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Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.05 18:57:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Sojuro Ryo wrote:1. Don't think I'm putting all players down with high k/dr. Just the ones that go around bragging about it like Proto here. 2. I played all three of those games and a heck of a lot more. I played multiplayer fps games back when you had to do a LAN party to do it.
@Th3rdSun, everytime I'd turn around he was there. It was getting really annoying. Felt like a had a stalker
@Crimson, It doesn't bother me at all how many times I die as long as the mission gets completed. Now I understand it may bother you as you need that self gratification to make you feel special. That's just something I don't need. You are obviously mad or you wouldn't have ran to the forums crying about how the person who killed you 13 times is "not a team player. On a beta where most people don't use mics and there is no grouping. LOL@U This dude has no gun game. He tried bunny hopping and throwing grenades at me. He had no idea what to do when I would just charge at him.
Most of the time I didn't even see you until it was too late. Didn't know who killed me till I looked at the message. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:06:00 -
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Sojuro Ryo wrote:Right there is the common misunderstanding, payment. The common belief amongst FPSers is that no matter what you get paid. Well, you don't. Why would a corp pay you for loosing? So it doesn't matter how good you are at killing if you can't complete the mission. The common misconception is that being good at killing=/=completing the mission or playing the objective.
Fail logic. |
theQube
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:08:00 -
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Sojuro Ryo wrote:Right there is the common misunderstanding, payment. The common belief amongst FPSers is that no matter what you get paid. Well, you don't. Why would a corp pay you for loosing? So it doesn't matter how good you are at killing if you can't complete the mission. And why would a corporation employ you if you're not profitable?
Sure, the contracting party couldn't care less what it costs you, the fee is agreed in advance -- but if you spend 150,000 ISK on fits and vehicles, but only earn 140,000, the whole endeavor was pointless.
Dying lots does not guarantee success; neither does killing, but I certainly know which of those two is the more preferable from a CEO's perspective. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:10:00 -
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William HBonney wrote:protoman is actually a good teamplayer, it is sad that most of the time he just doesn't have a team.
Ishukone SMG is beast.
Kill too many people your labeled as a spawn camper Try to win a game and your told "chill out dude it's only a beta"
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:13:00 -
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Let me try and salvage the thread here guys....
#1 - Pretty much everyone here agrees that in corp battles/skirmish, K/D doesnt simply win the battle, you need to PTO and utilize teamwork.
#2 - Proto, in general, tends to be an above average player. Just because he has a high K/D at the end of the match does not mean he doesnt cap or help his team. You actually have no way of knowing this at all since there are no endgame stats to prove your accusations.
#3 - Any corp worth its salt will know to clear an area before capping. Being good at pew pewing obviously helps in this regard. Great corporations, if they dont already have everyone playing at a high level, will probably have a designated fireteam whose job is to focus on slaying while others play a more supportive role or focus on objectives. Proto will probably be used in this way in his corp while my corp will have God Nova and stlcarlos989. |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:16:00 -
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theQube wrote:Sojuro Ryo wrote:Right there is the common misunderstanding, payment. The common belief amongst FPSers is that no matter what you get paid. Well, you don't. Why would a corp pay you for loosing? So it doesn't matter how good you are at killing if you can't complete the mission. And why would a corporation employ you if you're not profitable? Sure, the contracting party couldn't care less what it costs you, the fee is agreed in advance -- but if you spend 150,000 ISK on fits and vehicles, but only earn 140,000, the whole endeavor was pointless. Dying lots does not guarantee success; neither does killing, but I certainly know which of those two is the more preferable from a CEO's perspective.
Do you even know how a contract works? Corp A puts out a contract wanting a merc corp to take a factory district on some planet for 1m isk. You, the leader or contract negotiator, decide to except the contract.
Outcome 1: You lose the battle. Corp A does not pay you. Outcome 2: You win the battle and the corp gets paid 1m isk.
