Butthurt that Proto killed him 13 times in 1 game. If you think players like Proto aren't hot property, you are in for a shocking awakening when grouping is enabled. I might even play Logi to support the beast when I'm on the US server, because the latency screws me. Can't wait to see all the top players in a team, actually repairing each other and playing properly.

Lecturing about teamwork and lonewolfing in a beta that lacks any functional grouping mechanic and defaults voice chat to the "off" position is stupid. Proto went 45/2 on you guys basically playing alone, you really think he's not going to complete the mission once he can party up with 4 or 5 other guys just like him? Stupid thread is stupid. Also he probably got more ISK/SP for losing than anyone on the winning team.

Ok, you guys are coming from the idea that there is going to be matches like CoD, battlefield, or Halo. You also are coming from the idea that all matches are Team Deathmatches. Matches that the highest score wins. No in this gameboys. In this game there are objectives that you must complete to finish the mission and get paid. It's that simple. You need to alter your thought of how this game is plaid.

I'd like to present to everyone the highest k/dr in my last match. xprotoman23 with a 45/2. I also will say that he managed to kill me 13 times out of the 16 deaths I had. But, your team still lost lmao. For as good at shooting you are you just can't do teamwork. You just can't complete the mission.

When Dust goes live, there is no isk for showing up. No isk for the number of kills you make. All the corporation that put out the contract cares about is you completing the contract. And that is something you can't handle. You put all that energy in and can't finish.

lol someone is soooo madddddddd

\We've all been playing the same skirmish map for the last 5 weeks, fully aware of how to win a match. I'm just saying you're dumb if you think the same guy that can go 45/2 with very little team support can't do the same thing while capping all the objectives once he can get in a team of guys he can co-ordinate with, or that such a person won't be important to an organized team.

Hardly seems fair to place the blame of the loss on one player -- certainly calling him out like this smacks of a unhealthy interest in one player.

Ok, you guys are coming from the idea that there is going to be matches like CoD, battlefield, or Halo. You also are coming from the idea that all matches are Team Deathmatches. Matches that the highest score wins. No in this gameboys. In this game there are objectives that you must complete to finish the mission and get paid. It's that simple. You need to alter your thought of how this game is plaid.

lol someone is soooo madddddddd

facebricking so hard right now TBQH IMVHO

1. all those 3 games have objectives based gamemodes.......have u even played any of those?
2. mindlessly charging into an objective to repeatedly die IS NOT FFS PLAYING THE OBJECTIVE OR BEING A TEAM PLAYER. Learn to clear the area and have a free zone to cap the obj not rush in and cap and die halfway through the hack or get killed and have the enemy rehack

has it ever occured to u that proto is playing the "slayer" role on his teams? because he knows hes prob the best killer in that 12 map randomly selected group he takes on the job of clearing a path so those that cant handle themselves well enough in a gun fight or hold off multiple foes can have safety capping the objs

PS: when grouping is added u will see him play the obj alot more and not just the slayer role as he will actually have ppl he can trust to cover his ass and use proper teamwork. A FPS is very simple, if u think DUST is complicated or the game mode is complicated then u need ur brain examined, there is nothing about skirmish that is more complicated than any other simple objective based modes in other games

lol someone is soooo madddddddd

It doesn't bother me at all how many times I die as long as the mission gets completed. Now I understand it may bother you as you need that self gratification to make you feel special. That's just something I don't need.

Adding K/D in any game encourages to people to play less for the obj and just focus on kills. Some people care way too much about that stuff. I don't know the guy so I dunno if he is a smart player or just a campy one.

@Crimson, It doesn't bother me at all how many times I die as long as the mission gets completed. Now I understand it may bother you as you need that self gratification to make you feel special. That's just something I don't need.

You are obviously mad or you wouldn't have ran to the forums crying about how the person who killed you 13 times is "not a team player. On a beta where most people don't use mics and there is no grouping.

LOL@U

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@Th3rdSun, everytime I'd turn around he was there. It was getting really annoying. Felt like a had a stalker

This dude has no gun game. He tried bunny hopping and throwing grenades at me. He had no idea what to do when I would just charge at him.

Right there is the common misunderstanding, payment. The common belief amongst FPSers is that no matter what you get paid. Well, you don't. Why would a corp pay you for loosing? So it doesn't matter how good you are at killing if you can't complete the mission.

Right there is the common misunderstanding, payment. The common belief amongst FPSers is that no matter what you get paid. Well, you don't. Why would a corp pay you for loosing? So it doesn't matter how good you are at killing if you can't complete the mission.

protoman is actually a good teamplayer, it is sad that most of the time he just doesn't have a team.

And why would a corporation employ you if you're not profitable?

