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FrierTheChosenOne
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:37:00 -
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I don't care if we're in space or whatever, as it stands it has a very long swing time and barely any damage.
It needs to be one hit kill like in all other good FPS. |
Skytt Syysch
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:38:00 -
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No. Insta-kill knives are stupid. Level up your skills with it and equip some mods and it'll be better. |
Relyt R
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:39:00 -
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Ever play BF3? not a OHK there, and it's a pretty good FPS, better than COD anyways |
FrierTheChosenOne
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:41:00 -
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Relyt R wrote:Ever play BF3? not a OHK there, and it's a pretty good FPS, better than COD anyways
The knife system in BF3 is god awful, it's way too glitchy, but it is 1 hit kill from the back |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:41:00 -
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Its designed to finish off somone you just emptied out your magazine out on. Also Dropsuit armor is made of stuff you cant really cut with a regular knife (since most are nanite forged) so energy assisted blades where made to cut though the materials and the fact that personal shields have gotten good enough to asorb hits traveling near lightspit from a dart it would be good enough to stop a plasma edged knife. Thus you have to cut though the shields as well. |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:42:00 -
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The guy sneaking up on the snipers & knifing them in the back thinks it's working just fine as is. |
4447
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:44:00 -
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so if the shield is down on a player it's one hit kill with a knife? |
William HBonney
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:45:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Its designed to finish off somone you just emptied out your magazine out on. Also Dropsuit armor is made of stuff you cant really cut with a regular knife (since most are nanite forged) so energy assisted blades where made to cut though the materials and the fact that personal shields have gotten good enough to asorb hits traveling near lightspit from a dart it would be good enough to stop a plasma edged knife. Thus you have to cut though the shields as well.
Really? That is so cool! Lets talk about "realism" instead of making good cps mechanics...oh and oho on knives it dumb...and so is having a 2inch blade...and poor hit detection. |
FrierTheChosenOne
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:45:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Its designed to finish off somone you just emptied out your magazine out on. Also Dropsuit armor is made of stuff you cant really cut with a regular knife (since most are nanite forged) so energy assisted blades where made to cut though the materials and the fact that personal shields have gotten good enough to asorb hits traveling near lightspit from a dart it would be good enough to stop a plasma edged knife. Thus you have to cut though the shields as well.
I already said i don't care about space stuff, it's an FPS and the knife should be consistent not an awful unused weapon. |
Thick McRun Fast
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:47:00 -
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No. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:49:00 -
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ANTI-LIKE!
1_ There are skills to make it stronger.
2_ There are things you can equip on your dropsuit fittings to make knife stronger.
3_ Instant kill makes it have overpowered compared to guns, which do low damage.
Knife speed needs to be improved though, and knife should cancel reloading. There should maybe be a range buff. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:50:00 -
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How about we work on how knifing works instead of the clumbersome system is.
Also you negate the need to train knife skills as an idiot with a knife is sure damned gauranteed to do less damage than a pro knife killer.
Also the bionics for the arms to make knives smash though alot harder.
It was said a near maxed out knife player can cut a heavy down in four strikes, the problem is though is performing all four strikes as it stands now. Then again that was before they added tier 2 weapon skills I have no idea what is the max knife damage now.
Now I would rather see a damage bonus for knifing somone in the back so to say, similar to how a shot to the head works for guns knives could get thier bonus from any general aera mostly to the back. Lets say oh 2x more damage so that if its a heavy suit you can get the second strike in before he turns around if you are fully skilled.
Follow this by a stamina cost lunge and the ability to equip knife that way if you mismanage your stamina you may not have enough for that critical lunge to get to somone's throat and they blaste your face full of lead instead. |
Buck Hardback
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:54:00 -
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I wouldn't train for half a year to acquire a heavy with massive slow tank just to be 1HK'ed by a scout from behind. Half a year of game skill time nullified by a scout militia with zero skills. No one would use anything but scouts in CQC for knife spam. Good way to bust up the game in one move.
Knifes needs to be cleaner and more responsive. Yet 1HK is simply a horrible mechanic for those with no gun game in a damn gun game. |
DonRodie II
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:54:00 -
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yeah the knifing need to be improved. It suck right now. you can't even tell if you hitting someone or not with the knife. I would love to have a ninja sword wooooooooohooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:54:00 -
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The knife is a 1HK on most scouts. I do agree the knife is a joke atm. We are in space I want a ******* laser sword as a melee weapon. |
SuperMido
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:54:00 -
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I'll answer you with 2 words: F U C K NO!!! |
Icy Tiger
496
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:55:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How about we work on how knifing works instead of the clumbersome system is.
Also you negate the need to train knife skills as an idiot with a knife is sure damned gauranteed to do less damage than a pro knife killer.
