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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
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Posted - 2015.11.06 16:18:00 -
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Here we are again, waiting, withering.
People keep necromancing dev tagged posts to feel like they are active.
People howling and screaming, literally begging CCP for input. Look at the loader screen. Do you see anything about 'buy this today!' or a featured fit?
We are aware 1.2 is live... Somewhat...
At first I thought it was because 1.3 was coming. Then it went longer than two weeks.
Did we ever fix the MCC construction yard? Did the ama/min HAV reskin get approved? Power cores? That heavy scrambler Rat was testing?
CONTENT OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER?
Eve gate is beautiful, but we are below the mobile game even.
Old players getting fed up and leaving. Ps3's dying every week. New players being stomped out by people who have no pc's to play.
I'd like to think since Rattati chastised us for being toxic that we did get a LITTLE better...
But the silence speaks. The walls crumble. The troops begin to feast on each other. This is how the Romans felt.
Will there ever be more? Will we continue on ps3? Will we move to ps4? Is this the end of times?
We came in with a BANG. Must we leave with a whimper?
I know it's a little ranty, but also an honest inquisition. I'm far from the only person to feel this way right now. I love my friends, and my enemies. I love my devs.
I love Dust 514. o7
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Avallo Kantor
964
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Posted - 2015.11.06 16:24:00 -
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You know what I tend to notice?
They seem to have a very definitive pattern:
1) Lots of Dev Chatter and talking. Lots of it less serious / joking in nature, but also some focused on data insights, discussions, etc. This is bolstered by CPM involvement.
2) A Few threads (by CPM or CCP) talking about potential features / ideas.
3) Dev chatter dies down.
4) They release a Wallpaper of some DUST thing.
5) More silence (From both CCP / CPM)
6) Explosion of activity from everyone as they announce a new release / hotfix. They give about a week for feedback (or less) then before you know it the thing is released.
7) Repeat.
Right now we seem to be on step 5.
"Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati
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Unholy HateGore
highland marines
93
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Posted - 2015.11.06 16:35:00 -
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Devadander wrote:Here we are again, waiting, withering.
People keep necromancing dev tagged posts to feel like they are active.
People howling and screaming, literally begging CCP for input. Look at the loader screen. Do you see anything about 'buy this today!' or a featured fit?
We are aware 1.2 is live... Somewhat...
At first I thought it was because 1.3 was coming. Then it went longer than two weeks.
Did we ever fix the MCC construction yard? Did the ama/min HAV reskin get approved? Power cores? That heavy scrambler Rat was testing?
CONTENT OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER?
Eve gate is beautiful, but we are below the mobile game even.
Old players getting fed up and leaving. Ps3's dying every week. New players being stomped out by people who have no pc's to play.
I'd like to think since Rattati chastised us for being toxic that we did get a LITTLE better...
But the silence speaks. The walls crumble. The troops begin to feast on each other. This is how the Romans felt.
Will there ever be more? Will we continue on ps3? Will we move to ps4? Is this the end of times?
We came in with a BANG. Must we leave with a whimper?
I know it's a little ranty, but also an honest inquisition. I'm far from the only person to feel this way right now. I love my friends, and my enemies. I love my devs.
I love Dust 514. o7
Well I will be very scarce in 4 days when Fallout 4 hits Best Buy for my pre-order.
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Terry Webber
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
884
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Posted - 2015.11.06 16:58:00 -
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The waiting is killing me too. It would have been better for CCP to release some information of what they're working on and tell players that it might not make it into the game.
Inertial Booster Module
Vehicle Installation
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
974
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Posted - 2015.11.06 17:14:00 -
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There is a pattern, and we are on step five.
But like the rest of the pattern, the timeframe is predictable.
We're on like week five of normally a two-three week cycle. If they are cooking something up, it better be huge. A game changer.
And tbqh, idc about another hotfix. I want content or death.
Look at eve, we will never be balanced.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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god clone
FACK YOU .i..
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Posted - 2015.11.06 17:25:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:You know what I tend to notice?
They seem to have a very definitive pattern:
1) Lots of Dev Chatter and talking. Lots of it less serious / joking in nature, but also some focused on data insights, discussions, etc. This is bolstered by CPM involvement.
2) A Few threads (by CPM or CCP) talking about potential features / ideas.
3) Dev chatter dies down.
4) They release a Wallpaper of some DUST thing.
5) More silence (From both CCP / CPM)
6) Explosion of activity from everyone as they announce a new release / hotfix. They give about a week for feedback (or less) then before you know it the thing is released.
7) Repeat.
Right now we seem to be on step 5. I agree, but there's one that doesn't fit the pattern. The one that worries me the most. Even during the silences of the past, there was still new weekly featured promotions or some other cash grab. Now we're lucky if we get 1 new skin a month. There's literally nothing to spend money on. Its like ccp has given up on trying to make money which is really a sign of the end days approaching.... I fear the worst....
Something about something
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Worthless Target
Extra Padding
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Posted - 2015.11.06 17:25:00 -
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I'm just gonna put this out there. I predict that Dust 514 will remain as a ps3 exclusive title until Sony no longer provides support for the PS3. Once that happens, the Dust team and all their assets will be dissolved and then CCP can go back to focusing on their primary money making game. There isn't going to be a port of any kind, and valkyrie is our replacement because CCP realized that they should stick to what they know best, and that is spaceships. They haven't pulled the plug yet because they're still getting some money out of us. If they were actually going to keep Dust 514, then we would be included in things like fan fest, or other events that involves CCP's fan base. It's also apparent that any mention of us is an embarrassed mumble and they want to just sweep us under the rug and pretend that we don't exist while at the same time trying to not say it to our faces.
Embrace the stomp
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maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
1
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Posted - 2015.11.06 17:29:00 -
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Unholy HateGore wrote:Devadander wrote:Here we are again, waiting, withering.
People keep necromancing dev tagged posts to feel like they are active.
People howling and screaming, literally begging CCP for input. Look at the loader screen. Do you see anything about 'buy this today!' or a featured fit?
We are aware 1.2 is live... Somewhat...
At first I thought it was because 1.3 was coming. Then it went longer than two weeks.
Did we ever fix the MCC construction yard? Did the ama/min HAV reskin get approved? Power cores? That heavy scrambler Rat was testing?
CONTENT OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER?
Eve gate is beautiful, but we are below the mobile game even.
Old players getting fed up and leaving. Ps3's dying every week. New players being stomped out by people who have no pc's to play.
I'd like to think since Rattati chastised us for being toxic that we did get a LITTLE better...
But the silence speaks. The walls crumble. The troops begin to feast on each other. This is how the Romans felt.
