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Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 607	Posted - 2016.04.30 01:55:00 - [1] - Quote When i first heard about dust what got me interested in it was the fact that it was trying to be ambitious, A massive open world shooter that wanted to be apart of massive universe that was already established. i would watch the trailers and would read about it a lot so when i found out they were in closed beta i immediately went to go sign up for it and luckily i was able to get into early closed beta when we had that one mode (forgot the name) but it was like battlefields rush mode. i could go on a long story about my dust514 experience but that isnt this kind of thread. yesterday i dont know why but i just had the feeling to search dust 514 on youtube but saw some things about a nova and came across some gameplay videos of it and watched a few. My first thought was "hey this looks interesting" then i came across this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oum7JUD4DAc and after watching him talk about it i lost interest completely. To sum it how i was after watching that and reading his interviews look at the woman's disgusted facial expression in the beginning of the video that is how my face was. There is no ambition with nova at all not even close to what dust 514 was trying to do on weaker technology infact dust if its still playable is more ambitious than what ccp is trying to do with nova. " a hardcore competitive arena shooter" i believe that is what they are calling it "with 16v16 battles" and that is so bland especially because too many games nowadays especially first person shooters are trying to do nothing to separate themselves for each other. Dust514 even though too ambitious for its platform at least tried to be something different. When i saw nova however i saw call of duty and that was a immediate turn off. I thought moving to pc was supposed to add to the game not take away, change and dumb down. From what i saw and read about nova its just going to be cqc arena junk with no vehicles or anything (granted its still early and they havent mentioned alot about nova but i have a doubting feeling their vision of that game being what they said they want it to be will change). there are gonna be no large maps (when i say large i mean dust large) no vehicles they changed progression so instead of a skill point system where you can put them into whatever you want they dumbed it down into a cod like progression where you unlock stuff by playing that specific class... 16v16 players (which was dust's player count btw) One race? and just so many other things that just make this seem very disappointing. people complained about dust's map being to big and yes i agree they were big and had no action in some parts but that is only because the devs could not increase the player count on the maps becase of the ps3 hardware. the ps3 was limiting so much so when i heard about them moving it to the pc in the form of legion i got very excited. Now there's no excitement. i finally thought i was going to be able to get massive battles, hover bikes, jets, more suit types, more weapons,more players in matches, bigger (non re used maps), and so much more they promised to with with dust but could not because of the hardware but now looking at nova it seems that even on a better platform i still wont get any of that.
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 7223	Posted - 2016.04.30 02:10:00 - [2] - Quote oh boy...another one..correct vehicles were not ready yet as they wanted to make sure you weren't running around with 5fps every match like dust..they want to polish up the gameplay so that it's actually smooth this time.. actually nvm i'm done with this nonsense o7 good luck in other games
SOGZ PANDA WarRavens Imperium Eden 384	Posted - 2016.04.30 02:13:00 - [3] - Quote You must swipe left on tinder/grinder a lot ProjectNovaShenron
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 607	Posted - 2016.04.30 02:18:00 - [4] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: oh boy...another one..correct vehicles were not ready yet as they wanted to make sure you weren't running around with 5fps every match like dust..they want to polish up the gameplay so that it's actually smooth this time.. actually nvm i'm done with this nonsense o7 good luck in other games Nonsense? i dont care how much polishing they want to do, ratati or whatever his name is already gave his vision of what this project will be. 5 fps every match was based on two factors, the ps3 hardware which was so outdated, and the devs lack of experience dealing with console hardware. They could have kept dust's foundation and built more on to that and focused polishing in test phases like what dust had but instead they decided to scrap dust's foundation entirely to make a cod type of game.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 15354	Posted - 2016.04.30 02:32:00 - [5] - Quote Nstomper wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: oh boy...another one..correct vehicles were not ready yet as they wanted to make sure you weren't running around with 5fps every match like dust..they want to polish up the gameplay so that it's actually smooth this time.. actually nvm i'm done with this nonsense o7 good luck in other games Nonsense? i dont care how much polishing they want to do, ratati or whatever his name is already gave his vision of what this project will be. 5 fps every match was based on two factors, the ps3 hardware which was so outdated, and the devs lack of experience dealing with consoles. They could have kept dust's foundation and built more on to that and focused polishing in test phases like what dust had but instead they decided to scrap dust's foundation entirely to make a cod type of game. What about the LAV glitch, or any number of other glitches like falling through the map, poor hit detection etc? There was A LOT of crap code in Dust. PS3 wasn't the only problem. You can't tell jack by comparing a pre alpha demo to a game that has been operating in some form or fashion for 4 years. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 607	Posted - 2016.04.30 02:36:00 - [6] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Nstomper wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: oh boy...another one..correct vehicles were not ready yet as they wanted to make sure you weren't running around with 5fps every match like dust..they want to polish up the gameplay so that it's actually smooth this time.. actually nvm i'm done with this nonsense o7 good luck in other games Nonsense? i dont care how much polishing they want to do, ratati or whatever his name is already gave his vision of what this project will be. 5 fps every match was based on two factors, the ps3 hardware which was so outdated, and the devs lack of experience dealing with consoles. They could have kept dust's foundation and built more on to that and focused polishing in test phases like what dust had but instead they decided to scrap dust's foundation entirely to make a cod type of game. What about the LAV glitch, or any number of other glitches like falling through the map, poor hit detection etc? There was A LOT of crap code in Dust. PS3 wasn't the only problem. You can't tell jack by comparing a pre alpha demo to a game that has been operating in some form or fashion for 4 years. i didnt just blame it on the hardware though that was a big factor, if you read again i also did mention that ccp's lack of experience with consoles was also to blame. please re read a bit before white knighting , i used to white knight ccps heavily years ago then i finally woke up. and im not basing my views on a tech demo... im basing it from what came out of rattattis mouth in the video interview, and his other interviews
Skihids Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3671	Posted - 2016.04.30 02:48:00 - [7] - Quote If you have been around for any length of time you know that CCP is the absolute worst company at communication. If you are basing your views on the ramblings of one member of CCP you are most assuredly developing the wrong picture. If you want to follow a game with open development, join Star Citizen. They have hours of video and dozens of posts WEEKLY. If SC is Niagra Falls, CCP is that annoying leaky faucet that drips once every couple minutes. Don't expect to have any clue what their intentions are until you actually see the gameplay. Stop complaining and wait to see what they come out with. Not two months ago we were sure there wasn't going to be a successor to DUST, so be happy there is something, anything coming.