Now how you divide that up is dependent on how your corp is setup. And if the corp spent 1.2m isk on the battle then that is your problem and not the highering corp. |
theQube
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:20:00 -
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Sojuro Ryo wrote:theQube wrote:Sojuro Ryo wrote:Right there is the common misunderstanding, payment. The common belief amongst FPSers is that no matter what you get paid. Well, you don't. Why would a corp pay you for loosing? So it doesn't matter how good you are at killing if you can't complete the mission. And why would a corporation employ you if you're not profitable? Sure, the contracting party couldn't care less what it costs you, the fee is agreed in advance -- but if you spend 150,000 ISK on fits and vehicles, but only earn 140,000, the whole endeavor was pointless. Dying lots does not guarantee success; neither does killing, but I certainly know which of those two is the more preferable from a CEO's perspective. Do you even know how a contract works? Corp A puts out a contract wanting a merc corp to take a factory district on some planet for 1m isk. You, the leader or contract negotiator, decide to except the contract. Outcome 1: You lose the battle. Corp A does not pay you. Outcome 2: You win the battle and the corp gets paid 1m isk. Now how you divide that up is dependent on how your corp is setup. And if the corp spent 1.2m isk on the battle then that is your problem and not the highering corp. Nothing you've just said negates what I wrote -- in fact, it fully supports it. |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:21:00 -
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Sojuro Ryo wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Butthurt that Proto killed him 13 times in 1 game. If you think players like Proto aren't hot property, you are in for a shocking awakening when grouping is enabled. I might even play Logi to support the beast when I'm on the US server, because the latency screws me. Can't wait to see all the top players in a team, actually repairing each other and playing properly. I started typing out a lengthy response explaining everything about what the game will hopefully be like but it would be totally wasted on fools like you.
that sounds alot like butthurt
u mad bro?
while i agree that explaining the game on tony would be wasted (he is in tony land after all)
calling the beta testers all fools probably wasnt your smartest move especially from the guy who died 16 times in a match no matter who else was on the other team.
instead of trying to make a thread trashing proto cause ur team managed to hold on to the win while being handicapped by your sorry ass you need to take a good long look at why you got killed 16 times and change something. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:23:00 -
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theschizogenious wrote:while i agree that explaining the game on tony would be wasted (he is in tony land after all)
yes
theschizogenious wrote:calling the beta testers all fools probably wasnt your smartest move especially from the guy who died 16 times in a match no matter who else was on the other team.
instead of trying to make a thread trashing proto cause ur team managed to hold on to the win while being handicapped by your sorry ass you need to take a good long look at why you got killed 16 times and change something.
yes |
vermacht Doe
93
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:24:00 -
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theschizogenious wrote:Sojuro Ryo wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Butthurt that Proto killed him 13 times in 1 game. If you think players like Proto aren't hot property, you are in for a shocking awakening when grouping is enabled. I might even play Logi to support the beast when I'm on the US server, because the latency screws me. Can't wait to see all the top players in a team, actually repairing each other and playing properly. I started typing out a lengthy response explaining everything about what the game will hopefully be like but it would be totally wasted on fools like you. that sounds alot like butthurt u mad bro? while i agree that explaining the game on tony would be wasted (he is in tony land after all) calling the beta testers all fools probably wasnt your smartest move especially from the guy who died 16 times in a match no matter who else was on the other team. instead of trying to make a thread trashing proto cause ur team managed to hold on to the win while being handicapped by your sorry ass you need to take a good long look at why you got killed 16 times and change something.
+1 holding objectives don't mean dying a lot or am i doing something wrong... |
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Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:26:00 -
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@theQube, in you second part of your statement yes but the first sentence you contradicted yourself.
