Bright Cloud, please support your argument with facts. Rattati explicitly aid he wants an EVE link, but something more along the lines of economy. Additionally, things from the demo such as the player count and closed in map are due to trying to push it out to Fan Fest in a playable state.

I find it entertaining how the CPM's defend this "thing". As far as i see it CCP is alienating their Dust fanbase and are now trying to appeal the COD players. Do you really think Eve players would enjoy a COD clone? If anything CCP should kept going into the direction of Battlefield with vehicles, large fights etc. Seriously they are moving to the PC where fights of like 64vs64 are easily possible and with lager variations from Dust maps this could be achieved and impress the PC player crowd.

Think big and not inside of a closet. Dust had a decent concept but it failed due to hardware limitations and low playerbase (cause of the PS3). PC might be the right thing to do but it should be a better looking, better running and more indepth version of Dust. Maybe down the line they could had made a seperate release on the PS4 (why not? there wont be a eve link).

Seriously? Did I miss something? The game was only first talked about in February. They have a demo at Fan Fest, it's not anywhere near the final product. It's simply a showcase of how the game looks and performs. All the mechanics and such you guys want can still come, it just doesn't fit into an early demo very well

True to early to tell, yet it's quite clear they are removing all MMO aspects.

Lets not forget that this was a demo at Fanfest, where players would have limited time to come and play a quick match before going onto another event.

Having it be at 6 v 6 is small enough to easily form full matches quickly, and having players (many of whom are not DUST fans) choose between pre-set builds with a fancy visual makes it far easier to jump into the game. Most people know the basic roles of the any FPS game so no long learning curves needed.

The case against the NPE has been brought up time and time again, so of course it is little wonder than when you only have a single match to get somebody to try out the game that you skip past anything that could bog that down such as complex suit / role creation.

This demo was to show skill in ONE thing, and that was groundwork mechanics. Drawing conclusions on things outside of that scope from the demo is pointless.

You mean where a full squad (the old 6 man size) could now 100% of the times grant you a win? Cause ya know no randoms= no liability. That point alone was a huge discussion where people grabed their pitchforks due to good players teaming up and moping the floor with scrubs that use militia gear. Im skeptical cause i know how CCP works, ive been here since the closed beta and promises where made but never made it into the game.

Why should i put trust into CCP again who are developing a similar game on the base from Dust but as a dumbed down version? CCP has to deliver and i dont owe them anything and i certainly wont hop onto the fanboy bandwaggon. Simple sayd:

-CCP has to show that they make a good game
-CCP has to proof that they learned from their past
-CCP needs to convince us that the game mechanics are sound with evidence

Trust is a precious comodity and troughout the ongoing development on Dust CCP lost it. Heck even on the eve forum people start to compare the footage to COD and comments are made where they should had kept the unique playstyle from Dust but improve on it on the PC. Like larger battles, more players, better game stability etc.

Im aswell not giving credit to the CPM. They are like honey potted handpuppets to give the community a feeling to be relevant. But in reality they have no influence at all on the game. They are like a community mascot and scapegoats chosen by us if anything goes titts up.

"Quite clear"? You get "quite clear" from a pre-alpha demo made specifically for a convention? You are a wizard.

Project Nova

Check it. Also a few from PC world and other gaming new sites.

Basically Call of Duty BO3 class system.

And a key point that was made, "Nobody will feel weak out the gate". IE, no leveling system. Take destiny and COD. Ones an MMO shooter the other a straight up shooter.

Nova will be the latter.

With a four year beta? I was hoping to see the demo demonstrate a little more of what makes me come back to Dust again and again, but I will attempt to remain positive.

where does the 4 year beta come from?

It's not a completely invalid argument. A lot of the things they learned with Dust will transfer over. Not all, but a lot. This isn't quite the same as building a new game from scratch.

That said, I think what they showed at Fan Fest is very far along for how much time has passed. It's not like there's a convertunreal3to4andmakethingsbetter.exe

I just REALLY hate being lied to.

It's not like there's a convertunreal3to4andmakethingsbetter.exe

People are gonna lie to you regardless. Its just learning how to see what the lies are and avoiding getting buthurt about it that gets you foward in life.

I dont have much right to cry about dust or project nova. Its a f2p game,i didnt pay jack squat to play it,ccp has utterly no reason to listen to any salty tears i might have. All they see is a manchild whining that he put in a crap ton of effort and money to win a contest that was free to enter and the prize is a 5 dollar plastic trophy.

If i dont like project nova im not gonna throw a hissy fit that i spent several hundred dollars to build a awesome pc,im gonna use that play other games. Its about time i embraced the master race anyway.

Tldr: dont feel entitled,thats only when you acatully paid to buy or play the game and thats a a hole 'nother pie to deal with.

Hm. I understand now. Everyone in the dust community is potentially my future psycho ex-girlfriend.

"...Basically our most important focus for this game is to kinda scale back a little bit on the MMO Ambition and deliver a really hardcore competitive shooter with great performance, great second to second, minute to minute gameplay..."
He said scale back, not remove...the demo didn't have customization for the same reason most convention first look demos of games don't have their customization systems fully accessible, you want to move people through quickly, so that more of them can get their hands on the product...you wouldn't want people spending 20-30 minutes through character creation and class customization before actually stepping into gameplay in that context


"...it is more about giving you a lot of options to try out and play with, and then focusing on your specialization and we're really focused on having a kind of "generic race" in the beginning so you don't have the make the choice an Amarr or Caldari, you could actually play and learn, and then expand into factional specializations"

We almost have this now with MLT equipment, but I foresee Upwell (or some other middle of the road entity, maybe Mordu's Legion) to be making a set of fairly generic equipment that does

As for the "No one should feel weak out of the gate"...That is True in any shooter with a matchmaking engine. It probably means that whatever form of leveling that gets implemented won't be as steep as it is currently for progression? Or progression will be in the form of sidegrades rather than straight upgrades. A shooter should be fundamentally about skill, even a properly balanced (Which Destiny is not, another thing destiny is not: Fun) MMO Shooter, not massive advantages to steamroll newer players.

Just keep the ttk..insta deaths are boring..ttk will always separate CCP from the rest..everyone else is moving towards the 1 shot from any gun