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 608	Posted - 2016.04.30 02:54:00 - [8] - Quote Skihids wrote: If you have been around for any length of time you know that CCP is the absolute worst company at communication. If you are basing your views on the ramblings of one member of CCP you are most assuredly developing the wrong picture. If you want to follow a game with open development, join Star Citizen. They have hours of video and dozens of posts WEEKLY. If SC is Niagra Falls, CCP is that annoying leaky faucet that drips once every couple minutes. Don't expect to have any clue what their intentions are until you actually see the gameplay. Stop complaining and wait to see what they come out with. Not two months ago we were sure there wasn't going to be a successor to DUST, so be happy there is something, anything coming. ive been following star citizens, and yes ive been here from very very early on but quit due to real life and even then i was still following the game so believe me im well aware of how ccp is doing things, yes my views are based off of a devs rambling on a early project however they need to see 2 sides of a community not just one, not all dust vets are going to be happy with what they've shown about Nova so you can not stop people from complaining
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7962	Posted - 2016.04.30 03:01:00 - [9] - Quote Nstomper wrote: Skihids wrote: If you have been around for any length of time you know that CCP is the absolute worst company at communication. If you are basing your views on the ramblings of one member of CCP you are most assuredly developing the wrong picture. If you want to follow a game with open development, join Star Citizen. They have hours of video and dozens of posts WEEKLY. If SC is Niagra Falls, CCP is that annoying leaky faucet that drips once every couple minutes. Don't expect to have any clue what their intentions are until you actually see the gameplay. Stop complaining and wait to see what they come out with. Not two months ago we were sure there wasn't going to be a successor to DUST, so be happy there is something, anything coming. ive been following star citizens, and yes ive been here from very very early on but quit due to real life and even then i was still following the game so believe me im well aware of how ccp is doing things, yes my views are based off of a devs rambling on a early project however they need to see 2 sides of a community not just one, not all dust vets are going to be happy with what they've shown about legion so you can not stop people from complaining We're not trying to stop people from complaining. We're trying to get across the fact that as a shooter dust was a FAILURE. Like the first Planetside, Dust 514 was made fun to play by social interaction and the freedom to use whatever playstyle you want. The gunplay itself was always sub-par and it dragged down the whole experience. This time around they're focusing first on the weaknesses of the original before trying to build some giant-ass vision that never got delivered on. Ambition is worthless when you can't deliver. This time around CCP is aiming to deliver. http://biomassed.net/2016/04/24/what-we-know-about-project-nova-so-far/ Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 608	Posted - 2016.04.30 03:06:00 - [10] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Nstomper wrote: Skihids wrote: If you have been around for any length of time you know that CCP is the absolute worst company at communication. If you are basing your views on the ramblings of one member of CCP you are most assuredly developing the wrong picture. If you want to follow a game with open development, join Star Citizen. They have hours of video and dozens of posts WEEKLY. If SC is Niagra Falls, CCP is that annoying leaky faucet that drips once every couple minutes. Don't expect to have any clue what their intentions are until you actually see the gameplay. Stop complaining and wait to see what they come out with. Not two months ago we were sure there wasn't going to be a successor to DUST, so be happy there is something, anything coming. ive been following star citizens, and yes ive been here from very very early on but quit due to real life and even then i was still following the game so believe me im well aware of how ccp is doing things, yes my views are based off of a devs rambling on a early project however they need to see 2 sides of a community not just one, not all dust vets are going to be happy with what they've shown about legion so you can not stop people from complaining We're not trying to stop people from complaining. We're trying to get across the fact that as a shooter dust was a FAILURE. Like the first Planetside, Dust 514 was made fun to play by social interaction and the freedom to use whatever playstyle you want. The gunplay itself was always sub-par and it dragged down the whole experience. This time around they're focusing first on the weaknesses of the original before trying to build some giant-ass vision that never got delivered on. Ambition is worthless when you can't deliver. This time around CCP is aiming to deliver. http://biomassed.net/2016/04/24/what-we-know-about-project-nova-so-far/ So lets say the game does turn to be nothing more than a cqc arena based shooter like cod but has good gameplay will that then be success? no i dont think so, but that is the kind of game i believe they are aiming for going off of rats words about his vision for this project. if that changes in the future i'll be more open minded but as of now no i cant be with what ive seen so far

Marston VC SVER True Blood RUST415 1834	Posted - 2016.04.30 03:14:00 - [11] - Quote This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it. When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain..... Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage. So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again...... Marston VC, STB Director
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 608	Posted - 2016.04.30 03:29:00 - [12] - Quote Marston VC wrote: This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it. When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain..... Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage. So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again...... My mindset right now is "no they are never going to add what i wanted in dust into nova" that is why i made this thread,if i had the thought in my head that they were going to add the things in the future then i wouldnt have made this thread plain and simple. bitching and moaning like it or not is a form of feedback , cpp could have shut down dust and went through this tech demo, static fps, greenlight, testing, and other phases years ago when many people including myself kept telling ccp that what they wanted to do with dust just was not going to work out on the ps3 and that they should move it to the pc. but what did they do? they decided not too listen and instead continue to try to do the impossible which was foolish then they went the path of milking money from its playerbase that was left. Bleh better late than never i gues..........
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 7224	Posted - 2016.04.30 03:43:00 - [13] - Quote all the links and vids mostly are collected in Darth Carbonite sexy's thread..if that is not enough for you then complain in the other threads that have been constantly debated in.. or just wait for Alpha if there even is one as this demo isn't even greenlit i'm not saying not to complain my issue was we don't need a new thread for every single person who dislikes what they saw, just one or 2 collected threads is enough...CCP needs as much positive feedback as possible or this demo will be shelved like Legion as a tanker and ads pilot i feel the pain but i want this game to succeed instead of being thrown together to fast and half assed or being shelved i do apologize for my earlier comment as i'm just frustrated with everything, not with you
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13370	Posted - 2016.04.30 03:49:00 - [14] - Quote sigh Not this again. Please refer to the following thread for all of the information you need to know before passing any judgement. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=227484&find=unread PS: I'm going to start posting this on any more new threads that pop up complaining about how uninteresting Nova is. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 13020	Posted - 2016.04.30 03:49:00 - [15] - Quote Sweet, delicious tears. You will season my dinner tonight... Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
DUST Fiend 18259	Posted - 2016.04.30 03:54:00 - [16] - Quote Marston VC wrote: So let's try to get the game green lit. THIS. This right here is what ***** triggers me so god damn *** hard. It wasn't bad enough we had a 10 year laser focused plan for this game with zero chance of a DUST 2. This game seriously has the most dedicated *** playerbase I've ever seen, even if it is a small one. Sure there a few outspoken impossible to please people like myself, but this community has gone through *** hell and back for this game, and we STILL can't get the go ahead from Hilmar? We're STILL looking at Soon (TM)? How the does this not anyone else off? Why the should I have to rub CCPs ego to get this thing *** approved? How the ** is it not a given by this point? My brain is a dead hamster on an ever turning wheel. Feed me.
