Hence the average IQ of most redberries.

I was coming here expecting a Link to an IQ test but I came disappointed...

Clone count and needles. Look it up.


I.Q. Or age? For me it's the alcohol.

I never call for help since I'm usually the logi. I.just terminate and respawn because I have to baby a team of blueberry slayers.

I never terminate fallen clones unless its an explosive kill(install dead) or its officer they are wearing.

Most of the time they just choose to respawn anyway.

If you let them lay there, they can either respawn on the fastest link (3 seconds is the fastest) if available or wait for their revive timer to run out.

If you clone (ensure the body cant be revived) They are stuck with a 10 second spawn and loss of the clone.

Better just to finish them off.

Why are they stuck with a 10 second spawn? And even if it's 10 seconds how is it better to get them back into the match (on the other team) than to let them lay there waiting and then have to respawn anyway? What benefit is there to you or your team to finish them off? Do you get more points? Is there some bonus to you for getting the other team's player back into the match faster?

Please do elaborate. I still can't see how finishing off a clone benefits you or your team in any way.

I can think of a few strategic reasons to clone redberries out. Just a few of the top of my head.
1. Games that come down do clone count. ie. both teams have 10 clones left, cloning the enemy could mean victory over defeat.
2. If the downed enemy is in a squad, then their passive scans stay up until they bleed out.

all cases where finishing clones off is done-
explosives obviously
headshots for snipers or heavy vs heavy or people standing still
in pc to help prevent spawning speed in general, a grenade allows you to chuck and forget
in pubs when you kill someone near their cru or hidden uplink or obj to give time for removal of spawn point
when you've seen redberries use needles
when you're in a meat grinder and they have logis
when you killed an officer or exp gear scrubby
when ya just wanna unload your entire magazine into ****** deads body like youre the bear jew.
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h1tlers censored because ccp are lizard people.

in pc to help prevent spawning speed in general, a grenade allows you to chuck and forget

when ya just wanna unload your entire magazine into ****** deads body like youre the bear jew.

I terminate clones as a matter of habit. I don't like people recovering behind me.

You come in here talking about IQ but don't understand why it's smart to terminate clones.
Ever lose a battle by just a few clones? Had you terminated some clones you might have won.
If you really want to understand the importance of terminating clones go play some pc where every clone counts.

I do it because I like it, if you are talking about IQ or age....... Wtf. Maybe sir you should turn off your ps3 an search the cure of the cancer, I can't type more, I'm in battle, so, excuse me

I do it because I like it

"What? Someone's living their life differently than me? Better question their intelligence before anything else."

Provi bloc!?!
https://youtu.be/m6lJGddizTQ
Well from a fellow bloccer

This technique is used by those clone count sensitive. Every clone matters. Your position is about to get overrun you don't want that -1 become a +1. That loss in isk efficiency is also negated over one needle spike.

Killing a clone is also one less data point to the other side they see the needle indication not you, that body is broadcasted regardless of comms that enables the enemy to know that you are within 50 meters regardless on how dampened you are.

Tl;Dr
Term your clones.

Well from a fellow bloccer

If you terminate a clone you actually force them to take a longer spawn time. Therefore taking them out of battle longer.

Also

If the clone isnt terminated it will still provide passive scans. This is especially dangerous because the inner scan ring of suits can get strong enough to pick up scouts.

One unterminated Logi with precision can still light up key areas and essentially turn into alert beacons for scouts that run by them.

That would totally be legit, except for the fact that most players - including myself - simply spam circle and don't bother waiting for a revive.

You know.... You can spawn while your clone is dying, once you spawn in though it terminates the clone..

Absolutely not

Always double tap if possible

Destroys the clone and cannot be revived

aaaaaannd killing the clone does do something else......it is very subtle and I'm not going to tell you what it is......

When i play as a logi dropping uplink and hives then see a dying teammate i drop repair hives at them not injecting needles. Sometimes i mistakenly throw grenades aat them. It was a mistake i assurre you.
Promise. Scouts honor and all that.

