I am the dude that will kill a heavy run away wait for that heavies logi to pick them up run back and then kill the heavy again and the logi cloning them both 3 for the price of 2 clones.

Now thats using your IQ...

As for my age i am 115 years old and thats going by dust lifetime SP. lel.

I agree with your EvE logic of holding the pod, but this ain't eggo wars m8

Maybe,but you MUST do a teabag

I find, at the current, that it is largely useless to terminate a lone wolf clone in Pubs.
However, I still do it a lot of the time, especially in PC or FW, because needles are more common then.

Why exactly do I 'clone' them?
Well, in FW and PC, they are likely going to be in a squad, which means they will likely have a logi and more guns.
They call for help and that could mean more guns aiming at you.

They get sent back faster, and lose a clone. - This helps work to cloning their them. They die and die.

In some instances, the players will come back for revenge. It is possible to use this to your advantage and kill them again.

It's irritating - Throws them off their game just a bit, especially if you killed them with a weapon like a locus, or NKs.

I seriously have felt as if I was one of the few who cloned downed players.

Brings down clone count fast, and you can respawn while incapacitated. Are we done here, because this post is sounds like its to appeal to people that have low IQ or are children.

You gain additional payout from finishing off a clone. This is a fact.

1. Payout is determined by how much you deatroy. The more stuff i terminate, the more money I make.

2. Terminating suits is a psychological trick: people get angry when omeone takes the time to terminate their clone. They start getting sloppy. And maybe, if they lose enough, they'll just give up. Works especially well on anyone running proto.

Yes, exactly. It's a habit. And I believe it's pointless, because they will "recover" anyway, when they respawn. You've won your points, if you just leave them there hoping to be revived, you've kept them out of the battle that little big longer.

Points taken. Some of this seems somewhat vindictive and not necessarily of much benefit in the current battle, but it sounds reasonable. I personally still think this is very over-the-top, particularly for pubs, unless you're a stomper. For FW and PC, yes, this makes sense.

Conclusion:
OP has a moral disagreement with termination and thinks that those who do it are unintelligent and/or children.

Seriously, it doesn't automatically pronounce someone stupid if they do something that you don't agree with. Besides, habits are human nature, not symptoms of unintelligence. In this thread, facts have been posted several times proving the usefulness of terminating. The only downside to it would be if it distracts you from a live enemy (unlikely), or in your case, you find it disrespectful.

My point: It's okay to have a stance on something, but it causes unease and derailments when you make negative generalizations about poeple you don't know.

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I've wondered about the IQ of most Dust players. Or perhaps their age...

Does anyone else find the practice of "finishing off" a clone to be pointless and stupid?

We have a practice in EvE called "podding", where a second kill is made, first of the ship, then of the capsule (pod) itself, forcing the pilot back to his medical clone. In ProviBloc, we actually don't do this. It has become expected so that in fleet fights, the opponents just come back into battle as soon as they can hop into another ship and warp/jump back in. But if you don't pod them, they sit there, waiting (they can't move because they're warp scrambled). And waiting. And waiting. Eventually, they get the message - they're not gonna get podded, and they'll have to self-destruct. That effectively takes them out of the action until they figure out they need to do something.

In Dust we have something similar. Granted each side has limited clones, which is not the case in EvE but effectively, people in EvE are not going to just come back an unlimited number of times, because they will have limited numbers of ships. So, with Dust, we have the situation where a clone is "incapacitated" for a period of time when they just sit there calling for help, if there's any available, and then when that time is up, they respawn into another clone.

For the entirety of the time it takes for the clone to be resurrected or for it to expire, whichever comes first, that player is out of the battle. That means their side is down a player. If their clone is terminated, they get straight back in just as soon as they can respawn which is usually a lot quicker than waiting for assistance.

Players who finish off an opponent aren't gaining anything from the second "kill" - there's no increase in their score. All they are doing is sending that player back into battle ASAP. Perhaps that means to them that they will get more kills? Anyway, I've developed a distaste for such players, and consider them mental midgets. It's the sort of practice that reminds me of kids habitually doing something because everyone does.

I've also noticed that there are some players (me included) who habitually do NOT do this. Even though it delays my getting back into battle, if I choose to call for help, I'm actually kinda glad to find a player for whom this practice is not an automatic thing. It takes some players quite a lot of time and resources (ammo) to finish off another player. I sometimes wonder at the marksmanship of a player that can't hit a body lying still on the ground, or players that lob multiple grenades at you when a single shot would do.