Sure, the contracting party couldn't care less what it costs you, the fee is agreed in advance -- but if you spend 150,000 ISK on fits and vehicles, but only earn 140,000, the whole endeavor was pointless.

Dying lots does not guarantee success; neither does killing, but I certainly know which of those two is the more preferable from a CEO's perspective.

Do you even know how a contract works? Corp A puts out a contract wanting a merc corp to take a factory district on some planet for 1m isk. You, the leader or contract negotiator, decide to except the contract.

Outcome 1: You lose the battle. Corp A does not pay you.
Outcome 2: You win the battle and the corp gets paid 1m isk.

Now how you divide that up is dependent on how your corp is setup. And if the corp spent 1.2m isk on the battle then that is your problem and not the highering corp.

I started typing out a lengthy response explaining everything about what the game will hopefully be like but it would be totally wasted on fools like you.

while i agree that explaining the game on tony would be wasted (he is in tony land after all)

calling the beta testers all fools probably wasnt your smartest move especially from the guy who died 16 times in a match no matter who else was on the other team.

instead of trying to make a thread trashing proto cause ur team managed to hold on to the win while being handicapped by your sorry ass you need to take a good long look at why you got killed 16 times and change something.

that sounds alot like butthurt

u mad bro?

while i agree that explaining the game on tony would be wasted (he is in tony land after all)

calling the beta testers all fools probably wasnt your smartest move especially from the guy who died 16 times in a match no matter who else was on the other team.

instead of trying to make a thread trashing proto cause ur team managed to hold on to the win while being handicapped by your sorry ass you need to take a good long look at why you got killed 16 times and change something.

Ishukone SMG is beast.

Kill too many people your labeled as a spawn camper
Try to win a game and your told "chill out dude it's only a beta"

+1 holding objectives don't mean dying a lot or am i doing something wrong...

facebricking so hard right now TBQH IMVHO

1. all those 3 games have objectives based gamemodes.......have u even played any of those?
2. mindlessly charging into an objective to repeatedly die IS NOT FFS PLAYING THE OBJECTIVE OR BEING A TEAM PLAYER. Learn to clear the area and have a free zone to cap the obj not rush in and cap and die halfway through the hack or get killed and have the enemy rehack

has it ever occured to u that proto is playing the "slayer" role on his teams? because he knows hes prob the best killer in that 12 map randomly selected group he takes on the job of clearing a path so those that cant handle themselves well enough in a gun fight or hold off multiple foes can have safety capping the objs

PS: when grouping is added u will see him play the obj alot more and not just the slayer role as he will actually have ppl he can trust to cover his ass and use proper teamwork. A FPS is very simple, if u think DUST is complicated or the game mode is complicated then u need ur brain examined, there is nothing about skirmish that is more complicated than any other simple objective based modes in other games

@theQube, in you second part of your statement yes but the first sentence you contradicted yourself.

nah, your on track.

The OP's first post was about 10% misplaced good intention and 40% QQ and 50% unintentional self-degradation.

Thanks and i was being sarcastic

Also the self degradation seems more around 70 percent

Wasnt the OP the guy who said that MMORPGs were hardcore?

HAHAHAHA

@theQube, in you second part of your statement yes but the first sentence you contradicted yourself.

@theshizogenious, not mad, tired just woke up and not enough coffee. Secondly, I didn't call the beta testers all fools nor did I imply it.

Thanks and i was being sarcastic

Also the self degradation seems more around 70 percent

"will be totally wasted on fools like you"

i may just be slow but tht sounds like you calling us fools

Sometimes self degradation can aid oneself but in this case it just back fired.

this really is a nonsensical QQ thread

Not my fault I got stuck with a bunch of idiot randoms and still managed to put up a proper defense with the support of a team.

dont make yourself look like a douche here....depends what particular game your talking alluding to and your definition of hardcore

Its a QQ thread disguised as a thread about teamwork.

Let me elaborate, Something along the lines of:
"MMORPGs, like eve takes more skill than a FPS and you cant handle it"


...Cause we all know that mining its so difficult. Or crafting, or warping, OH MY.

And no, grinding doesnt equal skill. Just to be clear.

Let me elaborate, Something along the lines of:
"MMORPGs, like eve takes more skill than a FPS and you cant handle it"


...Cause we all know that mining its so difficult. Or crafting, or warping, OH MY.

And no, grinding doesnt equal skill. Just to be clear.

Sometimes self degradation can aid oneself but in this case it just back fired.

Bah, just made a fresh pot of coffee but instead of only 4 cups of water I used my usual 6 cups. Now I have watered down coffee. This sux.

