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Nstomper
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Posted - 2016.04.30 01:55:00 -
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When i first heard about dust what got me interested in it was the fact that it was trying to be ambitious, A massive open world shooter that wanted to be apart of massive universe that was already established. i would watch the trailers and would read about it a lot so when i found out they were in closed beta i immediately went to go sign up for it and luckily i was able to get into early closed beta when we had that one mode (forgot the name) but it was like battlefields rush mode.
i could go on a long story about my dust514 experience but that isnt this kind of thread.
yesterday i dont know why but i just had the feeling to search dust 514 on youtube but saw some things about a nova and came across some gameplay videos of it and watched a few. My first thought was "hey this looks interesting" then i came across this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oum7JUD4DAc and after watching him talk about it i lost interest completely. To sum it how i was after watching that and reading his interviews look at the woman's disgusted facial expression in the beginning of the video that is how my face was.
There is no ambition with nova at all not even close to what dust 514 was trying to do on weaker technology infact dust if its still playable is more ambitious than what ccp is trying to do with nova. " a hardcore competitive arena shooter" i believe that is what they are calling it "with 16v16 battles" and that is so bland especially because too many games nowadays especially first person shooters are trying to do nothing to separate themselves for each other. Dust514 even though too ambitious for its platform at least tried to be something different. When i saw nova however i saw call of duty and that was a immediate turn off.
I thought moving to pc was supposed to add to the game not take away, change and dumb down. From what i saw and read about nova its just going to be cqc arena junk with no vehicles or anything (granted its still early and they havent mentioned alot about nova but i have a doubting feeling their vision of that game being what they said they want it to be will change).
there are gonna be no large maps (when i say large i mean dust large)
no vehicles
they changed progression so instead of a skill point system where you can put them into whatever you want they dumbed it down into a cod like progression where you unlock stuff by playing that specific class...
16v16 players (which was dust's player count btw)
One race?
and just so many other things that just make this seem very disappointing.
people complained about dust's map being to big and yes i agree they were big and had no action in some parts but that is only because the devs could not increase the player count on the maps becase of the ps3 hardware. the ps3 was limiting so much so when i heard about them moving it to the pc in the form of legion i got very excited. Now there's no excitement.
i finally thought i was going to be able to get massive battles, hover bikes, jets, more suit types, more weapons,more players in matches, bigger (non re used maps), and so much more they promised to with with dust but could not because of the hardware but now looking at nova it seems that even on a better platform i still wont get any of that.
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Nstomper
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Posted - 2016.04.30 02:18:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:oh boy...another one..correct vehicles were not ready yet as they wanted to make sure you weren't running around with 5fps every match like dust..they want to polish up the gameplay so that it's actually smooth this time..
actually nvm i'm done with this nonsense o7 good luck in other games
Nonsense? i dont care how much polishing they want to do, ratati or whatever his name is already gave his vision of what this project will be. 5 fps every match was based on two factors, the ps3 hardware which was so outdated, and the devs lack of experience dealing with console hardware. They could have kept dust's foundation and built more on to that and focused polishing in test phases like what dust had but instead they decided to scrap dust's foundation entirely to make a cod type of game.
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Nstomper
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Posted - 2016.04.30 02:36:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Nstomper wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:oh boy...another one..correct vehicles were not ready yet as they wanted to make sure you weren't running around with 5fps every match like dust..they want to polish up the gameplay so that it's actually smooth this time..
actually nvm i'm done with this nonsense o7 good luck in other games Nonsense? i dont care how much polishing they want to do, ratati or whatever his name is already gave his vision of what this project will be. 5 fps every match was based on two factors, the ps3 hardware which was so outdated, and the devs lack of experience dealing with consoles. They could have kept dust's foundation and built more on to that and focused polishing in test phases like what dust had but instead they decided to scrap dust's foundation entirely to make a cod type of game. What about the LAV glitch, or any number of other glitches like falling through the map, poor hit detection etc? There was A LOT of crap code in Dust. PS3 wasn't the only problem. You can't tell jack by comparing a pre alpha demo to a game that has been operating in some form or fashion for 4 years.
i didnt just blame it on the hardware though that was a big factor, if you read again i also did mention that ccp's lack of experience with consoles was also to blame. please re read a bit before white knighting , i used to white knight ccps heavily years ago then i finally woke up.
and im not basing my views on a tech demo... im basing it from what came out of rattattis mouth in the video interview, and his other interviews
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Nstomper
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Posted - 2016.04.30 02:54:00 -
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Skihids wrote:If you have been around for any length of time you know that CCP is the absolute worst company at communication. If you are basing your views on the ramblings of one member of CCP you are most assuredly developing the wrong picture.
If you want to follow a game with open development, join Star Citizen. They have hours of video and dozens of posts WEEKLY.
If SC is Niagra Falls, CCP is that annoying leaky faucet that drips once every couple minutes. Don't expect to have any clue what their intentions are until you actually see the gameplay.
