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Sandromin Hes Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 204	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:07:00 - [31] - Quote Knifing is fine as it is- I mean really, in real life, you can get stabbed multiple times before dying. Add space armor and plasma guns to that, think about it. The way it works right now is very realistic, and on top of that, there are skills you can train. So if you truly want to get a OHK knife, train to knife proficiency you unaware people. it adds around +50% damage in the long run. The way it works right now is good, no changes needed Reloading is a different problem- anything you do interrupts it and it doesn't matter how far you got into reloading... it's a bit of a problem sometimes REs is not a problem either. If you're stupid enough to not realize that an enemy lobbed a chunk of explosives right next to you, you deserve to blow to bits. Guns are also fine, but there's a few balancing tweaks needed. Vehicles are not a problem. Right now, its in beta, so don't worry about any stupid failures to not use AV gear. Refer to one of those for most of your problems.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:07:00 - [32] - Quote Remote explosive damage distance against owner needs to be fixed so a people using them would be less able to use them like a grenade and get caught in thier own blast.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 259	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:09:00 - [33] - Quote How is a base 110 points barely any damage, you probably just need to facehug better and your "hits" are actually missing. There is a skill that raises it by 50% and there are biotics that raise it by 50% each. No, not a damage buff, just maybe a smidge more reach, about 10 more cm for the animation.
Cobalt Monkey Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 140	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:10:00 - [34] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ANTI-LIKE! 1_ There are skills to make it stronger. 2_ There are things you can equip on your dropsuit fittings to make knife stronger. 3_ Instant kill makes it have overpowered compared to guns, which do low damage. Knife speed needs to be improved though, and knife should cancel reloading. There should maybe be a range buff. QFT OHK knifing turns every encounter into just knifing the other guy. Especially when anyone with decent armor and shields could easily just charge right up through all the bullets you sink into them and get a free kill. No, thank you. It's nice to play a game again where everyone ISN'T made of glass. CoD characters die if you so much as breathe in their general direction. Which is alright since the focus in those games in nowhere near actual shooter skill. It's all about thinking tactically and getting the drop on the other guy. One man coming from an unexpected direction can clear a room with a pistol in those games. Dust isn't like that, and shouldn't be. The need for tactical thought is still there, of course, but you need gun skill to back it up.
VigSniper101 204	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:10:00 - [35] - Quote Forget the Knife
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:11:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Remote explosive damage distance against owner needs to be fixed so a people using them would be less able to use them like a grenade and get caught in thier own blast. If they got caught in their own blast then it's their fault. Let them wallow in their own idiocy.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:14:00 - [37] - Quote fully buffed and built towards in the last build, the knife did 406.35 damage. (assuming the weaponry skill affected it) it was a laughable fit, but it was possible. you can't see slot layouts on suit previews anymore so it's harder for me to theorycraft, but none of the slot layouts have changed on any of the suits i can use. so that number is probably still correct. EDIT: just remembered, ccp confirmed proto logi has 4 hi-slots Here: so i'm fairly confident my number is correct even now.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:15:00 - [38] - Quote Knife is underpowered -- I can't OHK a sargis.
Thick McRun Fast Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 177	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:16:00 - [39] - Quote Longshot Ravenwood wrote: Knife is underpowered -- I can't OHK a sargis. You need to knife the belly. That's the weak point.
Kcobra Rod Foxhound Corporation 55	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:18:00 - [40] - Quote Lol if by good FPS's you mean COD... GTFO of here

gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:19:00 - [41] - Quote Ohk melee will be abused just like re's are now you will have a scout with all the speed upgrades running around knifing just like you have scouts running up to you and throwing down re's and blowing you up
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:22:00 - [42] - Quote VigSniper101 wrote: Forget the Knife F*** THE KNIFE!! JACK DANIELS FTW!!!
FrierTheChosenOne Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 27	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:23:00 - [43] - Quote just like someone mentioned, 2 hit kill from the front and 1 hit kill from the back, the knife then will have some use and be a used weapon.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:24:00 - [44] - Quote gangsta nachos wrote: Ohk melee will be abused just like re's are now you will have a scout with all the speed upgrades running around knifing just like you have scouts running up to you and throwing down re's and blowing you up The same people that are against 1HK knife are the same people abusing RE. Knife needs to be 2HK and 1HK on scouts.(it already is a 1HK on most scouts) RE needs to be planted like a claymore so they are not used as an "I win" button. I think this is a good tradeoff that should make everyone happy.
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:27:00 - [45] - Quote FrierTheChosenOne wrote: just like someone mentioned, 2 hit kill from the front and 1 hit kill from the back, the knife then will have some use and be a used weapon. Hell no there is already enough cheap kills in this game there is no way in hell that a knife should do more damage than a gun sorry
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:28:00 - [46] - Quote We discussed this, we proposed alternatives to this to CCP but nothing: no answer.
amarrian victorian Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:29:00 - [47] - Quote melee attacks should be removed from the game anyways. COD knifing used to be hard to do and a big deal, but now its a joke and as you move through 100 bullets to do a little slash for a kill. BF3 knifing was a bit better but still its annoying to be facing and enemy then the knife animation happens that cannot be stopped when it shouldn't be killing you Dust right now thankfully knife attacks are hard to do AND don't do whole lots of damage... next good step is to remove the knife option. using a knife is supposed to be a last resort.
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:31:00 - [48] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: gangsta nachos wrote: Ohk melee will be abused just like re's are now you will have a scout with all the speed upgrades running around knifing just like you have scouts running up to you and throwing down re's and blowing you up The same people that are against 1HK knife are the same people abusing RE. Knife needs to be 2HK and 1HK on scouts.(it already is a 1HK on most scouts) RE needs to be planted like a claymore so they are not used as an "I win" button. I think this is a good tradeoff that should make everyone happy. So why not a one shot kill to the scout Makes no since
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:31:00 - [49] - Quote VigSniper101 wrote: Forget the Knife Agreed... OLD 7 PLZ!
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:33:00 - [50] - Quote amarrian victorian wrote: melee attacks should be removed from the game anyways. COD knifing used to be hard to do and a big deal, but now its a joke and as you move through 100 bullets to do a little slash for a kill. BF3 knifing was a bit better but still its annoying to be facing and enemy then the knife animation happens that cannot be stopped when it shouldn't be killing you Dust right now thankfully knife attacks are hard to do AND don't do whole lots of damage... next good step is to remove the knife option. using a knife is supposed to be a last resort. This is a strafe and shoot high health fps. It need a good melee system to be a success. It shouldn't be a 1HK. But it shouldn't be useless at the same time. 2HK tbh. 1 hit for shields 1 hit for health.