I wrote that? Link please because I don't remember writing it.

sigh....you did make yourself look like a douche even after fair warning...

skill or not, your playing a game made by the same exact company that made EVE, who is putting much of what is in EVE into this game...

there are different skill sets for different games. An eve player might not be as fast with a gun, but they might be a whole lot better than you in aspects relating to EVE gameplay.

Im not defending EVE, but your showing yourself to be ignorant here.

"And why would a corporation employ you if you're not profitable?"

This statement implies that a corporation will not higher you because you don't make a profit when in fact, they don't care as long as you complete the contract. Corps will not higher you if you have signs of not putting effort into completing the contract.

QQ militia grind fest woot woot.
Anyone worried about going into the red, join a corp with better / equal players, and just try to get better on release. At whatever parts of the game you AREN'T good at. You don't need to become anything incredible but same SP, same kinda player, I'll take the medic Logi who can go 1-1 instead of 0-1. Even just getting assists is cool, and I REALLY think assists should be on the scoreboard. I remember playing the 2nd half of a clan match and going 2 kills 2 deaths and 72 assists in MAG.

I believe there should be and are thing that allow you to earn even when you fail a contract. Like how killing HAV's earns you stacks. And and Dust corp will just ask for money up front or atleast a portion of it. Don't wanna pay? We'll go stomp nOObs or assault drones instead.

I'd like to present to everyone the highest k/dr in my last match. xprotoman23 with a 45/2. I also will say that he managed to kill me 13 times out of the 16 deaths I had. But, your team still lost lmao. For as good at shooting you are you just can't do teamwork. You just can't complete the mission.

When Dust goes live, there is no isk for showing up. No isk for the number of kills you make. All the corporation that put out the contract cares about is you completing the contract. And that is something you can't handle. You put all that energy in and can't finish.

the QQ will be plentiful when there is grouping

I hate to be honest with you all but... there is a point to be made against both parties... You know who's going to win the most matches? The best RTS commander with the most cooperative team... Plain and simple... Knowing how to move units on a field regardless of strength to counter and oppose, mitigate, distract, or avoid, is going to be the key to this game...

High K/D ratio guys like Proto will be outstanding and incredibly useful members to a team, if they can accept taking orders from a really good commander who can see the battlefield better then them, and properly co-ordinate... If on the other hand he truly is lone wolf, or if it turns out ALL the top players are lone wolfs (Which I severely doubt), then they will ONLY dominate if they are on a team together...

Team work is a force multiplier, if you have a bunch of incompetent idiots in militia gear who coordinate well against the top guys in the game with no coordination, multiplication of very little force against massive uncoordinated force will probably still result in the elite players winning... HOWEVER, if its even close, or if the players are of average or moderate skill but outstanding with teamwork, while the elite are just a rabble that don't work with each other at all, a very skilled commander can still win that battle...

So frankly... OP has a point, but not so far as this post was clearly made with hatred of K/D players... On the split side if I'm a commander and I know these K/D players will listen to me? Any day of the week I'll recruit them over the militia crew of equal cooperation and dramatically less skill...

A few good players like Proto WILL be a benefit when you have a coordinated team who know what they're doing and what part of the mission is their job.

A good core - maybe as many as half the team - of dedicated K/D-oriented players, backed by a couple of good healers who can also play the objectives, and some decent vehicle drivers, with maybe a K/D guy and an objective player in each vehicle. THAT sounds like my dream team - and guess what? It has guys like Proto in it. Much as I can't enjoy his playstyle (even in a game where I can run 10-0 or better, I prefer to focus on a support role), I appreciate the value of it - EVEN in objective-based game modes. Just like people appreciated me in War for Cybertron TDM with a 1-7 K/D.

A few good players like Proto WILL be a benefit when you have a coordinated team who know what they're doing and what part of the mission is their job.

A good core - maybe as many as half the team - of dedicated K/D-oriented players, backed by a couple of good healers who can also play the objectives, and some decent vehicle drivers, with maybe a K/D guy and an objective player in each vehicle. THAT sounds like my dream team - and guess what? It has guys like Proto in it. Much as I can't enjoy his playstyle (even in a game where I can run 10-0 or better, I prefer to focus on a support role), I appreciate the value of it - EVEN in objective-based game modes. Just like people appreciated me in War for Cybertron TDM with a 1-7 K/D.

I know of clans who had 2.0 or better KDR requirements and still had dedicated repair men and medics or vehicle drivers. What would you rather have a medic who goes 10-25 or one who can go 15-4? Same question applies for repairmen.

A medic or a repair man who can stay alive longer is much more beneficial to the team.

Just because you are in a wheelchair doesn't mean you have to suck it up.


A good player will get a good KDR handicapped or not.

Huh whos in a wheel chair?