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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.01 09:58:00 -
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I was never interested in Dust as a shooter. To me it was as it was supposed to be, an extension of EvE, to be played out on the decks of stations and the plains and streets of the worlds of EvE. Yes, it involved shooting presumably but it was never just about that to me. So to me, Dust was very interesting.
But to be very blatantly honest, I don't see Dust that way now I know what it really is, not what it could be but what it's actually evolved into.
And Nova is just more of the same to me. I would really like to say that I think it would be more. It seems to be an excellent shooter, but of course it's just a demo for the moment. As an excellent shooter, I'm not that interested. There are plenty out there. Nova has to do something different. We may see that, but for the moment, I'll just have to reserve my opinion.
For the moment, Nova is a great shooter, and hopefully it will scale to work on a worldwide network. We'll see.
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What CCP should have done is port Dust to PS4 or PC. |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.01 10:07:00 -
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Skihids wrote:If you have been around for any length of time you know that CCP is the absolute worst company at communication. If you are basing your views on the ramblings of one member of CCP you are most assuredly developing the wrong picture.
If you want to follow a game with open development, join Star Citizen. They have hours of video and dozens of posts WEEKLY.
If SC is Niagra Falls, CCP is that annoying leaky faucet that drips once every couple minutes. Don't expect to have any clue what their intentions are until you actually see the gameplay.
Stop complaining and wait to see what they come out with. Not two months ago we were sure there wasn't going to be a successor to DUST, so be happy there is something, anything coming.
Have you considered for a moment that the lack of communication could be deliberate? I can't think of any reason other than that, for the fact that their lack of communication is singularly the main problem and yet they seem completely oblivious to it. I can't believe they're oblivious. I think they're deliberately negligent. |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
924
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Posted - 2016.05.01 10:12:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:Marston VC wrote:This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it.
When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain.....
Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage.
So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again...... My mindset right now is "no they are never going to add what i wanted in dust into nova" that is why i made this thread,if i had the thought in my head that they were going to add the things in the future then i wouldnt have made this thread plain and simple. bitching and moaning like it or not is a form of feedback , cpp could have shut down dust and went through this tech demo, static fps, greenlight, testing, and other phases years ago when many people including myself kept telling ccp that what they wanted to do with dust just was not going to work out on the ps3 and that they should move it to the pc. but what did they do? they decided not too listen and instead continue to try to do the impossible which was foolish then they went the path of milking money from its playerbase that was left. Bleh better late than never i gues..........
My mindset right now, is that like they didn't do the things that they said they would in Dust, they likewise won't do them in Nova. There's not even the first inkling that they will.
I'm talking walking in stations, open combat between as many combatants on as many different sides as we like, being able to open that damned door to the station from my Captains Quarters, and with my EvE main, Nalianna, take up a rifle and join in the fight.
There are so many things that were supposed to happen with Dust and didn't. I won't be happy until Nova does them. And I'm pretty close to certain it never will. |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
924
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Posted - 2016.05.01 10:16:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Nstomper wrote:Marston VC wrote:This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it.
When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain.....
Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage.
So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again...... My mindset right now is "no they are never going to add what i wanted in dust into nova" that is why i made this thread,if i had the thought in my head that they were going to add the things in the future then i wouldnt have made this thread plain and simple. bitching and moaning like it or not is a form of feedback , cpp could have shut down dust and went through this tech demo, static fps, greenlight, testing, and other phases years ago when many people including myself kept telling ccp that what they wanted to do with dust just was not going to work out on the ps3 and that they should move it to the pc. but what did they do? they decided not too listen and instead continue to try to do the impossible which was foolish then they went the path of milking money from its playerbase that was left. Bleh better late than never i gues.......... One of the interviews pretty much said that this game is eventually going to be exactly what we wanted dust to be and it was the executive producer who said it. Of course he didn't say it that way specifically, he just detailed all the things we wanted dust to be and how they were eventually going to be acheived through nova. Your disappointed now? I can't imagine how hurt your feelings will be when they can the project and your sitting there wondering why.....