Sw3RvE 25	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:34:00 - [51] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: The knife is a 1HK on most scouts. I do agree the knife is a joke atm. We are in space I want a ******* laser sword as a melee weapon. Ask the amarrians one for one. They have em I think. Minmtar has some sort of spear as well. Gallente have this hatchet looking knife though. that could be arranged, right CCP ?
SoCal Ninja 260	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:38:00 - [52] - Quote There are tons of games without a OHK knife, and they do great. Pro tip, if you don't miss you don't need to knife.
Sw3RvE 25	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:40:00 - [53] - Quote SoCal Ninja wrote: There are tons of games without a OHK knife, and they do great. Pro tip, if you don't miss you don't need to knife. To me, the knife is either useless... or if you shoot their shield and armor down low enough, then you can FINNISH HIM! I can find many other things to use priceless SP on than a plastic space knife.
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:41:00 - [54] - Quote SoCal Ninja wrote: There are tons of games without a OHK knife, and they do great. Pro tip, if you don't miss you don't need to knife. This And if it comes down to you running out of ammo in your mag while in a close quarter fight if you have your knife leveled up you could run up then while his shireld and armor is depleted then you will have your one hit kill
Ray seveN Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:42:00 - [55] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How about we work on how knifing works instead of the clumbersome system is. Also you negate the need to train knife skills as an idiot with a knife is sure damned gauranteed to do less damage than a pro knife killer. Also the bionics for the arms to make knives smash though alot harder. It was said a near maxed out knife player can cut a heavy down in four strikes, the problem is though is performing all four strikes as it stands now. Then again that was before they added tier 2 weapon skills I have no idea what is the max knife damage now. Now I would rather see a damage bonus for knifing somone in the back so to say, similar to how a shot to the head works for guns knives could get thier bonus from any general aera mostly to the back. He doesn't have the SP, since he blew it all on Trolling Proficiency Level 5. whoa!! that adds 25% trolling magnitude to all troll abilities
SoCal Ninja 260	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:45:00 - [56] - Quote Go figure out the stats before coming to the forums and complaining. Knife can be leveled up significantly, but it will never be one hit kill. All those saying it already is a one hit kill on scouts doesn't know what they are talking about either. the knife does a base of 135. The lowest scout health is 190 total. The knife is not meant to do damage in this game, deal with it. CCP has the guts to realize that a lot of knife mechanics are unbalanced due to them being too strong. Plus, if you gave me a OHK knife than I know that the next day you'd see the thread "Knife Scouts Are too STRONG!"
FrierTheChosenOne Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 27	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:46:00 - [57] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: amarrian victorian wrote: melee attacks should be removed from the game anyways. COD knifing used to be hard to do and a big deal, but now its a joke and as you move through 100 bullets to do a little slash for a kill. BF3 knifing was a bit better but still its annoying to be facing and enemy then the knife animation happens that cannot be stopped when it shouldn't be killing you Dust right now thankfully knife attacks are hard to do AND don't do whole lots of damage... next good step is to remove the knife option. using a knife is supposed to be a last resort. This is a strafe and shoot high health fps. It need a good melee system to be a success. It shouldn't be a 1HK. But it shouldn't be useless at the same time. 2HK tbh. 1 hit for shields 1 hit for health. This right here makes sense. Agreed.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:47:00 - [58] - Quote I don't understand what people have against the knife. Its so much more personal and romantic to kill someone with a knife then it is to shoot them.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:50:00 - [59] - Quote Worst. Idea. Ever. Think the RE problem is bad? This is just worse.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:54:00 - [60] - Quote FrierTheChosenOne wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: amarrian victorian wrote: melee attacks should be removed from the game anyways. COD knifing used to be hard to do and a big deal, but now its a joke and as you move through 100 bullets to do a little slash for a kill. BF3 knifing was a bit better but still its annoying to be facing and enemy then the knife animation happens that cannot be stopped when it shouldn't be killing you Dust right now thankfully knife attacks are hard to do AND don't do whole lots of damage... next good step is to remove the knife option. using a knife is supposed to be a last resort. This is a strafe and shoot high health fps. It need a good melee system to be a success. It shouldn't be a 1HK. But it shouldn't be useless at the same time. 2HK tbh. 1 hit for shields 1 hit for health. This right here makes sense. Agreed. With proper skills & modules it IS a 2-3 hit kill, unless you're trying to take on a heavy. I've had a scout knife me to death while in my heavy suit. Couldn't freaking turn fast enough to kill him before he bled out my suit's reserves.



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