Marston VC SVER True Blood RUST415 1835	Posted - 2016.04.30 03:57:00 - [17] - Quote Nstomper wrote: Marston VC wrote: This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it. When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain..... Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage. So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again...... My mindset right now is "no they are never going to add what i wanted in dust into nova" that is why i made this thread,if i had the thought in my head that they were going to add the things in the future then i wouldnt have made this thread plain and simple. bitching and moaning like it or not is a form of feedback , cpp could have shut down dust and went through this tech demo, static fps, greenlight, testing, and other phases years ago when many people including myself kept telling ccp that what they wanted to do with dust just was not going to work out on the ps3 and that they should move it to the pc. but what did they do? they decided not too listen and instead continue to try to do the impossible which was foolish then they went the path of milking money from its playerbase that was left. Bleh better late than never i gues.......... One of the interviews pretty much said that this game is eventually going to be exactly what we wanted dust to be and it was the executive producer who said it. Of course he didn't say it that way specifically, he just detailed all the things we wanted dust to be and how they were eventually going to be acheived through nova. Your disappointed now? I can't imagine how hurt your feelings will be when they can the project and your sitting there wondering why..... Marston VC, STB Director
Marston VC SVER True Blood RUST415 1838	Posted - 2016.04.30 04:08:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Marston VC wrote: So let's try to get the game green lit. THIS. This right here is what ***** triggers me so god damn *** hard. It wasn't bad enough we had a 10 year laser focused plan for this game with zero chance of a DUST 2. This game seriously has the most dedicated *** playerbase I've ever seen, even if it is a small one. Sure there a few outspoken impossible to please people like myself, but this community has gone through *** hell and back for this game, and we STILL can't get the go ahead from Hilmar? We're STILL looking at Soon (TM)? How the does this not anyone else off? Why the should I have to rub CCPs ego to get this thing *** approved? How the ** is it not a given by this point? The concept is old but this game specifically is not. This game is only 6 months old. Legion got canned because they weren't pleased with how it was being received. 8 years late is better then 12 years late. Which is what will be looking at if they can the project a third time with nova. I don't think I'm particularly dedicated. I'm just not the one who's going to be the reason they can this game again. if anything, I'll be one of the many responsible for making it become green lit because I'm not shitting on the pre alpha constantly. Marston VC, STB Director
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1574	Posted - 2016.04.30 04:12:00 - [19] - Quote Right. just like all the fighter aircraft and medium assault vehicles? It's going to be CoD with a dust skin, no chat, no interaction, and everything's unlocked from the start. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
DUST Fiend 18259	Posted - 2016.04.30 04:15:00 - [20] - Quote Marston VC wrote: if anything, I'll be one of the many responsible for making it become green lit because I'm not shitting on the pre alpha constantly. And you are more than welcome to pat yourself on the back for your efforts. If CCP can't stomach some negative feedback for the second iteration of a game that isn't even out yet then I'm not sure what to say. Most of us do it out of love. A sick, twisted, deformed and unholy love, but love all the same. My brain is a dead hamster on an ever turning wheel. Feed me.

Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7964	Posted - 2016.04.30 04:16:00 - [21] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Right. just like all the fighter aircraft and medium assault vehicles? It's going to be CoD with a dust skin, no chat, no interaction, and everything's unlocked from the start. That's some detailed insider info you got yourself there. Got a source for it? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 608	Posted - 2016.04.30 04:18:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: sigh Not this again. Please refer to the following thread for all of the information you need to know before passing any judgement. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=227484&find=unread PS: I'm going to start posting this on any more new threads that pop up complaining about how uninteresting Nova is. going off of my experience with ccp here when i see those words in his quotes in that thread mean nothing at this moment, they are just words. His words do not make me excited or hopeful because looking at the past and their words as opposed to what actually did or didnt happen surely you will understand what im trying to say. first day back on forums i did not feel like searching through pages for this and other threads similar to mine. with ccp now and many other games i base things off of what i see shown in videos, in patch notes, and dev live letters, not words from devs about what may or my not come in the future especially with a ccp game
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 608	Posted - 2016.04.30 04:19:00 - [23] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Right. just like all the fighter aircraft and medium assault vehicles? It's going to be CoD with a dust skin, no chat, no interaction, and everything's unlocked from the start. oh so then battlefield? how about halo?
Marston VC SVER True Blood RUST415 1838	Posted - 2016.04.30 04:20:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Marston VC wrote: if anything, I'll be one of the many responsible for making it become green lit because I'm not shitting on the pre alpha constantly. And you are more than welcome to pat yourself on the back for your efforts. If CCP can't stomach some negative feedback for the second iteration of a game that isn't even out yet then I'm not sure what to say. Most of us do it out of love. A sick, twisted, deformed and unholy love, but love all the same. You might be doing it out of dedication. Your ranting at least seems reasonable. Most of everyone else is being a big old bbbbbbbbbbbbbbitcchhhhhh Marston VC, STB Director
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1574	Posted - 2016.04.30 04:24:00 - [25] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Right. just like all the fighter aircraft and medium assault vehicles? It's going to be CoD with a dust skin, no chat, no interaction, and everything's unlocked from the start. That's some detailed insider info you got yourself there. Got a source for it? GÇªpeople are perceiving the loadouts that they start with to be the definitive loadouts. TheyGÇÖre there to help you start the game, and afterwards weGÇÖre definitely aiming freedom that you have in DUST 514. WeGÇÖre trying to learn the lessons of DUST and not just give you all these choices in the beginning. there are no direct ties between Eve Online and Project Nova outside of being set in the same universe. That future is all an open map,GÇ¥ says +ürnason. GÇ£We can do whatever we want, after we demonstrate the correct shooting mechanics. So it's going to launch with nothing, and pray that enough people play so they can implement the stuff that's kept people here for years. I can understand wanting to make a good shooter base for the game, but they're saying that's ALL they're even thinking about right now. Know what other game had a great shooter base and basically nothing else? Destiny. That went over like a wet fart in an elevator, and they had one of the best names in the industry when it came to their niche to move copies and keep people thinking some improvements were on the way. What does CCP have? http://biomassed.net/2016/04/24/what-we-know-about-project-nova-so-far/ CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13371	Posted - 2016.04.30 04:28:00 - [26] - Quote Nstomper wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: sigh Not this again. Please refer to the following thread for all of the information you need to know before passing any judgement. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=227484&find=unread PS: I'm going to start posting this on any more new threads that pop up complaining about how uninteresting Nova is. going off of my experience with ccp here when i see those words in his quotes in that thread mean nothing at this moment, they are just words. His words do not make me excited or hopeful because looking at the past and their words as opposed to what actually did or didnt happen surely you will understand what im trying to say. first day back on forums i did not feel like searching through pages for this and other threads similar to mine. with ccp now and many other games i base things off of what i see shown in videos, in patch notes, and dev live letters, not words from devs about what may or my not come in the future especially with a ccp game This is Rattati we're talking about here. Unlike the past leadership, he actually has a solid record of delivering his promises. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