So what exactly did "we" want it to be? I think if you ask different people you'll get different ideas and opinions. I certainy don't expect Nova to be ANYTHING like what I wanted or expected Dust to be... |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
925
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Posted - 2016.05.01 21:37:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:Nstomper wrote:Marston VC wrote:This is a time that should be filled with optimism. We should be encouraging ccp to green light the game. Not complaining about features ccp has said will eventually make it in just not right from the start. I want this game to happen first. And that's only going to happen if we encourage them to make it.
When we sit back and say things like "omg it's going to be a generic lobby cqc shooter" and then follow that up with "I know they plan to add all this extra stuff after they nail down the core shooter aspects" it just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. Your feelings are hurt that they didn't just port dust to pc which would have apparently been the only way to satisfy everyone! Except even then people would have still found reason to complain.....
Anyway. My point is this. We aren't going to even have a generic fps version of dust, let alone all the extra stuff they said would come after that IF the project doesn't get green lit. And what would make it so the project doesn't get green lit?? People bitching and moaning about the game before it's even out of the conceptual development stage.
So let's try to get the game green lit. And then in closed beta. And then start complaining about what it lacks. Rather then just complain complain and complain and then complain some more when for some reason they can the project again...... My mindset right now is "no they are never going to add what i wanted in dust into nova" that is why i made this thread,if i had the thought in my head that they were going to add the things in the future then i wouldnt have made this thread plain and simple. bitching and moaning like it or not is a form of feedback , cpp could have shut down dust and went through this tech demo, static fps, greenlight, testing, and other phases years ago when many people including myself kept telling ccp that what they wanted to do with dust just was not going to work out on the ps3 and that they should move it to the pc. but what did they do? they decided not too listen and instead continue to try to do the impossible which was foolish then they went the path of milking money from its playerbase that was left. Bleh better late than never i gues.......... My mindset right now, is that like they didn't do the things that they said they would in Dust, they likewise won't do them in Nova. There's not even the first inkling that they will. I'm talking walking in stations, open combat between as many combatants on as many different sides as we like, being able to open that damned door to the station from my Captains Quarters, and with my EvE main, Nalianna, take up a rifle and join in the fight. There are so many things that were supposed to happen with Dust and didn't. I won't be happy until Nova does them. And I'm pretty close to certain it never will. If you want that door to open so you can go walking out into the station or have a FPS battle on your bridge you are playing the wrong game because it is never going to happen. It's not because CCP lacks the will, it's because of the code and architecture restrictions. EO is a single threaded Mainframe application that runs the entire EO universe. If too much occurs at once it slows down and you get TD. That won't work for an FPS. You won't ever get mixed fleet operations and FPS in one experience. That's why Valkarie will never be linked to EO in realtime. CCP would have to completely rewrite the EO code under a new architecture and that's not going to happen. Valkarie and Nova may get linked economically because it isn't done in realtime, but that is the most you can expect. RSI is building exactly that game in Star Citizen. It is using a distributed architecture for all the code, capital ships, single seat fighters, and FPS. They can do this because they are starting from scratch with that plan. It's not something you can retrofit to the EVE Universe.
It's not about whether I want that door to open or not. It's about the fact this was what we were promised in the early days of Walking in Stations and Dust, and I still want that. I believed then and I believe now that it would vastly enrich the EvE Online experience, which is how it was presented to the EvE Online community. Unfortunately, they handled it wrong (sound familiar?) and offsided the EvE people, who came to understand and/or believe that any development in this regard would detract from fixing the many things they perceived were still wrong with EvE Online. In a way it came down to one major issue - EvE Online players generally don't actually want any change. They would prefer to see all the bugs fixed first before any more changes are made, because changes just bring more bugs. Whether or not they might have found some use for WiS is moot - they threw the baby out with the bathwater. |
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