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Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 154	Posted - 2016.01.22 20:48:00 - [1] - Quote I thought I had seen everything in this game tell I was just in my blood raiders LAV in my last match and watched my armor and shields disappear with 3 hits of a nova knife WTF the effectiveness of a knife on a car/LAV should only be 1% as it is the lowest you can get for a weapon! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2016.01.22 20:52:00 - [2] - Quote How did you take 3 hits from a NK before peeling off? but in all seriousness, nobody will take Dust/Phoenix(P0rtWen?)/Legion seriously if silliness like this is in it. Top lel
Apoleon II 140	Posted - 2016.01.22 21:18:00 - [3] - Quote They are fckng nova knives! And they must run towards you to kill vehicle, so it is okay Sorry for my bad english :$ Port dust, ps5 next gen
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 2	Posted - 2016.01.22 22:09:00 - [4] - Quote Hmm. Didn't realize the blood raiders lav had such a low horsepower engine. Just run him the fcking hell over. Or outrun him. You have a turret,shoot him with that? I mean come on,now we're whining about nova knives vs vehicles? I swear to lord metapod,the complaining level here in these forums is too damn high! For peters fcking sake! Do you realize that: 1.you have to be within 2m to shank 2.have skillpoints in nova knives 3.charge and slash with the damn things 4.not fcking miss 5.spend a few million skill points on a scout Mk.0 and proto knives and the neccesary modules to shank your little tin car? Somehow its unfair that a pair of knives that cost isk can hurt your little bpo car? Maybe vs a tank it seems weird but Anti-vehicle is so unbalanced already. Not to mention madrugar gv.0s with damn near invincible dual hardeners rolling around farming infantry? Please,save you complaints for when the av and hav of doom are properly balanced. Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 3	Posted - 2016.01.22 22:28:00 - [5] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: I thought I had seen everything in this game tell I was just in my blood raiders LAV in my last match and watched my armor and shields disappear with 3 hits of a nova knife WTF the effectiveness of a knife on a car/LAV should only be 1% as it is the lowest you can get for a weapon! Lol... You do realize they can kill vehicles right? SoulPancake
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 154	Posted - 2016.01.22 23:21:00 - [6] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: I thought I had seen everything in this game tell I was just in my blood raiders LAV in my last match and watched my armor and shields disappear with 3 hits of a nova knife WTF the effectiveness of a knife on a car/LAV should only be 1% as it is the lowest you can get for a weapon! Lol... You do realize they can kill vehicles right? I do now, and that is the issue! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 154	Posted - 2016.01.22 23:22:00 - [7] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Hmm. Didn't realize the blood raiders lav had such a low horsepower engine. Just run him the fcking hell over. Or outrun him. You have a turret,shoot him with that? I mean come on,now we're whining about nova knives vs vehicles? I swear to lord metapod,the complaining level here in these forums is too damn high! For peters fcking sake! Do you realize that: 1.you have to be within 2m to shank 2.have skillpoints in nova knives 3.charge and slash with the damn things 4.not fcking miss 5.spend a few million skill points on a scout Mk.0 and proto knives and the neccesary modules to shank your little tin car? Somehow its unfair that a pair of knives that cost isk can hurt your little bpo car? Maybe vs a tank it seems weird but Anti-vehicle is so unbalanced already. Not to mention madrugar gv.0s with damn near invincible dual hardeners rolling around farming infantry? Please,save you complaints for when the av and hav of doom are properly balanced. A: he just missed me hacking a turret, I jumped back into my LAV and it only took 3 hits to kill it I had just started moving, and it didnt bounce him like it does teammates when i started moving! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 154	Posted - 2016.01.22 23:23:00 - [8] - Quote Apoleon II wrote: They are fckng nova knives! And they must run towards you to kill vehicle, so it is okay Its a Knife, run out to your car and start hitting it, beat it will not kill the car! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2016.01.23 10:00:00 - [9] - Quote Apoleon II wrote: They are fckng nova knives! And they must run towards you to kill vehicle, so it is okay I'm not sure how you actually thought this argument is relevant; I mean, saying the name of something doesn't make what whatever silly thing not silly. That kind of argument is as silly is stating the current year as a valid argument. Top lel
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2016.01.23 10:01:00 - [10] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Apoleon II wrote: They are fckng nova knives! And they must run towards you to kill vehicle, so it is okay Its a Knife, run out to your car and start hitting it, beat it will not kill the car! Which is why it's pure silliness, and people won't take this game seriously otherwise, especially a port, if **** like this persists. Top lel

TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 1	Posted - 2016.01.23 11:44:00 - [11] - Quote roflmfao These aren't your ordinary kitchen knives, they will cut through literally everything. Hitting the power cell of the HAV on the back or slicing the hood (engine) of the LAV should cause them to explode from one slice. The poor minscouts who manage to kill the vehicle get caught in the blast radius and die. :( PORTDUST514TOPC May God have mercy for my enemies because I won't. - George S. Patton Jr.
Ten-Sidhe 548	Posted - 2016.01.23 15:28:00 - [12] - Quote Nova knives have a fusion reactor and use shield tech to enclose the heat of reactor along blade, almost like a light saber. More like take a couple thrusts with jackhammer at car, snips with jaws of life, or cuts with hotsaw (Custom car engine powered chainsaws) and see if it runs. Nova Knives do full damage to vehicles, they can cause a lot more structural damage then light rifles.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2016.01.23 16:48:00 - [13] - Quote I went to knife a landed DS, and the pilot picked that moment to hit triangle. He showed up on turret right in front of me. Free dropships man, far out! On topic: I always seem to move before any real damage is done. Do I think it should be removed? Nah. Is it a good feature? Nope. Cadillac has tires that will run 100 miles with a hole saw hole in them. Space tires aren't better than that? Six-seven inch tops (or w/e as I know we are large, but our transports are to our scale, so whatever, small knives) and you expect to cut through tritanium plates? I suppose you could thrust through door and kill driver.. But good luck pulling your arm back out of the molten plating. It's the HAV damage that makes me crush my forehead. I can tank an 80gj sabot. But some little vibroblade can hurt my plating... Lmfaowut (Side note, if you run gunni, let them slash at you. It's funny) The weak spot being .. weak. I can see damage applying there. But to the front? The spot where my armor is at its thickest? With nano repairs running? Gtfo "And god dmn it I will be an artichoke, get off my stalk." ~Dust Fiend~ Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it*~
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 3	Posted - 2016.01.23 17:09:00 - [14] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: I thought I had seen everything in this game tell I was just in my blood raiders LAV in my last match and watched my armor and shields disappear with 3 hits of a nova knife WTF the effectiveness of a knife on a car/LAV should only be 1% as it is the lowest you can get for a weapon! Lol... You do realize they can kill vehicles right? I do now, and that is the issue! Not really... Also, they're like a light saber... so... Of course they can cut vehicles... SoulPancake