When you terminate someones clone, the respawn timers don't auto-countdown. As long as their clone is alive, the spawns keep counting down to 3 seconds (if they start at a base of 10 seconds). As said above it also ensures 1 clone is lost immediately from the clone count, prevents them from being revives, but it also ensures that any ISK value of that suit is lost.

1. Officer Suits/Weapon wielding suits - Terminating clones ensures that equipment is lost, and cannot be recovered via logi needle. Officer Equipped suits are always terminated regardless of likelihood of needles nearby.

2. Sentinels (and heavies in general) - Fewer things in this game are as frightening to a support troop as an amarr sentinel standing back up at 100% HP.

3. PRO Logistics Suits - Ensure the greatest ISK damage done to the enemy team. Almost always carry high tier uplinks as well

4. Assaults/Scouts - Very dangerous if picked back up

5. All other suits

Also, I will terminate clones as a follow up to breaching into a meat-grinder (with a flux grenade) to ensure there is no chance of any of the above getting resurrected by logis that spawn in or haven't been eliminated yet.

I have found that more often than not when I'm running a punching commando, suits are terminated by my fist anyway, so there is rarely any need to stop.

When Sniping, Terminating Sentinels and Caldari Assault Suits takes priority over killing living assault suits (but is below killing logis and other snipers), to give my advancing teammates optimal chances and maximize my rifle's effectiveness.

The sooner they respawn, the sooner you can kill them again, which means:

- Better KD (for those that care)
- Higher isk payout at the end of battle (terminating a lot of proto suits gets you a lot more isk, if they aren't proto, who cares it's more isk)
- Eliminates any chance they had at getting picked back up.

There are more positives than negatives tbh.

Higher isk payout at the end of battle (terminating a lot of proto suits gets you a lot more isk, if they aren't proto, who cares it's more isk)

The only time it's useful is when you are aiming to take a CRU, and you just killed the guy who's onto your antics. By double tapping him, you have 10 seconds to hack the CRU. If you don't double tap, he'll respawn and shoot you in the back before you even get half way.

When a CRU is not involved, I see it as simply adding insult to injury.

For me this is situational.

If I kill a random on the fringes. He lays there dead.

Heavy logi team. If I drop the heavy I go for logi. It's very rare to see 80% or better needles, so a revived heavy is an easy kill. Killing the logi I will finish with a flux, any old blue could have a dirty needle for him.

Randoms, hardly ever. (Unless you were a pain...)

Jumpers. Every time. Full mag.

Officer/exp/pro. Of course. In the end that's the true spirit of our game.

Jumpers. Every time. Full mag.

Allow me
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But when someone terminates your clone, THE RESPAWN TIMER DOESN'T COUNT DOWN UNTIL YOU SELECT A SPAWN.
Don't take my word for it, go start a domination/skirmish map, intentionally fall to your death from the MCC. Observe the spawn times. Now overcook a grenade or sit on top of a RE. Observe the longer spawn times.

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Terminating the clone of someone defending a point can decide whether you'll successfully hack it, or if you'll get shotgunned by the same guy.
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When you terminate a clone with an explosive weapon or by shooting their corpse, you are potentially wasting enormous amounts of their time in the match... kind of like your Alliance's tactic in EVE. You were keeping people out of battle for longer by letting their pod live. But this isn't EVE, and you tried to apply that tactic without correctly adapting it to suit the game. Here, you're slowing down their respawn by terminating them.
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Not that you should ALWAYS terminate every chance you get, not every tactic is one-size-fits-all. As you know, keeping your sights on someone you expect to call for a revive can get you a bonus kill on them and maybe the logi too.
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This is a game mechanic that has been around as far as I know since the beginning, though I've only noticed it since the patch that significantly nerfed spawn times on uplinks. WHY it works this way? I couldn't tell you. I didn't design the damn game. But that's the way it is. Something you should have noticed, asked about, or been told about before now. Definitely before making a thread about "the IQ or age of dust players" implying everyone else acting on information you don't know about to be some low IQ children unworthy of playing the same game as you.
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Which doesn't reflect very well on your own maturity btw
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TL:DR
All spawn timers count down while bleeding out allowing you to get back to battle faster if you choose not to be revived, they don't while you're terminated and you must wait the full 10 seconds every time, you should therefore terminate your enemy if the situation allows and you don't want to be shot in the back by them too soon

I am the dude that will kill a heavy run away wait for that heavies logi to pick them up run back and then kill the heavy again and the logi cloning them both 3 for the price of 2 clones.

