DUST Search - DUST should have Kill Streaks

Lieutenant Boxoffire wrote:

Finn Kempers wrote:

Haha this is actually funny, let me clear things up.
Before one goes on, CoD did not invent FPS, MMOFPS or multiplayer gaming in general, DOOM did. DOOM (yes it's meant to be caps keeping to true nature) had the first clean FPS (because Wolfenstein 3D is more a experiment) and it had the first multi-player, played so much universities banned it from clogging up their bandwidth.
Also those going on about how CoD promotes skill, it doesn't, go play some OP Flashpoint or Arma. 'Quickscoping' in its own right is not in any way possible. This is why you can't do it in Dust (trust me I have the best in-game sniper the Ishukone) where sniping works correctly, where sniper shots have to be set up to get anyone.
Kill-streaks in themselves don't work in Dust, no EVE player will give a crap about you getting many kills so they'll give you free stuff, they want your money in their hand, so good luck convincing them while they think of you as bunnies or carebears.
A bonus for getting a lot of WP when those mechanics are sorted out could work, but its not necessary, if anything I just want old-school shout-out that I'm or someone else is burning your rear-end with a flame-thrower.
Also before you ask yes I have played CoD I played from 1 up to BO and got VERY bored by end of it so I switched to BF which is more fun.

Sorry but your 'gun game' means nothing when rucdoc is facing you with his Sagaris Pirate

Ah, good old DOOM and Quake days. Now those are good run and gun FPS games. CoD's nothing compared to them even if they do use the same base engines. I hope id makes DOOM 4 soon. I'm not completely sure, but I heard rumors that they are working on it.

Oh ya and I highly disagree about killstreaks, unless it's mild SP or ISK bonuses.