DUST Fiend 18259	Posted - 2016.04.30 04:29:00 - [27] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Nstomper wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: sigh Not this again. Please refer to the following thread for all of the information you need to know before passing any judgement. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=227484&find=unread PS: I'm going to start posting this on any more new threads that pop up complaining about how uninteresting Nova is. going off of my experience with ccp here when i see those words in his quotes in that thread mean nothing at this moment, they are just words. His words do not make me excited or hopeful because looking at the past and their words as opposed to what actually did or didnt happen surely you will understand what im trying to say. first day back on forums i did not feel like searching through pages for this and other threads similar to mine. with ccp now and many other games i base things off of what i see shown in videos, in patch notes, and dev live letters, not words from devs about what may or my not come in the future especially with a ccp game This is Rattati we're talking about here. Unlike the past leadership, he actually has a solid record of delivering his promises. But Hilmar is still the one calling the shots, and he looks even less enthused now than he did before. I'm certain the game will be greenlit at this point, but I'm also pretty certain it will retain its minimal team and funding. My brain is a dead hamster on an ever turning wheel. Feed me.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13371	Posted - 2016.04.30 04:32:00 - [28] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nstomper wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: sigh Not this again. Please refer to the following thread for all of the information you need to know before passing any judgement. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=227484&find=unread PS: I'm going to start posting this on any more new threads that pop up complaining about how uninteresting Nova is. going off of my experience with ccp here when i see those words in his quotes in that thread mean nothing at this moment, they are just words. His words do not make me excited or hopeful because looking at the past and their words as opposed to what actually did or didnt happen surely you will understand what im trying to say. first day back on forums i did not feel like searching through pages for this and other threads similar to mine. with ccp now and many other games i base things off of what i see shown in videos, in patch notes, and dev live letters, not words from devs about what may or my not come in the future especially with a ccp game This is Rattati we're talking about here. Unlike the past leadership, he actually has a solid record of delivering his promises. But Hilmar is still the one calling the shots, and he looks even less enthused now than he did before. I'm certain the game will be greenlit at this point, but I'm also pretty certain it will retain its minimal team and funding. If Rattati does well enough, and judging from the tech demo we saw of Project Nova he likely might, Hilmar might start warming up a little more. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
james selim brownstein NECROM0NGERS Spaceships in Space 414	Posted - 2016.04.30 06:25:00 - [29] - Quote Phuk reading this & Phuk you! n++Gòª¦¦¦¦-ç¦+¦+¦+¦+ WAITING FOR PROJECT NOVAGòñGöÇGöÇGöÇ Gò¡Gê¬Gò«n+ên+¦n++n+¦n+ë
Marston VC SVER True Blood RUST415 1840	Posted - 2016.04.30 06:45:00 - [30] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nstomper wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: sigh Not this again. Please refer to the following thread for all of the information you need to know before passing any judgement. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=227484&find=unread PS: I'm going to start posting this on any more new threads that pop up complaining about how uninteresting Nova is. going off of my experience with ccp here when i see those words in his quotes in that thread mean nothing at this moment, they are just words. His words do not make me excited or hopeful because looking at the past and their words as opposed to what actually did or didnt happen surely you will understand what im trying to say. first day back on forums i did not feel like searching through pages for this and other threads similar to mine. with ccp now and many other games i base things off of what i see shown in videos, in patch notes, and dev live letters, not words from devs about what may or my not come in the future especially with a ccp game This is Rattati we're talking about here. Unlike the past leadership, he actually has a solid record of delivering his promises. But Hilmar is still the one calling the shots, and he looks even less enthused now than he did before. I'm certain the game will be greenlit at this point, but I'm also pretty certain it will retain its minimal team and funding. If Rattati does well enough, and judging from the tech demo we saw of Project Nova he likely might, Hilmar might start warming up a little more. Looks like I have been hit by someone's Boundless Optimism. That weapon is OP, yo. OPTIMISM #HYPE Marston VC, STB Director

Marston VC SVER True Blood RUST415 1840	Posted - 2016.04.30 06:50:00 - [31] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nstomper wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: sigh Not this again. Please refer to the following thread for all of the information you need to know before passing any judgement. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=227484&find=unread PS: I'm going to start posting this on any more new threads that pop up complaining about how uninteresting Nova is. going off of my experience with ccp here when i see those words in his quotes in that thread mean nothing at this moment, they are just words. His words do not make me excited or hopeful because looking at the past and their words as opposed to what actually did or didnt happen surely you will understand what im trying to say. first day back on forums i did not feel like searching through pages for this and other threads similar to mine. with ccp now and many other games i base things off of what i see shown in videos, in patch notes, and dev live letters, not words from devs about what may or my not come in the future especially with a ccp game This is Rattati we're talking about here. Unlike the past leadership, he actually has a solid record of delivering his promises. But Hilmar is still the one calling the shots, and he looks even less enthused now than he did before. I'm certain the game will be greenlit at this point, but I'm also pretty certain it will retain its minimal team and funding. You can help change his mind. Go to Twitter and tweet him that you really want the game. I did and I convinced a few others too. The more popularity we give the game, the more excited he'll be. And honestly I don't blame him much. He was just as sold on dust as the rest of us but the old leadership put a sour taste in his mouth when they failed. Ratatti and frame have done good by us in trying to keep a sinking ship up, but it's now time to move into the next game! I think he is just coming in reserved for this one. Not expecting much is a sure fire way of not being let down. So let's do our part in proving him wrong! To Twitter my friend! Marston VC, STB Director
DUST Fiend 18262	Posted - 2016.04.30 13:34:00 - [32] - Quote Marston VC wrote: You can help change his mind. Go to Twitter and tweet him that you really want the game. I did and I convinced a few others too. The more popularity we give the game, the more excited he'll be. And honestly I don't blame him much. He was just as sold on dust as the rest of us but the old leadership put a sour taste in his mouth when they failed. Ratatti and frame have done good by us in trying to keep a sinking ship up, but it's now time to move into the next game! I think he is just coming in reserved for this one. Not expecting much is a sure fire way of not being let down. So let's do our part in proving him wrong! To Twitter my friend! I absolutely refuse to stroke Hilmars ego just to try and get this laser focused game with a 10 year plan to continue. I just flat out refuse. My brain is a dead hamster on an ever turning wheel. Feed me.
