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Posted - 2016.01.25 00:19:00 -
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Apoleon II wrote:They are fckng nova knives! And they must run towards you to kill vehicle, so it is okay
It's not about how difficult it is for them to get to you. The issue that you are facing is one of suspension of disbelief and in Dust you have to consider that the vehicles you are targeting will have significantly thicker armour than any modern vehicle to the point where a 30cm long knife couldn't even penetrate it let alone hit a vital area.
As we have said in other threads it would not be a problem if there was an animation that used the knife to shear open a hatch to toss a grenade in or cut away a segment of armour to allow AV to deal more damage..... but your Nova Knife is the equivalent of running up to a Challenger II with ERA and a 'Streetfighter Kit' and attacking its treads with a butter knife.
TL;DR- It's stupid as ****.
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Posted - 2016.01.25 00:20:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:Hmm. Didn't realize the blood raiders lav had such a low horsepower engine.
Just run him the fcking hell over.
Or outrun him.
You have a turret,shoot him with that?
I mean come on,now we're whining about nova knives vs vehicles? I swear to lord metapod,the complaining level here in these forums is too damn high!
For peters fcking sake!
Do you realize that:
1.you have to be within 2m to shank
2.have skillpoints in nova knives
3.charge and slash with the damn things
4.not fcking miss
5.spend a few million skill points on a scout Mk.0 and proto knives and the neccesary modules to shank your little tin car?
Somehow its unfair that a pair of knives that cost isk can hurt your little bpo car?
Maybe vs a tank it seems weird but Anti-vehicle is so unbalanced already. Not to mention madrugar gv.0s with damn near invincible dual hardeners rolling around farming infantry?
Please,save you complaints for when the av and hav of doom are properly balanced.
Again it's not whining. Nobody in an HAV has actually ever been knifed to death unless it was staged.... seriously. It's just a mechanic that is poorly represented and never should have been introduced.
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Posted - 2016.01.26 00:21:00 -
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Fine I'll quantify that with no one worth a damn in a tank has every actually been Nova Knifed to death.
There is a mechanic I could tolerate for how Nova Knives do damage to HAV and that is if they fired their blade like a Ballistic Knife. A KEP with a thermally ignited plasma blade fired using a compressed gravity mechanism theoretically could punch through tank armour and drag in super heated air to damage internal systems.
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Posted - 2016.01.27 20:46:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Justice Darling wrote:Mahal Daj wrote:Justice Darling wrote:I thought I had seen everything in this game tell I was just in my blood raiders LAV in my last match and watched my armor and shields disappear with 3 hits of a nova knife WTF the effectiveness of a knife on a car/LAV should only be 1% as it is the lowest you can get for a weapon! It was probably me :) well I'm not mad or anything at the person, that being said, the lore on nova knifes is ret ard ed and really out side of the scope of reality, I'm not sure at this point what the effectiveness is on this weapon vrs vehicles but I'll make some suite and find out, guess i know where my next mil sp are going! It makes perfect sense from a lore perspective as the knives are sheathed in plasma, making it a sort of bladed Plasma Cannon.As for where your next 1m SP is going, my guess is nowhere or down the drain because if you think you'll be able to use NKs to hit vehicles with any regularity, you're delusional.
That's debatable really considering how the Plasma Cannon Operates.
"The dense plasma discharge it generates is highly unstable, decaying rapidly and venting sufficient heat and energy to severely damage targets caught within its critical emission radius.
During the short pre-fire charge, ultracold plasma is prepared and then heated inside a magneto-core trap. Just prior to discharge, a small precursor projectile is fired that produces (and is ultimately consumed by) a short-lived tail that helps guide and contain the volatile discharge is it travels towards its target."
From this I think it it relatively fair to assume that this weapon fires a single dense yet plasma charge that functions in its AV role due to the rapid manner by which it expends the massive energy contained against the hull of a tank.
