LOL this thread still going?

Lets just make it easy and delete the gun completely. Obviously shield users are not going to stop until there is absolutely no counter to them.

Give me an anti-armor weapon that devastates armor like the scrambler does to shields.

Justice and fair play will be served. Either CCP doing it passively or threads continuing to be made.

This ScR change did nothing to the alpha OHK of shield suits.

Give me an anti-armor weapon that devastates armor like the scrambler does to shields.

Thank you for showing me exactly why this community just keeps on swirling the toilet bowl.

Oh and I challenge you to run and armor suit with zero shield buffer and go fight a combat rifle.

Oh no, an anti-shield weapon... hurts shields?!

The horror.

2x Damage modded Six Kin ACR on a Minmando makes every armor suit in the game cry.

720 DPS and 3.4 seconds of sheer horror.

Cry some more so this weapon becomes only viable on one suit... Oh wait

That's Ydubbs bro. You don't have the resume me he has. You're just a peanut in a turd.

Funny the community wasn't "swirling" when they agreed to nerf RR but kept the SCR OP

Thank you for showing me exactly why this community just keeps on swirling the toilet bowl.

Oh and I challenge you to run and armor suit with zero shield buffer and go fight a combat rifle.

I for one do this all the time, none of my armor based suits even run shield extenders except for my amarr logi, every other suit runs x1 precision x2 damage mods or just straight damage mods if its my amarr sentinel. Combat rifles are no special problem, in fact the scrambler is still scarier because while the CR does more damage over time, the scrambler can zap me down to 200-400 health instantly before I can even register in my conscious mind that Im being attacked due to the charged shot option.

The CR was previously the second most powerful weapon in the game behind the ScR. It has easily taken that throne but the RR has been brought much closer to it creating a lightly better balance over all.



I personally pointed out the problem with the ScR mechanics which causes that to be the case.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2975995


Yet shield users are still allowed to dominate the conversation completely screwing up a new players chance at ever experiencing a unique weapon while also making it pretty crappy even for those who are highly invested in the weapon.


Broken mechanics + Piles of input from people who do not even use the weapon.

Sounds good to me lets go ahead and keep up the ridiculous old ways of constantly cycling FOTMs hoping to get lucky.

Well I think that you suck. Plain and simple.

Eh they're meant to be a hard-counter to shields. With the prevalence of Armor builds, think of how much of a risk it is to bring an LR to a fight. And as long as there's corresponding +20% damage to armor weapons, consider it working as intended.

the problem is there is no weapon that's op to armor like lasers are op to shields, laser tech is basically instant kill vs shields.

I think the SCR is still probably the best rifle in the game, but I read that thread when you posted it and liked the analysis (though I am not in a position to verify). A good change we could make to the Scrambler would be to delay increased heat per shot and increased damage per shot until the charge is significantly built, so microfiring is not a spoiler in how the weapon works. Love to see this on the ion pistol as well. However as usual I dont get to tell CCP what to do, so **** it.

Regardless that change doesnt change the fact that for shield based dropsuits the scrambler easily does 800+ dps, which is enough to absolutely murder most dedicated shield fits in less than a second, and that does not include charge shots. Compare that to what you say is close to the second best weapon in the game, the rail rifle, which does about 500 dps to armor fully upgraded and has **** firing characteristics and **** mechanics to boot especially in CQC, compared to the Scrambler which works with pinpoint accuracy throughout its range and has a drawback that generally only comes into play after the target is dead.

Edit: add to that second paragraph that shields generally have less total HP, working against a significantly higher source of dps, and its just ******* absurd to think that the scrambler isnt imbalanced.

ever hear of a locus grenade?

Oh and I challenge you to run and armor suit with zero shield buffer and go fight a combat rifle.

What are you saying? That the CR on armor is just as damaging as the scr on shields?

Give me an anti-armor weapon that devastates armor like the scrambler does to shields.

I am not arguing that the Scrambler is or was balanced only that it is being treated completely incorrectly.

My working theory on the ScR currently is that we should drop the charge multiplier to 2x and increase charge up time. Heat build up would also be scaled back to account for the more shots needed.

This would seriously nerf the ability to just walk around with a full charge on and hope to instantly follow up with a shot or two to finish off the enemy and make it a unique weapon that require managing the charge you put into each shot for maximum efficiency which last I checked was what the ScR is suppose to be. This would also make it far easier to balance without going to the insane lengths we have seen that leave it useless in the hands of unskilled users.


Shield buffer is something very difficult to get into because of the much more complicated mechanics and fits behind it. Balancing versus armor is simply working with buffer and regen while shields have buffer, regen, 2 different delay values, and a damage value which delays one of said regens. With that being said I think shields just need to be made slightly less complicated otherwise they are always going to be either OP or UP. I have skilled into Caldari scout, sentinel, and assault to try to see if there is anything that really stands out as needing a fix but as I am less experienced in them it is something I really can not speak to.

I propose that first we allow shield users to chime in on both a simplification of shields as well as a buff and then go back to the pre-foxfour numbers on the ScR and work back forward.


As it stands right now shield users are unhappy, new players never have a chance to experience the ScR as it is totally inefficient without max skills, and veteran players who are maxed in the ScR find it useless. All in all everyone took a hit on this sweeping change.

I agree with most of what you are saying. After the hotfix shield buffs the suit to suit comparison (scrambler aside) is alot tighter now between shield and armor, alot of the remaining issues lie in overall support options for each suit type, or lack thereof.

One thing I'd dispute though is the claim that the SCR is useless even in the hands of a veteran player with it maxed, if someone genuinely finds it useless I submit that it is the player who is, in fact, useless.

Amarr suit bonus is just too strong to avoid this kind of thing, the same thing exists with some other bonuses, like the Cal/Gal scout bonus which are too weak to perform their function until the skill is at level 5. I dont like this kind of skill but thats the game we have. Would love to see some CPM work to fiddle with these skills so they dont leave the lower skilled players with non-functional suits or weapons that perform dramatically different depending on suit.

Right right. So, It's okay to have a OHK rifle in the game. Makes complete ******* sense, how a god damn Scrambler Rifle can just literally obliterate a Caldari suit with 1 charge and 2 or 3 follow up shots.

Guess the Armor meta is still a damn thing, 'cause shields are still squishy as ****.

Pretty much inevitable because the Amarr suit bonus is so ******* good, the same problem exists with the laser rifle. Anyone with any grasp on balance has been warning about this (including me) even as they have been saying the scrambler needs to be toned down somehow.

Give me an anti-armor weapon that devastates armor like the scrambler does to shields.

Give me an anti-armor weapon that devastates armor like the scrambler does to shields.

For Caldari peeople, this damn thing is a long range shotgun.