byte modal 754	Posted - 2016.04.30 14:34:00 - [33] - Quote Then call him out for being a one-trick-pony incapable of leading a 3d-shooter mmo tied into the vast EVE universe. Then undercutting his own effort effectively ensuring his failure. 2 strikes in the final inning. Bases are loaded. How he walks off the field is his choice, but fan support helps make difference. Throw tomatoes or cheers, it's all part of a psych game. Then again, I'm just an anonymous poster on the intertubez. YMMV kitten bacon taco (nom)
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4793	Posted - 2016.04.30 15:43:00 - [34] - Quote Pretty much agree with ya OP. That is a new video i have not seen and it feels like it has sucked the life force out of me, 4 people with faces like slapped arses talking about the most boring thing in the world which happens to be CCP new project. Hilmar is not excited about it, them 4 are not excited about yet the playerbase is over the moon with it yet knowing how CCP lacks basic communication and has pulled the rug from under the playerbase more times than you can count while hosting its own rouge wedding live on twitch. I like CCP, i liked EVE and still think about getting back into it but it is a vastly more polished game made over many years, will Nova ever reach that promised land? we knew DUST would not from the beginning yet backed it, i did and looking back it was a ****** investment but i had fun but burned from the experience. Now we have a look at Nova, not greenlit, CCP does not seem excited by it, 'tech demo' excuse in full swing along with a vast line of quotes promising much but saying very little and what we do know does not sound that promising to me at least, it seems to be alot of boundless optimism that it will be included in the game or added later on. In the end proof is in the pudding but i am not excited for the game like i was with DUST, DUST was all hype and BS but it did deliver in various areas and made a game that for me did fit in the EVE universe, if DUST started on the PC i would have been in a far better place but hindsight is great. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1649	Posted - 2016.05.01 01:50:00 - [35] - Quote Pictured: ambition https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z_GRjNL7l40 Let's stick to properly paced development and caution, something CCP has proven they do better than hotheaded ambition. CCP logic GÇô This isn't an actual product. This is only a project. We might not do it at all.
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 2749	Posted - 2016.05.01 03:17:00 - [36] - Quote i could say that you're uninteresting but that would be mean op. Tech demo.meaning barebones. Waiting to be fleshed out. And stop taking words to heart. English is the most confusing language out there with all these darn double meanings and words that hint to other words. Let the actual alpha come out and see how the reviews are before you cry "uninteresting" there people go again reading too far into a demo. Am ded.
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 609	Posted - 2016.05.01 05:50:00 - [37] - Quote I honestly cannot believe that so many people are jumping for joy and are being so positive about a project that may not even get greenlit. The lack of dust or heck even legion information must have gotten you guys pretty desperate for something. It is like the majority of you forgotten the mess we went through with dust 514 and ccp. waiting for review about an alpha really? first things first reviews me absolutely nothing to me at all, the only review i will ever care about is mine no one elses. also the "its just a demo" excuse.... how many times did we read that one during dust's life cycle? way too many.
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 609	Posted - 2016.05.01 05:57:00 - [38] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Pictured: ambition https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z_GRjNL7l40 Let's stick to properly paced development and caution, something CCP has proven they do better than hotheaded ambition. sir they had years to do this , they definitely have not proved that they do better sticking to a properly paced development especially not after dust. if they did they would have listened to the fans that were telling them to put it on pc years ago, they could have avoided many of dust's failures and failures with their team if they would have listened.
byte modal 758	Posted - 2016.05.01 06:21:00 - [39] - Quote Nstomper wrote: I honestly cannot believe that so many people are jumping for joy and are being so positive about a project that may not even get greenlit. The lack of dust or heck even legion information must have gotten you guys pretty desperate for something. It is like the majority of you forgotten the mess we went through with dust 514 and ccp. waiting for review about an alpha really? first things first reviews me absolutely nothing to me at all, *the only review i will ever care about is mine no one elses. also the "its just a demo" excuse.*... how many times did we read that one during dust's life cycle? way too many. Arguing pessimism is not jumping for joy. Also, the thing is? You got nothing to review. Cuz ya know, it was a demo. That's not an excuse so much as it's just reality. I think at least we can agree that being just a demo is frustrating; however, judging a demonstration of concept as final is silly. Cuz (again), it's still only a demo that hasn't been greenlit. Not sure what else to say to that. kitten bacon taco (nom)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13377	Posted - 2016.05.01 07:24:00 - [40] - Quote Nstomper wrote: I honestly cannot believe that so many people are jumping for joy and are being so positive about a project that may not even get greenlit. The lack of dust or heck even legion information must have gotten you guys pretty desperate for something. It is like the majority of you forgotten the mess we went through with dust 514 and ccp. waiting for review about an alpha really? first things first reviews me absolutely nothing to me at all, the only review i will ever care about is mine no one elses. also the "its just a demo" excuse.... how many times did we read that one during dust's life cycle? way too many. Technically it is just a tech demo. That's not an excuse. It's a damn fact. But unlike Project Legion's tech demo, Project Nova's tech demo was actually playable by the attendees at this year's Fanfest. Project Legion didn't get anything more than just a Keynote presentation with nothing more than a Dev walking around a bridge and a burning tree. Meanwhile, Project Nova was played by God knows how many players in a 6v6 match on board a ship showcasing all of the classes and most of the weapons we already saw before but with the addition of ACTUAL gameplay stability plus new assets (wish I was there to try out that new Precision Sniper Rifle), an clean user interface, almost no stuttering and the lag seemed nonexistent even though it was played over the internet with the server located in Frankfurt, Germany via the Steam client. That is far more than anyone could ever say about Project Legion. Again, all we saw was a keynote presentation and a Legion forum section that went permanently silent after just a few months. No one at Fanfest 2014 got a chance to try it out. No Youtube videos from anyone who recorded it with a smartphone and almost no support from the CSM if I remember correctly due to the way how the Dust 514 keynote was handled so long ago. And no, we never forgot about the mess we went through with Dust and CCP. But I'm willing to bet that's probably why the current dev team is giving it their all this time around to make Project Nova. This is CCP's last chance at making a great FPS for New Eden that they promised so many years ago. If Project Nova fails like Legion did and how Dust did, that's it for the New Eden FPS concept. No more mercs running around inside ships and stations like how the trailers put it and CCP will have yet enough bad mark on its record of failed projects (Dust, Legion, Eve Online: Incarna Expansion, and World of Darkness) while CCP abandons the concept altogether and focuses on just Valkyrie, Gunjack, and Eve Online. It's make or break at this point. That might be why many of us are giving CCP our full support for Project Nova. We know what will likely happen if Nova fails. Sure Hilmar might not be so enthusiastic about Nova but I think that has more to do with seeing what happened to Dust. He's probably just as pessimistic as you are right now about the new game and he's probably waiting to see what Rattati and his team can come up with before it becomes time again to review the progress of the new game and decide whether to scrap it while it's still young or green light it to fund it further. Rattati's reputation is probably on the line as well. I don't envy his position at all to be honest. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy

Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 924	Posted - 2016.05.01 09:58:00 - [41] - Quote I was never interested in Dust as a shooter. To me it was as it was supposed to be, an extension of EvE, to be played out on the decks of stations and the plains and streets of the worlds of EvE. Yes, it involved shooting presumably but it was never just about that to me. So to me, Dust was very interesting. But to be very blatantly honest, I don't see Dust that way now I know what it really is, not what it could be but what it's actually evolved into. And Nova is just more of the same to me. I would really like to say that I think it would be more. It seems to be an excellent shooter, but of course it's just a demo for the moment. As an excellent shooter, I'm not that interested. There are plenty out there. Nova has to do something different. We may see that, but for the moment, I'll just have to reserve my opinion. For the moment, Nova is a great shooter, and hopefully it will scale to work on a worldwide network. We'll see. Edit: What CCP should have done is port Dust to PS4 or PC.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 924	Posted - 2016.05.01 10:07:00 - [42] - Quote Skihids wrote: If you have been around for any length of time you know that CCP is the absolute worst company at communication. If you are basing your views on the ramblings of one member of CCP you are most assuredly developing the wrong picture. If you want to follow a game with open development, join Star Citizen. They have hours of video and dozens of posts WEEKLY. If SC is Niagra Falls, CCP is that annoying leaky faucet that drips once every couple minutes. Don't expect to have any clue what their intentions are until you actually see the gameplay. Stop complaining and wait to see what they come out with. Not two months ago we were sure there wasn't going to be a successor to DUST, so be happy there is something, anything coming. Have you considered for a moment that the lack of communication could be deliberate? I can't think of any reason other than that, for the fact that their lack of communication is singularly the main problem and yet they seem completely oblivious to it. I can't believe they're oblivious. I think they're deliberately negligent.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 924	Posted - 2016.05.01 10:12:00 - [43] - Quote Nstomper wrote: Marston VC wrote: This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it. When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain..... Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage. So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again...... My mindset right now is "no they are never going to add what i wanted in dust into nova" that is why i made this thread,if i had the thought in my head that they were going to add the things in the future then i wouldnt have made this thread plain and simple. bitching and moaning like it or not is a form of feedback , cpp could have shut down dust and went through this tech demo, static fps, greenlight, testing, and other phases years ago when many people including myself kept telling ccp that what they wanted to do with dust just was not going to work out on the ps3 and that they should move it to the pc. but what did they do? they decided not too listen and instead continue to try to do the impossible which was foolish then they went the path of milking money from its playerbase that was left. Bleh better late than never i gues.......... My mindset right now, is that like they didn't do the things that they said they would in Dust, they likewise won't do them in Nova. There's not even the first inkling that they will. I'm talking walking in stations, open combat between as many combatants on as many different sides as we like, being able to open that damned door to the station from my Captains Quarters, and with my EvE main, Nalianna, take up a rifle and join in the fight. There are so many things that were supposed to happen with Dust and didn't. I won't be happy until Nova does them. And I'm pretty close to certain it never will.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 924	Posted - 2016.05.01 10:16:00 - [44] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Nstomper wrote: Marston VC wrote: This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it. When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain..... Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage. So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again...... My mindset right now is "no they are never going to add what i wanted in dust into nova" that is why i made this thread,if i had the thought in my head that they were going to add the things in the future then i wouldnt have made this thread plain and simple. bitching and moaning like it or not is a form of feedback , cpp could have shut down dust and went through this tech demo, static fps, greenlight, testing, and other phases years ago when many people including myself kept telling ccp that what they wanted to do with dust just was not going to work out on the ps3 and that they should move it to the pc. but what did they do? they decided not too listen and instead continue to try to do the impossible which was foolish then they went the path of milking money from its playerbase that was left. Bleh better late than never i gues.......... One of the interviews pretty much said that this game is eventually going to be exactly what we wanted dust to be and it was the executive producer who said it. Of course he didn't say it that way specifically, he just detailed all the things we wanted dust to be and how they were eventually going to be acheived through nova. Your disappointed now? I can't imagine how hurt your feelings will be when they can the project and your sitting there wondering why..... So what exactly did "we" want it to be? I think if you ask different people you'll get different ideas and opinions. I certainy don't expect Nova to be ANYTHING like what I wanted or expected Dust to be...
Skihids Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3674	Posted - 2016.05.01 17:21:00 - [45] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Skihids wrote: If you have been around for any length of time you know that CCP is the absolute worst company at communication. If you are basing your views on the ramblings of one member of CCP you are most assuredly developing the wrong picture. If you want to follow a game with open development, join Star Citizen. They have hours of video and dozens of posts WEEKLY. If SC is Niagra Falls, CCP is that annoying leaky faucet that drips once every couple minutes. Don't expect to have any clue what their intentions are until you actually see the gameplay. Stop complaining and wait to see what they come out with. Not two months ago we were sure there wasn't going to be a successor to DUST, so be happy there is something, anything coming. Have you considered for a moment that the lack of communication could be deliberate? I can't think of any reason other than that, for the fact that their lack of communication is singularly the main problem and yet they seem completely oblivious to it. I can't believe they're oblivious. I think they're deliberately negligent. CCP and RSI are fundamently different companies with fundamentally different ideas on the value of transparency and player communication. RSI started as a crowd funded company so it's no surprise they went all-in, especially given the ease of doing so today. You could say that CCP is more traditional in its philosophy, though I would argue that they simply not very good at communication as a company. Game development and communication are two different skill sets and as good as CCP is at developing its main game EO, it is appallingly bad at communication. The entirety of DUST's life has demonstrated that fact. The Rouge wedding was just the most glaringly obvious example. It is impossible to miss if you follow both.
Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 73	Posted - 2016.05.01 17:30:00 - [46] - Quote #triggered Which Faction am I loyal to, you ask. The real question is, which one is paying the most?
Skihids Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3674	Posted - 2016.05.01 17:32:00 - [47] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Nstomper wrote: Marston VC wrote: This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it. When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain..... Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage. So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again...... My mindset right now is "no they are never going to add what i wanted in dust into nova" that is why i made this thread,if i had the thought in my head that they were going to add the things in the future then i wouldnt have made this thread plain and simple. bitching and moaning like it or not is a form of feedback , cpp could have shut down dust and went through this tech demo, static fps, greenlight, testing, and other phases years ago when many people including myself kept telling ccp that what they wanted to do with dust just was not going to work out on the ps3 and that they should move it to the pc. but what did they do? they decided not too listen and instead continue to try to do the impossible which was foolish then they went the path of milking money from its playerbase that was left. Bleh better late than never i gues.......... My mindset right now, is that like they didn't do the things that they said they would in Dust, they likewise won't do them in Nova. There's not even the first inkling that they will. I'm talking walking in stations, open combat between as many combatants on as many different sides as we like, being able to open that damned door to the station from my Captains Quarters, and with my EvE main, Nalianna, take up a rifle and join in the fight. There are so many things that were supposed to happen with Dust and didn't. I won't be happy until Nova does them. And I'm pretty close to certain it never will. If you want that door to open so you can go walking out into the station or have a FPS battle on your bridge you are playing the wrong game because it is never going to happen. It's not because CCP lacks the will, it's because of the code and architecture restrictions. EO is a single threaded Mainframe application that runs the entire EO universe. If too much occurs at once it slows down and you get TD. That won't work for an FPS. You won't ever get mixed fleet operations and FPS in one experience. That's why Valkarie will never be linked to EO in realtime. CCP would have to completely rewrite the EO code under a new architecture and that's not going to happen. Valkarie and Nova may get linked economically because it isn't done in realtime, but that is the most you can expect. RSI is building exactly that game in Star Citizen. It is using a distributed architecture for all the code, capital ships, single seat fighters, and FPS. They can do this because they are starting from scratch with that plan. It's not something you can retrofit to the EVE Universe.