Will there ever be more? Will we continue on ps3? Will we move to ps4? Is this the end of times?
We came in with a BANG. Must we leave with a whimper?
I know it's a little ranty, but also an honest inquisition. I'm far from the only person to feel this way right now. I love my friends, and my enemies. I love my devs.
I love Dust 514. o7 Well I will be very scarce in 4 days when Fallout 4 hits Best Buy for my pre-order.
Digital preorder baby!
Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
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GM Archduke
Game Masters C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.11.06 17:31:00 -
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Ahoy!
We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings
We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
974
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Posted - 2015.11.06 17:35:00 -
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They remade the eve site, and even though we are at the bottom.
We are still there.
Lights are still on.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
975
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Posted - 2015.11.06 17:39:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above.
Your quick arrival does indeed give me a glimmer of hope.
And I run a business so I understand internal policies.
But what a LOT of us need is simply something like:
"While we can't discuss internal direction, we can assure you. Dust is here for a good while longer."
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Chosokabe Ite
Shields Of The State
140
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Posted - 2015.11.06 17:53:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above.
Inconvenience? No. Saltiness, animosity, and resentment? Yes.
Don't get me wrong, we wouldn't want another Rogue Wedding and some things need to be kept secret. But this complete shutout that has been going on for a year and a half is like blasphemy to many who have been with the EVE universe for a long time like myself. We're not accustomed to this. Meanwhile, the details of EVE's next expansion is out there for all to see. |
Worthless Target
Extra Padding
58
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Posted - 2015.11.06 17:55:00 -
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Devadander wrote:They remade the eve site, and even though we are at the bottom.
We are still there.
Lights are still on. I see our own website hasn't been touched up. And archducke's post doesn't explain all of CCP's behaviors.
Embrace the stomp
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1913 DfLo
ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy
1
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Posted - 2015.11.06 18:25:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above.
o7 GM Archduke
LeGiT
SUinc Mission
514 Surplus
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.11.06 18:29:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above.
I like how they think that announcing something was the problem with the Rouge Wedding.
It certainly had nothing to do with saying they would be abandoning console after repeatedly saying they were laser focused on the PS3 and everything had a 10 year road map.
There is a difference between speaking and doing a complete double back on everything that was said to get people to stick around.
I suppose learning from the past is not all it is cracked up to be when you learn the totally wrong lesson.
Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
975
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Posted - 2015.11.06 18:37:00 -
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It's a paradox.
Dust doesn't grow without profit.
We can't tell if it's growing or dying.
I can't spend money on a game that dies next week.
40 goto 10
Run
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Avallo Kantor
965
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Posted - 2015.11.06 18:53:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. I like how they think that announcing something was the problem with the Rouge Wedding. It certainly had nothing to do with saying they would be abandoning console after repeatedly saying they were laser focused on the PS3 and everything had a 10 year road map. There is a difference between speaking and doing a complete double back on everything that was said to get people to stick around. I suppose learning from the past is not all it is cracked up to be when you learn the totally wrong lesson.
To counterpoint,
The issue, if one is to believe CCP, is that incomplete announcement information is the issue. Speaking as a developer of software code is a tricky mistress and often times simple things takes weeks while more complex issues can be resolved with only a few clever lines of code. For any substantially complex piece of software (which games are a part of) it can be... difficult to give anything more than a week or two out of certainty on time tables. This doesn't mean such time tables do not exist, it is just that they can be... wrong.
Things once thought to take two weeks could easily take two months instead. Bugs can crop up that defy reason, and the combined efforts of several brilliant programmers can often weave gorgon knots that become a Lovecraftian Horror. This is to say nothing of those attempting such tasks with lesser skills.
Normally this is combed over by having releases set far apart. Why development on a game takes years. It hides and obfuscates this process from public eye. However once you announce something publicly it is set and stone, more or less, and by that point it better be ready.
Most things that get release dates either do so to 1) Over eager marketing, or 2) A team who is certain their current product is 'releasable' and only needs CR, Testing, and QA work. (Which in itself can take weeks to months to half a year depending on the scope of a project)
CCP, as far as I can tell, is developing the code for the next hotfix / patch right NOW. They are working toward an end goal and may have vague numbers of completion, but nothing close enough to be release ready. Because of this they can't promise anything simply by dint of not knowing how long the remaining effort will take themselves.
So they don't say anything. (Which in itself has proven to be a problem) They don't say anything because they can say nothing. Features may yet be cut in the interests of feasibility, and things may yet make it in. It's not a matter of being malicious or deceitful so much as it is one of not knowing what you can get done until you do it.
For CCP the rogue wedding was everything in that process going wrong. They showed something too early to be able to promise any actual release or progress on, and did so in the worst way possible. Their lack of details (hopefully due to lack of technical know how on it's feasibility) made it seem like our worst fears realized (potentially no character move over, progression that seemed more like a old school MMO class system, and a lack of current features)
Ultimately their lesson learned was to only say what they know they can do, and with their small team and what effort they can reliably put out, that often means only knowing they can do it once it is ready to go.
"Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
976
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Posted - 2015.11.06 19:13:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:deezy dabest wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. I like how they think that announcing something was the problem with the Rouge Wedding. It certainly had nothing to do with saying they would be abandoning console after repeatedly saying they were laser focused on the PS3 and everything had a 10 year road map. There is a difference between speaking and doing a complete double back on everything that was said to get people to stick around. I suppose learning from the past is not all it is cracked up to be when you learn the totally wrong lesson. To counterpoint, The issue, if one is to believe CCP, is that incomplete announcement information is the issue. Speaking as a developer of software code is a tricky mistress and often times simple things takes weeks while more complex issues can be resolved with only a few clever lines of code. For any substantially complex piece of software (which games are a part of) it can be... difficult to give anything more than a week or two out of certainty on time tables. This doesn't mean such time tables do not exist, it is just that they can be... wrong. Things once thought to take two weeks could easily take two months instead. Bugs can crop up that defy reason, and the combined efforts of several brilliant programmers can often weave gorgon knots that become a Lovecraftian Horror. This is to say nothing of those attempting such tasks with lesser skills. Normally this is combed over by having releases set far apart. Why development on a game takes years. It hides and obfuscates this process from public eye. However once you announce something publicly it is set and stone, more or less, and by that point it better be ready. Most things that get release dates either do so to 1) Over eager marketing, or 2) A team who is certain their current product is 'releasable' and only needs CR, Testing, and QA work. (Which in itself can take weeks to months to half a year depending on the scope of a project) CCP, as far as I can tell, is developing the code for the next hotfix / patch right NOW. They are working toward an end goal and may have vague numbers of completion, but nothing close enough to be release ready. Because of this they can't promise anything simply by dint of not knowing how long the remaining effort will take themselves. So they don't say anything. (Which in itself has proven to be a problem) They don't say anything because they can say nothing. Features may yet be cut in the interests of feasibility, and things may yet make it in. It's not a matter of being malicious or deceitful so much as it is one of not knowing what you can get done until you do it. For CCP the rogue wedding was everything in that process going wrong. They showed something too early to be able to promise any actual release or progress on, and did so in the worst way possible. Their lack of details (hopefully due to lack of technical know how on it's feasibility) made it seem like our worst fears realized (potentially no character move over, progression that seemed more like a old school MMO class system, and a lack of current features) Ultimately their lesson learned was to only say what they know they can do, and with their small team and what effort they can reliably put out, that often means only knowing they can do it once it is ready to go.
