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lordjnus
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Posted - 2012.07.16 16:26:00 -
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Just saying, and dont throw the " just beta or bad console "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WrJ_kjxsuk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTzp9BE7G9M&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7XDIDfhGbY&feature=related
This game will fail horrible if it dosent improve a lot and fast, have also read a lot of forums and many say, " what to expect from a F2P game" and have never seen so bad grapich in a beta before and that from beta testers. You can also read comments from the IGN players just played it. www.ign.com
This is a game for the average ps3 player that will play 10 min or 3 ours, no one will play a game that looks like its from 2003 . So really hope you have some improvement coming fast , I am myself looking forward to play the game, but would be nice to se more then 100 online at the time.
Let the game shine CCP and give us 2012 grapich, and dont say that I dont understand the gameplay , I am used to play EVE so I am used to hard gaming, fitting etc.
And that its a F2P game is no excuse to make a bad looking game , would rather pay $70 for a good game then playing a average F2P game.
Hope there will be a Dust 514 event on the next fanfest also.... but this is not looking god.  |
Zero Harpuia
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.07.16 16:58:00 -
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Grapichs? of all the major issues, real problems, and sensible arguments, you rail on the grapichs? The Electronics Upgrade skillbook is missing, the Repair Guns need to be worked out, there are three turret models to be made, 2 more dropsuit types, 3 more weapons, corp battles, chat systems, buddy systems, a couple nigh useless skills to tweak, and hit detection is still a tad off and encumbered by auto-aim, and you whing about GRAPICHS?
...I spelled it wrong on purpose, use spellchecker dammit. |
Zev Caldari
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.16 16:58:00 -
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These aren't the final graphics.
These aren't the final graphics.
These aren't the final graphics.
What is so hard to understand about that? |
lordjnus
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:08:00 -
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yea yea time will show.... I hope you have right... |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:11:00 -
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if the gameplay good what do the graphics matter? i might be a little stubborn about liking my older stuff, but honestly i could care less about the graphic in a BETA. |
Zero Harpuia
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:12:00 -
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To be more concise, ever hear of Pokemon? Disgaea? They use sprites, or 'little pixel drawing thingies' to you graphic wh**es. They are two of the most popular games on the planet. Graphics may be nice, but I'll be hanged long before they become the benchmark for a good game. |
lordjnus
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:14:00 -
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Hold on to pokemon my friend, I now all about it all my kids play it, I have moved on. |
Anatoly Gasputin
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:15:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Grapichs? of all the major issues, real problems, and sensible arguments, you rail on the grapichs? The Electronics Upgrade skillbook is missing, the Repair Guns need to be worked out, there are three turret models to be made, 2 more dropsuit types, 3 more weapons, corp battles, chat systems, buddy systems, a couple nigh useless skills to tweak, and hit detection is still a tad off and encumbered by auto-aim, and you whing about GRAPICHS?
...I spelled it wrong on purpose, use spellchecker dammit.
And don't forget that there will most likely be a racial variations of all the suits and vehicles. And more vehicles. And racial variations of the weapons. So much to be added.  |
lordjnus
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:19:00 -
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Now all about variations , play EVE myself. |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:33:00 -
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Zev Caldari wrote:These aren't the final graphics.
These aren't the final graphics.
These aren't the final graphics.
What is so hard to understand about that?
GRAPHICS DON"T MATTER IF THE GAMEPLAY IS GOOD.
If people really wont play a game for bad graphics they missed out on some of the classics on the old consules  |
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lordjnus
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:40:00 -
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ye good luck with that.. |
Lewis Shinypants
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:10:00 -
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Those who will fixate on the graphics are going to be younger kids. Fact is, CoD is pretty. CoD has kids. Older gamers, are not going to give as much of a ****. A large portion of the PS3 audience is older... Just my two cents. Yes appearance matters. But with great gameplay? All your going to get is the serious shooter players, not you ehh BF3 isn't busy anymore, lets try this out.
~~AND~~~
As someone said, these aren't the final graphics. So.. calm dem man *******.
(Though, some 12 year old gun fodder would be nice, if we had proxy chat.) |
lordjnus
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:17:00 -
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just wanted to rock the boat a little, as we speak we a gathering a senior corp to join Dust 514 , hopefully in 2012. :) |
bauloe reporter
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:30:00 -
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People will first come for the graphics but will stay for the game play
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Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:34:00 -
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its easy to say dont throw the this is a beta about... but i hate to say it, but it is......
its unfair to review a game ccp dont want to be reviewed yet (NDA)
the reason we know this is purly for test purposes if they havnt even given us the full game yet. were missing the most vital parts of what is going to make dust what it is (ie corp battles).... its like judging a car before they even put the engine in or the panels on....
not to mention the forced NDA.
im guessing none of those reviewers were in the last build. i was and if you saw that and think what we have now is bad. jez last build was amazingly bad. its jumping in leeps and bounds. its to early to be fairly judged.
finally people very quickly forget when looking at this game. its completly free.... and for standards of pounds pur quality then this has to be the best games of all times. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:08:00 -
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lordjnus wrote:Just saying, and dont throw the " just beta or bad console " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WrJ_kjxsuk&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTzp9BE7G9M&feature=relmfuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7XDIDfhGbY&feature=relatedThis game will fail horrible if it dosent improve a lot and fast, have also read a lot of forums and many say, " what to expect from a F2P game" and have never seen so bad grapich in a beta before and that from beta testers. You can also read comments from the IGN players just played it. www.ign.comThis is a game for the average ps3 player that will play 10 min or 3 ours, no one will play a game that looks like its from 2003 . So really hope you have some improvement coming fast , I am myself looking forward to play the game, but would be nice to se more then 100 online at the time. Let the game shine CCP and give us 2012 grapich, and dont say that I dont understand the gameplay , I am used to play EVE so I am used to hard gaming, fitting etc. And that its a F2P game is no excuse to make a bad looking game , would rather pay $70 for a good game then playing a average F2P game. Hope there will be a Dust 514 event on the next fanfest also.... but this is not looking god. It seemed to me that the worst of the forum are those MAG ppl that QQing abut Heavy with AR or ""immortal"" tanks.. what a mistake  . Sorry, but this is how it looks.
