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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.04.30 03:49:00 -
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*sigh* Not this again.
Please refer to the following thread for all of the information you need to know before passing any judgement.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=227484&find=unread
PS: I'm going to start posting this on any more new threads that pop up complaining about how uninteresting Nova is.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.04.30 04:28:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:going off of my experience with ccp here when i see those words in his quotes in that thread mean nothing at this moment, they are just words. His words do not make me excited or hopeful because looking at the past and their words as opposed to what actually did or didnt happen surely you will understand what im trying to say. first day back on forums i did not feel like searching through pages for this and other threads similar to mine. with ccp now and many other games i base things off of what i see shown in videos, in patch notes, and dev live letters, not words from devs about what may or my not come in the future especially with a ccp game
This is Rattati we're talking about here. Unlike the past leadership, he actually has a solid record of delivering his promises.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.04.30 04:32:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Nstomper wrote:going off of my experience with ccp here when i see those words in his quotes in that thread mean nothing at this moment, they are just words. His words do not make me excited or hopeful because looking at the past and their words as opposed to what actually did or didnt happen surely you will understand what im trying to say. first day back on forums i did not feel like searching through pages for this and other threads similar to mine. with ccp now and many other games i base things off of what i see shown in videos, in patch notes, and dev live letters, not words from devs about what may or my not come in the future especially with a ccp game This is Rattati we're talking about here. Unlike the past leadership, he actually has a solid record of delivering his promises. But Hilmar is still the one calling the shots, and he looks even less enthused now than he did before. I'm certain the game will be greenlit at this point, but I'm also pretty certain it will retain its minimal team and funding.
If Rattati does well enough, and judging from the tech demo we saw of Project Nova he likely might, Hilmar might start warming up a little more.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.05.01 07:24:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:I honestly cannot believe that so many people are jumping for joy and are being so positive about a project that may not even get greenlit. The lack of dust or heck even legion information must have gotten you guys pretty desperate for something. It is like the majority of you forgotten the mess we went through with dust 514 and ccp. waiting for review about an alpha really? first things first reviews me absolutely nothing to me at all, the only review i will ever care about is mine no one elses. also the "its just a demo" excuse.... how many times did we read that one during dust's life cycle? way too many.
Technically it is just a tech demo. That's not an excuse. It's a damn fact. But unlike Project Legion's tech demo, Project Nova's tech demo was actually playable by the attendees at this year's Fanfest. Project Legion didn't get anything more than just a Keynote presentation with nothing more than a Dev walking around a bridge and a burning tree. Meanwhile, Project Nova was played by God knows how many players in a 6v6 match on board a ship showcasing all of the classes and most of the weapons we already saw before but with the addition of ACTUAL gameplay stability plus new assets (wish I was there to try out that new Precision Sniper Rifle), an clean user interface, almost no stuttering and the lag seemed nonexistent even though it was played over the internet with the server located in Frankfurt, Germany via the Steam client.
That is far more than anyone could ever say about Project Legion. Again, all we saw was a keynote presentation and a Legion forum section that went permanently silent after just a few months. No one at Fanfest 2014 got a chance to try it out. No Youtube videos from anyone who recorded it with a smartphone and almost no support from the CSM if I remember correctly due to the way how the Dust 514 keynote was handled so long ago.
And no, we never forgot about the mess we went through with Dust and CCP. But I'm willing to bet that's probably why the current dev team is giving it their all this time around to make Project Nova. This is CCP's last chance at making a great FPS for New Eden that they promised so many years ago. If Project Nova fails like Legion did and how Dust did, that's it for the New Eden FPS concept. No more mercs running around inside ships and stations like how the trailers put it and CCP will have yet enough bad mark on its record of failed projects (Dust, Legion, Eve Online: Incarna Expansion, and World of Darkness) while CCP abandons the concept altogether and focuses on just Valkyrie, Gunjack, and Eve Online.
It's make or break at this point.
That might be why many of us are giving CCP our full support for Project Nova. We know what will likely happen if Nova fails. Sure Hilmar might not be so enthusiastic about Nova but I think that has more to do with seeing what happened to Dust. He's probably just as pessimistic as you are right now about the new game and he's probably waiting to see what Rattati and his team can come up with before it becomes time again to review the progress of the new game and decide whether to scrap it while it's still young or green light it to fund it further. Rattati's reputation is probably on the line as well. I don't envy his position at all to be honest.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.05.01 19:37:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:Skihids wrote:If you have been around for any length of time you know that CCP is the absolute worst company at communication. If you are basing your views on the ramblings of one member of CCP you are most assuredly developing the wrong picture.
If you want to follow a game with open development, join Star Citizen. They have hours of video and dozens of posts WEEKLY.
If SC is Niagra Falls, CCP is that annoying leaky faucet that drips once every couple minutes. Don't expect to have any clue what their intentions are until you actually see the gameplay.
Stop complaining and wait to see what they come out with. Not two months ago we were sure there wasn't going to be a successor to DUST, so be happy there is something, anything coming. Have you considered for a moment that the lack of communication could be deliberate? I can't think of any reason other than that, for the fact that their lack of communication is singularly the main problem and yet they seem completely oblivious to it. I can't believe they're oblivious. I think they're deliberately negligent.
To me, I don't pay attention to the ramblings of just one member of CCP. Not even two or three or a hundred. To paraphrase what CCP Games said when they poorly managed the Eve Online: Incarna Expansion "look at what they do, not at what they say". I'm doing just that with CCP. And so far they actually showed more than what they said. And it's not CCP I was paying attention to. I paid attention to the Fanfest Attendees who played the Nova tech demo and they are the ones giving it positive reviews. It's one thing for a company to claim they can make a great game but it's another to actually make one and see how the court of public opinion reacts to it.
Honestly, I prefer that they speak less and do more since actions speak louder than words. Of course, they shouldn't go totally quiet like they did with Legion, but at the same time they shouldn't be so distracted with talking to us that they forget they have a project to do.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.05.01 19:41:00 -
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For the record, I don't think that the developers of Star Citizen have any intention to directly compete with the likes of Eve Online. They just want to be their own different game.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.05.01 19:45:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Nstomper wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: sir they had years to do this , they definitely have not proved that they do better sticking to a properly paced development (thats even if they can freaking stick to one) especially not after dust. if they did they would have listened to the fans that were telling them to put it on pc years ago, they could have avoided many of dust's failures and failures with their team if they would have listened. Lol, EVE 2003 to now. You must not EVE.
To be fair, Eve Online is strictly an MMORPG and CCP has over a decade experience in that regard. Dust was just their first attempt at making an FPS and they had no prior experience with that genre.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.05.01 19:46:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:For the record, I don't think that the developers of Star Citizen have any intention to directly compete with the likes of Eve Online. They just want to be their own different game. But it looks fun =ē+
It does look fun and I want to try it, but it's not going to take me away from Eve Online.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.05.01 20:37:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Nstomper wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: sir they had years to do this , they definitely have not proved that they do better sticking to a properly paced development (thats even if they can freaking stick to one) especially not after dust. if they did they would have listened to the fans that were telling them to put it on pc years ago, they could have avoided many of dust's failures and failures with their team if they would have listened. Lol, EVE 2003 to now. You must not EVE. No i have never played eve, dust was my introduction to this universe
It's a pretty solid MMORPG but it's one of those games that tailored to a very niche crowd unlike WoW or LoL.
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