However the Nova Knife is just a standard knife with a super heated edge. It has no explosive charge or capacity for energy discharge to damage internal systems as most modern anti tank weapons are designed to penetrate the armour and kill the crew with the exception of HESH rounds.
The blade is between 30-45cm long considering (mercenary size) yet they are used to target a vehicle designed for a similarly large super soldier equipped with shield and armour technologies that go beyond ERA, RHA, FHA, and Chobham armour packages. Nova Knives are inefficient for killing crew or damaging critical systems even if they can penetrate the armour though probably fail to inflict any meaningful damage as dragging a blade through armour that is constantly pumping repair nanintes into the affected area.
As I say..... it's not a matter of me disliking Nova Knives or not wanting another AV form. It's that this mechanic is superfluous, down right ridiculously portrayed, and beyond my ability to suspend my disbelief.
Perhaps 110% Nova Knife damage when attacking a Tanks rear radiator as I can believe that damage would have a significant affect on the tank but never on frontal, sides, or top armour.
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Posted - 2016.01.28 01:22:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:They are blades wreathed in plasma. It's very common in scifi for energy swords to easily cut through armour, or just about anything.
See WH40k (most similar), Star Wars, Evangelion, StarCraft etc.
That said HAV's are designed to withstand multiple hits from high density plasma charges and 80GJ Ion Cannon Rounds.....
Do you honestly believe you can put your knives on par with either weapon considering that your knives don't draw an external consumable power source?
Sure your knives are 'spr hi-tek' so's my damn tanks armour.
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Posted - 2016.01.28 03:00:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:True Adamance wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Hmm. Didn't realize the blood raiders lav had such a low horsepower engine.
Just run him the fcking hell over.
Or outrun him.
You have a turret,shoot him with that?
I mean come on,now we're whining about nova knives vs vehicles? I swear to lord metapod,the complaining level here in these forums is too damn high!
For peters fcking sake!
Do you realize that:
1.you have to be within 2m to shank
2.have skillpoints in nova knives
3.charge and slash with the damn things
4.not fcking miss
5.spend a few million skill points on a scout Mk.0 and proto knives and the neccesary modules to shank your little tin car?
Somehow its unfair that a pair of knives that cost isk can hurt your little bpo car?
Maybe vs a tank it seems weird but Anti-vehicle is so unbalanced already. Not to mention madrugar gv.0s with damn near invincible dual hardeners rolling around farming infantry?
Please,save you complaints for when the av and hav of doom are properly balanced. Again it's not whining. Nobody in an HAV has actually ever been knifed to death unless it was staged.... seriously. It's just a mechanic that is poorly represented and never should have been introduced. To some extent I agree and I think I can blame the previous dev leadership on that. An animation as you pointed out would have helped but that's too late now. Let's just hope #PortDust514 gives us a chance to address that. And for the record, I have recently killed tanks with nova knives. But as I said earlier, those were because the drivers were likely incompetent. So far, skilled drivers escape me easily (with and without killing me in the process). Wait, the state of Pilots is in such poor state that such idiots are rampant?
Yes. I **** you not it's a too common to be just newbies but common idiot that inhabits this game are fitting ******* Shield Hardeners to armour tanks.
Hell the day before that I drove circles around a Soma and Gv.0 ina Cv.0 with less and 1000 Shield before my hardeners kicked in a still destroyed both HAV.
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Posted - 2016.01.28 19:31:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Oh, let's not get started on fictional physics in a video game here. Have you looked at Eve Online? An entire station can be right between you and your target and the station won't be able to block a single shot. Planets don't orbit at all and thus are fixed onto the same location every day. Spaceships move like submarines do underwater in the vacuum of space. And don't get me started on bumping. And that's just on Dust 514. Wait until we start talking about Halo.
It's not so much about physics as it is trying to get people of understand modern tank technologies as well as how weapons penetrate tank armour or how they fail to penetrate the armour.