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1651	Posted - 2016.05.01 19:16:00 - [48] - Quote Nstomper wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Pictured: ambition https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z_GRjNL7l40 Let's stick to properly paced development and caution, something CCP has proven they do better than hotheaded ambition. sir they had years to do this , they definitely have not proved that they do better sticking to a properly paced development (thats even if they can freaking stick to one) especially not after dust. if they did they would have listened to the fans that were telling them to put it on pc years ago, they could have avoided many of dust's failures and failures with their team if they would have listened. Lol, EVE 2003 to now. You must not EVE. CCP logic GÇô This isn't an actual product. This is only a project. We might not do it at all.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13380	Posted - 2016.05.01 19:37:00 - [49] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Skihids wrote: If you have been around for any length of time you know that CCP is the absolute worst company at communication. If you are basing your views on the ramblings of one member of CCP you are most assuredly developing the wrong picture. If you want to follow a game with open development, join Star Citizen. They have hours of video and dozens of posts WEEKLY. If SC is Niagra Falls, CCP is that annoying leaky faucet that drips once every couple minutes. Don't expect to have any clue what their intentions are until you actually see the gameplay. Stop complaining and wait to see what they come out with. Not two months ago we were sure there wasn't going to be a successor to DUST, so be happy there is something, anything coming. Have you considered for a moment that the lack of communication could be deliberate? I can't think of any reason other than that, for the fact that their lack of communication is singularly the main problem and yet they seem completely oblivious to it. I can't believe they're oblivious. I think they're deliberately negligent. To me, I don't pay attention to the ramblings of just one member of CCP. Not even two or three or a hundred. To paraphrase what CCP Games said when they poorly managed the Eve Online: Incarna Expansion "look at what they do, not at what they say". I'm doing just that with CCP. And so far they actually showed more than what they said. And it's not CCP I was paying attention to. I paid attention to the Fanfest Attendees who played the Nova tech demo and they are the ones giving it positive reviews. It's one thing for a company to claim they can make a great game but it's another to actually make one and see how the court of public opinion reacts to it. Honestly, I prefer that they speak less and do more since actions speak louder than words. Of course, they shouldn't go totally quiet like they did with Legion, but at the same time they shouldn't be so distracted with talking to us that they forget they have a project to do. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13382	Posted - 2016.05.01 19:41:00 - [50] - Quote For the record, I don't think that the developers of Star Citizen have any intention to directly compete with the likes of Eve Online. They just want to be their own different game. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy

Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 7234	Posted - 2016.05.01 19:43:00 - [51] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: For the record, I don't think that the developers of Star Citizen have any intention to directly compete with the likes of Eve Online. They just want to be their own different game. But it looks fun =ƒì+
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13382	Posted - 2016.05.01 19:45:00 - [52] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Nstomper wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Pictured: ambition https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z_GRjNL7l40 Let's stick to properly paced development and caution, something CCP has proven they do better than hotheaded ambition. sir they had years to do this , they definitely have not proved that they do better sticking to a properly paced development (thats even if they can freaking stick to one) especially not after dust. if they did they would have listened to the fans that were telling them to put it on pc years ago, they could have avoided many of dust's failures and failures with their team if they would have listened. Lol, EVE 2003 to now. You must not EVE. To be fair, Eve Online is strictly an MMORPG and CCP has over a decade experience in that regard. Dust was just their first attempt at making an FPS and they had no prior experience with that genre. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13382	Posted - 2016.05.01 19:46:00 - [53] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: For the record, I don't think that the developers of Star Citizen have any intention to directly compete with the likes of Eve Online. They just want to be their own different game. But it looks fun =ƒì+ It does look fun and I want to try it, but it's not going to take me away from Eve Online. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 609	Posted - 2016.05.01 20:04:00 - [54] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Nstomper wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Pictured: ambition https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z_GRjNL7l40 Let's stick to properly paced development and caution, something CCP has proven they do better than hotheaded ambition. sir they had years to do this , they definitely have not proved that they do better sticking to a properly paced development (thats even if they can freaking stick to one) especially not after dust. if they did they would have listened to the fans that were telling them to put it on pc years ago, they could have avoided many of dust's failures and failures with their team if they would have listened. Lol, EVE 2003 to now. You must not EVE. No i have never played eve, dust was my introduction to this universe
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 13384	Posted - 2016.05.01 20:37:00 - [55] - Quote Nstomper wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Nstomper wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Pictured: ambition https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z_GRjNL7l40 Let's stick to properly paced development and caution, something CCP has proven they do better than hotheaded ambition. sir they had years to do this , they definitely have not proved that they do better sticking to a properly paced development (thats even if they can freaking stick to one) especially not after dust. if they did they would have listened to the fans that were telling them to put it on pc years ago, they could have avoided many of dust's failures and failures with their team if they would have listened. Lol, EVE 2003 to now. You must not EVE. No i have never played eve, dust was my introduction to this universe It's a pretty solid MMORPG but it's one of those games that tailored to a very niche crowd unlike WoW or LoL. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 925	Posted - 2016.05.01 21:37:00 - [56] - Quote Skihids wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Nstomper wrote: Marston VC wrote: This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it. When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain..... Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage. So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again...... My mindset right now is "no they are never going to add what i wanted in dust into nova" that is why i made this thread,if i had the thought in my head that they were going to add the things in the future then i wouldnt have made this thread plain and simple. bitching and moaning like it or not is a form of feedback , cpp could have shut down dust and went through this tech demo, static fps, greenlight, testing, and other phases years ago when many people including myself kept telling ccp that what they wanted to do with dust just was not going to work out on the ps3 and that they should move it to the pc. but what did they do? they decided not too listen and instead continue to try to do the impossible which was foolish then they went the path of milking money from its playerbase that was left. Bleh better late than never i gues.......... My mindset right now, is that like they didn't do the things that they said they would in Dust, they likewise won't do them in Nova. There's not even the first inkling that they will. I'm talking walking in stations, open combat between as many combatants on as many different sides as we like, being able to open that damned door to the station from my Captains Quarters, and with my EvE main, Nalianna, take up a rifle and join in the fight. There are so many things that were supposed to happen with Dust and didn't. I won't be happy until Nova does them. And I'm pretty close to certain it never will. If you want that door to open so you can go walking out into the station or have a FPS battle on your bridge you are playing the wrong game because it is never going to happen. It's not because CCP lacks the will, it's because of the code and architecture restrictions. EO is a single threaded Mainframe application that runs the entire EO universe. If too much occurs at once it slows down and you get TD. That won't work for an FPS. You won't ever get mixed fleet operations and FPS in one experience. That's why Valkarie will never be linked to EO in realtime. CCP would have to completely rewrite the EO code under a new architecture and that's not going to happen. Valkarie and Nova may get linked economically because it isn't done in realtime, but that is the most you can expect. RSI is building exactly that game in Star Citizen. It is using a distributed architecture for all the code, capital ships, single seat fighters, and FPS. They can do this because they are starting from scratch with that plan. It's not something you can retrofit to the EVE Universe. It's not about whether I want that door to open or not. It's about the fact this was what we were promised in the early days of Walking in Stations and Dust, and I still want that. I believed then and I believe now that it would vastly enrich the EvE Online experience, which is how it was presented to the EvE Online community. Unfortunately, they handled it wrong (sound familiar?) and offsided the EvE people, who came to understand and/or believe that any development in this regard would detract from fixing the many things they perceived were still wrong with EvE Online. In a way it came down to one major issue - EvE Online players generally don't actually want any change. They would prefer to see all the bugs fixed first before any more changes are made, because changes just bring more bugs. Whether or not they might have found some use for WiS is moot - they threw the baby out with the bathwater.