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Lieutenant Boxoffire 0	Posted - 2012.08.02 17:10:00 - [241] - Quote Finn Kempers wrote: Haha this is actually funny, let me clear things up. Before one goes on, CoD did not invent FPS, MMOFPS or multiplayer gaming in general, DOOM did. DOOM (yes it's meant to be caps keeping to true nature) had the first clean FPS (because Wolfenstein 3D is more a experiment) and it had the first multi-player, played so much universities banned it from clogging up their bandwidth. Also those going on about how CoD promotes skill, it doesn't, go play some OP Flashpoint or Arma. 'Quickscoping' in its own right is not in any way possible. This is why you can't do it in Dust (trust me I have the best in-game sniper the Ishukone) where sniping works correctly, where sniper shots have to be set up to get anyone. Kill-streaks in themselves don't work in Dust, no EVE player will give a crap about you getting many kills so they'll give you free stuff, they want your money in their hand, so good luck convincing them while they think of you as bunnies or carebears. A bonus for getting a lot of WP when those mechanics are sorted out could work, but its not necessary, if anything I just want old-school shout-out that I'm or someone else is burning your rear-end with a flame-thrower. Also before you ask yes I have played CoD I played from 1 up to BO and got VERY bored by end of it so I switched to BF which is more fun. Sorry but your 'gun game' means nothing when rucdoc is facing you with his Sagaris Ah, good old DOOM and Quake days. Now those are good run and gun FPS games. CoD's nothing compared to them even if they do use the same base engines. I hope id makes DOOM 4 soon. I'm not completely sure, but I heard rumors that they are working on it. Oh ya and I highly disagree about killstreaks, unless it's mild SP or ISK bonuses.
Lieutenant Boxoffire 0	Posted - 2012.08.02 17:17:00 - [242] - Quote Finn Kempers wrote: Cless Vallein wrote: Wow, rants about wanting quick scoping. How stupid! Quickscoping is such a joke and a cheap exploit. The only reason people quick scope, besides the instant kill it gives, was because they couldn't run around with anything other than that big ass scope to look down, blocking off all peripheral view. Now look at bf3, hell you can run with the iron sites if you want and no real quickscoping that i've ever seen. That's mainly because with BF3 using iron sights makes you zoom in a lot faster, as per expected. The bigger the scope, the longer it takes. Hence why you don't get quickscopers with x12 sights slapped on their SV98 which really doesn't work at CQC. Then again, that doesn't really mean you are quickscopping. Just because I shot someone with a shotgun in a QS manner (shooting right when the irons line up) doesn't make it a quickscope. Quickscoping IMO does take 'skill' but isn't hard at all, in fact the accepted way for QSing now adays is pure luck. If you can see the crosshairs just for a split second it's called hard scoping... Which doesn't even make sense :/
lorrenzo nub2 Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance 3	Posted - 2012.08.02 22:41:00 - [243] - Quote kill streaks should give a extra points imo or maybe extra isk , or an energy rush that lets your stamina regenerate faster for a short time but no strikes or other crap like that ...
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.08.02 23:07:00 - [244] - Quote Dust should have no form of rewards for KDR or anything else during a match. Dust is about success in organised military campaigns. Dust is about getting paid to complete a contract. Dust is not about getting a quick fix of adrenaline because you just got 3 head shots. You want that? Don't play Dust.
Mcfons knapperd Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2012.08.02 23:23:00 - [245] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: What innovation? name one thing that is unique in this game and ill name five that do the same and two that do it better Hooking up a Console MMO to a PC MMO for better or for worse, DUST style. Alternatively, MAG sized battles for a Console (I realize that DUST does not do this, but this is an example of innovation in today's world). /standing ovation. Dust == not an avarage shooter, its just FPS at its core, it should not ever try to be like another FPS. Though on topic. Killstreak rewards are a horrible idea for the following reasons: - Snowball effect: Giving more free firepower to a player that is obliterating the enemy will give make a one man army, it does not support team gaming and will snowball as the enemy team will be quickly pushed into a corner. - Its like magicly summoning stuff. Go into the army, stabbing 3 people will not give you a UAV drone, and stabbing 25 will not give you a nuke/MOAB. If it did we would be living Fallout style atm. - It will ruin corp battles. Corp battles balance should be based on the funds and support given to it, not on how many killstreaks you can make. - It supports run and gun solo play. May i remind you its a team based game........ - It is unfair since heavy's tend to have less player kills and more vehicle kills. They put themselfs in heavier dangers then assaults. So its easy to predict assault/scout vs vehicle battles if this is ever implemented. Though I probably come up with even more reasons, I realy don't see the point. Horrible idea please lock this thread again and delete it. And to OP, its either some good old fassion trolling or your stupid beyond believe, please for the love of god research what kind of game your playing. PS If CCP needs to learn from any game (If any) it would be BF3 looking at the vehicle play and team based objectives. And then still it would only be a small portion of the mechanics. Oh and again this is not an avarage shooter for 6 months untill the next installment comes out.
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.08.02 23:30:00 - [246] - Quote My head....is so full of **** from this idea. Just, no.
