this is suppose to be a FPS, why is it being diluted with vehicle spam

-make specific modes where vehicles are not allowed and allowed so we can truely try to believe this game is a FPS
-hit detection is crap
-aim assist, give us the option to turn it off
-make it so there's always at least 2 different default areas to spawn from to eliminate spawn camping
-sniping is a joke, the best sniping guns and lvl 5 skills have a T3 clip, T3 reload, T2 fire rate, T1 damage and a range of a sub machine gun(the range and clip size are the biggest issue). i'm not saying buff it, i'm honestly saying to get rid of the entire class and i say that for many reasons. there's not ONE mode where a sniper can truely benefit for being a 'sniper'. now i would go on on this subject, but since the sniping class is broke in all the worst ways, (which ultimately is a good thing) i'll just there about it
-fix crosshairs glitch
-fix gaps in the map where you're pinned in places you can't get out of
-fix bad comms (i've heard some pretty narly derogatory comments flung at me many games on the enemy side lol)
-add groups, clans, alliances, corps
-let us have a skill book that lets us swap gear faster, call it "swap speed" i'm tired of waiting a decade to switch to other items in the heat of battle. this also becomes tedious if you have a lvl 5 protosuit because you get more things
-let us have the option to have "clutter" on our screen if we wish, as in toggle the chervon signs on of people, mainly your own allies to be permanent; lasting through the whole game
-make a punishing respec
-make a time limit/cap for air vehicles so it isn't abused
-add friendly fire.. but everyone will hate it
-fix the multiple friendly dropships squishing allies through the map (i've died too many times to this)
-add a 100 vs 100 mode
-add prone and paratrooper spawns *kidding.....*
oh edit: also add some targets in the war barge, or let us dance or something fun or goofy

gosh, i think i've just regurgitated what MAG is

also in eve, you could change out projectile ammo that were more effective to other types of ships, why not let assault rifles have ammo that deal a little more damage to vehicles and can be changed out when reloading. or maybe ammo that gives better range etc. dat emp s

no sniper fan boys allowed, you know it's bad, you know... it's a joke. come out of the tent and admit the truth

You done ?

=> Beta.

=> No vehicle map ? That's not how dust works. There wont be such things as "maps". It's planets for wich corporation are fighting for. So what ? Do you think those corp will say "hey, let's not use vehicle on this one"
=> Clan support, group etc.... BETA. And probably added in next build
=> Hit detection. Weird that i feel like i dont have any trouble with that.... Also, you werent there in the previous build obviously. oh and BETA.
=> Sniping ? It's for kiddies.
=> Crosshair glitch ?
=> Gaps in maps ? BETA and most games that are released have those.
=> Bad comms ? Never had any problem. And hearing ennemies = proxy chat (wich i find usefull)
=> punishing respec ? What is that ?
=> Friendly fire ? Agreed it shall be on. BETA
=> vehicle cap limit : already in place. Time limit : i would agree
=> 100 vs 100 mode ? Already announced 24 vs 24 will be the biggest at first. (128 player map have been tested internally)
=> Swap speed. Again, you werent there in the previous build LOL.
=> Spawn areas ? fixed in next build. (yeah reading the forumls before whining is actualy usefull)

And so on....

To be honest, I think you're an idiot, most of these things are planned for release. And I'm not even a sniper, but I see it as a valid tactical option.

You might have been onto something with the AV ammo, but frontline AR classes can't be good against everything, you want to kill vehicles, grab a launcher. Otherwise stop crying that somebody has something that works against you.

a true FPS is not reliant on vehicles, just saying. and it gets a little funky when the game gets competitive and who ever eventually controls the sky with dropships wins the game

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now that^ is out of the way:
sniping in this game is crap. if you critically look at what a sniper can do in these three game modes you'll realize that they're extremely useless against goodish* players. CCP designed the sniper class to not take objectives, not be in the battle with the team and to camp. to excel at owning noobs in their redline when all your team has done all the hard work (pushing and taking objectives)

the range in this game for snipers is broken beyond belief, the chevron signs don't tell you exactly where the enemy is if they are at a certain distance, infact it lies to you quite often if they aren't still for 5 minutes.

3-5 clip size. really? ok yes maybe, if they enemy team is full of milita suits in my hopes to OHKO them. but realistically you would never try to "T1" with these crappy things

the benefits of a sniper is high damage and range, you pretty much get neither in this beta

For one, this is not a true fps for it already has RPG elements in it. And its more of a war game based around an FPS system. Also battlefield is not an FPS? thats new.