I feel it's entirely reasonable to assume that the armour thickness of a cloned soldiers tank is sufficient to render short bladed weapons like Nova Knives completely ineffective plasma edged, blade or no, where are a fast moving dense plasma projectile discharging thermal energy across the surface of whatever it impacts with certainly would have the capacity to deal damage to armoured vehicles in the same way a HESH round might.
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Posted - 2016.01.31 21:02:00 -
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Radiant Pancake3 wrote:You know what's even worst... lele...
Last hotfix... You were suppose to be able to fist tanks to deal with melee...
Hehe...
I'm goddamn Glad Rattati didn't introduce that sort of nonsense. I mean who in their right mind develops a tank for soldiers who can punch through the hull with nothing more than a few roids and a light weight metal skeleton.
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Posted - 2016.02.02 20:48:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Justice Darling wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Ok here we go. Just today I got done playing a match in Domination on the following map: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/newssystem/media/64656/1/LineHarvest_domination.jpgMy team came from the South while the enemy came from the North. At first, the enemy captured the objective but we managed to push them out and hack it for ourselves. But after the objective flips, blaster-fitted Gallente HAV with armor modules comes in from the enemy side becomes a nascence. It was sticking to an area located within Grids D9, E9, and F9. Because of this tank, we lost control of the objective. So I decided to pull out my AV dropsuit which is an Scout Ak.0 with Wyrkomi Swarms, Flaylock pistol, and advanced AV grenades. Using the cloak, I flanked to get behind the tank and surprised it with 3 swarm salvos. As it took damage, the driver backed out from Grid F9 and headed North into its redline as it drove backwards. I kept up the pressure with AV grenades and flaylocks and forced it deeper into its redline. I nearly killed it with another 3 salvos of the swarms, but I got killed by the redline before I got a chance. So I decided it was time to bring out my knife suit which I call the "Tank Killer". This is basically a Scout Mk.0 with Nothi's Nova Knives stacked with damage mods, kin kats, and a cloak. Nothing more. No extra weapon. No extra equipment. I flanked the HAV once again and aimed straight for the rear section of the tank where the 240% damage bonus would be applied if I managed to hit it. The shields went down in the first hit and then I started digging into its armor. But the armor mods kicked in. Even if I was able to apply some damage, I wasn't able to apply it fast enough. The HAV driver backed out which caused the collision mechanic to push me to the side and out of the rear. I was chasing it, once again and with greater speed, but the HAV was just too fast. I was forced to cloak up and flee as it was firing its blaster at me. I tried again as the tank came back from its redline again and just kept attacking it. No surprise, it backed out into its redline but this time it manages to kill me as it retreated. At this point I realized that the HAV was just not going to be easy to kill. In fact, my success rate throughout the match was ZERO PERCENT when using the "Tank Killer" fit. My Scout Ak.0 with Wyrkomi Swarm Launchers gave me better results than the "Tank Killer" Scout Mk.0. Remember that I was using NOTHI'S Nova Knives. The most powerful sidearm in the game on a dropsuit that boosts its power while using it on a section of the HAV where it is most vulnerable and even then I was failing to kill the HAV. Every. Single. Time. The HAV driver was smart. He kept moving at the first sign of trouble and he had good enough aim with his blaster to kill me several times in my Scout Mk.0. Perhaps I should have stuck with the Scout Ak.0 and its swarms. Hey next time you try to drop 3 remote of the F/45 Remote Explosive before you start to knife and see what happens, pop them once he starts to run! Doesn't that prove my point that knives are not much to worry about for tank drivers? 
They're not that's the point. So why did Rattati even bother to make them AV weapons..... they're don't achieve what an anti vehicle weapon needs to achieve.
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Posted - 2016.02.02 21:46:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:For flavour and fun.
Depends.
To you it might be. To me it's nothing more than an immersion breaking mechanic that doesn't make sense.
You don't design an MBT to be damaged by small arms fire let alone knives.
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- Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel
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