I like this, and understand fully both you and Duke.
However, a 'we can't say what, and we can't say when, but something awesome is in the stewpot!' post could literally double or daily playerbase.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.11.06 19:22:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above.
Is that how you guys look back on the Rouge wedding.. ??
"Oh, we bit off more than we could chew with that, the players freaked out, not doing it again"
The issues with the Rouge Wedding was the 360 no-scope headshot to the most promising thing about Dust514 (multi-platform) and pretty much a "Thanks for your money and support.. get a PC scrubs". This entire game is built off CCP's good intentions.. you should really start sharing them more.. At least then we know you are trying...
The whole, not talking til it's ready tactic is doing you no favours.
lol we play this game over the (false) promises made initially.. a few more couldn't hurt
SOONtm
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
2
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Posted - 2015.11.06 19:27:00 -
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Devadander wrote:Avallo Kantor wrote:deezy dabest wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. I like how they think that announcing something was the problem with the Rouge Wedding. It certainly had nothing to do with saying they would be abandoning console after repeatedly saying they were laser focused on the PS3 and everything had a 10 year road map. There is a difference between speaking and doing a complete double back on everything that was said to get people to stick around. I suppose learning from the past is not all it is cracked up to be when you learn the totally wrong lesson. To counterpoint, The issue, if one is to believe CCP, is that incomplete announcement information is the issue. Speaking as a developer of software code is a tricky mistress and often times simple things takes weeks while more complex issues can be resolved with only a few clever lines of code. For any substantially complex piece of software (which games are a part of) it can be... difficult to give anything more than a week or two out of certainty on time tables. This doesn't mean such time tables do not exist, it is just that they can be... wrong. Things once thought to take two weeks could easily take two months instead. Bugs can crop up that defy reason, and the combined efforts of several brilliant programmers can often weave gorgon knots that become a Lovecraftian Horror. This is to say nothing of those attempting such tasks with lesser skills. Normally this is combed over by having releases set far apart. Why development on a game takes years. It hides and obfuscates this process from public eye. However once you announce something publicly it is set and stone, more or less, and by that point it better be ready. Most things that get release dates either do so to 1) Over eager marketing, or 2) A team who is certain their current product is 'releasable' and only needs CR, Testing, and QA work. (Which in itself can take weeks to months to half a year depending on the scope of a project) CCP, as far as I can tell, is developing the code for the next hotfix / patch right NOW. They are working toward an end goal and may have vague numbers of completion, but nothing close enough to be release ready. Because of this they can't promise anything simply by dint of not knowing how long the remaining effort will take themselves. So they don't say anything. (Which in itself has proven to be a problem) They don't say anything because they can say nothing. Features may yet be cut in the interests of feasibility, and things may yet make it in. It's not a matter of being malicious or deceitful so much as it is one of not knowing what you can get done until you do it. For CCP the rogue wedding was everything in that process going wrong. They showed something too early to be able to promise any actual release or progress on, and did so in the worst way possible. Their lack of details (hopefully due to lack of technical know how on it's feasibility) made it seem like our worst fears realized (potentially no character move over, progression that seemed more like a old school MMO class system, and a lack of current features) Ultimately their lesson learned was to only say what they know they can do, and with their small team and what effort they can reliably put out, that often means only knowing they can do it once it is ready to go. I like this, and understand fully both you and Duke. However, a 'we can't say what, and we can't say when, but something awesome is in the stewpot!' post could literally double or daily playerbase. Edit: and re-open my wallet...
Thing is the last time there was a lack of communication except for "something awesome is coming," the Rogue Wedding happened and it killed a majority of the player base. I know in most cases, something is better than nothing, but because of what has happened in the past, nothing is better than something in terms of speaking about Dust's future.
In saying that, not knowing if Dust is going to be ported or if it will die out with the PS3 is more than a bit concerning.
Director of T-W-L
Keeper of the List
Lord of Scrubs
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.11.06 19:31:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. The outcry after FanFest 2014 was mainly caused by anticipation and speculations being bottled up for 7 months of silence, being released in a disastrous announcement that wasn't even complete. (Roundtable wasn't streamed, contrary to what Rouge was told initially)
There wouldn't be nearly the same negative reaction if there wasn't that long period of time of absolute silence.
And in case you can't see patterns here, silence is bad, mm'kay.
Ripley Riley:
> Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault:
> DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
2
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Posted - 2015.11.06 19:31:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:Unholy HateGore wrote:Devadander wrote:Here we are again, waiting, withering.
People keep necromancing dev tagged posts to feel like they are active.
People howling and screaming, literally begging CCP for input. Look at the loader screen. Do you see anything about 'buy this today!' or a featured fit?
We are aware 1.2 is live... Somewhat...
At first I thought it was because 1.3 was coming. Then it went longer than two weeks.
Did we ever fix the MCC construction yard? Did the ama/min HAV reskin get approved? Power cores? That heavy scrambler Rat was testing?
CONTENT OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER?
Eve gate is beautiful, but we are below the mobile game even.
Old players getting fed up and leaving. Ps3's dying every week. New players being stomped out by people who have no pc's to play.
I'd like to think since Rattati chastised us for being toxic that we did get a LITTLE better...
But the silence speaks. The walls crumble. The troops begin to feast on each other. This is how the Romans felt.
Will there ever be more? Will we continue on ps3? Will we move to ps4? Is this the end of times?
We came in with a BANG. Must we leave with a whimper?
I know it's a little ranty, but also an honest inquisition. I'm far from the only person to feel this way right now. I love my friends, and my enemies. I love my devs.
I love Dust 514. o7 Well I will be very scarce in 4 days when Fallout 4 hits Best Buy for my pre-order. Digital preorder baby!
Pipboy Edition baby! My mate bought it for me as an early Christmas Gift, will posts pics in the locker room so you may all bask in my awesomeness! see what it looks like.
