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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.10.26 20:34:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:Justice and fair play will be served. Either CCP doing it passively or threads continuing to be made.
Looks at new thread title and OP. Chuckles. Realizes we all got very well trolled. Nicely done sir. o7 More like Forum Warriors not wanting to apply fair gameplay. I tried, obviously community don't give a damn. So, fuk it.
If you want to try for this so called "fair game play" you should propose something and not just ramble on that it is broken.
I gave alternate proposals for the ScR which would be highly in favor of shield users at first.
I proposed shield users give ideas for simplifying shields to make them more able to be balanced.
Calling forum warriors out for ruining a thread that was nothing more than QQ in the first place is pretty funny. |
Vesta Opalus
PROJECT OF KILLERS. RUST415
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Posted - 2015.10.26 21:34:00 -
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Emperor LOL wrote:I cannot take you seriously when you say rail rifles are harder to use then scramblers lmao if you cant point ,shoot, forget then you shouldn't open your mouth on balancing a weapon that requires you to adjust your aim in between shots. You have to adjust your aim regardless, the only difference is for the tacs you have to keep clicking a button and for the automatics you hold it down and deal with whatever kick the weapon has.
Emperor LOL wrote:my little brother who has no real fps experience went 11/3 with a rail rifle...why? Not because of his incredible skills, but because automatic weapons are easy to use. There is no argument you could put together that would prove otherwise.
I dont care how well a skillless noob is with the weapon, what I care about is how much damage good players can do with the weapons, and Im of the opinion the scrambler is far better in the hands of a skilled player than the rail rifle.
Emperor LOL wrote:also when you talk about dps you fail to take into account that it's with 100% accuracy. If you are seriously saying that it is easier to land more shots with a tac rifle then with any other weapon you need to get gud. When you complain about the damage you should think about the fire mechanics of the weapon in question. Would it make sense to have a semi auto weapon with the same damage output as an automatic weapon? Who in their right mind would pick a semi auto that does less or as much damage as an automatic one? who would trouble themselves with timing shots or spamming the trigger when you could just point, shoot , forget.
It is easier to land hits with the tac, the shots from the tac always land on the dot and the kick is very predictable, whereas with the rail rifle the game introduces random jumping kick to the weapon while its firing that gets progressively worse until you stop firing and recharge the weapon. And as for 100% accuracy, who cares? Both weapons are capable of missing and the overall dps is proportional to your accuracy in general, so the dps of the weapon still means something.
You keep repeating that you can just point at the enemy and hold the trigger down, but the reality is with any weapon you need to ensure that your reticle is on the enemy throughout firing, or you will miss. You keep characterizing automatics as point and forget but this is bullshit: both weapons have to be kept on target until you are done firing.
Emperor LOL wrote:Isn't it simple to negate the drawbacks of all the other weapons to? What happens when you can't negate those drawbacks from those weapons.....oh wait nothing. You aren't left nearly immobilized or defenseless and you don't take any damage from them.
When you cant negate overheat you overheat, but the overheat happens after 1k+ damage has been done, which is far more than most suits take before they are dead. Thats why I say the scramblers drawback is largely meaningless because its very avoidable and only comes into play after your enemy is dead.
Emperor LOL wrote:For someone who's trying to argue the weapon is OP, you won't even acknowledge any of it drawbacks like they don't exist lmao your answer to the overheat problem is "Don't over heat". Yea let me just never overheat and do charge shots for days since apparently the weapon is capable of doing so I would love to see you post a game against real competition where you do not overheat once, since it's not even a factor for you then this shouldn't be a problem.
Ive acknowledged the drawbacks of the weapon in the very post you are replying to, but as I said its not as big a drawback as people might like to think. And I dont have to try to argue the weapon is OP, its been acknowledged as over-performing by CCP by data driven evaluation, it IS OP, and nothing you can say is going to change that. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.27 07:25:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Oh no, an anti-shield weapon... hurts shields?!
The horror. Give me an anti-armor weapon that devastates armor like the scrambler does to shields. HMG, locus grenade. There is more to combat than just burst dps. Rail rifles and combat rifles are both highly dangerous for armour tankers. Yes the scrambler rifle can output a very large amount of burst dps. However, it's many drawbacks balance the weapon. The recent changes to shields have produced an influx of shield tanking suits, however the scrambler rifle remains firmly the least popular of the main battle rifles.
Why do you guys reach so hard to make points? "HMG, locus grenade"?? HMG is supposed to wreck all...you can' t compare the HMG to other rifles in the game. And the locu suggestion is a desperate attempt because flux grendade wrecks shields much more than a locus does to armor.
You want to know why the scr rifle is used as much because the armor tanking is still superior to shield tanking. So, people tank armor..even on shield suits. It is rare to see a gallente with 300 shields but it is commonplace to find caldari with 400 armor. Imagine if everyone was using shields? Do you think people will still be using RR? No, they would all be using scr but the scr is so "effective" that they'd have to try something else other than shield tanking.
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.10.27 07:46:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Oh no, an anti-shield weapon... hurts shields?!
The horror. Give me an anti-armor weapon that devastates armor like the scrambler does to shields. HMG, locus grenade. There is more to combat than just burst dps. Rail rifles and combat rifles are both highly dangerous for armour tankers. Yes the scrambler rifle can output a very large amount of burst dps. However, it's many drawbacks balance the weapon. The recent changes to shields have produced an influx of shield tanking suits, however the scrambler rifle remains firmly the least popular of the main battle rifles. Why do you guys reach so hard to make points? "HMG, locus grenade"?? HMG is supposed to wreck all...you can' t compare the HMG to other rifles in the game. And the locu suggestion is a desperate attempt because flux grendade wrecks shields much more than a locus does to armor. You want to know why the scr rifle is used as much because the armor tanking is still superior to shield tanking. So, people tank armor..even on shield suits. It is rare to see a gallente with 300 shields but it is commonplace to find caldari with 400 armor. Imagine if everyone was using shields? Do you think people will still be using RR? No, they would all be using scr but the scr is so "effective" that they'd have to try something else other than shield tanking. How many times must the ScR be nerfed before you shield scrubs are satisfied? Once again in case you couldn't wrap your head around it the first time, flux grenades don't kill especially in this new era of sub second shield delay and the fact that you get back to full in roughly five to six seconds. secondly its not just the hmg the BASIC CR has 540 dps while the proto has 594.
If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine...
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
G0DS AM0NG MEN
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Posted - 2015.10.27 08:02:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:Justice and fair play will be served. Either CCP doing it passively or threads continuing to be made.
Looks at new thread title and OP. Chuckles. Realizes we all got very well trolled. Nicely done sir. o7 More like Forum Warriors not wanting to apply fair gameplay. I tried, obviously community don't give a damn. So, fuk it. Now this doesn't apply to every single other instance, but can we all agree that people who have never liked dank memes should not write shitposts at all? It's painfully cringe-y at how badly some of it is ******* written.
Closed beta vet.
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
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Posted - 2015.10.27 12:25:00 -
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And now, grenades are crazy, and the bolt pistol is worthless.
WP.... *Slow clap*
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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