Mcfons knapperd Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:01:00 - [247] - Quote Lieutenant Boxoffire wrote: Finn Kempers wrote: Haha this is actually funny, let me clear things up. Before one goes on, CoD did not invent FPS, MMOFPS or multiplayer gaming in general, DOOM did. DOOM (yes it's meant to be caps keeping to true nature) had the first clean FPS (because Wolfenstein 3D is more a experiment) and it had the first multi-player, played so much universities banned it from clogging up their bandwidth. Also those going on about how CoD promotes skill, it doesn't, go play some OP Flashpoint or Arma. 'Quickscoping' in its own right is not in any way possible. This is why you can't do it in Dust (trust me I have the best in-game sniper the Ishukone) where sniping works correctly, where sniper shots have to be set up to get anyone. Kill-streaks in themselves don't work in Dust, no EVE player will give a crap about you getting many kills so they'll give you free stuff, they want your money in their hand, so good luck convincing them while they think of you as bunnies or carebears. A bonus for getting a lot of WP when those mechanics are sorted out could work, but its not necessary, if anything I just want old-school shout-out that I'm or someone else is burning your rear-end with a flame-thrower. Also before you ask yes I have played CoD I played from 1 up to BO and got VERY bored by end of it so I switched to BF which is more fun. Sorry but your 'gun game' means nothing when rucdoc is facing you with his Sagaris Ah, good old DOOM and Quake days. Now those are good run and gun FPS games. CoD's nothing compared to them even if they do use the same base engines. I hope id makes DOOM 4 soon. I'm not completely sure, but I heard rumors that they are working on it. Oh ya and I highly disagree about killstreaks, unless it's mild SP or ISK bonuses. Tbh I hope they leave DOOM alone. Don't get me wrong I loved DOOM and god UT 1999 is one of my all time fav's. But neither of those games got better in any shape or form with their modern day counterparts. They were great inovations of our time but they have no place in the future unless they go back to the original formula, and even then I realy doubt it will work seeing that most people have been spoiled by easy as **** modern games.
Mcfons knapperd Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:09:00 - [248] - Quote Dalton Smithe wrote: Abner Kalen wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: If you want KS like cod, the mechanics to be like cod, and for it to look like cod Maybe you should play cod COD is the reason Dust exists. COD is what everyone will compare to Dust. COD is a success because it's a damn good game and has extremely solid FPS gameplay mechanics. The goal is to attract COD players to Dust, not the other way around. COD is garbage. I played it and moved on. COD is not the reason Dust exists, Eve Online is the reason Dust exists. COD uses the same tired game-play from the get-go. Get-kills-for-killstreak-rewards-and-nuke-the-other-team-because-I-can. And half the matches I played people were boosting so there was no real definition of skill. I do not want Dust to turn into a garbage game. Just because a bunch of children(who really shouldn't be playing the game in the first place MA rating and all) doesn't mean it's a good game. Yeah pretty much, but the real reason that COD and Halo and friends are doing so well is because they are casual FPS games. They support short solo player matches, making it easy for anyone to just join and play for 15min. Those with a busy life, or not that knowledgable about gaming will ofcourse be drawn to it. Hardcore games like EVE, Counter Strike, World of warcraft 6 years ago, BF, ect. are real hardcore games and this is aiming to be one too. I have seen so many self proclaimed hardcore players try to play counter strike 1.6 comming from a COD:MW2 'hardcore clan'. And the amount of 'hax' spam is just hilarious.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:13:00 - [249] - Quote I was around for those days as well, and understand where the few of us come from. Played Unreal Tournament even tried to play enough to get into some of the championships, or even regionals. Too young, and not enough time. I played Quake, and enjoyed HEX for a short time. Some of the first person shooters I would consider to fit the genre though would be Wolfenstein, and Star Wars. My grandfather had a copy for his Atari, and while it was just lines, and triangles (mainly) I think that could be consider an arcade FPS game. Still a lot of fun. I miss Unreal Tournament, and DOOM. However I have a problem with their developers. Huge problems. Epic Games has gone from one of my most trusted developers to one of the worst, most stuck up, asanine fools in the industry. They blame everyone, but themselves, and have practically implied in recent years that they are nothing short of infallible. Talk about egotistical. Plus they have turned their backs on the platform that allowed them to become who they are today. They've stated they have no desire to publish for the PC anymore. Because, of qoute on qoute "piracy" for their lack of sales. Then you have ID software.... Where to begin. I think RAGE sums up how I feel about them, and how much they have declined. Another developer who feels they are infallible, and unable to produce games, or even average games at best. No, no! Blame "piracy" is their go to excuse. ... Yeah. I have great fond memories of the older games, and nostalgia can play in on them, but honestly while I have hopes for return titles I do not want them. They'd suck horribly, and be nothing short of a hollow shell of what they used to be. That is the truth, and it something happening all to often in this industry. Overly ego centric developers, and publishers feel they are incapable of doing wrong, or making a bad game. Of course not.. (<-- Sarcasm)
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:16:00 - [250] - Quote Mcfons knapperd wrote: Dalton Smithe wrote: Abner Kalen wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: If you want KS like cod, the mechanics to be like cod, and for it to look like cod Maybe you should play cod COD is the reason Dust exists. COD is what everyone will compare to Dust. COD is a success because it's a damn good game and has extremely solid FPS gameplay mechanics. The goal is to attract COD players to Dust, not the other way around. COD is garbage. I played it and moved on. COD is not the reason Dust exists, Eve Online is the reason Dust exists. COD uses the same tired game-play from the get-go. Get-kills-for-killstreak-rewards-and-nuke-the-other-team-because-I-can. And half the matches I played people were boosting so there was no real definition of skill. I do not want Dust to turn into a garbage game. Just because a bunch of children(who really shouldn't be playing the game in the first place MA rating and all) doesn't mean it's a good game. Yeah pretty much, but the real reason that COD and Halo and friends are doing so well is because they are casual FPS games. They support short solo player matches, making it easy for anyone to just join and play for 15min. Those with a busy life, or not that knowledgable about gaming will ofcourse be drawn to it. Hardcore games like EVE, Counter Strike, World of warcraft 6 years ago, BF, ect. are real hardcore games and this is aiming to be one too. I have seen so many self proclaimed hardcore players try to play counter strike 1.6 comming from a COD:MW2 'hardcore clan'. And the amount of 'hax' spam is just hilarious. HALO causal lol

Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:27:00 - [251] - Quote I'm not sure how I feel about agreeing with, ReGnUm, but I have to sort of agree. I do not feel one can call Halo casual. If that is the case you might as well start listing Counter Strike as casual. For the record -- CS1.6 and CS:S are not casual. Overly reveled, and cherished in a drunken stooper of nostalgia? Sure. Crazed fanbase? Yup. Casual? Nope. I'll hand it to Bungie though. When they wrote the codes for Halo they really put they're all into it. They barely touched the underlying code work for Halo since the original. The guts and behind the curtain coding is solid.
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:44:00 - [252] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Mcfons knapperd wrote: Dalton Smithe wrote: Abner Kalen wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: If you want KS like cod, the mechanics to be like cod, and for it to look like cod Maybe you should play cod COD is the reason Dust exists. COD is what everyone will compare to Dust. COD is a success because it's a damn good game and has extremely solid FPS gameplay mechanics. The goal is to attract COD players to Dust, not the other way around. COD is garbage. I played it and moved on. COD is not the reason Dust exists, Eve Online is the reason Dust exists. COD uses the same tired game-play from the get-go. Get-kills-for-killstreak-rewards-and-nuke-the-other-team-because-I-can. And half the matches I played people were boosting so there was no real definition of skill. I do not want Dust to turn into a garbage game. Just because a bunch of children(who really shouldn't be playing the game in the first place MA rating and all) doesn't mean it's a good game. Yeah pretty much, but the real reason that COD and Halo and friends are doing so well is because they are casual FPS games. They support short solo player matches, making it easy for anyone to just join and play for 15min. Those with a busy life, or not that knowledgable about gaming will ofcourse be drawn to it. Hardcore games like EVE, Counter Strike, World of warcraft 6 years ago, BF, ect. are real hardcore games and this is aiming to be one too. I have seen so many self proclaimed hardcore players try to play counter strike 1.6 comming from a COD:MW2 'hardcore clan'. And the amount of 'hax' spam is just hilarious. HALO causal lol yes casual compared with the games he's hopefully played. he's 16 years young and had the pleasure of playing some of the best games made to date. before halo. im 16 too or thereabouts. lol.
Frank Devine ZionTCD Legacy Rising 107	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:47:00 - [253] - Quote I cant believe we are still talkin g about this, talk about beating a dead horse. Kill steaks are for COD end of topic.
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:51:00 - [254] - Quote now get rid of killcount, i know it'll never happen because players demand it, but it's only because they are conditioned to think that way.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:54:00 - [255] - Quote Draco Dustflier wrote: Longshot Ravenwood wrote: In a match: 5 Kill streak (infantry) = AI mocks you (It took you long enough to figure out which way to point that thing). 15 Kill streak (vehicle) = AI mocks you (Congratulations, you now officially know how to ride around in a tritanium can.) 15 Kill streak (infantry) = AI asks (Running low on ammo yet?) and highlights the closest friendly nano hive/supply depot. 25 Kill streak (no hacks in a skirmish game mode, objectives have been controlled by enemy for over 50% of game duration) = AI mocks you (You do know that you're supposed to help capture objectives, right?) 25 Kill streak = AI teases you (Aren't we the little avatar of death.) Out of match: Keep track of highest kill streak on character sheet. Add in corresponding medals/awards that have no gameplay value, but can be displayed to other players. This could work like advertisements for the Gladiator thing And if you haven't played EVE before you don't realize what you're missing. The single most memorable part of death in the game isn't losing your ship, your implants, or getting bumped back to the facility that holds your insurance policy. It's the AI's mocking laughter. I'd love to see that same mockery added for achievements! Something to help push you a little further or to make you laugh at yourself.
Sw3RvE 25	Posted - 2012.08.03 00:59:00 - [256] - Quote Hobos-N-Guns wrote: How about letting the game develope on its own with no outside influence from other fps games. We don't need another COD since one already exists. exactly. you can all shove those kill streaks where the sun dont shine. im not playing dust because its like call of duty. if you want kill streaks... go play a game that has kill streaks. i know you kill streak beggers wont be playing the new counter strike thats for damn sure.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:01:00 - [257] - Quote I want oldschool killstreaks showing up in the kill feed
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:06:00 - [258] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=xJ-jy8t54aI&NR=1 SO HALO is casual???? better play any ranked playlist on H3 at 50 and say its casual play any arena match on onyx and say HR is causal The only reason you say HALO causal is because you have the skill set of causal player. BTW I have a CS source North american championship on my GAMING BELT, so dont talk to me like I know nothing about hardcore shooters
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:14:00 - [259] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=xJ-jy8t54aI&NR=1 SO HALO is casual???? better play any ranked playlist on H3 at 50 and say its casual play any arena match on onyx and say HR is causal The only reason you say HALO causal is because you have the skill set of causal player. BTW I have a CS source North american championship on my GAMING BELT, so dont talk to me like I know nothing about hardcore shooters You know I was agreeing with you, and I still do. However when you start pulling the whole wannabe pro, or gamer cred in the form of some egotistical nonesense such as gaming awards I have to laugh at you. Sure you got an award. Congratulations. Would you like a star sticker to go with it? That is how I feel towards the whole situation. If you are really into the whole situation go for it. Pulling it out like it's some form of elitism or a way to valldate your life is only harming you though. Cool it with the theatrics alright? Just sayin'. Calm down. I still agree that Halo is not casual though. (Not trying to be a jerk, or vex ya'. Just pointing out the obvious here.)
Yun Vulgaris 8	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:37:00 - [260] - Quote If you don't like an idea, just ignore it, people. Don't let it float to the top of the forums. Ironic bump.