All in all, I find the practice idiotic. I would love to hear any arguments from anyone that can see a purpose to this that actually makes sense in a battle-scenario manner.

No, I don't think EVERYONE who does it is unintelligent and/or children. I know there are some who do it because they have a reason to, have determined that's the best thing to do for whatever reason. I'm talking about the seeming majority that do it because they think it's "the thing to do". And yes, those I do believe are probably 12-14 year olds. It's mindless in their case. They're just doing it to vent some sort of ritualistic animalistic urge. Yes, I do find that disrespectful, but then what can I expect from kids?

I'm still to see any actual proof that there's any point score or ISK advantage in doing it. Granted that under certain circumstances, it's possible that it might give a time advantage to you or a time penalty to the downed player, but that's certainly not always the case, and works on the assumption that all players will always choose to respawn rather than wait for revival, which we simply know is not true.

I remain firmly convinced, actually by some of the arguments on this thread, that people are simply justifying doing what they want to do in the first place.

Keep in mind some players live by an "If it's red I shoots mentality" plenty of people don't think to shoot the logi instead of the heavy or the caldari when they're using a laser, some people literally just see red and shoot.

The point of killing them even when you have a high clone count on each side, is so this doesn't happen, you were stupid enough to not kill to them and now it is down to 10 versus 10 clones...

You would have just won instead.

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I've wondered about the IQ of most Dust players. Or perhaps their age...

Does anyone else find the practice of "finishing off" a clone to be pointless and stupid?

We have a practice in EvE called "podding", where a second kill is made, first of the ship, then of the capsule (pod) itself, forcing the pilot back to his medical clone. In ProviBloc, we actually don't do this. It has become expected so that in fleet fights, the opponents just come back into battle as soon as they can hop into another ship and warp/jump back in. But if you don't pod them, they sit there, waiting (they can't move because they're warp scrambled). And waiting. And waiting. Eventually, they get the message - they're not gonna get podded, and they'll have to self-destruct. That effectively takes them out of the action until they figure out they need to do something.

In Dust we have something similar. Granted each side has limited clones, which is not the case in EvE but effectively, people in EvE are not going to just come back an unlimited number of times, because they will have limited numbers of ships. So, with Dust, we have the situation where a clone is "incapacitated" for a period of time when they just sit there calling for help, if there's any available, and then when that time is up, they respawn into another clone.

For the entirety of the time it takes for the clone to be resurrected or for it to expire, whichever comes first, that player is out of the battle. That means their side is down a player. If their clone is terminated, they get straight back in just as soon as they can respawn which is usually a lot quicker than waiting for assistance.

Players who finish off an opponent aren't gaining anything from the second "kill" - there's no increase in their score. All they are doing is sending that player back into battle ASAP. Perhaps that means to them that they will get more kills? Anyway, I've developed a distaste for such players, and consider them mental midgets. It's the sort of practice that reminds me of kids habitually doing something because everyone does.

I've also noticed that there are some players (me included) who habitually do NOT do this. Even though it delays my getting back into battle, if I choose to call for help, I'm actually kinda glad to find a player for whom this practice is not an automatic thing. It takes some players quite a lot of time and resources (ammo) to finish off another player. I sometimes wonder at the marksmanship of a player that can't hit a body lying still on the ground, or players that lob multiple grenades at you when a single shot would do.

All in all, I find the practice idiotic. I would love to hear any arguments from anyone that can see a purpose to this that actually makes sense in a battle-scenario manner.

My point was that it's a practice that feels like it's being employed by people that have low IQ or are school kids, yes.

No, I don't think EVERYONE who does it is unintelligent and/or children. I know there are some who do it because they have a reason to, have determined that's the best thing to do for whatever reason. I'm talking about the seeming majority that do it because they think it's "the thing to do". And yes, those I do believe are probably 12-14 year olds. It's mindless in their case. They're just doing it to vent some sort of ritualistic animalistic urge. Yes, I do find that disrespectful, but then what can I expect from kids?

I'm still to see any actual proof that there's any point score or ISK advantage in doing it. Granted that under certain circumstances, it's possible that it might give a time advantage to you or a time penalty to the downed player, but that's certainly not always the case, and works on the assumption that all players will always choose to respawn rather than wait for revival, which we simply know is not true.

