DUST Search - DUST should have Kill Streaks

Draconaes Khor wrote:

Time for serious reply:

Killstreaks of any kind in Dust?

No.

Why should there be? What possible reason could an mmofps of this kind, expanding upon the EVE Online universe, have for killstreaks?

You want to reward people playing well but getting several kills without dying? Why? They are already rewarded by costing the enemy team a fair amount of isk, and dead mercs take longer to interfere with objectives. That's one of the primary rewards and metrics for success in EVE Online as well: draining the enemy's resources faster than they drain yours.

Why should a merc have to get a certain number of kills before his commander will agree to send down one of his tanks? He already bought it, but must meet an arbitrary requirement to land it? This makes no sense. Generals don't wait for their soldiers to start winning before sending in support.

What is the reasoning behind adding killstreaks besides "COD does it."? I think we need a stronger reason than that. Until we get one, killstreaks shouldn't be added.

In the interest of encouraging discussion, and not just shooting the idea down, does anyone have a good reason for adding killstreaks?

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Blunt Smkr Doomheim 62	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:17:00 - [151] - Quote I hope they dont add killstreaks like cod cause it only promotes camping wich is stupid for a game that is supposed to be a team based game. If they do add a killsteak system it should be like a isk bonuse. Better yet have a medal system for doing certain things in a match an each medal is worth so much isk. That way its not all about the kills cause a guy could earn medals from hacking or even reviving a team mate.
Arceus Evoxazon Hikahotaru 119	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:18:00 - [152] - Quote Blunt Smkr wrote: I hope they dont add killstreaks like cod cause it only promotes camping wich is stupid for a game that is supposed to be a team based game. If they do add a killsteak system it should be like a isk bonuse. Better yet have a medal system for doing certain things in a match an each medal is worth so much isk. That way its not all about the kills cause a guy could earn medals from hacking or even reviving a team mate. Battlefield.
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:21:00 - [153] - Quote Sw3RvE wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: Aim asist = skill ? Mag no aim asist just lag asist ha ha COD not sure if it has aim asist Dust 514 heard it has aim asist I like the vehicles just as they are now.No kill streak vehicles or orbital strike(ps a eve player is the one firing the orbital strike) But I would like kill streak music like in Mag.That was cool. yes MW has aim assit. dust has super little aim assit. the only way i even notice it is if im not moving at all and someone passes in front of me. i agree that kill streaks goes against what dust is about. you get SP for kills. you get ISK. thats your kill streak reward. dont start turning this game into CoD. thats the reason i like it, because its nothing like CoD. DUST has tones of aim assist what game have you been playing
Blunt Smkr Doomheim 62	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:23:00 - [154] - Quote Arceus Evoxazon wrote: Blunt Smkr wrote: I hope they dont add killstreaks like cod cause it only promotes camping wich is stupid for a game that is supposed to be a team based game. If they do add a killsteak system it should be like a isk bonuse. Better yet have a medal system for doing certain things in a match an each medal is worth so much isk. That way its not all about the kills cause a guy could earn medals from hacking or even reviving a team mate. Battlefield. i was actually thinking of mag but didnt want to say that lol But BF does have something like that but is that a bad thing. It promotes more team play then camping i think
