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Lorebot
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:36:00 -
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I was pretty shocked by the fact that the Large Missile Turret has such a ridiculous amount of recoil on a HAV when compared to a Railgun or a Blaster. It's not only a huge pain in the butt, it's also completely unrealistic.
It's a Missile launcher...it doesn't have recoil, it fires self propelled munitions, all the force of firing comes from the projectile itself not the launcher. Conversely the Railgun should have an immense amount of recoil considering it's imparting all the force into the projectile and accelerating it to relativistic velocities. The Blaster should fall somewhere in the middle of the two since it fires smaller rounds than the Railgun and at slower velocity, but at a faster rate.
I haven't tried the Large Missile Turret on a Marauder yet, but given the frequency that I've been wrecked by them I'm guessing the recoil is less when equipped on a more advanced hull.
I would also like to mention, Missiles are GUIDED projectiles. The Swarm Launcher fires missiles...the small and large Missile turrets actually fire Rockets...perhaps a name change is in order...or better yet...being able to Lock a target with a turret? |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:38:00 -
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I have noticed this on my militia tank as well. Can anyone confirm if it behaves the same way on the higher tier tanks? |
Skytt Syysch
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:44:00 -
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I'm pretty sure all of the large missile turrets function that way on the HAVs. It's a known issue, and one workaround I've heard is zoom in with L1 before firing and it won't trigger the recoil.
And the railgun does have a bit of recoil, enough to make the (likely very heavy) vehicle jump up a little with each shot, which will throw off any passenger turrets if they fire around the same time following the main gun. It's not as much as the missiles, but, I'm pretty sure that's acknowledged to be a bug. |
Lorebot
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:48:00 -
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Skytt Syysch wrote:I'm pretty sure all of the large missile turrets function that way on the HAVs. It's a known issue, and one workaround I've heard is zoom in with L1 before firing and it won't trigger the recoil.
And the railgun does have a bit of recoil, enough to make the (likely very heavy) vehicle jump up a little with each shot, which will throw off any passenger turrets if they fire around the same time following the main gun. It's not as much as the missiles, but, I'm pretty sure that's acknowledged to be a bug.
I can confirm that this is NOT true....the very first time I ever fired my Large Missile Turret I was zoomed in on a distant target and after firing the turret my tank was thrown backwards and flipped on its side. When it righted itself I was facing nearly 120 degrees to the right of where it'd been previously positioned....not the turret mind you...the tank was facing the wrong way... |
Skytt Syysch
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:53:00 -
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Lorebot wrote:Skytt Syysch wrote:I'm pretty sure all of the large missile turrets function that way on the HAVs. It's a known issue, and one workaround I've heard is zoom in with L1 before firing and it won't trigger the recoil.
And the railgun does have a bit of recoil, enough to make the (likely very heavy) vehicle jump up a little with each shot, which will throw off any passenger turrets if they fire around the same time following the main gun. It's not as much as the missiles, but, I'm pretty sure that's acknowledged to be a bug. I can confirm that this is NOT true....the very first time I ever fired my Large Missile Turret I was zoomed in on a distant target and after firing the turret my tank was thrown backwards and flipped on its side. When it righted itself I was facing nearly 120 degrees to the right of where it'd been previously positioned....not the turret mind you...the tank was facing the wrong way...
I will have to see the next time I'm on. That's what I've always been told is the workaround to that issue. Maybe it has to do with how long you're holding it through the firing animation or something. |
Traynor Youngs
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.12 17:20:00 -
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Skytt Syysch wrote:Lorebot wrote:Skytt Syysch wrote:I'm pretty sure all of the large missile turrets function that way on the HAVs. It's a known issue, and one workaround I've heard is zoom in with L1 before firing and it won't trigger the recoil.