Director of T-W-L
Keeper of the List
Lord of Scrubs
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.11.06 19:59:00 -
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Worthless Target wrote:I'm just gonna put this out there. I predict that Dust 514 will remain as a ps3 exclusive title until Sony no longer provides support for the PS3. Once that happens, the Dust team and all their assets will be dissolved and then CCP can go back to focusing on their primary money making game. There isn't going to be a port of any kind, and valkyrie is our replacement because CCP realized that they should stick to what they know best, and that is spaceships. They haven't pulled the plug yet because they're still getting some money out of us. If they were actually going to keep Dust 514, then we would be included in things like fan fest, or other events that involves CCP's fan base. It's also apparent that any mention of us is an embarrassed mumble and they want to just sweep us under the rug and pretend that we don't exist while at the same time trying to not say it to our faces. This was the summery that I gathered at the last fanfest that produced the mass departure of players .
Even the guy that summarized what happened and how he felt embarrassed conveyed the same feeling that you yourself just put into words so it can't be that far from the truth and that was what .?. last year or the year before ?
This is no coincidence , I just don't believe in those and I feel for every action there's a reaction .
So what's going to be the reaction of the community .?. will they keep allowing themselves to be a doormat ?
I know when fallout 4 drop , my playing time will as well and if like I said , no new development or improvement in the performance of the game arrives by Christmas , then I'm leaving too .
Nothing else to say .
Worthless Target , you are spot on and far from worthless .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.11.06 20:34:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above.
Still irks me that they call it the Rouge Wedding. Poor guy
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.06 20:37:00 -
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I can kind of see CCPs point of view.
I don't think they really understand why FF 14 and the way info was released caused problems, and they may not have enough confidence in their understanding to try to be more communicative. I also think that for people involved with Dust on CCPs end, FF 14 was as traumatic, if not much more traumatic, as it was for those of us who already had a lot of time and/or money invested in the game.
At this point the resources are too limited to have someone experienced with PR be able to exclusively handle that communication, so we are left with what we have.
I think many players need to have more understanding for CCPs perspective, and I hope that CCP has at least some empathy for ours.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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IR Scifi
OSG Planetary Operations
248
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Posted - 2015.11.06 21:07:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. Still irks me that they call it the Rouge Wedding. Poor guy
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415
661
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Posted - 2015.11.06 21:35:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. I would like to see more CCP Tags playing the game.Haven't seen a dev tag in over a year playing the game. |
Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
979
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Posted - 2015.11.06 21:53:00 -
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I'm not trying to be a pokey...
Just very passionate about dust.
It currently feels like, if they don't step up the game. It will fizzle soon.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy RUST415
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Posted - 2015.11.06 21:58:00 -
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Hurry up and make Dust for PC I'm getting bored waiting
Im just a glorified blueberry
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
979
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Posted - 2015.11.06 22:08:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Hurry up and make Dust for PC I'm getting bored waiting
We had a pc port announced.
It didn't go over well.......
I'm going to guess its ps4 or nothing.
Inb4 legion was not dust. Cauuuuse it kinda was o.O
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.11.06 22:56:00 -
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Devadander wrote:I'm not trying to be a pokey...
Just very passionate about dust.
It currently feels like, if they don't step up the game. It will fizzle soon.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Soon???
Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
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benandjerrys
Vader's-Fist The Empire of New Eden
938
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Posted - 2015.11.07 00:31:00 -
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Dear hillmar, PS home or whatever it was called had better PR than this. Screw your NDA. Give us our apocalypse. Earn my business back. I'll be laughing when your company tanks or gets bought out and is turned over. You are alienating Hispanic population and the U.S. population too just look at pvp hot times in EvE. Dust is a 10th of your population and it would of been more if you had npe. Good riddance.
Dear Rat/Arch, Get out while you can and put your talents somewhere useful.
Dear community, Say goodbye to mag 2.0 I'm looking forward to seeing you on the next immersive cult favorite.
ONE VOICE//ONE COMMUNITY
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JEDI LORD HOTH
75
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Posted - 2015.11.07 01:23:00 -
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Devs call us an ungrateful player base.
So now, the community is the Bad Guys for playing your bugged game!
Nice job on how NOT to run a company. .l..
"Kill all the smart ones first". - Mao Zedong
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Aeon Amadi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.07 01:35:00 -
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IR Scifi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. Still irks me that they call it the Rouge Wedding. Poor guy Right out wrong sometimes the best you're remembered for is as cautionary tale to others...
Or a scapegoat.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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D4GG3R
Opus Arcana
2
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Posted - 2015.11.07 01:40:00 -
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Neckbeards gonna neckbeard.
"Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs."
-Nega Matix
I watch anime for the boobs
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.11.07 01:42:00 -
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JEDI LORD HOTH wrote:Devs call us an ungrateful player base. So now, the community is the Bad Guys for playing your bugged game! Nice job on how NOT to run a company. .l..
That is normal thingie boyko, you know how many times i was banned? And i put money on their product (i mean 100+ bucks) XD
"Completion by direct action"
Forge syndicalist of Corrosive Synergy
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
2
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Posted - 2015.11.07 01:43:00 -
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D4GG3R wrote:Neckbeards gonna neckbeard.
What do you have against my neckbeard?!
Director of T-W-L
Keeper of the List
Lord of Scrubs
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GM Archduke
Game Masters C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.11.07 02:54:00 -
[38] - Quote
JEDI LORD HOTH wrote:Devs call us an ungrateful player base. So now, the community is the Bad Guys for playing your bugged game! Nice job on how NOT to run a company. .l..
I have never witnessed any DEV ever call the DUST 514 player-base ungrateful or the Bad Guys - of course I cannot truly know everything, so this doesn't necessarily mean anything either. Please link any such Forum posts here, or message me directly with the links, if this actually happened. Those DEVs might get some of that Archduke sass if this did actually happen.
Also, DEVs do NOT run the company.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.07 03:00:00 -
[39] - Quote
postapo wastelander wrote:JEDI LORD HOTH wrote:Devs call us an ungrateful player base. So now, the community is the Bad Guys for playing your bugged game! Nice job on how NOT to run a company. .l.. That is normal thingie boyko, you know how many times i was banned? And i put money on their product (i mean 100+ bucks) XD Maybe if you two would stop being such dingbats...
FFS, your behavior is the reason we get a bad reputation, and rightfully so.
There is a difference between constructive feedback, and complaining and whining like children. Paying money for the game does not entitle you to make consistent, unreasonable comments about the company.
Not only that, but if you would pull your head out of your ass for half a second, you would realize you get further by treating people with respect, and making reasonable inquiries instead of just plain bitching.