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Ray seveN
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:15:00 -
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Lol just imagine if he was in the last build, "why am I playing a ps2 game?" would be the question he would most likely ask. |
Gatsu Scarz
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:16:00 -
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Vetis Cato wrote:finally people very quickly forget when looking at this game. its completly free.... and for standards of pounds pur quality then this has to be the best games of all times.
Is it free sub or is the actual game free?
*sorry abit off topic |
Ray seveN
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:21:00 -
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Gatsu Scarz wrote:Vetis Cato wrote:finally people very quickly forget when looking at this game. its completly free.... and for standards of pounds pur quality then this has to be the best games of all times. Is it free sub or is the actual game free? *sorry abit off topic
actually free, no sub, no entrance fee, nothing just download and play |
Relyt R
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:21:00 -
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noticing that those of us from the last build for the most part are much, much more optimistic (except protoman) |
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lordjnus
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:29:00 -
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Never played MAG , also played the build on fanfest and in may...sorry to dissapoint you, but I still stand on what I said. :) |
Azura dark
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:37:00 -
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i agree with the first guys video about the shooting mechanics feel bad..if i am completely honest to ccp to help them as a console gamer , as it stands i prefer playing bf3 due to the fact the controls in dust feel clunky and i find it hard to keep my crosshair on the persons body constantly wich i can do in battlefield games and cod games, for me the only reason atm i prefer bf3 is the controls feel way way smoother for that game and easier to track my target with my sights while ads. but i know ccp can improve this. if it feels good to control, and players feel in totally in control of what they are doing, it will be a success. I have come to respect ccp because they listen to there players. the open beta should be an interesting time for ccp, proberly the most important. |
Ray seveN
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:41:00 -
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lordjnus wrote:Never played MAG , also played the build on fanfest and in may...sorry to dissapoint you, but I still stand on what I said. :)
so the improvement from last build (graphically) is very small then? If the trend continues, next build will look fantastic. we have 2 weeks till then |
lordjnus
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:44:00 -
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I have faith , if you play EVE you see that CCP have done a great job in that game. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:30:00 -
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When playing, you aren't really seeing the graphics, and I'd rather something that flows at 30+ fps, than really really pretty graphics.
That said, look at the difference between the previous build, and this one.
Night and day. Apples and Oranges. ****, and not-****.
Then get up to speed on what the Unreal 3 Engine is capable of, and you'll start to see where Dust might end up at.
There are still room for improvements, but I'd rather the devs spend their time on fixing the glitches they find in the game itself, before they start spending time on the graphics. |
Ender Storm
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:40:00 -
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I would not give much weight to reviews being done about a closed early beta test game made by twats that are breaking the NDA just for trolling sake.
Its actually pretty good for what it is at the stage it is. Still lots to evolve but then still lots of time to develop it. |
Unit-775
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:51:00 -
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This one is nice
he did play eve on his tablet (0:51).
and he isn't allowed to show footage, but he can give us a review without breaching the NDA.
Thats all because hes Travis the son of Rambo |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:51:00 -
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I like grapichs, but when I really think back on it, it's not grapichs that keep me playing a game for years on end. Especially since those games usually start to look pretty dated after a few years *cough*Source engine*cough* |
D-Rock
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
6
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Posted - 2012.07.16 21:21:00 -
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I am definitely of the gameplay over graphics group. Amazing graphics are great but if the gameplay isn't up to much no long term playability. IMO Dust is hopefully going to offer long term playability especially when connected into EVE.
I never played the last build but I have high hopes for the game and that the graphics will improve. I do agree though that the controls aren't the best at the moment, again something that I'm sure will be fixed.
I look forward to seeing what comes with the next build. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.07.16 21:27:00 -
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You spelt "First impressions and previews" wrong.