I have to agree on dropships though, they are completely OP as of now. The worst is when they crash into you to kill you. I can see how that is a perfectly legal strategy. But if they just fly into the ground at full speed(to bump kill you), the least you can do is ,you know, actualy make it crash instead of just measely bumping the floor.

And OP. You might have one or 2 legit points in there, but I highly recommend you look at my post called 'Beta testers mentality' because half of your ideas are just plain horrible.

To be honest, I think you're an idiot, most of these things are planned for release. And I'm not even a sniper, but I see it as a valid tactical option.

You might have been onto something with the AV ammo, but frontline AR classes can't be good against everything, you want to kill vehicles, grab a launcher. Otherwise stop crying that somebody has something that works against you.

I love the way people are telling nighttimes (perhaps the most famous sniper from MAG) that sniping is effective. If night times says no sniping, don't snipe. He knows best except for a couple of Russians (maybe a Canadian too).

By the way, 5 rounds in a sniper rifle is pretty average. Although my fps game list is limited, the ones I have played, it seems to be on par.

I love the way people are telling nighttimes (perhaps the most famous sniper from MAG) that sniping is effective. If night times says no sniping, don't snipe. He knows best except for a couple of Russians (maybe a Canadian too).

I play the sniper role, have proto rifle and proficiency at 2 and it seems to work just fine. OHK many. Well fitted assault may take 2-3 shots. Well fitted heavies 4-5. Range is a bit short, but I think part of that is the draw distance which I think is addressed in next build. Even when I can't see the char, I can still kill them. Shot many snipers on top of towers at A and B while I was on top of the warehouses.

By the way, 5 rounds in a sniper rifle is pretty average. Although my fps game list is limited, the ones I have played, it seems to be on par.

Definitely an eve player....

Just aim on the head and you OHK most of the time, having best dmg mods with proto rifle helps as well.
Snipers aren't supposed to run with team your job is to harvest traglers and others who are taking your cloning facilities and supply depots.

Also you don't need to see a chevron to kill it's enough that you know that someone is there where you aim, I know because I've killed more then one that way.

Definetly a mag player, too full of him self as usual.

i love how people from mag think them or others are e-famous because they dominated a completely different game.

Definitely an eve player....

compliment accepted, i wouldn't trust an eve player to back me up in battle

Why do you assume I'm an eve player by my statement? And just because this doesn't work like the game you have apparentley are god in, doesn't mean its broken. Yes this is beta, there are things that need fixed, I won't deny that. When its stated that this is a finished product and things are still the same, then make your complaint. But don't assume and state that people are noobs or whatever just because you feel entitled because of your experience in a different game.

anyone that thinks 3 clip rounds for a battle sniper that is ment to take objectives makes me laugh
anyone that thinks the snipers range in the beta is acceptable makes me laugh
it's bet, i understand, but for many of the builds it's been the same

fact: eve players have no major fps experience
fact: the MAG community has played against each other so much, weeding out the bad players from the good, making them quit the game, leaving nothing but the best players doing clan battles for years. MAG players have great experience to offer DUST devs. Some of these MAG vets that are in the beta have astronomically high skill and gun game

my plee to devs: if you are going to support all these vehicles... it will drive the FPS community away. i really hope there'll be a infantry mode - no vehicles allowed. similar to sabotage in MAG to allow the FPS players to shine. Also competition, allowing us to be social, being in clans/corps allowing us to battle whom ever and letting us schedule these battles, letting us have the tools to do this is the longevity the game needs to be extremely successful. this is what MAG did not have - clan support

again, as for sniping make it easy and just get rid of it lol it's a mess right now

anyone that thinks 3 clip rounds for a battle sniper that is ment to take objectives makes me laugh
anyone that thinks the snipers range in the beta is acceptable makes me laugh
it's bet, i understand, but for many of the builds it's been the same

fact: eve players have no major fps experience
fact: the MAG community has played against each other so much, weeding out the bad players from the good, making them quit the game, leaving nothing but the best players doing clan battles for years. MAG players have great experience to offer DUST devs. Some of these MAG vets that are in the beta have astronomically high skill and gun game

my plee to devs: if you are going to support all these vehicles... it will drive the FPS community away. i really hope there'll be a infantry mode - no vehicles allowed. similar to sabotage in MAG to allow the FPS players to shine. Also competition, allowing us to be social, being in clans/corps allowing us to battle whom ever and letting us schedule these battles, letting us have the tools to do this is the longevity the game needs to be extremely successful. this is what MAG did not have - clan support

again, as for sniping make it easy and just get rid of it lol it's a mess right now

I love the way people are telling nighttimes (perhaps the most famous sniper from MAG) that sniping is effective. If night times says no sniping, don't snipe. He knows best except for a couple of Russians (maybe a Canadian too).