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2016.01.23 20:08:00 - [15] - Quote Hello there. I'm the original nova knifer in this game. I have been around this game long enough that nova knives never use to be their own separate weapons until around the codex build. I am not the best and I don't think I have ever admitted to being the best. But I am the first. Let me tell you something about nova knives. They take skill to use. NO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SKILL BOOKS. I'm talking about player experience. The kind of experience where you have to die a lot in expensive suits to make any progress with these knives. Even with the buffs they received over the years, they never were truly OP. They still require player experience to this very day. And so far only less than 10 people in the entire history of the game from closed beta to open beta to today have ever complained about the knives being too powerful for anything. Meanwhile the rest of the community laughs at anyone complaining about them being too powerful especially after mentioning that they lost a vehicle or a heavy suit to a pair of nova knives. In all my years of playing Dust primarily as a knifer, I have only successfully killed a few tanks and some LAVs and that's only because of the incompetence of the drivers. Come to think of it, I might have been that knifer that killed your LAV that time. The smarter ones have always (and still do) alluded me and have often killed me in the process either by running me over or having their smaller turrets kill me. Sometimes they even pop out of their tanks to kill me with their HMGs. Overall, my success rate is pathetic even as an experienced knifer. Here are some tips for you. Bring a partner with you. Have him do the driving while you do the hacking. If I start attacking the LAV, the driver can pull away to safety while you hack. Or he can do what most skilled drivers do. Run me over. Smarter players, especially Tank drivers, often fit armor mods which practically eliminates my effectiveness as a knifer while they stay on the move. Even the fastest scout won't be able to catch up. Also, if a knifer is capable of wrecking your vehicle and running that fast, that means he/she is weak as hell. Get out of your vehicle and shoot them because their dropsuit has the strength of a single-ply tissue paper that just got wet. Just giving me a mean stare is enough to put my body into a coma-like state. So knifers have to sacrifice a lot just to be able to kill vehicles that effectively. The Minscout in particular has limited PG, absolutely no ewar bonus beyond that of the cloak bonus, and it's the weakest suit in the entire game. They are better suited for hacking installations and objectives and attacking ground troops than wrecking vehicles. Did I also mention they are expensive as hell to use? If I were you, I would take some advice from the professional drivers who dealt with the likes of me. PS: I have struggled to receive hatemail from my vehicle victims and only received one actual hatemail in the years I have played Dust. The rest of my vehicle victims just salute me for some reason. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2016.01.23 20:34:00 - [16] - Quote A few tid bits about the history of the Nova Knives. 1. A lot of people, including me, use to ask CCP to enable us to run with the knives fully charged. But then a glitch popped up (twice in different forms) that enabled a few people to do that. At that point, I quickly learned how much of a bad idea that was. It would make the knives in the current state OP and then CCP would be forced to nerf them which usually (historically) results in CCP overnerfing them like they did with any other item they nerfed. This would have rendered nova knives offically useless and pointless even for me. So I changed my mind and fought against any suggestion to allow us to sprint with the charge held. In the end, CCP fixed the bugs and had the knives deal damage in a curve to address the problem of not being able to stab anyone who is running away from you even with just the insta-strike (no charge). 2. Their hit detection was pathetic. It's a little better today, but still wonky and the users suffer from tunnel vision in CQC situations. So far, there has not been any clear solution to address the tunnel vision and CCP was only able to widen the attack cone a little bit to compensate. 3. The knives may be tailored for the Minmatar Scout, but they are Caldari by design. It explains their hybrid nature. 4. They are the only weapons that I know of that deal 100% damage to both shield and armor. They are not like other weapons which deal more damage to shield than armor or vise versa. 5. They use to be standard issue with every suit in the game back in closed beta. But in order to use them, you have to press and hold the melee button to charge and then attack. Instant strikes did not exist for the knives until later on. Yes, they use to be considered melee attacks. Be thankful that the melee mods don't give bonuses at all to the knives. That's the job of the sidearm damage mods. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 220	Posted - 2016.01.23 21:47:00 - [17] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: I thought I had seen everything in this game tell I was just in my blood raiders LAV in my last match and watched my armor and shields disappear with 3 hits of a nova knife WTF the effectiveness of a knife on a car/LAV should only be 1% as it is the lowest you can get for a weapon! It was probably me :) See my Post on Crashes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2413361#post2413361
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2016.01.24 03:14:00 - [18] - Quote I am not a pilot or driver... That being said, I am pretty sure I could get outside of 3m of a knifer if they were attacking me. And if not probably deserved to die. Just be lucky they weren't one of the knifers skilled at taking out drivers on the fly. They exist, though I haven't been able to pull it off myself. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2016.01.24 04:34:00 - [19] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I am not a pilot or driver... That being said, I am pretty sure I could get outside of 3m of a knifer if they were attacking me. And if not probably deserved to die. Just be lucky they weren't one of the knifers skilled at taking out drivers on the fly. They exist, though I haven't been able to pull it off myself. Knife the driver's side door as they pass by. Think toro. Dropsuit Usage Rates
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 156	Posted - 2016.01.24 14:32:00 - [20] - Quote Mahal Daj wrote: Justice Darling wrote: I thought I had seen everything in this game tell I was just in my blood raiders LAV in my last match and watched my armor and shields disappear with 3 hits of a nova knife WTF the effectiveness of a knife on a car/LAV should only be 1% as it is the lowest you can get for a weapon! It was probably me :) well I'm not mad or anything at the person, that being said, the lore on nova knifes is ret ard ed and really out side of the scope of reality, I'm not sure at this point what the effectiveness is on this weapon vrs vehicles but I'll make some suite and find out, guess i know where my next mil sp are going! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!

Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 157	Posted - 2016.01.24 14:39:00 - [21] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I am not a pilot or driver... That being said, I am pretty sure I could get outside of 3m of a knifer if they were attacking me. And if not probably deserved to die. Just be lucky they weren't one of the knifers skilled at taking out drivers on the fly. They exist, though I haven't been able to pull it off myself. You know, the more I read on this, the more I think CCP don't now how far 3 meters is "per google 9.84252 Feet is 3m and 2.5 is 8.2021 feet" so if the range of the knifes is from what I've seen, 2.5m or more why the hell is anyone getting close with knifes if you can kill someone a full NBA player away? Simple way to see what I'm talking about at home boys and girls, get a tape measure that is 10 feet or more, OK now put the tap measure out 8 foot and 2 inch place on floor in front of you, then swing a knife in front of you, per nova knife description ""A close-quarters melee weapon, the nova knife is as deadly a weapon as anything on the battlefield" more like its more deadly then gods smite on the battlefield and every thing within side tape measure should be hit! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2016.01.25 00:01:00 - [22] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I am not a pilot or driver... That being said, I am pretty sure I could get outside of 3m of a knifer if they were attacking me. And if not probably deserved to die. Just be lucky they weren't one of the knifers skilled at taking out drivers on the fly. They exist, though I haven't been able to pull it off myself. You know, the more I read on this, the more I think CCP don't now how far 3 meters is "per google 9.84252 Feet is 3m and 2.5 is 8.2021 feet" so if the range of the knifes is from what I've seen, 2.5m or more why the hell is anyone getting close with knifes if you can kill someone a full NBA player away? Simple way to see what I'm talking about at home boys and girls, get a tape measure that is 10 feet or more, OK now put the tap measure out 8 foot and 2 inch place on floor in front of you, then swing a knife in front of you, per nova knife description ""A close-quarters melee weapon, the nova knife is as deadly a weapon as anything on the battlefield" more like its more deadly then gods smite on the battlefield and every thing within side tape measure should be hit! It's more to do with the poor hit detection and trying to account for that for the sake of gameplay balance. Back then, the max range was 2 meters. But because of the poor detection of the knives especially when trying to chase someone using only the insta-strike (no charge), they gave it an extra half meter of range and allowed the knives to deal their damage as a "curve" during Uprising 1.9 if I remember correctly. Even then, people were still complaining that the knives were still nowhere near viable as a primary weapon. The nova knives where then normalized in terms of damage dealt. The standard and advanced nova knives were buffed in damage and normalized for their given tier while the prototype knives were left untouched. Militia nova knives did not exist until just before the sidearm event started. Officer nova knives came after the event and those knives are what make you feel that they are OP due to their insane charge time and high damage profile. However, what keeps them from being OP in reality is that they are so expensive (about 300k ISK a pair). Also, don't talk about comparing reality to a video game that is all about science fiction. Nothing about this game conforms with reality in any way. One more thing. If you're spending your next million SP on knives just because you might feel that it's the next flavor of the month, you will be sorely disappointed in the knives. Come to think of it, maybe you should invest in the knives just so you can see how extremely difficult it is to use. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.25 00:19:00 - [23] - Quote Apoleon II wrote: They are fckng nova knives! And they must run towards you to kill vehicle, so it is okay It's not about how difficult it is for them to get to you. The issue that you are facing is one of suspension of disbelief and in Dust you have to consider that the vehicles you are targeting will have significantly thicker armour than any modern vehicle to the point where a 30cm long knife couldn't even penetrate it let alone hit a vital area. As we have said in other threads it would not be a problem if there was an animation that used the knife to shear open a hatch to toss a grenade in or cut away a segment of armour to allow AV to deal more damage..... but your Nova Knife is the equivalent of running up to a Challenger II with ERA and a 'Streetfighter Kit' and attacking its treads with a butter knife. TL;DR- It's stupid as ***. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.25 00:20:00 - [24] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Hmm. Didn't realize the blood raiders lav had such a low horsepower engine. Just run him the fcking hell over. Or outrun him. You have a turret,shoot him with that? I mean come on,now we're whining about nova knives vs vehicles? I swear to lord metapod,the complaining level here in these forums is too damn high! For peters fcking sake! Do you realize that: 1.you have to be within 2m to shank 2.have skillpoints in nova knives 3.charge and slash with the damn things 4.not fcking miss 5.spend a few million skill points on a scout Mk.0 and proto knives and the neccesary modules to shank your little tin car? Somehow its unfair that a pair of knives that cost isk can hurt your little bpo car? Maybe vs a tank it seems weird but Anti-vehicle is so unbalanced already. Not to mention madrugar gv.0s with damn near invincible dual hardeners rolling around farming infantry? Please,save you complaints for when the av and hav of doom are properly balanced. Again it's not whining. Nobody in an HAV has actually ever been knifed to death unless it was staged.... seriously. It's just a mechanic that is poorly represented and never should have been introduced. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2016.01.25 01:01:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Hmm. Didn't realize the blood raiders lav had such a low horsepower engine. Just run him the fcking hell over. Or outrun him. You have a turret,shoot him with that? I mean come on,now we're whining about nova knives vs vehicles? I swear to lord metapod,the complaining level here in these forums is too damn high! For peters fcking sake! Do you realize that: 1.you have to be within 2m to shank 2.have skillpoints in nova knives 3.charge and slash with the damn things 4.not fcking miss 5.spend a few million skill points on a scout Mk.0 and proto knives and the neccesary modules to shank your little tin car? Somehow its unfair that a pair of knives that cost isk can hurt your little bpo car? Maybe vs a tank it seems weird but Anti-vehicle is so unbalanced already. Not to mention madrugar gv.0s with damn near invincible dual hardeners rolling around farming infantry? Please,save you complaints for when the av and hav of doom are properly balanced. Again it's not whining. Nobody in an HAV has actually ever been knifed to death unless it was staged.... seriously. It's just a mechanic that is poorly represented and never should have been introduced. To some extent I agree and I think I can blame the previous dev leadership on that. An animation as you pointed out would have helped but that's too late now. Let's just hope #PortDust514 gives us a chance to address that. And for the record, I have recently killed tanks with nova knives. But as I said earlier, those were because the drivers were likely incompetent. So far, skilled drivers escape me easily (with and without killing me in the process). Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 157	Posted - 2016.01.25 15:41:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Hmm. Didn't realize the blood raiders lav had such a low horsepower engine. Just run him the fcking hell over. Or outrun him. You have a turret,shoot him with that? I mean come on,now we're whining about nova knives vs vehicles? I swear to lord metapod,the complaining level here in these forums is too damn high! For peters fcking sake! Do you realize that: 1.you have to be within 2m to shank 2.have skillpoints in nova knives 3.charge and slash with the damn things 4.not fcking miss 5.spend a few million skill points on a scout Mk.0 and proto knives and the neccesary modules to shank your little tin car? Somehow its unfair that a pair of knives that cost isk can hurt your little bpo car? Maybe vs a tank it seems weird but Anti-vehicle is so unbalanced already. Not to mention madrugar gv.0s with damn near invincible dual hardeners rolling around farming infantry? Please,save you complaints for when the av and hav of doom are properly balanced. Again it's not whining. Nobody in an HAV has actually ever been knifed to death unless it was staged.... seriously. It's just a mechanic that is poorly represented and never should have been introduced. Not true, my corp m8 told me he has been nova'ed before in his HAV, granted the scout wasnt alone but still hitting for 200 dps uncharged and 600 fully charged isnt OP its just nuts! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 157	Posted - 2016.01.25 15:46:00 - [27] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Justice Darling wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I am not a pilot or driver... That being said, I am pretty sure I could get outside of 3m of a knifer if they were attacking me. And if not probably deserved to die. Just be lucky they weren't one of the knifers skilled at taking out drivers on the fly. They exist, though I haven't been able to pull it off myself. You know, the more I read on this, the more I think CCP don't now how far 3 meters is "per google 9.84252 Feet is 3m and 2.5 is 8.2021 feet" so if the range of the knifes is from what I've seen, 2.5m or more why the hell is anyone getting close with knifes if you can kill someone a full NBA player away? Simple way to see what I'm talking about at home boys and girls, get a tape measure that is 10 feet or more, OK now put the tap measure out 8 foot and 2 inch place on floor in front of you, then swing a knife in front of you, per nova knife description ""A close-quarters melee weapon, the nova knife is as deadly a weapon as anything on the battlefield" more like its more deadly then gods smite on the battlefield and every thing within side tape measure should be hit! It's more to do with the poor hit detection and trying to account for that for the sake of gameplay balance. Back then, the max range was 2 meters. But because of the poor detection of the knives especially when trying to chase someone using only the insta-strike (no charge), they gave it an extra half meter of range and allowed the knives to deal their damage as a "curve" during Uprising 1.9 if I remember correctly. Even then, people were still complaining that the knives were still nowhere near viable as a primary weapon. The nova knives where then normalized in terms of damage dealt. The standard and advanced nova knives were buffed in damage and normalized for their given tier while the prototype knives were left untouched. Militia nova knives did not exist until just before the sidearm event started. Officer nova knives came after the event and those knives are what make you feel that they are OP due to their insane charge time and high damage profile. However, what keeps them from being OP in reality is that they are so expensive (about 300k ISK a pair). Also, don't talk about comparing reality to a video game that is all about science fiction. Nothing about this game conforms with reality in any way. One more thing. If you're spending your next million SP on knives just because you might feel that it's the next flavor of the month, you will be sorely disappointed in the knives. Come to think of it, maybe you should invest in the knives just so you can see how extremely difficult it is to use. If you think ISK don't make something OP your doing something wrong, no amount of isk is going to stop me from using something i can loss 20 to 30 pythons before i care mil each and i still would be ok to us anything dropsuite as is, fact is a knife on armor on a tank lav drop ship should be alot harder then that of a dropsuites that is only point I was trying to make take a plasma cutter to a real tank takes a lot to even scratch it. It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 3	Posted - 2016.01.25 21:47:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Hmm. Didn't realize the blood raiders lav had such a low horsepower engine. Just run him the fcking hell over. Or outrun him. You have a turret,shoot him with that? I mean come on,now we're whining about nova knives vs vehicles? I swear to lord metapod,the complaining level here in these forums is too damn high! For peters fcking sake! Do you realize that: 1.you have to be within 2m to shank 2.have skillpoints in nova knives 3.charge and slash with the damn things 4.not fcking miss 5.spend a few million skill points on a scout Mk.0 and proto knives and the neccesary modules to shank your little tin car? Somehow its unfair that a pair of knives that cost isk can hurt your little bpo car? Maybe vs a tank it seems weird but Anti-vehicle is so unbalanced already. Not to mention madrugar gv.0s with damn near invincible dual hardeners rolling around farming infantry? Please,save you complaints for when the av and hav of doom are properly balanced. Again it's not whining. Nobody in an HAV has actually ever been knifed to death unless it was staged.... seriously. It's just a mechanic that is poorly represented and never should have been introduced. I beg to differ. I've done it on multiple occasions. SoulPancake