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:24:00 - [155] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Sw3RvE wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: Aim asist = skill ? Mag no aim asist just lag asist ha ha COD not sure if it has aim asist Dust 514 heard it has aim asist I like the vehicles just as they are now.No kill streak vehicles or orbital strike(ps a eve player is the one firing the orbital strike) But I would like kill streak music like in Mag.That was cool. yes MW has aim assit. dust has super little aim assit. the only way i even notice it is if im not moving at all and someone passes in front of me. i agree that kill streaks goes against what dust is about. you get SP for kills. you get ISK. thats your kill streak reward. dont start turning this game into CoD. thats the reason i like it, because its nothing like CoD. DUST has tones of aim assist what game have you been playing checkout the lets talk game mechanics thread. Somebody said Circle strafing and ADSing is the same thing
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:24:00 - [156] - Quote Arceus Evoxazon wrote: Blunt Smkr wrote: I hope they dont add killstreaks like cod cause it only promotes camping wich is stupid for a game that is supposed to be a team based game. If they do add a killsteak system it should be like a isk bonuse. Better yet have a medal system for doing certain things in a match an each medal is worth so much isk. That way its not all about the kills cause a guy could earn medals from hacking or even reviving a team mate. Battlefield. Battlefield3 certainly was not the first game though to do this. Warhawk, MAG, KILLZONE2 & KILLZONE3 also did this too, and those are just a few. Resistance: Fall of Man is certainly one too infact. I actually have it still. No one is online. I miss the days of R:FoM.
Arceus Evoxazon Hikahotaru 119	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:26:00 - [157] - Quote Blunt Smkr wrote: Arceus Evoxazon wrote: Blunt Smkr wrote: I hope they dont add killstreaks like cod cause it only promotes camping wich is stupid for a game that is supposed to be a team based game. If they do add a killsteak system it should be like a isk bonuse. Better yet have a medal system for doing certain things in a match an each medal is worth so much isk. That way its not all about the kills cause a guy could earn medals from hacking or even reviving a team mate. Battlefield. i was actually thinking of mag but didnt want to say that lol But BF does have something like that but is that a bad thing. It promotes more team play then camping i think Yes, because it stifles creativity. "don't reinvent the wheel" everyone says. How can you design a better wheel without doing just that?
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:27:00 - [158] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Arceus Evoxazon wrote: Blunt Smkr wrote: I hope they dont add killstreaks like cod cause it only promotes camping wich is stupid for a game that is supposed to be a team based game. If they do add a killsteak system it should be like a isk bonuse. Better yet have a medal system for doing certain things in a match an each medal is worth so much isk. That way its not all about the kills cause a guy could earn medals from hacking or even reviving a team mate. Battlefield. Battlefield3 certainly was not the first game though to do this. Warhawk, MAG, KILLZONE2 & KILLZONE3 also did this too, and those are just a few. Resistance: Fall of Man is certainly one too infact. I actually have it still. No one is online. I miss the days of R:FoM. Everybody still plays custom matches on RFoM
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:32:00 - [159] - Quote PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: people are nuts with this: "go back to COD!!! go back to HALO" THIS GAME. Is a beta version of halo one
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:50:00 - [160] - Quote I still say we should have streaks based on War Points, NOT just kills - get (for example) 200 WP without dying, get a +5% bonus to your SP earnings (or your War Points, which affect both ISK and SP post-match) for every action you perform from then on without dying. 200 WP means 4 kills if you do NOTHING else that helps the team. They could have higher WP streaks that add an additional bonus. If you hit (again, just an example) 600 WP without dying, you could be given an additional +5% modifier to WP earnings (total 10% bonus), then at 1500 it could add another 5% for a total of 15% bonus WP. That not only makes it easier (assuming they're still running with the "WP = vehicle requests" system) to call in your Tank/Dropship/whatever if you're on a streak, but it also means (assuming the current "WP = ISK/SP modifier) you earn more and gain more SPs for surviving that long. Seems reasonable to me. And as I said, having it apply only as a modifier to SP would work reasonably well too.

Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:56:00 - [161] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Rorek IronBlood wrote: Arceus Evoxazon wrote: Blunt Smkr wrote: I hope they dont add killstreaks like cod cause it only promotes camping wich is stupid for a game that is supposed to be a team based game. If they do add a killsteak system it should be like a isk bonuse. Better yet have a medal system for doing certain things in a match an each medal is worth so much isk. That way its not all about the kills cause a guy could earn medals from hacking or even reviving a team mate. Battlefield. Battlefield3 certainly was not the first game though to do this. Warhawk, MAG, KILLZONE2 & KILLZONE3 also did this too, and those are just a few. Resistance: Fall of Man is certainly one too infact. I actually have it still. No one is online. I miss the days of R:FoM. Everybody still plays custom matches on RFoM ... Bull. Because, I have been on there a lot this year, and every time it says no available servers. It cannot even find me a match. I miss the Wal-Mart server though. One hit kills, and just epic killings. I miss the character customization, and maps too.
Draconaes Khor Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.07.31 04:22:00 - [162] - Quote Time for serious reply: Killstreaks of any kind in Dust? No. Why should there be? What possible reason could an mmofps of this kind, expanding upon the EVE Online universe, have for killstreaks? You want to reward people playing well by getting several kills without dying? Why? They are already rewarded by costing the enemy team a fair amount of isk, and dead mercs take longer to interfere with objectives. That's one of the primary rewards and metrics for success in EVE Online as well: draining the enemy's resources faster than they drain yours. Why should a merc have to get a certain number of kills before his commander will agree to send down one of his tanks? He already bought it, but must meet an arbitrary requirement to land it? This makes no sense. Generals don't wait for their soldiers to start winning before sending in support. What is the reasoning behind adding killstreaks besides "COD does it."? I think we need a stronger reason than that. Until we get one, killstreaks shouldn't be added. In the interest of encouraging discussion, and not just shooting the idea down, does anyone have a good reason for adding killstreaks?
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.07.31 04:57:00 - [163] - Quote No. Gtfo OP.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.07.31 05:00:00 - [164] - Quote Draconaes Khor wrote: Time for serious reply: Killstreaks of any kind in Dust? No. Why should there be? What possible reason could an mmofps of this kind, expanding upon the EVE Online universe, have for killstreaks? You want to reward people playing well but getting several kills without dying? Why? They are already rewarded by costing the enemy team a fair amount of isk, and dead mercs take longer to interfere with objectives. That's one of the primary rewards and metrics for success in EVE Online as well: draining the enemy's resources faster than they drain yours. Why should a merc have to get a certain number of kills before his commander will agree to send down one of his tanks? He already bought it, but must meet an arbitrary requirement to land it? This makes no sense. Generals don't wait for their soldiers to start winning before sending in support. What is the reasoning behind adding killstreaks besides "COD does it."? I think we need a stronger reason than that. Until we get one, killstreaks shouldn't be added. In the interest of encouraging discussion, and not just shooting the idea down, does anyone have a good reason for adding killstreaks? This speaks so much truth he farts and it raises the dead. +1
DrunkMonk 1 Walmart Brand Mercenaries 26	Posted - 2012.07.31 05:10:00 - [165] - Quote DUSTPLAYER290720112234 wrote: I Think players who get kills in a row, without dying, should be able to call in killstreaks 1. 5kills- jeep 2. 10kills- tank 3. 25kills- orbital strike Seems fair to me no
Dro2072 Doomheim 35	Posted - 2012.07.31 05:36:00 - [166] - Quote i dont want to post here but its 1:30 am and im so tired i dont care. what the genius said is true COD is the "gungame" but this IS THE "METAGAME"! nuff said i think. he reads post OP guys head explodes now ccp guy who reopened this thread what is the matter with you? before you locked it almost everyone disagreed with the OP and even after you did the majority still do. this topic doesnt need to be discussed further the majority of the community do not want KS. so relock or delete this thread its making me question my faith in you, dont do that please.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.07.31 05:42:00 - [167] - Quote Dro2072 wrote: i dont want to post here but its 1:30 am and im so tired i dont care. what the genius said is true COD is the "gungame" but this IS THE "METAGAME"! nuff said i think. he reads post OP guys head explodes now ccp guy who reopened this thread what is the matter with you? before you locked it almost everyone disagreed with the OP and even after you did the majority still do. this topic doesnt need to be discussed further the majority of the community do not want KS. so relock or delete this thread its making me question my faith in you, dont do that please. lol just...go to bed. couple good points tho, funny too
From Costa Rica Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 66	Posted - 2012.07.31 06:14:00 - [168] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: What innovation? name one thing that is unique in this game and ill name five that do the same and two that do it better FANBOYS I just could not keep reading after this, how about, buying your guns a dropsuits, how about orbital strikes from real player from EVE on P(KITTEN) C, how about cross plataform gameplay. Now tell me what other game you can play on ps3 that needs somebody playing on the PC to work together to take over a star sistem. YOU SAID YOU COULD NAME FIVE, I DARE YOU I DOUBLE DARE YOU. AND HELL NO TO KILLSTREAK, unless is just to brag on the battlefield, or to implement a bounty on somebody, -XPROTOMAN has a 5 players killstreak, XPROTOMAN has a 10 players killstreak, XPOTOMAN got killed by From Costa Rica (and i would win extra money for killing him)
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.07.31 06:55:00 - [169] - Quote A Aura A.I. type voice making mocking comments would be fine, I don't want to hear about somebody else's kill streak, and any advantage in battle would be bad. Sp bonus would encourage older characters to grind new players for sp, not good for growing game.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.07.31 06:58:00 - [170] - Quote A Aura A.I. type voice making mocking comments would be fine, I don't want to hear about somebody else's kill streak, and any advantage in battle would be bad. Sp bonus would encourage older characters to grind new players for sp, not good for growing game.

Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.07.31 06:59:00 - [171] - Quote posted same thing twice by mistake.
Qn1f3 Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 18	Posted - 2012.07.31 07:06:00 - [172] - Quote This thread is epically long and should be considered a successful troll. The fun fact is that the troll is an impersonator! I think this is hilarious and created some royal laughter within me. Even tho I feel bad for the impersonated getting a little stomped until someone realized the truth. However the thread raises and important issue and should be discussed thoroughly. I've have read it all and liked a lot of posts in this thread. Mostly them that has actually contributed to the cause of discussion and not just threw **** at the threadstarter(OP?, not used hanging on english forums so short of abbrevations and glossary). My personal opinion is that Killstreaks should never be implemented and should never in any situation grant greater power to those already mastering this aspect of a game. I agree with the people naming UT in the early days(even tho I prefer Q3 and getting close and personal with the gauntlet). But that style does not belong in Dust as I see it. To implement such feature only promotes several negative aspects of this game, as someone beautifully put it "KDR-whoring", KS-ing, camping(spawn and other) and using any kind of method to their advantage. If I would've wanted this, there are several other titles that already implement such features to promote this behaviour within it's playerbase. I myself am not attracted to this type of gameplay even tho maintaining a positive KDR is something I want to maintain. But that is mainly because there is nothing else showing your other efforts in a good way. As I understand the only thing is to notice good players while the match lasts or to have it reflected in your SP/ISK rewards afterwards. I wish for some kind of support or team-effort stat that shows that you after all have done something of worth for the team while the fighting goes on. Promote, reward, embrace support players within the game mechanics! Regards, Qn1f3
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2012.07.31 08:29:00 - [173] - Quote Summary of me flashing through this thread: 1. OP is a biological evil twin brother who has probably the Elders of New Eden chasing aster his rear-end, so his days are numbered. He is probably also crying at how sniping in Dust is realistic and not like CoD or Battlefield. 2. Kill Streaks in a game with a player-driven economy that works on realism (well sort of...it is sci-fi) are simply out of the question, Dust is like Operation Flashpoint or ARMA Or Star Wars Battlefront, not CoD or Battlefield. WP streaks for doing a lot of things to gain them are debatable, because atm good players get plenty enough as it is to upkeep and profit. Qn1f3 is correct in that it promotes KDR whoring which personally I'm against, though many would disagree with me. Seems fair enough.
Mafty Navilles Erin Legitimate Businessman's Club 8	Posted - 2012.07.31 10:03:00 - [174] - Quote 7/10. Nice trolling. You got 9 pages going, so gratz. Now go back under your bridge. Now on a serious note, Dust needs to iron out that basic FPS part quickly and start connecting to SiSi. We're only getting the FPS experience here yet. Peeps (including myself) need to experience the grand scale of what Dust is meant for. We're not getting the whole picture yet.
dust badger BetaMax. 283	Posted - 2012.07.31 10:09:00 - [175] - Quote NO to in game COD style kill streaks, But how about kill streaks at the end of game, saying you get 5 kills then you can get FW faction loot from that NPC faction and then when player corps come in the CEO can set these kill streak rewards to give out to players automatically
vermacht Doe 93	Posted - 2012.07.31 10:23:00 - [176] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Arceus Evoxazon wrote: Blunt Smkr wrote: I hope they dont add killstreaks like cod cause it only promotes camping wich is stupid for a game that is supposed to be a team based game. If they do add a killsteak system it should be like a isk bonuse. Better yet have a medal system for doing certain things in a match an each medal is worth so much isk. That way its not all about the kills cause a guy could earn medals from hacking or even reviving a team mate. Battlefield. Battlefield3 certainly was not the first game though to do this. Warhawk, MAG, KILLZONE2 & KILLZONE3 also did this too, and those are just a few. Resistance: Fall of Man is certainly one too infact. I actually have it still. No one is online. I miss the days of R:FoM. What about the other two resistance games? If you looking for some1 to play it with say so
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.07.31 12:17:00 - [177] - Quote ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: ha you have no idea what skill is, I bet if you were put in any game from cod to halo you'd get wrecked by people like me yeah but its not cod, im sure if you played unreal you would get wreaked by people like me. CCP where are the shield belts?
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.07.31 12:27:00 - [178] - Quote DON RODIE II wrote: What if a 10 person killstreak was a bonus in the contract kind of like in sports Thats makes sense
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.31 18:49:00 - [179] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: Rorek IronBlood wrote: Arceus Evoxazon wrote: Blunt Smkr wrote: I hope they dont add killstreaks like cod cause it only promotes camping wich is stupid for a game that is supposed to be a team based game. If they do add a killsteak system it should be like a isk bonuse. Better yet have a medal system for doing certain things in a match an each medal is worth so much isk. That way its not all about the kills cause a guy could earn medals from hacking or even reviving a team mate. Battlefield. Battlefield3 certainly was not the first game though to do this. Warhawk, MAG, KILLZONE2 & KILLZONE3 also did this too, and those are just a few. Resistance: Fall of Man is certainly one too infact. I actually have it still. No one is online. I miss the days of R:FoM. Everybody still plays custom matches on RFoM ... Bull. Because, I have been on there a lot this year, and every time it says no available servers. It cannot even find me a match. I miss the Wal-Mart server though. One hit kills, and just epic killings. I miss the character customization, and maps too. I'm on RFoM right now and have a full list of multiple games and people still playing.
PAY TO WIN Air Raiders 84	Posted - 2012.07.31 18:52:00 - [180] - Quote COD > Dust COD is at least an FPS Dust is...............sigh smh



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