I remain firmly convinced, actually by some of the arguments on this thread, that people are simply justifying doing what they want to do in the first place.

Moved from another thread:


I've wondered about the IQ of most Dust players. Or perhaps their age...

Does anyone else find the practice of "finishing off" a clone to be pointless and stupid?

We have a practice in EvE called "podding", where a second kill is made, first of the ship, then of the capsule (pod) itself, forcing the pilot back to his medical clone. In ProviBloc, we actually don't do this. It has become expected so that in fleet fights, the opponents just come back into battle as soon as they can hop into another ship and warp/jump back in. But if you don't pod them, they sit there, waiting (they can't move because they're warp scrambled). And waiting. And waiting. Eventually, they get the message - they're not gonna get podded, and they'll have to self-destruct. That effectively takes them out of the action until they figure out they need to do something.

In Dust we have something similar. Granted each side has limited clones, which is not the case in EvE but effectively, people in EvE are not going to just come back an unlimited number of times, because they will have limited numbers of ships. So, with Dust, we have the situation where a clone is "incapacitated" for a period of time when they just sit there calling for help, if there's any available, and then when that time is up, they respawn into another clone.

For the entirety of the time it takes for the clone to be resurrected or for it to expire, whichever comes first, that player is out of the battle. That means their side is down a player. If their clone is terminated, they get straight back in just as soon as they can respawn which is usually a lot quicker than waiting for assistance.

Players who finish off an opponent aren't gaining anything from the second "kill" - there's no increase in their score. All they are doing is sending that player back into battle ASAP. Perhaps that means to them that they will get more kills? Anyway, I've developed a distaste for such players, and consider them mental midgets. It's the sort of practice that reminds me of kids habitually doing something because everyone does.

I've also noticed that there are some players (me included) who habitually do NOT do this. Even though it delays my getting back into battle, if I choose to call for help, I'm actually kinda glad to find a player for whom this practice is not an automatic thing. It takes some players quite a lot of time and resources (ammo) to finish off another player. I sometimes wonder at the marksmanship of a player that can't hit a body lying still on the ground, or players that lob multiple grenades at you when a single shot would do.

All in all, I find the practice idiotic. I would love to hear any arguments from anyone that can see a purpose to this that actually makes sense in a battle-scenario manner.

What? What makes it feel that way?

Now try running solo, killing off a few dudes with sweet fits or officer weapons only to forget to destroy their clone and a logi comes out of nowhere and revives all of them. It puts your hard work to waste in seconds.

No if I can I will always destroy the clone because [1] I want them to lose that equipment and resource [2] I don't want them being revived in that exact spot with the knowledge they have attained of my position.

In EVE the systems of combat and podding are totally different. For one that "pod" most likely has implants so why would you not want to destroy those implants? (Yes anyone with a brain will only run what they can afford to lose, or they are happy to risk big time implants). Secondly the time between respawning in dust and reshipping in EVE can be monstrously different.

Then you have to factor in travel times in EVE online and you do not have to do this for DUST.

It is indeed "the thing to do". It was stated several times that it increases their respawn time regardless of the situation or gamemode. That's advantageous to winning. Simple as that.

There are many gamers including myself who have a "completionist" playstyle. It's reflected by getting all the collectibles, searching every corner, and in the case of Dust, it's "completing" every kill I make. (Unless I'm busy fighting lots of reds and/or with logiwork) While I can't speak for others, I'm trying to convey that it's not always a childish "animalistic urge", it's a satisfying habit that in addition has tactical usefulness. If you take it that way, that's not their fault and it's simply not logical to profile people you don't know because of their actions in a video game.

I would like to go into a psychology/philosophy lesson on this, but I suppose I can't change your mind.

Does anyone else find the practice of "finishing off" a clone to be pointless and stupid?

LOL this thread.

People in this game make the dumbest mistakes and you are complaining about


From my experience, everybody has a different playstyle. Some may be better at others in certain situations so I try not to judge even if in the back of my mind I feel like they suck and are stupid. I try to push out my negative thoughts and humble myself. In all honesty, all the vets back then would always claim that pubs didn't matter. play how you want in pubs, nobody cares. I think the main reason is that you cannot control what your team does. It's a factor out of your control that can push games either way and the only thing you can do is your personal best. Stop complaining about other peoples faults and improve your own because that is the only thing you can do that will have any meaningful effect.

However all that would change in pc and everyone would get super competitive and the TEARS LOL.