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:38:00 - [261] - Quote Yun Vulgaris wrote: If you don't like an idea, just ignore it, people. Don't let it float to the top of the forums. Ironic bump. agreed, just let the thread die. i only said that since it was on top anyway.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:47:00 - [262] - Quote Agreed, the talk about kill streaks makes this look sane... Lurchasaurus wrote: Yun Vulgaris wrote: If you don't like an idea, just ignore it, people. Don't let it float to the top of the forums. Ironic bump. agreed, just let the thread die. i only said that since it was on top anyway.
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.08.03 01:51:00 - [263] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=xJ-jy8t54aI&NR=1 SO HALO is casual???? better play any ranked playlist on H3 at 50 and say its casual play any arena match on onyx and say HR is causal The only reason you say HALO causal is because you have the skill set of causal player. BTW I have a CS source North american championship on my GAMING BELT, so dont talk to me like I know nothing about hardcore shooters so casual its was never worth playing. play the real deal or gtfo not a cheap rip off.
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.08.04 20:03:00 - [264] - Quote Cpl Quartz wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=xJ-jy8t54aI&NR=1 SO HALO is casual???? better play any ranked playlist on H3 at 50 and say its casual play any arena match on onyx and say HR is causal The only reason you say HALO causal is because you have the skill set of causal player. BTW I have a CS source North american championship on my GAMING BELT, so dont talk to me like I know nothing about hardcore shooters so casual its was never worth playing. play the real deal or gtfo not a cheap rip off. lolz
Arceus Evoxazon Hikahotaru 119	Posted - 2012.08.05 00:01:00 - [265] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Cpl Quartz wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=xJ-jy8t54aI&NR=1 SO HALO is casual???? better play any ranked playlist on H3 at 50 and say its casual play any arena match on onyx and say HR is causal The only reason you say HALO causal is because you have the skill set of causal player. BTW I have a CS source North american championship on my GAMING BELT, so dont talk to me like I know nothing about hardcore shooters so casual its was never worth playing. play the real deal or gtfo not a cheap rip off. lolz What's Halo?
DON RODIE II Deep Space Republic 168	Posted - 2012.08.05 00:09:00 - [266] - Quote simple yes, the more gameplay added. The better for us.
ReptileHand Bragian Order Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.08.05 21:51:00 - [267] - Quote No, no killstreaks. Don't want it, the game isn't designed for mass murdering like COD is.
Nate Silverley Rebelles A Quebec 139	Posted - 2012.08.05 22:49:00 - [268] - Quote Why won't this thread die, already! This thing is going nowhere. The only positive side-effect is that it keeps all the CoD fans concentrated where they can't harm common sense.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.08.05 22:55:00 - [269] - Quote Nate Silverley wrote: Why won't this thread die, already! This thing is going nowhere. The only positive side-effect is that it keeps all the CoD fans concentrated where they can't harm common sense. I've seen worse examples of zombie threads on eve's forums. At this point I don't think anyone's actually talking any more about the kill streak stuff which is kind of disappointing. I don't think more than 1 or 2 people even read my input.
Hobos-N-Guns Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire 44	Posted - 2012.08.08 15:56:00 - [270] - Quote GM, Please lock thread



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