I am thankful they ban that kind of behavior, because frankly I get tired of reading it when I hope to see some good, or at least entertaining conversation.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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GM Archduke
Game Masters C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.11.07 03:10:00 -
[40] - Quote
Oh yeah, that's another thing I wanted to mention here - even if you're a paying customer, you still have to follow the rules. Certain things can get players banned from posting on our Forum, other things may result in being banned from our server. These are all detailed in our Forum Rules, EULA and the TOS.
In other news, I'm having trouble trying to sleep tonight.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
2
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Posted - 2015.11.07 03:19:00 -
[41] - Quote
GM Archduke wrote:Oh yeah, that's another thing I wanted to mention here - even if you're a paying customer, you still have to follow the rules. Certain things can get players banned from posting on our Forum, other things may result in being banned from our server. These are all detailed in our Forum Rules, EULA and the TOS. In other news, I'm having trouble trying to sleep tonight.
Don't worry my dear, I will be there to spoon you soon... with my HMG!
Director of T-W-L
Keeper of the List
Lord of Scrubs
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MrShooter01
Ustio Mercenary Squadron
1
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Posted - 2015.11.07 12:08:00 -
[42] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:IR Scifi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. Still irks me that they call it the Rouge Wedding. Poor guy Right out wrong sometimes the best you're remembered for is as cautionary tale to others... Or a scapegoat.
Maybe they should make a puppet dev account named CCP Scapegoat that exclusively makes announcements regarding the game
Then if we don't like the announcement they can say it was all 100% CCP Scapegoat's idea |
phucinfiniteisk
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2015.11.07 12:53:00 -
[43] - Quote
NPE is nill, ccp hates u |
phucinfiniteisk
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2015.11.07 12:56:00 -
[44] - Quote
CCP hates u, I infiniisk farmers
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phucinfiniteisk
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2015.11.07 12:58:00 -
[45] - Quote
Stop fuckin complaining ,infinite isk players. Im'a LEAVE BATTLE |
phucinfiniteisk
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2015.11.07 13:02:00 -
[46] - Quote
LMFAO, infiniteisk horrible little kids. No surprise CCP doesn't reply to ur be post |
phucinfiniteisk
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2015.11.07 13:04:00 -
[47] - Quote
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
89
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Posted - 2015.11.07 13:42:00 -
[48] - Quote
Worthless Target wrote:I'm just gonna put this out there. I predict that Dust 514 will remain as a ps3 exclusive title until Sony no longer provides support for the PS3. Once that happens, the Dust team and all their assets will be dissolved and then CCP can go back to focusing on their primary money making game. There isn't going to be a port of any kind, and valkyrie is our replacement because CCP realized that they should stick to what they know best, and that is spaceships. They haven't pulled the plug yet because they're still getting some money out of us. If they were actually going to keep Dust 514, then we would be included in things like fan fest, or other events that involves CCP's fan base. It's also apparent that any mention of us is an embarrassed mumble and they want to just sweep us under the rug and pretend that we don't exist while at the same time trying to not say it to our faces. Totally agree.
Honestly, I don't think Dust fits with the EvE universe. If you look at EvE Online, it's fluid, continuously variable, player-driven. Yes, there's PvE but it's infinitely variable depending on the player, the standings with the corp that's issuing the contract, etc, and then there's PvP which is amazingly flexible and exciting. No set maps, no set formats, just whatever the players concerned want to do. Fleets are amazing. Battles can last 2 minutes or 2 days. It's endless war in nullsec and corps declare war on each other to bring that war into hisec.
Dust was supposed to be the ground-based component of such warfare. Instead, it's degenerated into stylised battles on set maps with very little relation to what's going on in space. Other than the orbital strikes, there's really no connection. Perhaps Valkyrie will be a fighter based addition to EvE carrier warfare. Now that would be interesting. But my feeling is that even that will be all too hard for CCP, and nothing will survive of the dream of the EvE universe but EvE online. Very sad. |
Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
89
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Posted - 2015.11.07 13:49:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. Sorry Archduke, but we're not asking for future release dates, just some sort of commitment to a future for Dust. Your answer really answers nothing and certainly doesn't give us any indication of such a future. You could just tell us yes or no, is there or is there not going to be a port to another platform, is Dust going to survive in some form past the PS3? The fact you just give the disclaimer that you will not discuss such things indicates you are simply avoiding the issue.
Sorry for being blunt, but your continued lack of any form of guidance on this is wearing very thin. Although I've been around since the Beta days, actively, I'm a fairly new player, and even I can see this is just stringing us along. |
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GM Archduke
Game Masters C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.11.07 13:56:00 -
[50] - Quote
Alena Asakura wrote:...You could just tell us yes or no...
That's what I'm saying, we cannot comment on this, hint, imply, say yes or no. We have strict internal policies regarding this.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
89
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Posted - 2015.11.07 14:03:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I can kind of see CCPs point of view.
I don't think they really understand why FF 14 and the way info was released caused problems, and they may not have enough confidence in their understanding to try to be more communicative. I also think that for people involved with Dust on CCPs end, FF 14 was as traumatic, if not much more traumatic, as it was for those of us who already had a lot of time and/or money invested in the game.
At this point the resources are too limited to have someone experienced with PR be able to exclusively handle that communication, so we are left with what we have.
I think many players need to have more understanding for CCPs perspective, and I hope that CCP has at least some empathy for ours. Looks to me that the problem with understanding was caused by lack of communication, at least appropriate, in the first place. So CCP compounds it with silence. Yes, that certainly fits. |
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GM Archduke
Game Masters C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.11.07 14:06:00 -
[52] - Quote
Alena Asakura wrote:Looks to me that the problem with understanding was caused by lack of communication, at least appropriate, in the first place. So CCP compounds it with silence. Yes, that certainly fits.
I see your "CCP silence", and raise you yet another CCP post. There you go.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
89
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Posted - 2015.11.07 14:19:00 -
[53] - Quote
GM Archduke wrote:GM Archduke wrote:...we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. I kind of already implied that there may be something to announce/talk about at some point in the future, don't you think? I would love to think this was true. No, I don't believe you did imply that, but perhaps you're trying to now. Thanks at least for that. :)
Honestly, your silence, as well as your continued statements of the reasons, has led me to believe you are really just stringing us along. Surely, you can see that your internal policies and strategies are having an extremely negative effect on the player base. I'm an EvE player. I have no doubt that EvE is going to be continuing for the foreseeable future. I have that impression from the continual information that we get from CCP about future releases, new ideas coming into the game, that sort of thing. None of that is evident in any way with Dust.
