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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.09.27 23:35:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:So, I've seen the whole Clinton / Trump debate this morning (it was late night/early morning ETZ I guess) and I had confirmations about what I was already thinking. I'm italian and I know I shouldn't really have any say on this topic since very similar movements and ideological "values" are very present in Italy and all over Europe, but, and please be brutally honest, what makes Trump so attractive? It's not a provocative question, I seriously want to know why Trump supporters are supporting him.
Most people support one of these candidates simply because they hate the other more. Both are garbage, so pick your poison. I guess you could say Trump probably means a lot of what he says, which could be construed as sincerity in a way, rather than blabbering meaningless talking points to your voter base.
Democracy has failed. This guy said it best, although we're all conditioned from birth to hate him and ignore everything he said... turns out he was right after all... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0F-U1vw31k
Kind of like listening to Mel Gibson ramble on about how Jews were the cause of wars while drunk and arrested for DUI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson#Alcohol_abuse_and_legal_issues
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.09.28 00:48:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I think Trump is the protest vote. A lot of people feel marginalised and think that society is moving too quickly. I think that if reform was more gradual, people would be more willing to accept it.
People support Trump precisely because it's ferociously shoved down their throats why they shouldn't support him. Reasonable people are voting for Trump not because they necessarily support his policies, but they haven't had the time to properly consider the policies that they feel have suddenly crept up on them. It's a knee-jerk reaction to the overpowering liberal movement.
It's not just people voting for Trump as an act of defiance against those trying to pressure them not to vote for him. It's also people voting for him as a way of saying frakk the system. Some might argue that Trump is the system, but he's not. I'm not supporting him by saying this. He doesn't owe anyone anything. Congress has no control over him because digging up any dirt on him never worked. He has said some of the most craziest comments that are sure-fire ways of killing one's own chances of even getting a party nomination (let alone the presidency) yet here he is. He has gone and pissed off almost every member of his own party and likely that of the entire Congressional leadership because they now know they can't keep him under a leash.
He is absolutely unhinged. Colin Powell was right about him. Just criticizing him at all is only emboldening him. He is, in a way, a troll. And what's the first rule about dealing with trolls? Don't feed the troll. And what did every politician who was running for office do for the past 2 years straight? They gave him the whole buffet.
And his ego is so large I don't think it can even be measured.
And the worse part about this is that the people who are likely to vote for him probably* do understand who they are voting for this time. And that is sad because then that means we can't trust the usual politicians anymore. Every member of Congress has so many skeletons in the closet (or Cabinet in some cases) that people would rather vote for someone who they at least know is crazy than to vote for someone who is just likely to do more of the same thing. As for Trump's skeletons? No one seems to care anymore about them.
* - fixed a grammatical error there.
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Posted - 2016.09.28 21:53:00 -
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Today I had a history lesson... on the forums of a dead video game.
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Posted - 2016.09.29 03:14:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:LOL KILLZ wrote:IMO I don't understand why we don't include other party candidates into the conversation.
The generations that came before us almost feel obligated to abide by the status quo.
You know, I always wondered why does the USA have only two major parties. What if you disagree with both? You should disagree with both. They're both equally flawed and designed to keep your population in perpetual stalemate. Both parties fail an making any real progress, yet they always have the excuse of joining the 'other party'... It's a sick joke and leads me back to my original point: Democracy is a sham I believe there's a third candidate, the "what is Aleppo" guy. Now that would be a protest vote.
The "what is Aleppo" guy you're referring to is Gary Johnson from the Libertarian Party.
But there is also a fourth candidate running for president. Her name is Dr. Jill Stein and she's from the Green Party.
Both of them are third party candidates that you can vote for if you don't like the two primary options. There is technically no law in the United States that stops you from voting for a third party candidate. And anyone can be on the ballot as long as they meet the requirements set by the states. How to get on the ballot can be explained in the link below.
https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates
According to Jill Stein's website, she has ballot access across 48 states with 3 of them for Write-In status.
http://www.jill2016.com/ballot_access
Gary Johnson seems to have 100% ballot access which means you will see his name on the ballot in every state.
https://ballotpedia.org/Gary_Johnson_presidential_campaign,_2016#Ballot_access
So there you go. No one HAS to vote for either the Giant Douche or the Turd Sandwich. You can always go for one of the OTHER two.
Just keep in mind that both of the third party candidates do have their flaws but they can't possibly be worse than what you see happening in the popularity contest right now.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:54:00 -
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byte modal wrote:
I can empathize with those that view Trump as the F.U. vote as a commentary on trust in the political system. Or whatever. My problem there is that I've yet to talk with one person who is looking at Trump for that reason. I'm not seeing it online either. Granted, my experience is anecdotal. The ones that I do know who think on those terms aren't looking a Trump to be that finger to the man or even as a joke because they are aware that he could win and don't want to support that.
It's very likely that you might run into one such person if they happen to be a former Bernie Sanders supporter. A number of his supporters have vowed to either not vote at all or vote for Trump this coming election in protest of Hillary Clinton and the DNC if Bernie Sanders doesn't get the nomination. This is where the hashtag #BernieorBust came into being.
Well, fast forward to the days leading up to the Democratic National Convention and everyone found out through leaked emails (those pesky emails again) that the DNC conspired against Bernie and did everything they could to hinder his goal of getting the nomination.
Many of Trump's supporters vowed the same thing if Trump didn't get the nomination for his party. They're version of #BernieorBust so to speak. But Trump got the nomination despite all efforts from the RNC trying to stop him which now only solidifies his base of supporters and there is a likelihood that a fraction of those supporters include those who felt alienated by the Democratic Party.
To be fair, Bernie Sanders did try his best to motivate everyone to support Hillary simply because he doesn't want to see Trump become president, but I don't think that is enough anymore given the damage that was already done by the Democratic Party.
As for Trump, his party is still largely against him. Almost every member of his own party is still opposed to him in some way. So even if Trump get's the White House, it's very likely that the Republican Party in Congress will not work with him.
There is no doubt that Hillary does have experience as a politician, but the question here is more about her intentions. Is she REALLY going to enact the kind of change that she promises to the American People? Probably not. Will Donald Trump be able to enact change as he promises? I don't think so either.
So we have one of two outcomes that look very similar.
1. We get a lame duck president who can't get the backing from his own party and nothing changes.
2. We get a president who is very likely to forget the promises she made and just have more of the same keep happening.
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Posted - 2016.09.29 22:34:00 -
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byte modal wrote:Do you really believe they will pull that trigger? See it all burn in spite? It's one thing to chest-thump. It's another to fill in a circle and live with the aftermath for four (or more) years.
Don't tempt humanity that way. You just might get them triggered.
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