And the railgun does have a bit of recoil, enough to make the (likely very heavy) vehicle jump up a little with each shot, which will throw off any passenger turrets if they fire around the same time following the main gun. It's not as much as the missiles, but, I'm pretty sure that's acknowledged to be a bug. I can confirm that this is NOT true....the very first time I ever fired my Large Missile Turret I was zoomed in on a distant target and after firing the turret my tank was thrown backwards and flipped on its side. When it righted itself I was facing nearly 120 degrees to the right of where it'd been previously positioned....not the turret mind you...the tank was facing the wrong way... I will have to see the next time I'm on. That's what I've always been told is the workaround to that issue. Maybe it has to do with how long you're holding it through the firing animation or something.
My Gunloggi doesn't do this unless I fire really close to an object, like a wall or something (or lamppost).
I believe the physics is attempting to represent blowback against those objects.
When I fire in the open while zoomed in, I don't get any recoil. |
Bones1182
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:34:00 -
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Lorebot wrote:I was pretty shocked by the fact that the Large Missile Turret has such a ridiculous amount of recoil on a HAV when compared to a Railgun or a Blaster. It's not only a huge pain in the butt, it's also completely unrealistic.
It's a Missile launcher...it doesn't have recoil, it fires self propelled munitions, all the force of firing comes from the projectile itself not the launcher. Conversely the Railgun should have an immense amount of recoil considering it's imparting all the force into the projectile and accelerating it to relativistic velocities. The Blaster should fall somewhere in the middle of the two since it fires smaller rounds than the Railgun and at slower velocity, but at a faster rate.
I haven't tried the Large Missile Turret on a Marauder yet, but given the frequency that I've been wrecked by them I'm guessing the recoil is less when equipped on a more advanced hull.
I would also like to mention, Missiles are GUIDED projectiles. The Swarm Launcher fires missiles...the small and large Missile turrets actually fire Rockets...perhaps a name change is in order...or better yet...being able to Lock a target with a turret?
Having seen first hand the effects of an MLRS(multiple launch rocket system) and fired a handheld rocket I can tell that they do have recoil. They exert thousands of pounds of force just to leave the tube. Some of that force will translated to the launch vehicle. However the recoil from the missile turrets in this game is very excessive but yes the tank should shake and rock when firing missiles.
Edit There unguided missiles they are called ballistic missiles they function like an artillery round the arc determines their target and there are guided rockets fly by wire or even laser targeted. I believe the difference is in their construction somewhere but I am not certain it could also be simply that random Joe chose to give said weapon its name. |
Lorebot
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:59:00 -
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Bones1182 wrote:There unguided missiles they are called ballistic missiles they function like an artillery round the arc determines their target and there are guided rockets fly by wire or even laser targeted. I believe the difference is in their construction somewhere but I am not certain it could also be simply that random Joe chose to give said weapon its name.
I suppose that's a valid point. Perhaps I'm missing something about the nomenclature. Let's look it up!
Answers.com says: A missile is also a rocket, the difference is that it hold explosive for mass destruction. a rocket is just use to propelling vehicle like in satellites etc. missiles are self guided by the help of inertial navigation system.
Yahoo Answers says: In a military context, a rocket is not guided, a missile is.
But let's go to the experts now: The Range Employees at the White Sands Missile Range operated by the US Army usually simplify the discussion by saying a missile has a guidance system or brain to get it to its destination and a rocket just goes where it is initially pointed.
So the general consensus seems to be that you Aim a Rocket, but you designate a Target for a Missile.
So by military terms, the Swarm Launcher fires a group of Missiles, but the Missile Turrets are firing Rockets.
I believe some renaming or some new features for Missile turrets are in order :) |
Enervating
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:35:00 -
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I've had a salvo launch from my tanvk and my tank bounce higher than itself in the air, shudder 90 degrees left or right, and once flip on it's side.
I think the recoil might be set a liiiitle too high. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:02:00 -
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That would explain the friendly tank I saw literally FLYING UPSIDE DOWN earlier tonight...
It was awesome. |
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Skytt Syysch
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:33:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:That would explain the friendly tank I saw literally FLYING UPSIDE DOWN earlier tonight...
It was awesome.