Stop complaining and wait to see what they come out with. Not two months ago we were sure there wasn't going to be a successor to DUST, so be happy there is something, anything coming.
ive been following star citizens, and yes ive been here from very very early on but quit due to real life and even then i was still following the game so believe me im well aware of how ccp is doing things, yes my views are based off of a devs rambling on a early project however they need to see 2 sides of a community not just one, not all dust vets are going to be happy with what they've shown about Nova so you can not stop people from complaining
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Nstomper
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Posted - 2016.04.30 03:06:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Nstomper wrote:Skihids wrote:If you have been around for any length of time you know that CCP is the absolute worst company at communication. If you are basing your views on the ramblings of one member of CCP you are most assuredly developing the wrong picture.
If you want to follow a game with open development, join Star Citizen. They have hours of video and dozens of posts WEEKLY.
If SC is Niagra Falls, CCP is that annoying leaky faucet that drips once every couple minutes. Don't expect to have any clue what their intentions are until you actually see the gameplay.
Stop complaining and wait to see what they come out with. Not two months ago we were sure there wasn't going to be a successor to DUST, so be happy there is something, anything coming. ive been following star citizens, and yes ive been here from very very early on but quit due to real life and even then i was still following the game so believe me im well aware of how ccp is doing things, yes my views are based off of a devs rambling on a early project however they need to see 2 sides of a community not just one, not all dust vets are going to be happy with what they've shown about legion so you can not stop people from complaining We're not trying to stop people from complaining. We're trying to get across the fact that as a shooter dust was a FAILURE. Like the first Planetside, Dust 514 was made fun to play by social interaction and the freedom to use whatever playstyle you want. The gunplay itself was always sub-par and it dragged down the whole experience. This time around they're focusing first on the weaknesses of the original before trying to build some giant-ass vision that never got delivered on. Ambition is worthless when you can't deliver. This time around CCP is aiming to deliver. http://biomassed.net/2016/04/24/what-we-know-about-project-nova-so-far/
So lets say the game does turn to be nothing more than a cqc arena based shooter like cod but has good gameplay will that then be success? no i dont think so, but that is the kind of game i believe they are aiming for going off of rats words about his vision for this project. if that changes in the future i'll be more open minded but as of now no i cant be with what ive seen so far
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Nstomper
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Posted - 2016.04.30 03:29:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it.
When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain.....
Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage.
So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again......
My mindset right now is "no they are never going to add what i wanted in dust into nova" that is why i made this thread,if i had the thought in my head that they were going to add the things in the future then i wouldnt have made this thread plain and simple.
bitching and moaning like it or not is a form of feedback , cpp could have shut down dust and went through this tech demo, static fps, greenlight, testing, and other phases years ago when many people including myself kept telling ccp that what they wanted to do with dust just was not going to work out on the ps3 and that they should move it to the pc. but what did they do? they decided not too listen and instead continue to try to do the impossible which was foolish then they went the path of milking money from its playerbase that was left.
Bleh better late than never i gues..........
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Nstomper
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Posted - 2016.04.30 04:18:00 -
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going off of my experience with ccp here when i see those words in his quotes in that thread mean nothing at this moment, they are just words. His words do not make me excited or hopeful because looking at the past and their words as opposed to what actually did or didnt happen surely you will understand what im trying to say. first day back on forums i did not feel like searching through pages for this and other threads similar to mine. with ccp now and many other games i base things off of what i see shown in videos, in patch notes, and dev live letters, not words from devs about what may or my not come in the future especially with a ccp game
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Nstomper
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Posted - 2016.04.30 04:19:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Right. just like all the fighter aircraft and medium assault vehicles?
It's going to be CoD with a dust skin, no chat, no interaction, and everything's unlocked from the start.
oh so then battlefield? how about halo?
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Nstomper
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Posted - 2016.05.01 05:50:00 -
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I honestly cannot believe that so many people are jumping for joy and are being so positive about a project that may not even get greenlit. The lack of dust or heck even legion information must have gotten you guys pretty desperate for something. It is like the majority of you forgotten the mess we went through with dust 514 and ccp. waiting for review about an alpha really? first things first reviews me absolutely nothing to me at all, the only review i will ever care about is mine no one elses. also the "its just a demo" excuse.... how many times did we read that one during dust's life cycle? way too many.
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Nstomper
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Posted - 2016.05.01 05:57:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:
sir they had years to do this , they definitely have not proved that they do better sticking to a properly paced development especially not after dust. if they did they would have listened to the fans that were telling them to put it on pc years ago, they could have avoided many of dust's failures and failures with their team if they would have listened.
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Nstomper
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Posted - 2016.05.01 20:04:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Nstomper wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: sir they had years to do this , they definitely have not proved that they do better sticking to a properly paced development (thats even if they can freaking stick to one) especially not after dust. if they did they would have listened to the fans that were telling them to put it on pc years ago, they could have avoided many of dust's failures and failures with their team if they would have listened. Lol, EVE 2003 to now. You must not EVE.
No i have never played eve, dust was my introduction to this universe
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