My firm belief is there are no plans to port Dust, that it will simply die when support for the PS3 stops. You have let far too many people develop negative impressions on the future of Dust and far too many of those people leave because of it, for there to be any other way of looking at this. I will be extremely pleasantly surprised to hear of a PS4 and/or PC port, should it actually happen. I firmly believe that if there were such a port actually in development, you would know positively that you could at least tell us it will happen. You may not know that it will be PS4 or PC or both, but you would know it's going to happen, and in the interests of keeping your player base from disintegrating, you would tell us something at least.
And I know you know this, which is why I believe you are not going to port Dust.
Sorry again, but I just don't believe you. |
benandjerrys
Vader's-Fist The Empire of New Eden
946
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Posted - 2015.11.07 15:01:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:JEDI LORD HOTH wrote:Devs call us an ungrateful player base. So now, the community is the Bad Guys for playing your bugged game! Nice job on how NOT to run a company. .l.. I have never witnessed any DEV ever call the DUST 514 player-base ungrateful or the Bad Guys - of course I cannot truly know everything, so this doesn't necessarily mean anything either. Please link any such Forum posts here, or message me directly with the links, if this actually happened. Those DEVs might get some of that Archduke sass if this did actually happen. Also, DEVs do NOT run the company.
Oh brother I know.... That's why I don't blame you.
ONE VOICE//ONE COMMUNITY
Support Dust/EvE cross content
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.11.07 15:13:00 -
[55] - Quote
GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. Which then leads to the same response we've made every time you respond with this:
We get it, okay? No one wants to get burned.
However, we're not homicidal whackjobs who are going to try and fly to China to hit you in the face if you tell us your plans. Doubtlessly some people won't like them, because you can't please everyone, but we'll all eventually come around.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
991
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Posted - 2015.11.07 19:24:00 -
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Duke being so active leads me to believe they are putting a full 40 in weekly.
I honestly didn't intend to birth this monster... Sorry Duke, I knew they were out there and posted anyway, so I guess I asked for it.
If Rattati and gang are being this quiet, something is in the works. Idk.
Too many spawns, my grey matter is wearing thin. Just battle weary is all. We are dying for new content. We've heard we are at the ps3 limit.
We've heard more than we should have tbh...
*sigh*
But helI, while I've got you active.
Tell Rattati I still want a chrome skin lineup, with brushed aluminum trims.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
2
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Posted - 2015.11.07 19:45:00 -
[57] - Quote
This entire thread proves why I love Archduke...
...you know in the bro kind of way...
...not the whole let's run off and get married kind of way...
...I think I'll just leave now.
Director of T-W-L
Keeper of the List
Lord of Scrubs
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
991
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Posted - 2015.11.07 19:54:00 -
[58] - Quote
Jonny D Buelle wrote:This entire thread proves why I love Archduke...
...you know in the bro kind of way...
...not the whole let's run off and get married kind of way...
...I think I'll just leave now.
He has that effect on people.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1
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Posted - 2015.11.08 01:20:00 -
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Slightly off topic: But i'd like to see more concept art.
A close up of that fantastic looking aston martin...i mean amarr LAV. Future weapon concepts. Future level concepts.
I would also like to laugh at the person in CCP who even considered WOD seriously.
Official Blueberry of the Forums.
Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
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Yeeeuuuupppp
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.11.08 01:57:00 -
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Judging from the gm, they're trying to surprise the playerbase with new things or sought after ideas/changes. But that's the bad part, keeping the playerbase of a game that is already lacking in content in suspense until the next wave of hotbreaks and new glitches. I get they're trying to make sure it's possible to do something before saying that they are planning to do something because getting everyone hyped about something that will never happen (LolLegion) is bad, I really do .. But what's even worse is that this game is already lacking so much compared to others and is losing so many players by the day but they continue to be completely secretive about what ideas they are considering.....
Sigh
I'll boop you with a plasma Cannon
PSN: GMANCASH
"I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
993
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Posted - 2015.11.08 01:59:00 -
[61] - Quote
*sigh*
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
17
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Posted - 2015.11.08 02:02:00 -
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Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:... a game that is already lacking in content ... Find for me a shooter with more content than DUST.
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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Yeeeuuuupppp
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.11.08 02:04:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:... a game that is already lacking in content ... Find for me a shooter with more content than DUST. Literally almost any other fps.
I'll boop you with a plasma Cannon
PSN: GMANCASH
"I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.11.08 02:24:00 -
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Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:... a game that is already lacking in content ... Find for me a shooter with more content than DUST. Literally almost any other fps. I think that would turn into a discussion of how one defines content.
Certainly if you're talking about assets Dust is far behind the curve because most of the assets planned for the game never even made it into the game.
Unfortunately, most of Dust's "content" is related to subscribing to the universe it's a part of and the impact that players can have on it. What's unfortunate about that is how easy it is to simply not notice.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
17
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Posted - 2015.11.08 02:30:00 -
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Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:... a game that is already lacking in content ... Find for me a shooter with more content than DUST. Literally almost any other fps. http://i.imgur.com/enbd0pG.png
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
4
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Posted - 2015.11.08 02:34:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:... a game that is already lacking in content ... Find for me a shooter with more content than DUST.
The mobile sniper game that I play when I get super bored out of the house really has more content than Dust.
Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
993
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Posted - 2015.11.08 03:03:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:... a game that is already lacking in content ... Find for me a shooter with more content than DUST. The mobile sniper game that I play when I get super bored out of the house really has more content than Dust.
Wow must be super immersive.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.11.08 03:13:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above.
Whatever.......*burning through my officer gear, ISK, and corp wallet*
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
Check RND out here
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james selim brownstein
NECROM0NGERS
89
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Posted - 2015.11.08 12:39:00 -
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Sooo... CCP, how many more excuses do you have up your sleeve? you're literally seeing people say on the forums that they're leaving dust because of the lack of connection between the devs & fans. & not only that, how long has it been since we've seen a major update?
n++Gòª¦¦¦¦-ç¦+¦+¦+¦+ WAITING FOR DEPLOYMENTGòñGöÇGöÇGöÇ
Gò¡Gê¬Gò«n+ên+¦n++n+¦n+ë KEEP CALM, & HOPE CCP FIXES THE GAME :)
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
WarRavens Imperium Eden
384
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Posted - 2015.11.08 12:47:00 -
[70] - Quote
GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above.
i think i speak on behalf of everyone when i say 'we dont know want but right now another rouge wedding sounds good please Mr duke sir' o7
'A man can have anything if he is willing to sacrifice.' -The MatchMaker
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
WarRavens Imperium Eden
384
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Posted - 2015.11.08 12:52:00 -
[71] - Quote
GM Archduke wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:...You could just tell us yes or no... That's what I'm saying, we cannot comment on this, hint, imply, say yes or no. We have strict internal policies regarding this. EDIT: And by the way, just by saying this: GM Archduke wrote:...we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. I kind of already implied that there may be something to announce/talk about at some point in the future, don't you think?
so its not what your saying its what your not saying, what are you not saying Archdukes? are you not saying there wi;ll be a remake/port out on all formats even the VR helmets and the Dust 514 will LIVE again!!!!!! is that what your not saying!?!
and what ever happened to maybe? maybe we are, maybe were not?
errr, i think i had too much sugary sweets *barp*
'A man can have anything if he is willing to sacrifice.' -The MatchMaker
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
987
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Posted - 2015.11.08 13:01:00 -
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Is at CCP somebody that leave corporaton and don't care about 'strict rules' then?