Skihids Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3674	Posted - 2016.05.02 02:28:00 - [57] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: For the record, I don't think that the developers of Star Citizen have any intention to directly compete with the likes of Eve Online. They just want to be their own different game. No, RSI isn't trying to compete directly with CCP. The player's experience in each universe is completely different for one. In EO you play an immortal pilot and you have direct control over the economy. In SC you are a normal mortal who can eventually die and you don't have control over the overall economy because players comprise at most 10% of the population. AI takes jobs you don't and will keep the economy running. SC won't compete with Nova either. Though SC has FPS play it isn't focused on battles and continued "deaths" will lead to artificial body parts and eventual perma-death. I see SC more as an "Everyman" experience where you chose the activity you want and the fun comes from the first person immersion in a fantastic universe. I haven't played EO, but I see that like DUST to be a more competitive environment where you measure your progress against others. There is certainly room for both games. I enjoyed DUST and played it heavily until I realized that it wasn't ever going to become the game we were promised. I will play Nova if/when it is available with the hope that it will fulfill the original promise. I will also join Valkarie in July when my OR CV1 arrives. I'm a SC backer and I am very excited about its future. I'm hoping that friendly competition makes both games better.
Skihids Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3674	Posted - 2016.05.02 02:41:00 - [58] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Skihids wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Nstomper wrote: Marston VC wrote: This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it. When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain..... Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage. So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again...... My mindset right now is "no they are never going to add what i wanted in dust into nova" that is why i made this thread,if i had the thought in my head that they were going to add the things in the future then i wouldnt have made this thread plain and simple. bitching and moaning like it or not is a form of feedback , cpp could have shut down dust and went through this tech demo, static fps, greenlight, testing, and other phases years ago when many people including myself kept telling ccp that what they wanted to do with dust just was not going to work out on the ps3 and that they should move it to the pc. but what did they do? they decided not too listen and instead continue to try to do the impossible which was foolish then they went the path of milking money from its playerbase that was left. Bleh better late than never i gues.......... My mindset right now, is that like they didn't do the things that they said they would in Dust, they likewise won't do them in Nova. There's not even the first inkling that they will. I'm talking walking in stations, open combat between as many combatants on as many different sides as we like, being able to open that damned door to the station from my Captains Quarters, and with my EvE main, Nalianna, take up a rifle and join in the fight. There are so many things that were supposed to happen with Dust and didn't. I won't be happy until Nova does them. And I'm pretty close to certain it never will. If you want that door to open so you can go walking out into the station or have a FPS battle on your bridge you are playing the wrong game because it is never going to happen. It's not because CCP lacks the will, it's because of the code and architecture restrictions. EO is a single threaded Mainframe application that runs the entire EO universe. If too much occurs at once it slows down and you get TD. That won't work for an FPS. You won't ever get mixed fleet operations and FPS in one experience. That's why Valkarie will never be linked to EO in realtime. CCP would have to completely rewrite the EO code under a new architecture and that's not going to happen. Valkarie and Nova may get linked economically because it isn't done in realtime, but that is the most you can expect. RSI is building exactly that game in Star Citizen. It is using a distributed architecture for all the code, capital ships, single seat fighters, and FPS. They can do this because they are starting from scratch with that plan. It's not something you can retrofit to the EVE Universe. It's not about whether I want that door to open or not. It's about the fact this was what we were promised in the early days of Walking in Stations and Dust, and I still want that. I believed then and I believe now that it would vastly enrich the EvE Online experience, which is how it was presented to the EvE Online community. Unfortunately, they handled it wrong (sound familiar?) and offsided the EvE people, who came to understand and/or believe that any development in this regard would detract from fixing the many things they perceived were still wrong with EvE Online. In a way it came down to one major issue - EvE Online players generally don't actually want any change. They would prefer to see all the bugs fixed first before any more changes are made, because changes just bring more bugs. Whether or not they might have found some use for WiS is moot - they threw the baby out with the bathwater. My take is that CCP dreams big, and often those dreams are not based on the reality of what they can actually deliver. Looking back on the promises made for DUST we can laugh at the ability of the PS3 to get anywhere near them. Massive player count, huge maps, full racial assets and procedurally generated planets Yet they thought it would all be possible. Walking in station would introduce a sort of FPS into a single threaded Mainframe application. I suppose it could work in a limited way if it was only social an therefore weathered TD with grace. Still, it would be a big job to integrate. They probably wanted it and talked it up just like they did procedural generation for DUST. It's a natural human trait to dream big, I think CCP is better at dreaming than delivering and you just have to keep that in mind when you watch the presentations.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1576	Posted - 2016.05.02 05:37:00 - [59] - Quote So you're saying treat it like fable? Listen to massive speech about how awesome things are going to be: Translate to being a forgettable romp that's only made bearable by having your friends along for the ride. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
DUST Fiend 18274	Posted - 2016.05.02 12:32:00 - [60] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: So you're saying treat it like fable? Listen to massive speech about how awesome things are going to be: Translate to being a forgettable romp that's only made bearable by having your friends along for the ride. This is basically the best analogy ever, thank you My brain is a dead hamster on an ever turning wheel. Feed me.



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