@theshizogenious, not mad, tired just woke up and not enough coffee. Secondly, I didn't call the beta testers all fools nor did I imply it. |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:28:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:William HBonney wrote:protoman is actually a good teamplayer, it is sad that most of the time he just doesn't have a team. Ishukone SMG is beast. Kill too many people your labeled as a spawn camper Try to win a game and your told "chill out dude it's only a beta"
The one thing I wont call you is a spawn camper. You get around too much for that. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:28:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:theschizogenious wrote:Sojuro Ryo wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Butthurt that Proto killed him 13 times in 1 game. If you think players like Proto aren't hot property, you are in for a shocking awakening when grouping is enabled. I might even play Logi to support the beast when I'm on the US server, because the latency screws me. Can't wait to see all the top players in a team, actually repairing each other and playing properly. I started typing out a lengthy response explaining everything about what the game will hopefully be like but it would be totally wasted on fools like you. that sounds alot like butthurt u mad bro? while i agree that explaining the game on tony would be wasted (he is in tony land after all) calling the beta testers all fools probably wasnt your smartest move especially from the guy who died 16 times in a match no matter who else was on the other team. instead of trying to make a thread trashing proto cause ur team managed to hold on to the win while being handicapped by your sorry ass you need to take a good long look at why you got killed 16 times and change something. +1 holding objectives don't mean dying a lot or am i doing something wrong... nah, your on track.
The OP's first post was about 10% misplaced good intention and 40% QQ and 50% unintentional self-degradation. |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:28:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Sojuro Ryo wrote:Ok, you guys are coming from the idea that there is going to be matches like CoD, battlefield, or Halo. You also are coming from the idea that all matches are Team Deathmatches. Matches that the highest score wins. No in this gameboys. In this game there are objectives that you must complete to finish the mission and get paid. It's that simple. You need to alter your thought of how this game is plaid. facebricking so hard right now TBQH IMVHO 1. all those 3 games have objectives based gamemodes.......have u even played any of those? 2. mindlessly charging into an objective to repeatedly die IS NOT FFS PLAYING THE OBJECTIVE OR BEING A TEAM PLAYER. Learn to clear the area and have a free zone to cap the obj not rush in and cap and die halfway through the hack or get killed and have the enemy rehack has it ever occured to u that proto is playing the "slayer" role on his teams? because he knows hes prob the best killer in that 12 map randomly selected group he takes on the job of clearing a path so those that cant handle themselves well enough in a gun fight or hold off multiple foes can have safety capping the objs PS: when grouping is added u will see him play the obj alot more and not just the slayer role as he will actually have ppl he can trust to cover his ass and use proper teamwork. A FPS is very simple, if u think DUST is complicated or the game mode is complicated then u need ur brain examined, there is nothing about skirmish that is more complicated than any other simple objective based modes in other games
i think we are all in agreement that the op is ********.
on a seperate note i cant wait for grouping even to a small scale think of how much fun itll be to have a 8v8 faceoff when the grouping starts up.
even though it wont be a huge brawl if youve got a logi guy who can rez/heal on both sides you could have an interesting showdown. |
theQube
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:28:00 -
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Sojuro Ryo wrote:@theQube, in you second part of your statement yes but the first sentence you contradicted yourself. Explain, please. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:30:00 -
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Oh yeah?! I threw this thread on the ground! |
vermacht Doe
93
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:30:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:theschizogenious wrote:Sojuro Ryo wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Butthurt that Proto killed him 13 times in 1 game. If you think players like Proto aren't hot property, you are in for a shocking awakening when grouping is enabled. I might even play Logi to support the beast when I'm on the US server, because the latency screws me. Can't wait to see all the top players in a team, actually repairing each other and playing properly. I started typing out a lengthy response explaining everything about what the game will hopefully be like but it would be totally wasted on fools like you. that sounds alot like butthurt u mad bro? while i agree that explaining the game on tony would be wasted (he is in tony land after all) calling the beta testers all fools probably wasnt your smartest move especially from the guy who died 16 times in a match no matter who else was on the other team. instead of trying to make a thread trashing proto cause ur team managed to hold on to the win while being handicapped by your sorry ass you need to take a good long look at why you got killed 16 times and change something. +1 holding objectives don't mean dying a lot or am i doing something wrong... nah, your on track. The OP's first post was about 10% misplaced good intention and 40% QQ and 50% unintentional self-degradation.