Now thats using your IQ...

As for my age i am 115 years old and thats going by dust lifetime SP. lel.

I agree with your EvE logic of holding the pod, but this ain't eggo wars m8

Maybe,but you MUST do a teabag

I find, at the current, that it is largely useless to terminate a lone wolf clone in Pubs.
However, I still do it a lot of the time, especially in PC or FW, because needles are more common then.

Why exactly do I 'clone' them?
Well, in FW and PC, they are likely going to be in a squad, which means they will likely have a logi and more guns.
They call for help and that could mean more guns aiming at you.

They get sent back faster, and lose a clone. - This helps work to cloning their them. They die and die.

In some instances, the players will come back for revenge. It is possible to use this to your advantage and kill them again.

It's irritating - Throws them off their game just a bit, especially if you killed them with a weapon like a locus, or NKs.

I seriously have felt as if I was one of the few who cloned downed players.

Brings down clone count fast, and you can respawn while incapacitated. Are we done here, because this post is sounds like its to appeal to people that have low IQ or are children.

You gain additional payout from finishing off a clone. This is a fact.

1. Payout is determined by how much you deatroy. The more stuff i terminate, the more money I make.

2. Terminating suits is a psychological trick: people get angry when omeone takes the time to terminate their clone. They start getting sloppy. And maybe, if they lose enough, they'll just give up. Works especially well on anyone running proto.

Conclusion:
OP has a moral disagreement with termination and thinks that those who do it are unintelligent and/or children.

Seriously, it doesn't automatically pronounce someone stupid if they do something that you don't agree with. Besides, habits are human nature, not symptoms of unintelligence. In this thread, facts have been posted several times proving the usefulness of terminating. The only downside to it would be if it distracts you from a live enemy (unlikely), or in your case, you find it disrespectful.

My point: It's okay to have a stance on something, but it causes unease and derailments when you make negative generalizations about poeple you don't know.

Keep in mind some players live by an "If it's red I shoots mentality" plenty of people don't think to shoot the logi instead of the heavy or the caldari when they're using a laser, some people literally just see red and shoot.

The point of killing them even when you have a high clone count on each side, is so this doesn't happen, you were stupid enough to not kill to them and now it is down to 10 versus 10 clones...

You would have just won instead.

What? What makes it feel that way?

Now try running solo, killing off a few dudes with sweet fits or officer weapons only to forget to destroy their clone and a logi comes out of nowhere and revives all of them. It puts your hard work to waste in seconds.

No if I can I will always destroy the clone because [1] I want them to lose that equipment and resource [2] I don't want them being revived in that exact spot with the knowledge they have attained of my position.

In EVE the systems of combat and podding are totally different. For one that "pod" most likely has implants so why would you not want to destroy those implants? (Yes anyone with a brain will only run what they can afford to lose, or they are happy to risk big time implants). Secondly the time between respawning in dust and reshipping in EVE can be monstrously different.

Then you have to factor in travel times in EVE online and you do not have to do this for DUST.

It is indeed "the thing to do". It was stated several times that it increases their respawn time regardless of the situation or gamemode. That's advantageous to winning. Simple as that.

There are many gamers including myself who have a "completionist" playstyle. It's reflected by getting all the collectibles, searching every corner, and in the case of Dust, it's "completing" every kill I make. (Unless I'm busy fighting lots of reds and/or with logiwork) While I can't speak for others, I'm trying to convey that it's not always a childish "animalistic urge", it's a satisfying habit that in addition has tactical usefulness. If you take it that way, that's not their fault and it's simply not logical to profile people you don't know because of their actions in a video game.

I would like to go into a psychology/philosophy lesson on this, but I suppose I can't change your mind.