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.26 00:21:00 - [29] - Quote Fine I'll quantify that with no one worth a damn in a tank has every actually been Nova Knifed to death. There is a mechanic I could tolerate for how Nova Knives do damage to HAV and that is if they fired their blade like a Ballistic Knife. A KEP with a thermally ignited plasma blade fired using a compressed gravity mechanism theoretically could punch through tank armour and drag in super heated air to damage internal systems. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 157	Posted - 2016.01.26 16:14:00 - [30] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Fine I'll quantify that with no one worth a damn in a tank has every actually been Nova Knifed to death. There is a mechanic I could tolerate for how Nova Knives do damage to HAV and that is if they fired their blade like a Ballistic Knife. A KEP with a thermally ignited plasma blade fired using a compressed gravity mechanism theoretically could punch through tank armour and drag in super heated air to damage internal systems. Same can be said for anyone worth a damn has never ever been Nova Knifed, but that's unrealistic, but it don't change the fact that a Knife shouldn't hurt vehicle armor like it does, I'm sorry its a knife not a plasma cannon not a swarm launcher not a remote not a av grenade ect ect ect! Its a sidearm, it shouldn't kill as fast as a Primary weapon when it comes to AV... It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!

Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 1	Posted - 2016.01.26 17:00:00 - [31] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Fine I'll quantify that with no one worth a damn in a tank has every actually been Nova Knifed to death. There is a mechanic I could tolerate for how Nova Knives do damage to HAV and that is if they fired their blade like a Ballistic Knife. A KEP with a thermally ignited plasma blade fired using a compressed gravity mechanism theoretically could punch through tank armour and drag in super heated air to damage internal systems. Isn't the Nova Knife already a knife with an ignited plasma edge? Purifier. First Class.
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 157	Posted - 2016.01.26 17:05:00 - [32] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: True Adamance wrote: Fine I'll quantify that with no one worth a damn in a tank has every actually been Nova Knifed to death. There is a mechanic I could tolerate for how Nova Knives do damage to HAV and that is if they fired their blade like a Ballistic Knife. A KEP with a thermally ignited plasma blade fired using a compressed gravity mechanism theoretically could punch through tank armour and drag in super heated air to damage internal systems. Isn't the Nova Knife already a knife with an ignited plasma edge? Most that can do is clean paint off metal and scratch it, about it! granted an inch or two into metal after a about a min to get it that deep and that is with blowing the slag out of the way It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Atiim Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 16	Posted - 2016.01.27 04:09:00 - [33] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Mahal Daj wrote: Justice Darling wrote: I thought I had seen everything in this game tell I was just in my blood raiders LAV in my last match and watched my armor and shields disappear with 3 hits of a nova knife WTF the effectiveness of a knife on a car/LAV should only be 1% as it is the lowest you can get for a weapon! It was probably me :) well I'm not mad or anything at the person, that being said, the lore on nova knifes is ret ard ed and really out side of the scope of reality, I'm not sure at this point what the effectiveness is on this weapon vrs vehicles but I'll make some suite and find out, guess i know where my next mil sp are going! It makes perfect sense from a lore perspective as the knives are sheathed in plasma, making it a sort of bladed Plasma Cannon. As for where your next 1m SP is going, my guess is nowhere or down the drain because if you think you'll be able to use NKs to hit vehicles with any regularity, you're delusional. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 162	Posted - 2016.01.27 19:22:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: Justice Darling wrote: Mahal Daj wrote: Justice Darling wrote: I thought I had seen everything in this game tell I was just in my blood raiders LAV in my last match and watched my armor and shields disappear with 3 hits of a nova knife WTF the effectiveness of a knife on a car/LAV should only be 1% as it is the lowest you can get for a weapon! It was probably me :) well I'm not mad or anything at the person, that being said, the lore on nova knifes is ret ard ed and really out side of the scope of reality, I'm not sure at this point what the effectiveness is on this weapon vrs vehicles but I'll make some suite and find out, guess i know where my next mil sp are going! It makes perfect sense from a lore perspective as the knives are sheathed in plasma, making it a sort of bladed Plasma Cannon. As for where your next 1m SP is going, my guess is nowhere or down the drain because if you think you'll be able to use NKs to hit vehicles with any regularity, you're delusional. I really think the lack of knowledge, or board line full out ignorance on how plasma works physics in any universe this is kind of mind blowing, My guess on the blade is its made of crystalline non-neutral plasma ~0 K (crystalline non-neutral plasma[11]) to 108 K (magnetic fusion plasma) OK you want to effect the magnetic field of the Nova Knife to charge it with plasma fine, then its should burn the blade up in one shoot and the blade will need replaced after each us as the blade will change from a solid to a plasma, OK great then give the knife a clip number and allow it to be restocked by nano hives, but the charged up blade should need replaced once used, I know Nova knife users hate me atm and thats fine I can live with that, i cant really live with a knife eating 600 shield and 400 armor in 3 hits! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.27 20:46:00 - [35] - Quote Atiim wrote: Justice Darling wrote: Mahal Daj wrote: Justice Darling wrote: I thought I had seen everything in this game tell I was just in my blood raiders LAV in my last match and watched my armor and shields disappear with 3 hits of a nova knife WTF the effectiveness of a knife on a car/LAV should only be 1% as it is the lowest you can get for a weapon! It was probably me :) well I'm not mad or anything at the person, that being said, the lore on nova knifes is ret ard ed and really out side of the scope of reality, I'm not sure at this point what the effectiveness is on this weapon vrs vehicles but I'll make some suite and find out, guess i know where my next mil sp are going! It makes perfect sense from a lore perspective as the knives are sheathed in plasma, making it a sort of bladed Plasma Cannon. As for where your next 1m SP is going, my guess is nowhere or down the drain because if you think you'll be able to use NKs to hit vehicles with any regularity, you're delusional. That's debatable really considering how the Plasma Cannon Operates. "The dense plasma discharge it generates is highly unstable, decaying rapidly and venting sufficient heat and energy to severely damage targets caught within its critical emission radius. During the short pre-fire charge, ultracold plasma is prepared and then heated inside a magneto-core trap. Just prior to discharge, a small precursor projectile is fired that produces (and is ultimately consumed by) a short-lived tail that helps guide and contain the volatile discharge is it travels towards its target." From this I think it it relatively fair to assume that this weapon fires a single dense yet plasma charge that functions in its AV role due to the rapid manner by which it expends the massive energy contained against the hull of a tank. However the Nova Knife is just a standard knife with a super heated edge. It has no explosive charge or capacity for energy discharge to damage internal systems as most modern anti tank weapons are designed to penetrate the armour and kill the crew with the exception of HESH rounds. The blade is between 30-45cm long considering (mercenary size) yet they are used to target a vehicle designed for a similarly large super soldier equipped with shield and armour technologies that go beyond ERA, RHA, FHA, and Chobham armour packages. Nova Knives are inefficient for killing crew or damaging critical systems even if they can penetrate the armour though probably fail to inflict any meaningful damage as dragging a blade through armour that is constantly pumping repair nanintes into the affected area. As I say..... it's not a matter of me disliking Nova Knives or not wanting another AV form. It's that this mechanic is superfluous, down right ridiculously portrayed, and beyond my ability to suspend my disbelief. Perhaps 110% Nova Knife damage when attacking a Tanks rear radiator as I can believe that damage would have a significant affect on the tank but never on frontal, sides, or top armour. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel
Atiim Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 16	Posted - 2016.01.27 21:03:00 - [36] - Quote True Adamance wrote: That's debatable really considering how the Plasma Cannon Operates. Perhaps, but if CCP stated it themselves we have no choice but to accept it as "cannon", and therefore correct. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 163	Posted - 2016.01.27 21:11:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: That's debatable really considering how the Plasma Cannon Operates. Perhaps, but if CCP stated it themselves we have no choice but to accept it as "cannon", and therefore correct. Then it shouldn't have a infinite ammo amount on it, it should have a finite amount of charges! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2	Posted - 2016.01.27 23:23:00 - [38] - Quote They are blades wreathed in plasma. It's very common in scifi for energy swords to easily cut through armour, or just about anything. See WH40k (most similar), Star Wars, Evangelion, StarCraft etc.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 14	Posted - 2016.01.27 23:54:00 - [39] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: That's debatable really considering how the Plasma Cannon Operates. Perhaps, but if CCP stated it themselves we have no choice but to accept it as "cannon", and therefore correct. Then it shouldn't have a infinite ammo amount on it, it should have a finite amount of charges! You want knives to have ammo? If you think that will make any difference, you obviously over estimate the life span of a knifer. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.28 01:22:00 - [40] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: They are blades wreathed in plasma. It's very common in scifi for energy swords to easily cut through armour, or just about anything. See WH40k (most similar), Star Wars, Evangelion, StarCraft etc. That said HAV's are designed to withstand multiple hits from high density plasma charges and 80GJ Ion Cannon Rounds..... Do you honestly believe you can put your knives on par with either weapon considering that your knives don't draw an external consumable power source? Sure your knives are 'spr hi-tek' so's my damn tanks armour. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel

Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2016.01.28 02:22:00 - [41] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: True Adamance wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Hmm. Didn't realize the blood raiders lav had such a low horsepower engine. Just run him the fcking hell over. Or outrun him. You have a turret,shoot him with that? I mean come on,now we're whining about nova knives vs vehicles? I swear to lord metapod,the complaining level here in these forums is too damn high! For peters fcking sake! Do you realize that: 1.you have to be within 2m to shank 2.have skillpoints in nova knives 3.charge and slash with the damn things 4.not fcking miss 5.spend a few million skill points on a scout Mk.0 and proto knives and the neccesary modules to shank your little tin car? Somehow its unfair that a pair of knives that cost isk can hurt your little bpo car? Maybe vs a tank it seems weird but Anti-vehicle is so unbalanced already. Not to mention madrugar gv.0s with damn near invincible dual hardeners rolling around farming infantry? Please,save you complaints for when the av and hav of doom are properly balanced. Again it's not whining. Nobody in an HAV has actually ever been knifed to death unless it was staged.... seriously. It's just a mechanic that is poorly represented and never should have been introduced. To some extent I agree and I think I can blame the previous dev leadership on that. An animation as you pointed out would have helped but that's too late now. Let's just hope #PortDust514 gives us a chance to address that. And for the record, I have recently killed tanks with nova knives. But as I said earlier, those were because the drivers were likely incompetent. So far, skilled drivers escape me easily (with and without killing me in the process). Wait, the state of Pilots is in such poor state that such idiots are rampant? Top lel
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.28 03:00:00 - [42] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: True Adamance wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Hmm. Didn't realize the blood raiders lav had such a low horsepower engine. Just run him the fcking hell over. Or outrun him. You have a turret,shoot him with that? I mean come on,now we're whining about nova knives vs vehicles? I swear to lord metapod,the complaining level here in these forums is too damn high! For peters fcking sake! Do you realize that: 1.you have to be within 2m to shank 2.have skillpoints in nova knives 3.charge and slash with the damn things 4.not fcking miss 5.spend a few million skill points on a scout Mk.0 and proto knives and the neccesary modules to shank your little tin car? Somehow its unfair that a pair of knives that cost isk can hurt your little bpo car? Maybe vs a tank it seems weird but Anti-vehicle is so unbalanced already. Not to mention madrugar gv.0s with damn near invincible dual hardeners rolling around farming infantry? Please,save you complaints for when the av and hav of doom are properly balanced. Again it's not whining. Nobody in an HAV has actually ever been knifed to death unless it was staged.... seriously. It's just a mechanic that is poorly represented and never should have been introduced. To some extent I agree and I think I can blame the previous dev leadership on that. An animation as you pointed out would have helped but that's too late now. Let's just hope #PortDust514 gives us a chance to address that. And for the record, I have recently killed tanks with nova knives. But as I said earlier, those were because the drivers were likely incompetent. So far, skilled drivers escape me easily (with and without killing me in the process). Wait, the state of Pilots is in such poor state that such idiots are rampant? Yes. I ** you not it's a too common to be just newbies but common idiot that inhabits this game are fitting ***** Shield Hardeners to armour tanks. Hell the day before that I drove circles around a Soma and Gv.0 ina Cv.0 with less and 1000 Shield before my hardeners kicked in a still destroyed both HAV. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2016.01.28 03:03:00 - [43] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: True Adamance wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Hmm. Didn't realize the blood raiders lav had such a low horsepower engine. Just run him the fcking hell over. Or outrun him. You have a turret,shoot him with that? I mean come on,now we're whining about nova knives vs vehicles? I swear to lord metapod,the complaining level here in these forums is too damn high! For peters fcking sake! Do you realize that: 1.you have to be within 2m to shank 2.have skillpoints in nova knives 3.charge and slash with the damn things 4.not fcking miss 5.spend a few million skill points on a scout Mk.0 and proto knives and the neccesary modules to shank your little tin car? Somehow its unfair that a pair of knives that cost isk can hurt your little bpo car? Maybe vs a tank it seems weird but Anti-vehicle is so unbalanced already. Not to mention madrugar gv.0s with damn near invincible dual hardeners rolling around farming infantry? Please,save you complaints for when the av and hav of doom are properly balanced. Again it's not whining. Nobody in an HAV has actually ever been knifed to death unless it was staged.... seriously. It's just a mechanic that is poorly represented and never should have been introduced. To some extent I agree and I think I can blame the previous dev leadership on that. An animation as you pointed out would have helped but that's too late now. Let's just hope #PortDust514 gives us a chance to address that. And for the record, I have recently killed tanks with nova knives. But as I said earlier, those were because the drivers were likely incompetent. So far, skilled drivers escape me easily (with and without killing me in the process). Wait, the state of Pilots is in such poor state that such idiots are rampant? Yes. I ** you not it's a too common to be just newbies but common idiot that inhabits this game are fitting ***** Shield Hardeners to armour tanks. Hell the day before that I drove circles around a Soma and Gv.0 ina Cv.0 with less and 1000 Shield before my hardeners kicked in a still destroyed both HAV. lol, sounds like the good ole' days when I used to whoop major ass in PC against the fools who couldn't figure out how to properly Gallente. Top lel