We need to meet him/she. *interrogation *persuade *exaction
Not much time left...
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
WarRavens Imperium Eden
384
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Posted - 2015.11.08 13:12:00 -
[73] - Quote
Jack Boost wrote:Is at CCP somebody that leave corporaton and don't care about 'strict rules' then?
We need to meet him/she. *interrogation *persuade *exaction
tag em and bag em, i like it. when do we start?
'A man can have anything if he is willing to sacrifice.' -The MatchMaker
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GLOBAL RAGE
Consolidated Dust
185
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Posted - 2015.11.08 13:25:00 -
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Devadander wrote:It's a paradox.
Dust doesn't grow without profit.
We can't tell if it's growing or dying.
I can't spend money on a game that dies next week.
40 goto 10
Run
I think your explanation maybe too basic for some of the newer players, next time be more visual. I'll give it a C+.
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
988
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Posted - 2015.11.08 13:37:00 -
[75] - Quote
Project 2: Possibly is there a way to be hire-up as CCP employee? (all people from forums) We get NDA, but also we get most wanted information.
All will be happy and no problem of leaking information cus all will know (even without sharing).
I can work for rice bowl :)
Not much time left...
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
327
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Posted - 2015.11.08 13:53:00 -
[76] - Quote
GM Archduke wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:...You could just tell us yes or no... That's what I'm saying, we cannot comment on this, hint, imply, say yes or no. We have strict internal policies regarding this. EDIT: And by the way, just by saying this: GM Archduke wrote:...we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. I kind of already implied that there may be something to announce/talk about at some point in the future, don't you think?
No, you really didn't.
What you did was allow people to infer that there would be something without actually saying anything. It gives you a plausible position to turn around later and claim you didn't say anything.
Not communicating the future of the title works when your company is actually making visible progress. How well it works when your product is dog droppings and the whales just want an excuse to spend money I'll let your higher ups tell you how that is working out.
Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
327
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Posted - 2015.11.08 13:57:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:... a game that is already lacking in content ... Find for me a shooter with more content than DUST.
Bf4 has much more content. More guns, more vehicles, more maps and game modes. Not without its own problems, but for gunplay it blows dust out of the water.
Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
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Aeon Amadi
13
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Posted - 2015.11.08 16:00:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:...You could just tell us yes or no... That's what I'm saying, we cannot comment on this, hint, imply, say yes or no. We have strict internal policies regarding this. EDIT: And by the way, just by saying this: GM Archduke wrote:...we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. I kind of already implied that there may be something to announce/talk about at some point in the future, don't you think?
REPORTED!
Just you wait until Archduke gets ahold of you. He'll wring your neck good for leaking that sort of information!
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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DEATH THE KlD
Imperfect - Bastards
729
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Posted - 2015.11.08 16:03:00 -
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Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. i think i speak on behalf of everyone when i say 'we dont know what we want but right now another rouge wedding sounds good please Mr duke sir' o7 Now is the time to announce legion...not last year
CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69
Imps>NS>NF
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
995
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Posted - 2015.11.08 16:07:00 -
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DEATH THE KlD wrote:Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. i think i speak on behalf of everyone when i say 'we dont know what we want but right now another rouge wedding sounds good please Mr duke sir' o7 Now is the time to announce legion...not last year
I have a thread about the L word. You should check it out.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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DEATH THE KlD
Imperfect - Bastards
730
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Posted - 2015.11.08 16:11:00 -
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Devadander wrote:DEATH THE KlD wrote:Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. i think i speak on behalf of everyone when i say 'we dont know what we want but right now another rouge wedding sounds good please Mr duke sir' o7 Now is the time to announce legion...not last year I have a thread about the L word. You should check it out. I'll go look for it
CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69
Imps>NS>NF
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
WarRavens Imperium Eden
391
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Posted - 2015.11.08 16:22:00 -
[82] - Quote
Devadander wrote:DEATH THE KlD wrote:Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Ahoy! We mentioned this before - on multiple occasions and threads actually - that we will not hint, comment on or discuss possible future changes, release dates etc. at all until we actually have something to announce/talk about. No more Rouge weddings We can understand that this is not ideal either, and we do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We do not want to seem distant or like we do not care - we're here, we're communicating, we care - but we do have strict internal policies about the above. i think i speak on behalf of everyone when i say 'we dont know what we want but right now another rouge wedding sounds good please Mr duke sir' o7 Now is the time to announce legion...not last year I have a thread about the L word. You should check it out.
cant find it
'A man can have anything if he is willing to sacrifice.' -The MatchMaker
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
1
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Posted - 2015.11.08 16:52:00 -
[83] - Quote
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=220397&find=unread
Preeeety much sums it up...
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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da GAND
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.11.08 19:10:00 -
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Devadander wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=220397&find=unread
Preeeety much sums it up...
And HERE: I DISAGREE with him
Time since Legion News
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GM Archduke
Game Masters C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.11.08 19:26:00 -
[85] - Quote
Press Attache wrote:GM Archduke wrote:I kind of already implied that there may be something to announce/talk about at some point in the future, don't you think? No, you really didn't. What you did was allow people to infer that there would be something without actually saying anything. It gives you a plausible position to turn around later and claim you didn't say anything. Not communicating the future of the title works when your company is actually making visible progress. How well it works when your product is dog droppings and the whales just want an excuse to spend money I'll let your higher ups tell you how that is working out.