-I want the clutter option, I should ALWAYS see the chevrons for allies. It is annoying shooting someone from range only to realize they are an ally. It doesn't make sense why such a system would be limited by such short range when people have communication systems that transcend the speed of light.
-A respec would be useful for trying new things. The idea of giving up something to gain something else of equal value (+ penalty) isn't a bad idea to me. I read a comment saying that everyone would respec and become tank drivers, but I find that kind of silly; why would that be better than specializing to be a tank driver to begin with?
-I'm pretty sure there is already a vehicle limit on the battlefield.
-Neutral on friendly fire, but I think it will be added.
-Diferent ammo types would be cool.

I've play Eve, Mag and many other games I was one of the top Puzzle Quest players . Dust does not have snipers it has scouts, your job isn't to camp spawns its to be overwatch and cover nodes. The good scouts know this and are the ones that tend to one shot me when I'm covering or taking a node.

High scoring scouts and scouts that are team players are not the samething. Just like the pilots that just go for tank kills and watch as the other team holds 3 nodes sigh.

You can 1 shot most suits and the ones you can't are going to go for cover as soon as you ping them. I don't know what else you would want from the scout suit and sniper rifles that are not already commented on by the devs that they going to be fix or added like spawns ect.

this is suppose to be a FPS, why is it being diluted with vehicle spam

Very good point. Thank you for bringing that out. I will be getting a mic, soon hopefully, and this is how I do prefer to play, sit in a high point and oversee what is going on in the field, take out enemy's that I can that are hacking points. I did this type of playstyle in other games, even though I didn't have a mic, I could call out enemys sighted with call commands. Would love that ability here since many don't have mics. Not sure how that could be incorporated as it would take another button to bring up the menu for callouts.

I like the support class, piloting, sniping, resupplying, etc. I suck at assault. I'm average at best with AV. Just recently learned that the swarm launcher can be equipped on an assault suit. Guess I need to pay attention a bit better on weapon fits. But I always go back to the "sniping" role and trying to help the team as much as possible, therefore, low kills, plus my aim isn't all that great sometimes. Meds have a tendency to slow me down a bit.

Because this current build is designed to emphasise vehicle use so the devs can assess balancing/pathing issues and other things relating to them in a more active environment?

Seems like a sensible thing to do with testing - tweak the system so particular elements are over-used in a specific build, then use that over-use to give you more numbers to work with.

As for the "night-times is a MAG sniper god" discussion, I'm absolutely amazing at aerial combat in War for Cybertron, but I can't pilot a Hawk to save myself in Warhawk or Starhawk. Being good at a specific role in one game doesn't necessarily mean that same role will suit you in the next.

I'm kind of the same way. I tear up in the earlier Ace Combat games, but only get shredded in Starhawk.

I was tempted to mention Ace Combat, but a third-person shooter which doesn't have everyone in flight seemed more appropriate.

Particularly given that in War for Cybertron, jets are the squishiest targets in the entire game.

I'm still looking forward to the NERF OP JETS threads that are going to be all up in this forum like malignant cancer as soon as they go in. I'm just baking SP to dump straight into them right now.

i love how people from mag think them or others are e-famous because they dominated a completely different game.

No, it's not a completely different game. At their core, both games are FPS with RPG elements in a military setting. They rely on team and squad tactics and need a dynamic group to complete their objectives. A good sniper from any game would still be a good sniper in this, since again at it's core the mechanics, tactics, and skill sets are the same. Their knowledge gained from that would be quite useful in developing and refining similar results.

E-famous is a good term and the fact that someone else knows your name because you were amazing at something mean you ARE famous by definition. An easy example is look at Youtube celebrities.

Also, I just liked that he said "Canadian too".

I look forward to those threads too.

And given that I can already take out a Grimsnes with a maximum of 3 shots from my Militia Swarm Launcher (less if I'm using a real build), I'm looking forward to seeing how effective it is against a fighter.

As for the "night-times is a MAG sniper god" discussion, I'm absolutely amazing at aerial combat in War for Cybertron, but I can't pilot a Hawk to save myself in Warhawk or Starhawk. Being good at a specific role in one game doesn't necessarily mean that same role will suit you in the next.