Nobody said anything about reviewing the game based on a very obviously work-in-progress beta. |
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Zero Harpuia
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.07.16 21:36:00 -
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Just got around to the 'reviews'... and I gotta say, between the videos and comments the 'reviewers' are on a level below the mentally handicapped. Calling out glitches for tower camping, dressing down the graphics of a BETA for not reaching release quality, and otherwise just rampant NDA traipsing. |
Bleeding Gums Murphy
TYRANNY of EVIL MEN
0
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Posted - 2012.07.16 22:17:00 -
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In all honesty, don't we want both top shelf graphics and excellent game play? I don't think having the best of one should exclude the other. The developers of this game can more than handle that task. The proof is that I have more FUN playing this nearly broken, unbalanced, piece of crap beta THAN ANY OTHER GAME I've played in years! It's like CCP got inside my head and figured out exactly what I want from a FPS. They set out to create the greatest 'something' of all time. Be it console game, FPS, console MMO, video game or what have you. Don't let them to lower their standards now. Demand they give their best effort and we be rewarded with the only game anyone needs to play (combined with Eve, of course-bought a new laptop just so I had a decent system to download and play it on :) ) for the rest of the PS3's life cycle. |
jus nukem
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Posted - 2012.07.16 22:21:00 -
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Is this dude a prepubescent or what? Graphics have that an immense of an effect of whether or not you enjoy GAMEPLAY!?!?!? What a waste you are as a gamer if that's the case. SMH |
Bleeding Gums Murphy
TYRANNY of EVIL MEN
0
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Posted - 2012.07.16 22:30:00 -
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Don't jump offsides so quick son. Read. Graphics have nothing to do with how much fun a game is. But there is still one simple question: Why not both, gameplay and graaphics? |
TabbieKat
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Posted - 2012.07.16 22:36:00 -
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This being my umpteenth Beta i have played, this is standard graphics. Anyone who has done at least one beta in the past will tell you the graphics are the last to be totally fixed. seeing as how graphics do not make the game but how the controls, interface, and other more important things work. The graphics will be at full about 2weeks to a month before official release of the game. Right now the best thing you can do is play the game when it is up, find bugs, give suggestions on how things can be improved, tell them what you did not like about the game, and what you liked about it. Graphics should only be your concern if your gun is floating above some guys head or how sometimes in the Comms match a tank turret will get stuck in the air and be there for the whole match. |
counter logic
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:05:00 -
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It is quite simple. Console players are not use to a PC style beta. Dust 514 is doing a PC mmo style beta. aka events every weekend or every few weekends for mass testing and putting the build through the grinder. While a more polished and aggressive build is tested internally. These are what PC gamers refer to as REAL betas. This is because the game is not nearly finished and everything is subject to change.
Console players don't experience real betas very often. What they see are demos dressed up to look like betas when they are really just very very very final balance adjustments. The companies tell players they are participating in a beta when it is really final product promotion. This is why you are seeing many bad reviews, they do not understand what a beta is. They do not understand that betas are not review material.
They will not be missed when the game is released. |
Armatsu
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:24:00 -
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I absolutely hate people sometimes. Regardless of your impression of the game the TC apparently has no idea what a beta is. This is a true beta as a previous poster has said that is using player feedback and monitoring their systems to make tweaks to builds and test various aspects of the game before piecing them all together as a whole. When games such as Halo and CoD have a "beta" they aren't letting you test the game so they can improve it, they are giving you a final release of the game for a weekend hoping you get addicted and buy it when its released the following week. The difference is that those games have gone "gold" before beta (going gold means that the final code has been sent of to the ESRP to get a rating and when it is approved they can start mass producing) and thus are making no changes what so ever aside from trying to pull you into the game while they start pumping out discs.
This game is in closed beta, it has its problems as almost anyone will admit but to chop a game apart for these issues in such an early stage is just idiotic. If you've browsed the game at all you've noticed that most of the features have a "SOON" tag. That alone should be a give away that "oh this game is still being worked on".
I do find it funny though how people never learn. For years people have been breaking NDA's and giving terrible reviews for beta's only to play a release version of the game and give it a good review. There should be a site that gathers beta reviews and release reviews and compares them just to show reviewers how stupid they are at thinking a game will look just like the beta on release. |
Lost Limb
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:41:00 -
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counter logic wrote:It is quite simple. Console players are not use to a PC style beta. Dust 514 is doing a PC mmo style beta. aka events every weekend or every few weekends for mass testing and putting the build through the grinder. While a more polished and aggressive build is tested internally. These are what PC gamers refer to as REAL betas. This is because the game is not nearly finished and everything is subject to change.
Console players don't experience real betas very often. What they see are demos dressed up to look like betas when they are really just very very very final balance adjustments. The companies tell players they are participating in a beta when it is really final product promotion. This is why you are seeing many bad reviews, they do not understand what a beta is. They do not understand that betas are not review material.
They will not be missed when the game is released.
I agree, and I think this is the main issue. I've only played consoles (no PC hate just never bought a nice PC) and I think a lot of console gamers went into the beta thinking it was a demo. Since they're playing a raw form of the game they're experiencing a little bit of mental breakdown because it goes against what they're used to. Dust has so much potential they want it all and they want it now as opposed to watching it grow. Myself personally the first time I played it I said this sucks and walked away, but later thought better of it and had some fun when I came back to it. To console gamers out there I say this; yeah some of it's broken right now, but have some fun with it and enjoy the improvements that are made over time. This game is being designed to have a loooooong shelf life and this is just the beginning. |
Kitt 514
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:42:00 -
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counter logic wrote:It is quite simple. Console players are not use to a PC style beta. Dust 514 is doing a PC mmo style beta. aka events every weekend or every few weekends for mass testing and putting the build through the grinder. While a more polished and aggressive build is tested internally. These are what PC gamers refer to as REAL betas. This is because the game is not nearly finished and everything is subject to change.
Console players don't experience real betas very often. What they see are demos dressed up to look like betas when they are really just very very very final balance adjustments. The companies tell players they are participating in a beta when it is really final product promotion. This is why you are seeing many bad reviews, they do not understand what a beta is. They do not understand that betas are not review material.
They will not be missed when the game is released.
QFT
Couldn't have said it better. |
EVICER
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Posted - 2012.07.17 02:27:00 -
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Lewis Shinypants wrote:Those who will fixate on the graphics are going to be younger kids. Fact is, CoD is pretty. CoD has kids. Older gamers, are not going to give as much of a ****. A large portion of the PS3 audience is older... Just my two cents. Yes appearance matters. But with great gameplay? All your going to get is the serious shooter players, not you ehh BF3 isn't busy anymore, lets try this out.