That is literally what the word means, man.
imply
verb (used with object), implied, implying.
to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated
Anyway. This started out as a thread concerned about the future. Contrary to the popular belief that CCP does not communicate with the players, I popped in and explained the official CCP status on this. Now it's just starting to be aggressive pointing of fingers and pointless repetition of the same arguments that were already discussed dozens of times. I would not be surprised if this thread would get locked sometime soon.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
WarRavens Imperium Eden
394
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Posted - 2015.11.08 19:47:00 -
[86] - Quote
GM Archduke wrote:Press Attache wrote:GM Archduke wrote:I kind of already implied that there may be something to announce/talk about at some point in the future, don't you think? No, you really didn't. What you did was allow people to infer that there would be something without actually saying anything. It gives you a plausible position to turn around later and claim you didn't say anything. Not communicating the future of the title works when your company is actually making visible progress. How well it works when your product is dog droppings and the whales just want an excuse to spend money I'll let your higher ups tell you how that is working out. That is literally what the word means, man. imply
verb (used with object), implied, implying.
to indicate or suggest without being explicitly statedAnyway. This started out as a thread concerned about the future. Contrary to the popular belief that CCP does not communicate with the players, I popped in and explained the official CCP status on this. Now it's just starting to be aggressive pointing of fingers and pointless repetition of the same arguments that were already discussed dozens of times. I would not be surprised if this thread would get locked sometime soon.
sorry,
'A man can have anything if he is willing to sacrifice.' -The MatchMaker
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
1
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Posted - 2015.11.08 19:57:00 -
[87] - Quote
Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Press Attache wrote:GM Archduke wrote:I kind of already implied that there may be something to announce/talk about at some point in the future, don't you think? No, you really didn't. What you did was allow people to infer that there would be something without actually saying anything. It gives you a plausible position to turn around later and claim you didn't say anything. Not communicating the future of the title works when your company is actually making visible progress. How well it works when your product is dog droppings and the whales just want an excuse to spend money I'll let your higher ups tell you how that is working out. That is literally what the word means, man. imply
verb (used with object), implied, implying.
to indicate or suggest without being explicitly statedAnyway. This started out as a thread concerned about the future. Contrary to the popular belief that CCP does not communicate with the players, I popped in and explained the official CCP status on this. Now it's just starting to be aggressive pointing of fingers and pointless repetition of the same arguments that were already discussed dozens of times. I would not be surprised if this thread would get locked sometime soon. sorry,
Yeah, sorry again. Lock it if you want.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
1
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:04:00 -
[88] - Quote
And after actually listening to Aeon, the silence actually DOES speak.
And I don't think it's something bad.
I can be dense sometimes
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
WarRavens Imperium Eden
394
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Posted - 2015.11.08 20:13:00 -
[89] - Quote
[/quote]aggressive pointing of fingers.[/quote]
Devadander's fault
'A man can have anything if he is willing to sacrifice.' -The MatchMaker
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
9
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:16:00 -
[90] - Quote
Devadander wrote: Will there ever be more? Will we continue on ps3? Will we move to ps4? Is this the end of times?
FIND OUT ON THE NEXT DRAGON BALL Z!
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
2
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:37:00 -
[91] - Quote
Joel II X wrote:Devadander wrote: Will there ever be more? Will we continue on ps3? Will we move to ps4? Is this the end of times?
FIND OUT ON THE NEXT DRAGON BALL Z!
Only 12 more episodes of Rattati powering up his Spirit bomb!
Director of T-W-L
Lord of Scrubs
Praise the Sun!
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JudgeIsABadPilot
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2015.11.09 01:09:00 -
[92] - Quote
Devadander wrote:Here we are again, waiting, withering.
People keep necromancing dev tagged posts to feel like they are active.
People howling and screaming, literally begging CCP for input. Look at the loader screen. Do you see anything about 'buy this today!' or a featured fit?
We are aware 1.2 is live... Somewhat...
At first I thought it was because 1.3 was coming. Then it went longer than two weeks.
Did we ever fix the MCC construction yard? Did the ama/min HAV reskin get approved? Power cores? That heavy scrambler Rat was testing?
CONTENT OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER?
Eve gate is beautiful, but we are below the mobile game even.
Old players getting fed up and leaving. Ps3's dying every week. New players being stomped out by people who have no pc's to play.
I'd like to think since Rattati chastised us for being toxic that we did get a LITTLE better...
But the silence speaks. The walls crumble. The troops begin to feast on each other. This is how the Romans felt.
Will there ever be more? Will we continue on ps3? Will we move to ps4? Is this the end of times?
We came in with a BANG. Must we leave with a whimper?
I know it's a little ranty, but also an honest inquisition. I'm far from the only person to feel this way right now. I love my friends, and my enemies. I love my devs.
I love Dust 514. o7 lol Dust didn't start with a bang. It went downhill from the very first iteration of closed beta to Uprising.
I've watched this multiple times. Look at how much better this was. Compare it to what we have now. |
Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
327
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Posted - 2015.11.09 03:42:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Press Attache wrote:GM Archduke wrote:I kind of already implied that there may be something to announce/talk about at some point in the future, don't you think? No, you really didn't. What you did was allow people to infer that there would be something without actually saying anything. It gives you a plausible position to turn around later and claim you didn't say anything. Not communicating the future of the title works when your company is actually making visible progress. How well it works when your product is dog droppings and the whales just want an excuse to spend money I'll let your higher ups tell you how that is working out. That is literally what the word means, man. imply
verb (used with object), implied, implying.
to indicate or suggest without being explicitly statedAnyway. This started out as a thread concerned about the future. Contrary to the popular belief that CCP does not communicate with the players, I popped in and explained the official CCP status on this. Now it's just starting to be aggressive pointing of fingers and pointless repetition of the same arguments that were already discussed dozens of times. I would not be surprised if this thread would get locked sometime soon.
Maybe after 18 months of implications while the studio cuts staff and takes on new projects finger pointing is the reasonable response?
If after 18 months, you have nothing to comment on and nothing to show, the more logical assumption is that there is nothing to be seen, not that there is some piece of fantastic software being formed without input from anyone, developed by an understaffed and under experienced dev team that can't even maintain performance on their ps3 version.
Locking this thread is probably for the best though, its a thread that can't be a winner for you guys in any fashion. Having more people see that you punish the community for your failures, and that after a year and a half all that can be offered is an implication of a port isn't in your interests.
I'll be taking my compelled vacation from the forums, hopefully you guys announce a port by the time I am allowed back. I'd probably put the odds at 100:1 against though.
o7, good luck with implying just enough to keep the whales hooked.
Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
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CCP Frame
C C P C C P Alliance
7
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Posted - 2015.11.09 03:50:00 -
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Locking this down now. It is very obvious that you guys want info on the future update and you shall receive - soon. Warlords 1.3 development is doing great, and we are happy where it is right now.
We are just getting into final stretch with it, and then will start revealing it to you all.
Silence can be frustrating, but sometimes it is well wort the wait.
CCP Frame, CCP Community Team
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