space shooter in the sense I was referring to them in that was a reply to Tony mentioning Wing Commander. It was an in the cockpit shooting down baddies in other space fighters type affair. Great in it's time but apparently that entire genre was too niche to survive increasing development costs over the years.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.06 23:27:00 - [20] - Quote Best thing I've found is Black Prophecy (shameless plug for a quality game) dead developers and gamigo are letting it die. But it's a laugh, and PvP is awesome (3rd person can is very useful). New people join up a lot, but rage quit. They actualy mention in their advertising that other than having space ships it's not a lot like EvE. In truth it was FPS where people went for their combat games, not EvE. Oh and mass effect QQ the biggest pile of hype ever. "fly your space ship" they said. LIES!!! Anyway, Black prophecy has the best graphics of any game ever in the history of space. Anyway... We should keep on topic High hand eye coordination games which include a levelling / gear system which leaves noobs at a major disadvantage, has to be very careful. Add the AUR items, (CCP are a bunch of Thukkers for that nade) and you've got even more to keep busy with. We'll see, months until release (I hope).

Degren Cthulhu Bragian Order Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:24:00 - [21] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: At this point it takes sklll to play. You are going to get killed by scrubs with tanks and dropships unless you learn to look up once in a while or fit accordingly. You will kill people who have more armour than you unless you make an awful mistake. fixed it for ya:)
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:31:00 - [22] - Quote ^EvE player mentality... this is an fps not a point and click
Degren Cthulhu Bragian Order Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:45:00 - [23] - Quote yes i do play eve, but only because of dust which would make me about 5% EVEtard:)
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:45:00 - [24] - Quote Saiibot wrote: Sephoran Griffith wrote: Saiibot wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: At this point it takes no fps sklll to play. You are going to get killed by scrubs with tanks and dropships. You will get killed by people who have more armor than you unless they make awful mistakes. So true! I'm glad others realize this. Funny how anyone not using an AR is a scrub. Sounds like you just lack the sense to change your tactics for different enemies. Only those grinding in tanks and dropships are labeled as scrubs and fps noobs This is war, there will have to be vehicle specialists in your Corp. I don't think people at war would just send infantry, both sides want to win, so they will do whatever it takes to win. And also there are things called Forge guns, Swarm Launchers and other AV Items. You aren't meant to be Jack of all Trades and be able to do everything yourself. Im a Forge Gunner and Vehicles don't get on my nerves at all because I destroy whatever vehicle I see. Thats where Teamwork and Corps. come into play, you are going to have a organized group of people of all the dropsuits and weapon types. If you are assault you focus on Infantry, Assault isn't something that would take down a tank by themselves.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:48:00 - [25] - Quote ^EvE mentallity at its best. Just because you can counter something that is overpowered doesn't mean that thing should be so overpowered.
Regis Mark V 249	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:55:00 - [26] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: ^EvE mentallity at its best. Just because you can counter something that is overpowered doesn't mean that thing should be so overpowered. Dust doesn't take skill it takes skills!
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.08.07 00:56:00 - [27] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: ^EvE mentallity at its best. Just because you can counter something that is overpowered doesn't mean that thing should be so overpowered. Tanks are suppose to be strong, people have upgraded the shields or armor to make up that way, if they spend all there time on one thing, they deserve to have something strong. Strongest tank I've seen took 7 or 8 forge gun shots to destroy, but it was destroyed. Just because you yourself can't destroy them doesn't mean they are over powered. To me people in vehicles are free kills. Also, I will say this again, Why do I come across like an EVE player when I have never played EVE. I'm just saying common sense.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:01:00 - [28] - Quote Derek Barnes wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: ^EvE mentallity at its best. Just because you can counter something that is overpowered doesn't mean that thing should be so overpowered. Tanks are suppose to be strong, people have upgraded the shields or armor to make up that way, if they spend all there time on one thing, they deserve to have something strong. Strongest tank I've seen took 7 or 8 forge gun shots to destroy, but it was destroyed. Just because you yourself can't destroy them doesn't mean they are over powered. To me people in vehicles are free kills. Also, I will say this again, Why do I come across like an EVE player when I have never played EVE. I'm just saying common sense. You come across like an eve player because you say nooby stuff. It shouldn't take 7-8 forge gun shots to kill a tanks. Maybe 2-3.
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:07:00 - [29] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Derek Barnes wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: ^EvE mentallity at its best. Just because you can counter something that is overpowered doesn't mean that thing should be so overpowered. Tanks are suppose to be strong, people have upgraded the shields or armor to make up that way, if they spend all there time on one thing, they deserve to have something strong. Strongest tank I've seen took 7 or 8 forge gun shots to destroy, but it was destroyed. Just because you yourself can't destroy them doesn't mean they are over powered. To me people in vehicles are free kills. Also, I will say this again, Why do I come across like an EVE player when I have never played EVE. I'm just saying common sense. You come across like an eve player because you say nooby stuff. It shouldn't take 7-8 forge gun shots to kill a tanks. Maybe 2-3. This is the Future, Tanks have armor made out much different material then tanks are made of in real life, and these tanks have a thing called Shields which are pretty much a force field that negates damage done to the armor, and each hit the shield losses some power to it. So the longer you spend on increasing the Shields and armor, the more abuse the tanks can take. Just look at other futuristic stuff, for example Futuristic movies even have Shields/Force fields on there stuff and look how much it takes to destroy them. This game is no where near our age of technology with that kind of stuff. Plus, they don't even have all the AV equipment in this beta yet. And right now in the beta, vehicles don't have a stacking penalty so they can stack as much armor or shields onto their vehicles as they can. Which CCP is working on to fix it. So they will be weaker in the released game. EDIT: But we are slowly getting there with the technology
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.07 01:16:00 - [30] - Quote Derek Barnes wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Derek Barnes wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: ^EvE mentallity at its best. Just because you can counter something that is overpowered doesn't mean that thing should be so overpowered. Tanks are suppose to be strong, people have upgraded the shields or armor to make up that way, if they spend all there time on one thing, they deserve to have something strong. Strongest tank I've seen took 7 or 8 forge gun shots to destroy, but it was destroyed. Just because you yourself can't destroy them doesn't mean they are over powered. To me people in vehicles are free kills. Also, I will say this again, Why do I come across like an EVE player when I have never played EVE. I'm just saying common sense. You come across like an eve player because you say nooby stuff. It shouldn't take 7-8 forge gun shots to kill a tanks. Maybe 2-3. This is the Future, Tanks have armor made out much different material then tanks are made of in real life, and these tanks have a thing called Shields which are pretty much a force field that negates damage done to the armor, and each hit the shield losses some power to it. So the longer you spend on increasing the Shields and armor, the more abuse the tanks can take. Just look at other futuristic stuff, for example Futuristic movies even have Shields/Force fields on there stuff and look how much it takes to destroy them. This game is no where near our age of technology with that kind of stuff. Plus, they don't even have all the AV equipment in this beta yet. And right now in the beta, vehicles don't have a stacking penalty so they can stack as much armor or shields onto their vehicles as they can. Which CCP is working on to fix it. So they will be weaker in the released game. EDIT: But we are slowly getting there with the technology This is the future AV weapons are more powerful... Your argument made my argument possible.



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