~~AND~~~
As someone said, these aren't the final graphics. So.. calm dem man *******.
(Though, some 12 year old gun fodder would be nice, if we had proxy chat.)
Kids dont have money us older guys do.I thought at first if its only going to have a couple maps than they gotta upgrade the graphic( lol)but if they have hundreds of planets which if my character can own a district and trick it out with orbital defense guns and set it up they way I want it. Make ISK off of to fund and pay my merc buddies to keep mine.Which also gives me enough money to pay an EVE player with a TITAN to orbitally bombard your @$$ from space for ever even considering to attack me............then I dont care bout graphic ..lol |
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Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.07.17 03:35:00 -
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The guy in the first video pointed out that Dust is CCP's first FPS. What he didn't mention was that Eve is CCP's first game. And from that view they have done one hell of a good job. Not only have they made an MMO that runs on a single server but they are adding another aspect to it that runs on entirely different gaming system. Nobody has ever done anything like what they are doing. So sit back and relax. If you can't, you know where the door is. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.07.17 03:47:00 -
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Oh look, another doomsday thread. |
Zeran Haggai
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
196
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Posted - 2012.07.17 03:51:00 -
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i can't even begin to take seriously anyone who "reviews" a game based on an early beta. It's like someone reviewing a movie, but instead of watching it in the theater they went and watched a couple weeks of filming and reviewed based on that. There are neither faces nor palms big enough. |
Gatsu Scarz
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:14:00 -
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Come on bud this aint bad at all. When i got the merc pack i was like "OMG iv just blown -ú14".
But like many of these guys have said its Beta , you cant be hateing on it down to visuals.
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tryian776
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.07.17 09:49:00 -
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This is my first ever PS3 game and I'm loving it.
Sure, a few rough edges but nowhere near as rough as I thought it would be.
My only complaint is the load/start sequence.
If its gonna take AGES to get into game at least let the process be hand off so I can go put the kettle on ;)
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Nstomper
Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0
205
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Posted - 2012.07.17 09:57:00 -
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He asked for it "it's just a beta dude" |
Valen Alabas
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:16:00 -
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Disgaea rocks big time, because of the Story behind the game and the good
and funny gameplay. I would not say that it is a game for kids.
Dust 514 rocks also. I like the Skillsystem and the idea behind this game.
We are not here to test the Graphic alone.
We test the Mechanic of this game and the Balance.
Graphic is the lowest point on the List I think to test.
So keep up testing and see later on how the graphic will be on the next builds.
Cheers
Valen
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JONLUK167
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:46:00 -
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Lewis Shinypants wrote:Those who will fixate on the graphics are going to be younger kids. Fact is, CoD is pretty. CoD has kids. Older gamers, are not going to give as much of a ****. A large portion of the PS3 audience is older... Just my two cents. Yes appearance matters. But with great gameplay? All your going to get is the serious shooter players, not you ehh BF3 isn't busy anymore, lets try this out.
~~AND~~~
As someone said, these aren't the final graphics. So.. calm dem man *******.
(Though, some 12 year old gun fodder would be nice, if we had proxy chat.)
Your wrong there bud im 45 and played games on ATARI, the first PS, and other consoles that you kids probably never herd of, it does matter. and most of the players i play with range from 16 to 50 there are alot of us older guys then you think. |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:50:00 -
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Based on empirical evidence, Dust 514 isn't on par with any major FPS out on PS3. |
Raven Tesio
Liandri Hel-Jumpers
Liandri Covenant
35
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Posted - 2012.07.17 13:36:00 -
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As someone who has been involved in developing First Person Shooters in the past, I can actually tell you that Graphics actually have a considerable effect on the gameplay.
In-fact there have been times where "balancing" a weapon often has less to do with changing the stats behind it and far more to do with tweaks made to the animation or perspective... the issue comes down to the game accurately portraying the action that is happening, which graphics have a major effect upon.
Although I very much doubt most reviewers or even players who want their games to look photo-realistic understand this when they ask for better graphics ... so I'd probably be with others saying graphics in those terms are less important, but even something as subtle as how much colour is in the scene (which right now DUST looks very washed out and bland colour-wise) can have an immense impact on a players enjoyment.
There are frankly more things wrong with DUST than simply graphics though.
Collision and Performance are considerably poor still. Sure the performance was greatly improved (particularly network wise) with the last update, but the Physics are still incredibly poor quality.
Prior to adding any "variation" weaponry or such, it is greatly important that features such-as Physics, Maps, etc... receive the highest priority with very regular (these should be at the very least WEEKLY updates) so that regular feedback can be provided.
At the pace that CCP are currently pushing out updates there is almost no point to providing feedback as it can be up to a month before any changes are acted upon - this means by the time we provide feedback we are already using an old build.
As it stands DUST right now feels like a Community Modification, with people who don't seem to know what they're doing but want to give it a go. I have no problem with this when it comes to ModDB projects, but for a game intended to be a AAA Console Title this honestly is unacceptable.
Saying "Oh well DUST will be unqiue, so won't be competing with Game X" ... sorry but that is just crap.
Regardless if you want it to be compared to the other AAA titles, it WILL be. This means the game either has to step-up in terms of quality or the community that will end up playing it will be too nitch+¬ to support it and end up fading away.