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2016.01.28 04:08:00 - [44] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Wait, the state of Pilots is in such poor state that such idiots are rampant? Yup. No doubt about it. What makes it even more hilarious, or sad, is that each and every one of those kills I got with the knife were 100% preventable. What could have prevented them from losing a tank to a pair of Ishukone or Nothi's Nova Knives? Simple. 1. Don't panic. 2. Drive away. 3. When you're far enough away, get out of the tank and shoot me. I'm pretty squishy. (this step is optional) But they all panicked and in their haste drove their tanks into structures or other objects that pinned their tanks to the point of being immobilized long enough for me to destroy them with knives. Sometimes, if they crash into something hard enough, they suffer from impact damage alone which softens them up for me even more before slashing away at their tank. The power of the knives may be hard to ignore, but it's impossible to ignore the existence of stupid drivers. Now here is something that very few people heard about me. Remember that Sidearm Event that CCP hosted a long time ago requiring everyone to use MILITIA sidearms only to qualify for naming the next officer sidearms? Well, this may surprise the original poster, but I managed to kill a dropship with a pair of MLT level knives. The pilot was trying to squash me like a bug by bringing down his dropship on top of me. He was clearly trying. Several attempts with this tactic against me failed. But eventually he dropped his dropship a little too fast and hit the ground just enough to wipe out his shields and some armor. I quick slash its hull and he exploded on the ground. The kill feed read... Maken Tosch [Militia Nova Knives] StupidDerpshipPilot I laughed so hard that I didn't notice that I got killed by a random redberry soon after until after I took a moment catch my breath from all the laughter. Remember that this was a year before Hotfix FoxFour which means that I was only dealing 50% damage with MLT knives. Anyways, that's enough stories from me about derpship pilots and panicky tank drivers. Let's continue on the issues at hand. 1. I still agree that there should be some limitation to where on a tank a knife can apply the most the damage. The rear where the powercells are at is always the best place and damage is currently amplified by about 240% if you hit your mark with the knives. Everywhere else on the tank should cause the nova knife to lose some of its effectiveness. 50% damage applied on the front, 50% damage applied on the sides where the treads are at, 100% damage applied on the top, and the current 240% damage still applied on the small area on the rear of the tank. This way, if a knifer wants to get at least full damage dealt, they'll have to get on top of the tank where the driver and his gunner can see him. If they want the bonus damage, they'll have to flank and get behind the vehicle first. 2. If you want animations showing a player ripping a tank apart with knives and then planting a grenade or RE inside, perhaps Halo can be the inspiration for that. 3. Even if the above-mentioned ideas were implemented, that still won't address the other part of the nova knife equation. Idiot pilots. For Christ sake, if someone loses a dropship to a pair of militia nova knives, it's not because the knives are OP. It's because they're an idiot. Tanks were still dying to nova knives back when knives could only do a blanket damage of 50% on vehicles. Even if your nerfed the effectiveness to back to those levels, tanks will still die to nova knives because of idiots. If a pair of MLT knives were able to kill a dropship back in 2014 with just 50% effectiveness, I'm pretty sure Ishukones had no problem. 4. Oh, let's not get started on fictional physics in a video game here. Have you looked at Eve Online? An entire station can be right between you and your target and the station won't be able to block a single shot. Planets don't orbit at all and thus are fixed onto the same location every day. Spaceships move like submarines do underwater in the vacuum of space. And don't get me started on bumping. And that's just on Dust 514. Wait until we start talking about Halo. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.28 19:31:00 - [45] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Oh, let's not get started on fictional physics in a video game here. Have you looked at Eve Online? An entire station can be right between you and your target and the station won't be able to block a single shot. Planets don't orbit at all and thus are fixed onto the same location every day. Spaceships move like submarines do underwater in the vacuum of space. And don't get me started on bumping. And that's just on Dust 514. Wait until we start talking about Halo. It's not so much about physics as it is trying to get people of understand modern tank technologies as well as how weapons penetrate tank armour or how they fail to penetrate the armour. I feel it's entirely reasonable to assume that the armour thickness of a cloned soldiers tank is sufficient to render short bladed weapons like Nova Knives completely ineffective plasma edged, blade or no, where are a fast moving dense plasma projectile discharging thermal energy across the surface of whatever it impacts with certainly would have the capacity to deal damage to armoured vehicles in the same way a HESH round might. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2016.01.29 04:51:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Oh, let's not get started on fictional physics in a video game here. Have you looked at Eve Online? An entire station can be right between you and your target and the station won't be able to block a single shot. Planets don't orbit at all and thus are fixed onto the same location every day. Spaceships move like submarines do underwater in the vacuum of space. And don't get me started on bumping. And that's just on Dust 514. Wait until we start talking about Halo. It's not so much about physics as it is trying to get people of understand modern tank technologies as well as how weapons penetrate tank armour or how they fail to penetrate the armour. I feel it's entirely reasonable to assume that the armour thickness of a cloned soldiers tank is sufficient to render short bladed weapons like Nova Knives completely ineffective plasma edged, blade or no, where are a fast moving dense plasma projectile discharging thermal energy across the surface of whatever it impacts with certainly would have the capacity to deal damage to armoured vehicles in the same way a HESH round might. I know. Make-believe physics is hard to ignore, but to try to compare modern day tank technologies to fictional tank technologies that is over 20,000 years into the future is like comparing the USS George Washington to the Nyx Supercarrier The purpose of the vehicles might be the same, but the disparity in technology between them is just as hard to ignore as make-believe physics. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2	Posted - 2016.01.29 08:40:00 - [47] - Quote Close combat gives people the opportunity to attack tank's weak points. So I wouldn't expect a nova knife to be effective against the main armour hull, but if you're standing on a tank surely you could do serious damage with an energy blade if you stab the right place. It doesn't feel thematically wrong to me. Not to mention the fact it's very difficult to actually kill a tank with knives.
Atiim Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 16	Posted - 2016.01.29 15:27:00 - [48] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: That's debatable really considering how the Plasma Cannon Operates. Perhaps, but if CCP stated it themselves we have no choice but to accept it as "cannon", and therefore correct. Then it shouldn't have a infinite ammo amount on it, it should have a finite amount of charges! For various reasons, gameplay balance is prioritized far ahead of realismGäó; for if we did make gameplay changes based on what's realisticGäó (as an example), 20/80GJ Railguns would be turning districts into parking lots. It'd also mean Laser Strikes would be used every 30s as a realisticGäó military would bomb their enemies as frequently as possible, and I could probably come up with more examples if given the time. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2016.01.29 16:16:00 - [49] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Close combat gives people the opportunity to attack tank's weak points. So I wouldn't expect a nova knife to be effective against the main armour hull, but if you're standing on a tank surely you could do serious damage with an energy blade if you stab the right place. It doesn't feel thematically wrong to me. Not to mention the fact it's very difficult to actually kill a tank with knives. So you feel that a knife can somehow with the power of a person should somewhat rival a small turret? Top lel
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:09:00 - [50] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Close combat gives people the opportunity to attack tank's weak points. So I wouldn't expect a nova knife to be effective against the main armour hull, but if you're standing on a tank surely you could do serious damage with an energy blade if you stab the right place. It doesn't feel thematically wrong to me. Not to mention the fact it's very difficult to actually kill a tank with knives. So you feel that a knife can somehow with the power of a person should somewhat rival a small turret? Again, it's an energy blade. It doesn't seem wrong that it can damage a tank. It's a common concept. Both the power of energy blades, and the effectiveness of infantry CQC on tanks.

Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2016.01.30 19:07:00 - [51] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Close combat gives people the opportunity to attack tank's weak points. So I wouldn't expect a nova knife to be effective against the main armour hull, but if you're standing on a tank surely you could do serious damage with an energy blade if you stab the right place. It doesn't feel thematically wrong to me. Not to mention the fact it's very difficult to actually kill a tank with knives. So you feel that a knife can somehow with the power of a person should somewhat rival a small turret? Again, it's an energy blade. It doesn't seem wrong that it can damage a tank. It's a common concept. Both the power of energy blades, and the effectiveness of infantry CQC on tanks. It's not an "energy blade". At the most it's a blade that is temporarily covered in plasma, giving the user the ability to cut with the force of a shotgun pretty much. NK's should by that logic be able to completely rip apart anything they touch in one hit, regardless of suit size if they were to be able to hit. Seeing as you're trying to class it as an AV weapon, it should act like one. Additionally, that would mean shotguns would be ableto act as AV wepons since they pretty much have the force of NK's. You know what, how about we go full apeshit and bring back the good ole' firing squads from before, being able to quickly kill HAV's with a squad of rifles; I mean, it's flinging plasma, lasers, real big bulllets, etc. at them, so they should be able to kill them, right? OR how about no. This isn't a make believe physics land like Star Wars, **** has to actually make sense. Top lel
ROMULUS H3X research lab 982	Posted - 2016.01.30 22:59:00 - [52] - Quote Do you even LAV though? Any modules being utilized at all? Personally I throw a Shield hardener on while I am parked with my Blood Raiders and doing something productive. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 4	Posted - 2016.01.30 23:19:00 - [53] - Quote You know what's even worst... lele... Last hotfix... You were suppose to be able to fist tanks to deal with melee... Hehe... I have a Fan!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.31 21:02:00 - [54] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: You know what's even worst... lele... Last hotfix... You were suppose to be able to fist tanks to deal with melee... Hehe... I'm goddamn Glad Rattati didn't introduce that sort of nonsense. I mean who in their right mind develops a tank for soldiers who can punch through the hull with nothing more than a few roids and a light weight metal skeleton. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2016.01.31 23:52:00 - [55] - Quote Ok here we go. Just today I got done playing a match in Domination on the following map: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/64656/1/LineHarvest_domination.jpg My team came from the South while the enemy came from the North. At first, the enemy captured the objective but we managed to push them out and hack it for ourselves. But after the objective flips, blaster-fitted Gallente HAV with armor modules comes in from the enemy side becomes a nascence. It was sticking to an area located within Grids D9, E9, and F9. Because of this tank, we lost control of the objective. So I decided to pull out my AV dropsuit which is an Scout Ak.0 with Wyrkomi Swarms, Flaylock pistol, and advanced AV grenades. Using the cloak, I flanked to get behind the tank and surprised it with 3 swarm salvos. As it took damage, the driver backed out from Grid F9 and headed North into its redline as it drove backwards. I kept up the pressure with AV grenades and flaylocks and forced it deeper into its redline. I nearly killed it with another 3 salvos of the swarms, but I got killed by the redline before I got a chance. So I decided it was time to bring out my knife suit which I call the "Tank Killer". This is basically a Scout Mk.0 with Nothi's Nova Knives stacked with damage mods, kin kats, and a cloak. Nothing more. No extra weapon. No extra equipment. I flanked the HAV once again and aimed straight for the rear section of the tank where the 240% damage bonus would be applied if I managed to hit it. The shields went down in the first hit and then I started digging into its armor. But the armor mods kicked in. Even if I was able to apply some damage, I wasn't able to apply it fast enough. The HAV driver backed out which caused the collision mechanic to push me to the side and out of the rear. I was chasing it, once again and with greater speed, but the HAV was just too fast. I was forced to cloak up and flee as it was firing its blaster at me. I tried again as the tank came back from its redline again and just kept attacking it. No surprise, it backed out into its redline but this time it manages to kill me as it retreated. At this point I realized that the HAV was just not going to be easy to kill. In fact, my success rate throughout the match was ZERO PERCENT when using the "Tank Killer" fit. My Scout Ak.0 with Wyrkomi Swarm Launchers gave me better results than the "Tank Killer" Scout Mk.0. Remember that I was using NOTHI'S Nova Knives. The most powerful sidearm in the game on a dropsuit that boosts its power while using it on a section of the HAV where it is most vulnerable and even then I was failing to kill the HAV. Every. Single. Time. The HAV driver was smart. He kept moving at the first sign of trouble and he had good enough aim with his blaster to kill me several times in my Scout Mk.0. Perhaps I should have stuck with the Scout Ak.0 and its swarms. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 164	Posted - 2016.02.01 16:46:00 - [56] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ok here we go. Just today I got done playing a match in Domination on the following map: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/64656/1/LineHarvest_domination.jpg My team came from the South while the enemy came from the North. At first, the enemy captured the objective but we managed to push them out and hack it for ourselves. But after the objective flips, blaster-fitted Gallente HAV with armor modules comes in from the enemy side becomes a nascence. It was sticking to an area located within Grids D9, E9, and F9. Because of this tank, we lost control of the objective. So I decided to pull out my AV dropsuit which is an Scout Ak.0 with Wyrkomi Swarms, Flaylock pistol, and advanced AV grenades. Using the cloak, I flanked to get behind the tank and surprised it with 3 swarm salvos. As it took damage, the driver backed out from Grid F9 and headed North into its redline as it drove backwards. I kept up the pressure with AV grenades and flaylocks and forced it deeper into its redline. I nearly killed it with another 3 salvos of the swarms, but I got killed by the redline before I got a chance. So I decided it was time to bring out my knife suit which I call the "Tank Killer". This is basically a Scout Mk.0 with Nothi's Nova Knives stacked with damage mods, kin kats, and a cloak. Nothing more. No extra weapon. No extra equipment. I flanked the HAV once again and aimed straight for the rear section of the tank where the 240% damage bonus would be applied if I managed to hit it. The shields went down in the first hit and then I started digging into its armor. But the armor mods kicked in. Even if I was able to apply some damage, I wasn't able to apply it fast enough. The HAV driver backed out which caused the collision mechanic to push me to the side and out of the rear. I was chasing it, once again and with greater speed, but the HAV was just too fast. I was forced to cloak up and flee as it was firing its blaster at me. I tried again as the tank came back from its redline again and just kept attacking it. No surprise, it backed out into its redline but this time it manages to kill me as it retreated. At this point I realized that the HAV was just not going to be easy to kill. In fact, my success rate throughout the match was ZERO PERCENT when using the "Tank Killer" fit. My Scout Ak.0 with Wyrkomi Swarm Launchers gave me better results than the "Tank Killer" Scout Mk.0. Remember that I was using NOTHI'S Nova Knives. The most powerful sidearm in the game on a dropsuit that boosts its power while using it on a section of the HAV where it is most vulnerable and even then I was failing to kill the HAV. Every. Single. Time. The HAV driver was smart. He kept moving at the first sign of trouble and he had good enough aim with his blaster to kill me several times in my Scout Mk.0. Perhaps I should have stuck with the Scout Ak.0 and its swarms. Hey next time you try to drop 3 remote of the F/45 Remote Explosive before you start to knife and see what happens, pop them once he starts to run! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2016.02.02 00:26:00 - [57] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Ok here we go. Just today I got done playing a match in Domination on the following map: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/64656/1/LineHarvest_domination.jpg My team came from the South while the enemy came from the North. At first, the enemy captured the objective but we managed to push them out and hack it for ourselves. But after the objective flips, blaster-fitted Gallente HAV with armor modules comes in from the enemy side becomes a nascence. It was sticking to an area located within Grids D9, E9, and F9. Because of this tank, we lost control of the objective. So I decided to pull out my AV dropsuit which is an Scout Ak.0 with Wyrkomi Swarms, Flaylock pistol, and advanced AV grenades. Using the cloak, I flanked to get behind the tank and surprised it with 3 swarm salvos. As it took damage, the driver backed out from Grid F9 and headed North into its redline as it drove backwards. I kept up the pressure with AV grenades and flaylocks and forced it deeper into its redline. I nearly killed it with another 3 salvos of the swarms, but I got killed by the redline before I got a chance. So I decided it was time to bring out my knife suit which I call the "Tank Killer". This is basically a Scout Mk.0 with Nothi's Nova Knives stacked with damage mods, kin kats, and a cloak. Nothing more. No extra weapon. No extra equipment. I flanked the HAV once again and aimed straight for the rear section of the tank where the 240% damage bonus would be applied if I managed to hit it. The shields went down in the first hit and then I started digging into its armor. But the armor mods kicked in. Even if I was able to apply some damage, I wasn't able to apply it fast enough. The HAV driver backed out which caused the collision mechanic to push me to the side and out of the rear. I was chasing it, once again and with greater speed, but the HAV was just too fast. I was forced to cloak up and flee as it was firing its blaster at me. I tried again as the tank came back from its redline again and just kept attacking it. No surprise, it backed out into its redline but this time it manages to kill me as it retreated. At this point I realized that the HAV was just not going to be easy to kill. In fact, my success rate throughout the match was ZERO PERCENT when using the "Tank Killer" fit. My Scout Ak.0 with Wyrkomi Swarm Launchers gave me better results than the "Tank Killer" Scout Mk.0. Remember that I was using NOTHI'S Nova Knives. The most powerful sidearm in the game on a dropsuit that boosts its power while using it on a section of the HAV where it is most vulnerable and even then I was failing to kill the HAV. Every. Single. Time. The HAV driver was smart. He kept moving at the first sign of trouble and he had good enough aim with his blaster to kill me several times in my Scout Mk.0. Perhaps I should have stuck with the Scout Ak.0 and its swarms. Hey next time you try to drop 3 remote of the F/45 Remote Explosive before you start to knife and see what happens, pop them once he starts to run! Doesn't that prove my point that knives are not much to worry about for tank drivers? Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2016.02.02 03:38:00 - [58] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Hey next time you try to drop 3 remote of the F/45 Remote Explosive before you start to knife and see what happens, pop them once he starts to run! What percentage of HAV operators do you think would sit still long enough for that? Dropsuit Usage Rates
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.02.02 20:48:00 - [59] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Justice Darling wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Ok here we go. Just today I got done playing a match in Domination on the following map: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/64656/1/LineHarvest_domination.jpg My team came from the South while the enemy came from the North. At first, the enemy captured the objective but we managed to push them out and hack it for ourselves. But after the objective flips, blaster-fitted Gallente HAV with armor modules comes in from the enemy side becomes a nascence. It was sticking to an area located within Grids D9, E9, and F9. Because of this tank, we lost control of the objective. So I decided to pull out my AV dropsuit which is an Scout Ak.0 with Wyrkomi Swarms, Flaylock pistol, and advanced AV grenades. Using the cloak, I flanked to get behind the tank and surprised it with 3 swarm salvos. As it took damage, the driver backed out from Grid F9 and headed North into its redline as it drove backwards. I kept up the pressure with AV grenades and flaylocks and forced it deeper into its redline. I nearly killed it with another 3 salvos of the swarms, but I got killed by the redline before I got a chance. So I decided it was time to bring out my knife suit which I call the "Tank Killer". This is basically a Scout Mk.0 with Nothi's Nova Knives stacked with damage mods, kin kats, and a cloak. Nothing more. No extra weapon. No extra equipment. I flanked the HAV once again and aimed straight for the rear section of the tank where the 240% damage bonus would be applied if I managed to hit it. The shields went down in the first hit and then I started digging into its armor. But the armor mods kicked in. Even if I was able to apply some damage, I wasn't able to apply it fast enough. The HAV driver backed out which caused the collision mechanic to push me to the side and out of the rear. I was chasing it, once again and with greater speed, but the HAV was just too fast. I was forced to cloak up and flee as it was firing its blaster at me. I tried again as the tank came back from its redline again and just kept attacking it. No surprise, it backed out into its redline but this time it manages to kill me as it retreated. At this point I realized that the HAV was just not going to be easy to kill. In fact, my success rate throughout the match was ZERO PERCENT when using the "Tank Killer" fit. My Scout Ak.0 with Wyrkomi Swarm Launchers gave me better results than the "Tank Killer" Scout Mk.0. Remember that I was using NOTHI'S Nova Knives. The most powerful sidearm in the game on a dropsuit that boosts its power while using it on a section of the HAV where it is most vulnerable and even then I was failing to kill the HAV. Every. Single. Time. The HAV driver was smart. He kept moving at the first sign of trouble and he had good enough aim with his blaster to kill me several times in my Scout Mk.0. Perhaps I should have stuck with the Scout Ak.0 and its swarms. Hey next time you try to drop 3 remote of the F/45 Remote Explosive before you start to knife and see what happens, pop them once he starts to run! Doesn't that prove my point that knives are not much to worry about for tank drivers? They're not that's the point. So why did Rattati even bother to make them AV weapons..... they're don't achieve what an anti vehicle weapon needs to achieve. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2	Posted - 2016.02.02 21:10:00 - [60] - Quote For flavour and fun.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.02.02 21:46:00 - [61] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: For flavour and fun. Depends. To you it might be. To me it's nothing more than an immersion breaking mechanic that doesn't make sense. You don't design an MBT to be damaged by small arms fire let alone knives. "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 14	Posted - 2016.02.02 22:20:00 - [62] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: For flavour and fun. Depends. To you it might be. To me it's nothing more than an immersion breaking mechanic that doesn't make sense. You don't design an MBT to be damaged by small arms fire let alone knives. You yourself have complained how un tank like Dust tanks are. Lets face it, this was a band aid for V/AV balance. It seems silly to point out the immersion breaking knife and gun damage without pointing out the immersion breaking uber tanks that have ridiculous excelleration among other things. I couldn't care less if I couldn't stab a tank if they could balance things, but we are well beyond the point of such massive undertaking that it is trivial to allow oneself to be bothered by one while accepting the other. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.


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