If you mean it going into breakdance mode, I brought that up with one of the devs and there's a couple threads floating around about it. It happens when the HAV ends up upside-down, it just becomes a violent tornado, and you can pretty easily cause it by destroying the RDV before it drops off the HAV, or grinding against solid objects as that seems to bounce the vehicles all around from the weird collision mechanics right now. It might also happen if you managed to flip it from the missile recoil though, but I've generally seen it happen to non-missile tanks (I'm not sure if the bigger missile turret would cause it to roll back over, as the other turrets are smaller and flatter). |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:37:00 -
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I don't know. I just know I saw a tank that was upside down, not touching the ground, and flying along like it was a badly-piloted Dropship. |
Adun Red
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:18:00 -
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Lorebot wrote:I was pretty shocked by the fact that the Large Missile Turret has such a ridiculous amount of recoil on a HAV when compared to a Railgun or a Blaster. It's not only a huge pain in the butt, it's also completely unrealistic.
It's a Missile launcher...it doesn't have recoil, it fires self propelled munitions, all the force of firing comes from the projectile itself not the launcher. Conversely the Railgun should have an immense amount of recoil considering it's imparting all the force into the projectile and accelerating it to relativistic velocities. The Blaster should fall somewhere in the middle of the two since it fires smaller rounds than the Railgun and at slower velocity, but at a faster rate.
I haven't tried the Large Missile Turret on a Marauder yet, but given the frequency that I've been wrecked by them I'm guessing the recoil is less when equipped on a more advanced hull.
I would also like to mention, Missiles are GUIDED projectiles. The Swarm Launcher fires missiles...the small and large Missile turrets actually fire Rockets...perhaps a name change is in order...or better yet...being able to Lock a target with a turret?
Al I know is they own my upgraded heavy all the time. I did not even know they had recoil. Those tanks are beasts. |
Bones1182
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:41:00 -
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Lorebot wrote:Bones1182 wrote:There unguided missiles they are called ballistic missiles they function like an artillery round the arc determines their target and there are guided rockets fly by wire or even laser targeted. I believe the difference is in their construction somewhere but I am not certain it could also be simply that random Joe chose to give said weapon its name. I suppose that's a valid point. Perhaps I'm missing something about the nomenclature. Let's look it up! Answers.com says: A missile is also a rocket, the difference is that it hold explosive for mass destruction. a rocket is just use to propelling vehicle like in satellites etc. missiles are self guided by the help of inertial navigation system. Yahoo Answers says: In a military context, a rocket is not guided, a missile is. But let's go to the experts now: The Range Employees at the White Sands Missile Range operated by the US Army usually simplify the discussion by saying a missile has a guidance system or brain to get it to its destination and a rocket just goes where it is initially pointed. So the general consensus seems to be that you Aim a Rocket, but you designate a Target for a Missile. So by military terms, the Swarm Launcher fires a group of Missiles, but the Missile Turrets are firing Rockets. I believe some renaming or some new features for Missile turrets are in order :) Explain laser guided rockets fired by MLRS and before you quote the internet again I was stationed at Ft. Sill For the better part of 5 years. I am quite well aware of the generalizations that are made but the fact is that the terms are very often used interchangeably and the game is still in development options for guided missile may yet be added to the tanks. |
Lorebot
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:03:00 -
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Bones1182 wrote:Explain laser guided rockets fired by MLRS and before you quote the internet again I was stationed at Ft. Sill For the better part of 5 years. I am quite well aware of the generalizations that are made but the fact is that the terms are very often used interchangeably and the game is still in development options for guided missile may yet be added to the tanks.
There are obviously exceptions to every generalization. I'm not saying that rockets 'can't' be guided or that missiles 'must' be, but that in the most general use of the terms and the common military vernacular they are.
Obviously the game is still in development and changes are bound to be made and features added, that's why I'm bringing this up now instead of after release.
In EVE the smallest Missile weapon system there is is the Rocket Launcher. It stands to reason that the smallest weapons used in ship to ship space combat may be the largest weapons available for vehicle combat in an atmosphere or on the ground. |
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