The game that everyone keeps bringing up MAG might've have a fantastic concept and been fun for those who played it, but fact is it is no longer online... thus dead. Look at it through whatever rose-tinted glasses you like doesn't change this fact either.
It had the potencial to survive for the lifetime of the PlayStation 3, where-as you look at Halo 3 for example; which STILL has an adverage of 1million concurrent players.
When you keep in mind that games like Battlefield 3 and Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, which sold 7x as many copies as Halo 3 only have an average of 1.5-2million concurrent players... it might dawn just how important quality and gameplay is.
I would say as it stands, CCP have thier priorities and focus wrong. |
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lordjnus
9
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Posted - 2012.07.17 13:48:00 -
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My man, best reading so far :) |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.07.17 13:55:00 -
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Raven
I agree...still everyone keep telling me "this is a beta...this isn't X FPS/VG".
Even Kojima or Miyamoto take due consideration of what other developers do, even take inspiration, but around here people seems to believe that CCP should not do it, that CCP is above this mentality.
I won't say more. |
lordjnus
9
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Posted - 2012.07.17 14:23:00 -
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its funny to read bloodfans telling us to use the door and leave and that we dont understand the game , do not matter, this time I think CCP must and will make a game that has to do it well in the public , money talks. I do think many players (bloodfans) whant it to start with a low playerbase and then increase after a wile, I think Dust 514 must do it well in the begining or it will fade a way.
Thats wy I am stressing this, even asked same question to the devs on fanfest on how bad it looks. I whant this game to be good.
And if you remember from fanfest one of the last thing said from the stage and showing on the screen, " we whant to be the best game in 2012"
watch dust keynote on youtube or www.dust514.com .
And it also looks like all bad comments must come from a 14 year old, I am 45 myself and think I am rather reflective, but my english spelling is bad, but after all I am from a non english people  |
Azura dark
31
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Posted - 2012.07.17 15:01:00 -
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+1 Raven Tesio
i play the battlefield series when not testing dust, and where dust is at this point in time, im having more fun playing the bf series. yes this is beta and things are improving but this game will be compared to bf3 and cod and as it needs to bring in the playerbase from these games dust needs to compete, lets face it the game goes live in a few months time. i'll tell you the core reasons i prefer bf over dust atm for me and a few friends that had beta access and quit.
no1. reason we prefer battlefield , is the controls feel slugish and not smooth to shoot in dust, shooting someone while ads, it's very jerky when trying to stay on the target, feels bad to me, i dont have this problem in bf at all, the controls are very smoth and not jerky at all even while ads. im sure ccp can make it smoother and less jerky.
no2. reason atm is balance. i enjoy bf more due to everyone is on a level playing field that people that have been playing longer than me can still be killed easy enough due to my fps skills from day 1
no3 reason is the spawning atm is terrible, i know this is being fixed but im stating why at this point in time i prefer there competition.
4. throwing grenades still is weird still doesnt feel like im throwing it, more like it just spawns out of my chest and flies off into the distance, and also i have no idea where its gonna land, wich feels weird
5. no way to group with my friends, bugs the hell outa me ha
i do prefer the way vehicles cost money and there is risk to using them, this is better than battlefield, but i really dont think militia vehicles should be in the final build. all vehicles should be purchased.
i also love the way we earn sp and skill up that way.
i respect ccp more than dice currently, but atm bf feels more Fun at this point in time due mostly to the controls, and that i cant be useful as a team member, wich currently i feel like a lone wolf even when in a squad. nobody seems to use the squad leader abilities. and i have no idea when people need ammo for me to drop.
like i said this game is months away from release so im comparing how i currently feel about coming from my current game i play, into dust. dust is will be the better game at release im sure of it, and what they say there adding - new game modes, pve , betting low/ null sec all sounds great so im looking forward to dusts official release. just make sure the core mechanics / physics of the game are polished before official release plz.
inb4 its a beta. |
Sessyllu Melcadra
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.07.18 04:21:00 -
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To keep it short, ccp is asking us what's wrong with the gameplay and issues. The graphics WILL come later, if you watch the e3 video and the fanfest touney, they had a more updated graphics skin.
And this is ccp we're talking here, they arent going to settle with an "ok" game, that sh1* is gonna constantly get updated compared to other games. |
Ayures0
259
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Posted - 2012.07.18 05:00:00 -
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Quote:This game will fail horrible if it dosent improve a lot and fast. . .
I remember back when I was in beta for another game and people would complain about this. The graphics sucked, the mechanics were horrible, lag was terrible, etc. Everybody said that it would never be able to catch up to or pass EverQuest 2.
I think WoW did pretty well, though. |
John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2012.07.18 05:45:00 -
[57] - Quote
Oh my god.
Yes, obviously CCP has no clue how to make a game look good. I mean look at the screen shots below I got from my EVE client. God, their art/graphics dept is just terribad.
Now it looks like this
Two years ago it looked like this.
Yep, no track record there. . .
By the way My CPU is a single core 2.2ghz Celeron with 3 gigs of RAM and the Graphics card is a 1gig DDR3 ATI, so it's not like this is powerhouse gaming rig territory here. 4.3 Windows score.
Seriously. Worry about core gameplay right now, if it's two weeks away and it look like minecraft, worrry. Right now there are other things to worry about. I'd rather they fix the gameplay & implement the stuff marked "Soon(TM)" than the shiny-shiny bullcrap right now. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.07.18 08:02:00 -
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Those bad reviews are mostly fueled by raging CODers who never understood the game... I heard one guy in those leaked vid say : " i never understood how to change my fit" and another one "as it's a beta, fits can't be changed"....