Thanks and i was being sarcastic
Also the self degradation seems more around 70 percent |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:32:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Thanks and i was being sarcastic
Also the self degradation seems more around 70 percent
Ah, how could i have been so foolish? Thanks for the correction in ma numbahs. |
Surtur Reaperson
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:34:00 -
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Wasnt the OP the guy who said that MMORPGs were hardcore?
HAHAHAHA |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:37:00 -
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"And why would a corporation employ you if you're not profitable?"
This statement implies that a corporation will not higher you because you don't make a profit when in fact, they don't care as long as you complete the contract. Corps will not higher you if you have signs of not putting effort into completing the contract.
Here all I wanted to do was screw with Proto. Sorry dude, you just happened to be the target. Family is gone to a funeral so no one around here to **** off. Coming out of this just as bored as when I created this thread. |
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:38:00 -
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Surtur Reaperson wrote:Wasnt the OP the guy who said that MMORPGs were hardcore?
HAHAHAHA
dont make yourself look like a douche here....depends what particular game your talking alluding to and your definition of hardcore |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:39:00 -
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Sojuro Ryo wrote:@theQube, in you second part of your statement yes but the first sentence you contradicted yourself.
@theshizogenious, not mad, tired just woke up and not enough coffee. Secondly, I didn't call the beta testers all fools nor did I imply it.
"will be totally wasted on fools like you"
i may just be slow but tht sounds like you calling us fools |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:40:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:
Thanks and i was being sarcastic
Also the self degradation seems more around 70 percent
Sometimes self degradation can aid oneself but in this case it just back fired.
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Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:41:00 -
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theschizogenious wrote:Sojuro Ryo wrote:@theQube, in you second part of your statement yes but the first sentence you contradicted yourself.
@theshizogenious, not mad, tired just woke up and not enough coffee. Secondly, I didn't call the beta testers all fools nor did I imply it. "will be totally wasted on fools like you" i may just be slow but tht sounds like you calling us fools
Only if you're like Tony. Are you? |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:41:00 -
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Sojuro Ryo wrote:Sometimes self degradation can aid oneself but in this case it just back fired.
why yes, yes it did. |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:44:00 -
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Don't know why I do such stupid things when I'm tired. I know better. Just can't help myself though. |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:45:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:lol someone is soooo madddddddd this really is a nonsensical QQ thread Not my fault I got stuck with a bunch of idiot randoms and still managed to put up a proper defense with the support of a team.
Its a QQ thread disguised as a thread about teamwork.
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Surtur Reaperson
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:48:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Surtur Reaperson wrote:Wasnt the OP the guy who said that MMORPGs were hardcore?
HAHAHAHA dont make yourself look like a douche here....depends what particular game your talking alluding to and your definition of hardcore Let me elaborate, Something along the lines of: "MMORPGs, like eve takes more skill than a FPS and you cant handle it"
...Cause we all know that mining its so difficult. Or crafting, or warping, OH MY.
And no, grinding doesnt equal skill. Just to be clear. |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:52:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:lol someone is soooo madddddddd this really is a nonsensical QQ thread Not my fault I got stuck with a bunch of idiot randoms and still managed to put up a proper defense with the support of a team. Its a QQ thread disguised as a thread about teamwork.
If you look at the first thread you'll notice I complemented him on his shooting skill. No degrading him on that by calling him a spawn camper or anything else. So there was absolutely no whining. Where you ppl get that I have no idea. |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:54:00 -
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Surtur Reaperson wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Surtur Reaperson wrote:Wasnt the OP the guy who said that MMORPGs were hardcore?
HAHAHAHA dont make yourself look like a douche here....depends what particular game your talking alluding to and your definition of hardcore Let me elaborate, Something along the lines of: "MMORPGs, like eve takes more skill than a FPS and you cant handle it" ...Cause we all know that mining its so difficult. Or crafting, or warping, OH MY. And no, grinding doesnt equal skill. Just to be clear.
I wrote that? Link please because I don't remember writing it. |
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