Also the bionics for the arms to make knives smash though alot harder.
It was said a near maxed out knife player can cut a heavy down in four strikes, the problem is though is performing all four strikes as it stands now. Then again that was before they added tier 2 weapon skills I have no idea what is the max knife damage now.
Now I would rather see a damage bonus for knifing somone in the back so to say, similar to how a shot to the head works for guns knives could get thier bonus from any general aera mostly to the back.
He doesn't have the SP, since he blew it all on Trolling Proficiency Level 5. |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:55:00 -
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FrierTheChosenOne wrote:I don't care if we're in space or whatever, as it stands it has a very long swing time and barely any damage.
It needs to be one hit kill like in all other good FPS.
QQ more please
What knife skill do you have and do you use modules?
Feedback without trying out the upgrades in game is fail. |
Icy Tiger
496
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:55:00 -
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FrierTheChosenOne wrote:I don't care if we're in space or whatever, as it stands it has a very long swing time and barely any damage.
It needs to be one hit kill like in all other good FPS.
Call of Duty isn't a "good" FPS. Please don't use it as a base for Dust. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:56:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:The knife is a 1HK on most scouts. I do agree the knife is a joke atm. We are in space I want a ******* laser sword as a melee weapon.
Ask the amarrians one for one. They have em I think. Minmtar has some sort of spear as well. Gallente have this hatchet looking knife though. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:58:00 -
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I am just saying I somewhat agree that knifing somone to death shouldnt take 20 stabs to do so but making it one stab regardless is a bit lame in a game that allows you to build up counters to anything that gets too popular. I mean Week 1 after reset I see so many people in muraders just killing everything last weekend i saw way more muraders killed than ever before. So people are at least adjusting to new tactics and things brought to the field. |
SoLJae
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
351
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:58:00 -
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FrierTheChosenOne wrote:I don't care if we're in space or whatever, as it stands it has a very long swing time and barely any damage.
It needs to be one hit kill like in all other good FPS.
NOOOOOOO. I always hated that one-stab-kill from fifteen feet away that formed the COD experience. Noob cheap. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:The knife is a 1HK on most scouts. I do agree the knife is a joke atm. We are in space I want a ******* laser sword as a melee weapon. Ask the amarrians one for one. They have em I think. Minmtar has some sort of spear as well. Gallente have this hatchet looking knife though.
Really? I would love to see all the different races have a different melee weapon. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:59:00 -
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So OHK knives are ok but REs that blow up need to be nerfed so they dont OHK? 
Like where these threads go, please tell me why it is sensible to take "a knife into a gun fight"?
Buff your knife skill and other augments and realize that this is still a beta, hit detection and swipe will probably be adjusted. Yes they are pretty pointless but a OHK knife is dumb without proper skills boosted. Once that is done I'm all for you having a badass knife and that being your main weapon. |
DonRodie II
14
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:59:00 -
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knifing on this game suck |
gangsta nachos
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
377
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:02:00 -
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No we do not need ohk melee weapons |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:03:00 -
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this is one of the worst ideas i've read on this forum... for cereal...
player health (relative to weapons) in dust is massive compared to every other shooter. it can easily take 10, 15, 20... 50... shots to kill. (50 is actually possible. a standard heavy suit with good mechanics and shield management has 1,125 total health... no modules. a low end smg deals 20 dmg per shot. that's 57 un-modded bullets to kill. assuming no damage loss over range, which i don't think there is.)
whereas the weakest gun in MW2 takes 5 bullets to kill.
in MW3 the weakest gun takes 6 bullets to kill.
in battlefield 3 the weakest gun takes 9 bullets to kill.
(all of these numbers assume maximum distance, minimum damage per shot.) these are the absolute WORST case scenarios for those games
therefore, a one hit killing knife would actually be FAR stronger in dust than in any other shooter. so right there this is a terrible idea.
but now lets also consider the MASSIVE differences in mobility and health between classes. who benefits more from a 1 hitting knife? the heavy with over 1k health? or the scout with half that health but DOUBLE the movement speed?
baffling... terrible idea.. terrible, terrible idea... |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:03:00 -
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I have shields and armor for that reason so you cant OHK me
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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:04:00 -
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gangsta nachos wrote:No we do not need ohk melee weapons
It should be 2HK. 1 swipe for their shields one swipe for their health. 1HK on scouts tbh. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:05:00 -
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FrierTheChosenOne wrote:I don't care if we're in space or whatever, as it stands it has a very long swing time and barely any damage.
It needs to be one hit kill like in all other good FPS.
1. Train up knifing skills.
2. Try to knife better next time.
3. ...
4. Profit. |
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