So screw them.
The game isnt perfect but those "2 day reviews" makes me laugh. How about NDA ? if they cant understand that....
Regarding the last posts.
Dust will never compete with BF3 and COD, that's a fact. Why ?
=> Only one game released (not annual crap)
=> Free
=> Constant evolution
=> MMO & FPS
Then, if you need to compare the gameplay, it is also NOT on the same playground than COD or BF3. Played both games. Got bored quickly.
BF3 is supposed to be a war simulation ( huge recoil, low health, slow movements, OP vehicles) and COD is the ARCHETYPE of the casual FPS game (quick unscopped, one bullet weapons usable in rush, perks, killing spree reward)
Dust has a more arcadey, pacey feeling. Some people will NEVER like the feel of it. But personnaly, i already played A LOT more of Dust in the beta than BF3 or COD. And add A LOT more fun also. It's all about your own point of view.
Regarding Graphics, who cares ? I can understand what Raven said regarding animations. But seriously, the game is quite fine already and we're still at least 2-3 builds away from the game to be released imho.
And even then, if graphics are average, i just wont give a **** for as long as i have the deep gameplay i'm looking for.
A bit like civilization compared to other war games. People actually told me it's ugly and slow. Well, i'll take a CIV 6 everyday instead of a Starcraft 3.
Regarding MAG, it died because of its developpers who never maintenanced their servers properly, never understood how the game needed to evolve, listened way too often some stupid people and their whining demands, and more important : Lacked the true ambition to make its concept succeed => actual persistence. |
lordjnus
9
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Posted - 2012.07.18 13:52:00 -
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lets hope you are right :) |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.07.18 14:32:00 -
[60] - Quote
Regarding graphics maybe people should take a look at Defiance which is coming also on PS3 and Xbox and that is a MMO TPS.
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.18 19:53:00 -
[61] - Quote
IGN players so much lol, retards tbh
Graphics are meaningless
Its the gameplay which is important |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.07.19 09:15:00 -
[62] - Quote
The gamepaly is actually Dust 514 major weakness.
By the way they are called video game for a reason: graphic is a part of the experience does count.
Graphic is not everything but surely isn't meaningless. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.19 10:48:00 -
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Anyone saying it's fun and you've played it more than any other FPS? That's because it's easy. There is very little skill in the gun play. Point click, let bullet spread get you te kill. Because we all know hip fire is more accurate than aiming lol. I agree graphics come later, but they must come.
Also, for those saying "CCP will add updates" guess what happens when you delete a game? You don't check for updates. Because it was garbage.
@The guy who said MAG is dead.
I have a clan battle this weekend, as do 3 or 4 other clans. Seriously, come play MAG, I'll show you what dead is. I popped on last night and was like "wtf, everyone is on?" Tbh I think so many people are disappointed currently, they will happily play a 3 year old game, with bad graphics, and many flaws, because it's more fun.
@People who didn't see the bad reviews comming.
LOL. IGN guys played for a day or 2. IGN guys are known for making vids. Really, CCP, if you have an NDA in place, don't keep letting random little groups on. IGN will be talking about how terrible Dust was until it gets released. Then they'll sit there and go "LoLDust"
Seriously, I appreciate CCP don't do marketing, but for goodness sake, a closed beta should be closed. Otherwise just open it up for everyone. |
Enervating
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.07.19 11:29:00 -
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Game reviewers these days are so jaded, I couldn't care less what they think. I canceled every one of my subscriptions to them, and refuse to listen to a word they have to say. For people that can't see a game past it's graphics, go back to pong and learn what it tuly is to be a gamer. Dust is progressing, and CCP is doing great.
Damn trolls... |
Awiergan Snowcash
Doomheim
40
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Posted - 2012.07.19 13:11:00 -
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The sheer number of people passionate about the beta guarantees the game won't fail. This thread is absurd. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:12:00 -
[66] - Quote
Awiergan Snowcash wrote:The sheer number of people passionate about the beta guarantees the game won't fail. This thread is absurd.
All 500 of them yeah? Your statement is absurd. |
Boksoon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:04:00 -
[67] - Quote
To be perfectly honest, I love the aesthetic of DUST. The graphics themselves leave a lot to be desired, but the underlying design is a pleasure to look at. Taking a second to look at the intricacy of a shotgun on your character reveals the detail put into the weapon.
The low resolution, texture pop-in, and low quality textures can always be changed, but the aesthetic was nailed down perfectly. |
DaedNite
SecTor 8E
1
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Posted - 2012.07.19 21:48:00 -
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One of the only gripes I have with Dust is no KB/M support yet. This wouldn't be a big deal and I can ignore dust altogether if they didn't state that it was going to have it. I am really quite terrible with the sticks and only play PC shooters for this reason. I cannot play more than a few games without wanting to throw my controller through the TV :D
If they plan on backing out of the KB/M support I wish they would really just come out and say it so those of us waiting for it can just get over it. I love the EVE universe and love FPSs, but I prefer to play with them on a platform that allows my preferred input method. If they do decide to back out of KB/M support I can take my sad panda self elsewhere or plug back into EVE. |
Angavu Vulgaris
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.07.19 21:49:00 -
[69] - Quote
Zev Caldari wrote:These aren't the final graphics.
These aren't the final graphics.
These aren't the final graphics.
What is so hard to understand about that?
Quoted for truth... |
Corvus Ravensong
Skyel Industries
Subspace Exploration Agency
179
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Posted - 2012.07.19 23:44:00 -
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Once again, retards violate their NDA, and expect a finished polished game out of a product still in development. **** 'em - if they are that stupid they should stick to their weekend of release previews....... err demos........ err Betas, and leave real beta testing to folks who actually know what ""Closed testing", "Work in Progress", "Beta test" and "Development copy" mean. |
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Maken Tosch
263
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Posted - 2012.07.20 01:02:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:Based on empirical evidence, Dust 514 isn't on par with any major FPS out on PS3.
That's because you're comparing an "unfinished" closed beta to a series of "already-finished" games. It's like saying that my Honda Accord (complete and everything) is way better than the Chevy Corvette that is still being assembled in the factory floor. |
Maken Tosch
263
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Posted - 2012.07.20 01:07:00 -
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OP, you do realize that those reviews are based on "unauthorized" videos posted on YouTube about a game that is "not finished", right? CCP hasn't even allowed us to post any such information on the court of public opinion because it is a "closed beta".
Such reviews will hurt CCP in terms of potential customers (AUR buyers) being discouraged to use the game while at the same time potentially undermining the effort of CCP to expand on the Eve universe through Dust. The game is not done yet and if people are basing their opinions on an unfinished game in public than this will almost kill Dust before it's even launched. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. |
Maken Tosch
263
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Posted - 2012.07.20 01:08:00 -
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PS: Playing a game just for the graphics is like reading a Playboy Magazine for the story. |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
39
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Posted - 2012.09.25 21:22:00 -
[74] - Quote
I know this is really late. But the reason that a lot of these things are so bad is because if they were all high end and up to today's standards we'd have HORRIBLE memory issues due to the focus needed on the BIGGER problems such as FPS mechanics, which is supposed to be changed a bit next build (Look the video up yourselves I am NOT your personal proof gathering slave), and other things like connection errors, invalid fits, loads of other crap that, believe it or not, is MOST LIKELY going to be resolved by release.
Also Gameplay > Graphics!
Edit: Now for those of you who aren't smart or mentally stable enough to understand my point: Graphics and other things that give the game more quality will rise up to higher standards once the MAJOR testing is finished (Less memory being used because the testing has obviously stopped and moved onto things LIKE THE GRAPHICS)... The logic of the majority of you just... Makes my sides burn from laughter. |
Dilectus Himmel
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.09.25 21:33:00 -
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As long as i know what's what the graphic are fine. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.09.25 21:50:00 -
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Awiergan Snowcash wrote:The sheer number of people passionate about the beta guarantees the game won't fail. This thread is absurd.
To be quite honest the only thing the game (beta) has going for it at the moment is it's free. If things don't improve vastly and it gets released with the current mechanics it's going to be a pretty empty place after a couple of months.
Console players are an unforgiving bunch with a low toleration threshold in a market where you can go play any number of better FPS's.
CCP aren't well knowm on the PS3 and there won't be much in the way of loyalty for them and there way of doing things. |
Gangsta Stephan
14
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Posted - 2012.09.25 21:57:00 -
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stfu the game is fine how it is it likes a little like mag just not fully not done the game is gonna be fine so watch |
Ranger SnakeBlood
38
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Posted - 2012.09.25 22:48:00 -
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The game aint no where near ready there are quite a few layers of polish/refinment to be added to the basic gameplay aspects which are its main issue if the game does not play well then it will have a real issue but there is a very good reason for this its not done yet with around a half a year or so left of testing and activision can churn out another cod in that time |
Shiro Mokuzan
220
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Posted - 2012.09.26 00:43:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:To be more concise, ever hear of Pokemon? Disgaea? They use sprites, or 'little pixel drawing thingies' to you graphic wh**es. They are two of the most popular games on the planet. Graphics may be nice, but I'll be hanged long before they become the benchmark for a good game.
Disgaea is a good series, but I think you got "niche series that most people never heard of" confused with "one of the most popular games on the planet". |
drake sadani
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.09.26 02:46:00 -
[80] - Quote
if ccp where more envolved i would have more of a positive outlook |
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Loumn2
14
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Posted - 2012.09.26 02:53:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Grapichs? of all the major issues, real problems, and sensible arguments, you rail on the grapichs? The Electronics Upgrade skillbook is missing, the Repair Guns need to be worked out, there are three turret models to be made, 2 more dropsuit types, 3 more weapons, corp battles, chat systems, buddy systems, a couple nigh useless skills to tweak, and hit detection is still a tad off and encumbered by auto-aim, and you whing about GRAPICHS?
...I spelled it wrong on purpose, use spellchecker dammit.
I'm sure CCP is holding back on the graphics until release. Agreed, graphics are the least important thing CCP needs to be worrying about. |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:06:00 -
[82] - Quote
oh LOOK!!.....SHINY!!
surface=/=substance?
surface can be polished..... OOH SHINY!!!
(So) go ahead, you unwashed masses, howl your frustration, i toss bread at your feet, callous knave you squabble over table scraps.
I give of your brothers blood that you shall not want of mine, an hark you bray for more.
Know ye, you that have ever been slave to illiterate desire. Brave fool crying the night for the surrept philter bought at freedoms edge, and sold for safeties lie.
Its easy to jump to conclusions given a lack of evidence, lines get drawn in the sand, correlations guessed at, end points sought via tangental trajectory. Discrepancies in methodology create erroneous conclusions, like chinese whispers at an acid party.
You don't have to have faith or any kind of belief in the developer, you have been asked to participate with full awareness that the program is incomplete, the mechanics mostly untuned and the game still missing vital components and systems.
 still waiting for the next build already!!!!! ...
"its a beta" |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:37:00 -
[83] - Quote
FFS THIS IS WHY WE HAVE AN NDA. So spoilt little kiddies don't judge an UNFINISHED GAME as if it is finished. It CLEARLY says WORK IN PROGRESS at the top. |
HK-40
120
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:40:00 -
[84] - Quote
It says a lot about them that they are trying to do a game review on a Beta.
Durrr
That is all. |
Corban Lahnder
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:59:00 -
[85] - Quote
lordjnus wrote:Just saying, and dont throw the " just beta or bad console " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WrJ_kjxsuk&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTzp9BE7G9M&feature=relmfuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7XDIDfhGbY&feature=relatedThis game will fail horrible if it dosent improve a lot and fast, have also read a lot of forums and many say, " what to expect from a F2P game" and have never seen so bad grapich in a beta before and that from beta testers. You can also read comments from the IGN players just played it. www.ign.comThis is a game for the average ps3 player that will play 10 min or 3 ours, no one will play a game that looks like its from 2003 . So really hope you have some improvement coming fast , I am myself looking forward to play the game, but would be nice to se more then 100 online at the time. Let the game shine CCP and give us 2012 grapich, and dont say that I dont understand the gameplay , I am used to play EVE so I am used to hard gaming, fitting etc. And that its a F2P game is no excuse to make a bad looking game , would rather pay $70 for a good game then playing a average F2P game. Hope there will be a Dust 514 event on the next fanfest also.... but this is not looking god.
FIne you win the game will fail.
Feel better? No?
How about people reserve judgement on success or failure till launch. This isn't the final product its a beta. We dont tell you its a beta to quell criticism, we remind you its a beta so you stop basing judgement of the product off of its current unfinished form.
Christ this is getting old.
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Saiibot
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:01:00 -
[86] - Quote
lordjnus wrote:Just saying, and dont throw the " just beta or bad console " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WrJ_kjxsuk&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTzp9BE7G9M&feature=relmfuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7XDIDfhGbY&feature=relatedThis game will fail horrible if it dosent improve a lot and fast, have also read a lot of forums and many say, " what to expect from a F2P game" and have never seen so bad grapich in a beta before and that from beta testers. You can also read comments from the IGN players just played it. www.ign.comThis is a game for the average ps3 player that will play 10 min or 3 ours, no one will play a game that looks like its from 2003 . So really hope you have some improvement coming fast , I am myself looking forward to play the game, but would be nice to se more then 100 online at the time. Let the game shine CCP and give us 2012 grapich, and dont say that I dont understand the gameplay , I am used to play EVE so I am used to hard gaming, fitting etc. And that its a F2P game is no excuse to make a bad looking game , would rather pay $70 for a good game then playing a average F2P game. Hope there will be a Dust 514 event on the next fanfest also.... but this is not looking god.
Gamplay sucks too, lest you forget! |
Saiibot
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:15:00 -
[87] - Quote
Corvus Ravensong wrote:Once again, retards violate their NDA, and expect a finished polished game out of a product still in development. **** 'em - if they are that stupid they should stick to their weekend of release previews....... err demos........ err Betas, and leave real beta testing to folks who actually know what ""Closed testing", "Work in Progress", "Beta test" and "Development copy" mean.
LOL! CCP themselves doesn't even seem to know what 'closed testing' means! Not with them giving every other person and their brother access to the beta! That was a very dumb thing for them to do |
Saiibot
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:24:00 -
[88] - Quote
fenrir storm wrote:Awiergan Snowcash wrote:The sheer number of people passionate about the beta guarantees the game won't fail. This thread is absurd. To be quite honest the only thing the game (beta) has going for it at the moment is it's free. If things don't improve vastly and it gets released with the current mechanics it's going to be a pretty empty place after a couple of months. Console players are an unforgiving bunch with a low toleration threshold in a market where you can go play any number of better FPS's. CCP aren't well knowm on the PS3 and there won't be much in the way of loyalty for them and there way of doing things.
You make perfect sense! Truth hurts for many of the ccp loyalists and "dust bunnies" on these forums. |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.26 17:59:00 -
[89] - Quote
Saiibot wrote:fenrir storm wrote:Awiergan Snowcash wrote:The sheer number of people passionate about the beta guarantees the game won't fail. This thread is absurd. To be quite honest the only thing the game (beta) has going for it at the moment is it's free. If things don't improve vastly and it gets released with the current mechanics it's going to be a pretty empty place after a couple of months. Console players are an unforgiving bunch with a low toleration threshold in a market where you can go play any number of better FPS's. CCP aren't well knowm on the PS3 and there won't be much in the way of loyalty for them and there way of doing things. You make perfect sense! Truth hurts for many of the ccp loyalists and "dust bunnies" on these forums.
i think you place too much credence in brand loyalty and recognition. Sure bald faced consumers will flock to the latest and greatest, specifically for a grand old purchase from a recognised franchise :P, the interest is in association.
Whether or not DUST makes it out of the gates, is up to the DEV's and their controllers, opining about the future release based upon limited data, or by reference to other games in a finished state i'll leave to those that specialise in conjecture.
"truth hurts", but "whose truth, from whose perspective?"
Cmon next build! :P I wants looks at ewar and its affect on the meta game .....(at which point may i be better informed of whether or not DUST is the game for me....) |
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