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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:09:00 -
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My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads?
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:12:00 -
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Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions?
Forever ADS. Best role.
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:15:00 -
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Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions?
Don't discount the power of a CPM member on a witch hunt. ADS is a flying ISK sink because of a CPM member.
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:27:00 -
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I wouldn't mind the removal of APEX as long as we get an AUR refund. There's no point to having the other suit/mod BPOs when you have these.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:30:00 -
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If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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ANON Cerberus
TerranProtossZerg
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:33:00 -
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#Bring back chrome
#Bring back LogiLAVS
#Bring back all the things
#Old Manus Peak |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:35:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:#Bring back chrome
#Bring back LogiLAVS
#Bring back all the things
#Old Manus Peak
Lol, right? When it was actually a peak and not Manus Plateau?
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Regnier Feros
Dead Man's Game
933
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:37:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:I wouldn't mind the removal of APEX as long as we get an AUR refund. There's no point to having the other suit/mod BPOs when you have these.
AUR refund?
What about LP REFUND?!
I LIKE PIE
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:39:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:#Bring back chrome
#Bring back LogiLAVS
#Bring back all the things
#Old Manus Peak Lol, right? When it was actually a peak and not Manus Plateau?
Especially since we've pretty much addressed the gameplay issues that made the old version exploitable.
It'd be nice to have a map that was something other than a flat plain or a bowl.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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The KTM Duke
Capital Acquisitions LLC
970
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:45:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec.
"Your choice matter*"
*lol it was a joke, lets turn dust in a P2W and mostly why dont we help FOTM chasers a bit more? Every time i read a post made by you i understand even more why i didnt vote you for CPM
// H0riz0n Unlimit // Gallente Assault since 28/7/2013 // YouGotKilledByAGuyWithFramerateDrops
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:46:00 -
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The KTM Duke wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec. "Your choice matter*" *lol it was a joke, lets turn dust in a P2W and mostly why dont we help FOTM chasers a bit more? Every time i read a post made bu you i understand even more why i didnt vote you for CPM
And yet, here I am.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:50:00 -
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Regnier Feros wrote:Joel II X wrote:I wouldn't mind the removal of APEX as long as we get an AUR refund. There's no point to having the other suit/mod BPOs when you have these. AUR refund? What about LP REFUND?!
What about it? I imagine it would be easier and less time consuming giving AUR back rather than checking to see if it's LP or AUR, then giving out both isk and LP, or AUR. Because it's easier and less time consuming, it's far more probable to happen (even if it won't).
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
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Posted - 2015.10.18 14:51:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Don't discount the power of a CPM member on a witch hunt. ADS is a flying ISK sink because of a CPM member.
Hmm... That makes me sad :( had to hit me right in the heart w/ that one.
Im aware that the ADS is a floating coffin. But, it's been better since Fox..
Was it hotfix bravo or Charlie that caused the grounding and mass respec out of ADS? A damn shame :(
Forever ADS. Best role.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.10.18 15:18:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads?
What's made you start this thread?
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
13
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Posted - 2015.10.18 15:32:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec.
I don't know whats going on but......
RIOT
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.10.18 15:41:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads?
No respecs for Aurum only? I agree with that. Otherwise it's pay to win.
Apex suits helped people build up that bankroll and severely reduced risk vs reward. Having them gone would be a good thing.
Some of us were here for the harsh environment to play in.
Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.18 15:48:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec.
Noted, I honestly just want to see Dust become better.
I want to see Dust appeal to more people with these teamwork and social tools, with the endless number of fitting combinations and play styles. Those are the things that make Dust different.
I don't care about the economy at this stage, why does it matter if none of the market prices change and we can only sell/trade a small percentage of items? There are so many things wrong with Dust, but we have our representatives worried about one of the only things that keeps people logging in.
Start a feedback thread on getting people to fight in matches.
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.18 15:50:00 -
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Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit?
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.18 15:52:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads? No respecs for Aurum only? I agree with that. Otherwise it's pay to win. Apex suits helped people build up that bankroll and severely reduced risk vs reward. Having them gone would be a good thing. Some of us were here for the harsh environment to play in.
And it led to an environment where a few dozen people controlled the entire game.
Apex suits were/are possibly the best NPE that CCP provided, it's a toss up between that and autosquadding. There's no future for a game that only a handful of people are capable of competing in. It's no fun being the king of **** mountain.
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Daemonn Adima
Y.A.M.A.H
410
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Posted - 2015.10.18 15:56:00 -
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It's really confusing that somehow conversation about meta locks turns into:
OMGZ dey gunna take our proto away!?!
Oh lets remove trading too huh??
Will nevar be able play again bcuz of queue times!!
Take away respecs??!!
More fotm encouraged?!!?
Squads r worse then proto!!
Oh no take away APEX too?!
It will Make Dust P2W!!??
Literally the only thing I proposed in my thread was a MU cutoff so that STARTER players aren't forced to fight against MAX level/gear players.
What game allows theoretical level 1s to fight MAX level characters without any stat balancing mechanic?
In most basic examples, MMO games will boost your stats to base max level if you're not there. In other games you can't even join pvp matches unless you're in the right gear or level tier.
It's interesting to watch vets hold on to proto in pubs for dear life, so much so they are willing to scapegoat squad mechanics over performance disparity. If squad mechanics break games then why does EVERY multiplayer shooter allow squads?
Every modern day multiplayer FPS has squads.
Not a single modern day multiplayer game pits absolute noobs against the absolute max level/geared players.
Yet the conclusion exists squads hurt gameplay more.
Why then is there never a post about "nerf squads" yet every day there are threads asking for proto to be removed from normal pub play?
Maybe if I had proto and had the chance to use it against starter fits, I too would make you pry it from my cold dead hands. But just because you enjoy the advantage and ease of killing noobs, doesn't make it a tried and true mechanic vital to core gameplay. Squads on the other hand, definitely are vital to this style of game.
Kinda sad people would rather see comms and squads gone before introducing a meta tier lock mechanic.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:00:00 -
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Nah man it should be even more convienient for players to get SP. If you pay 100$ to CCP you should get 100 million SP instantly. The buisness modell should look like this:
25$= 25 million SP
50$= 50 million SP
75$= 75 million SP
100$= 100 million SP
Granted way to make the horrible experience on this a little less horrible. Or more for those who grinded hard previously.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:05:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit?
I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play.
I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts.
Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away.
If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC.
The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches.
It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire.
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:09:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play. I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts. Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away. If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC. The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches. It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire.
Mountains out of molehills.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:11:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play. I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts. Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away. If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC. The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches. It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire. Mountains out of molehills.
Or mountains made to molehills.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Vesta Opalus
PROJECT OF KILLERS.
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:15:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Don't discount the power of a CPM member on a witch hunt. ADS is a flying ISK sink because of a CPM member.
Quick reminder that you still see ADS in every PC because they are still effective and valuable contributors to the team. But keep on crying about it. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:15:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play. I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts. Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away. If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC. The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches. It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire. Mountains out of molehills. Or mountains made to molehills.
Question for you, Bright Cloud - on the assumption we sell SP for 1m SP per $1... Considering that there would only be about $300 worth of SP to purchase, why even have the skill system for any reason other than to create a barrier for non-paying players? Why have boosters if their only purpose to advance SP gains when you could just buy the SP outright? Why have the respec tokens for any reason than to redistribute your 296m SP right back into the same exact skills that they are required for?
Or do you just criticize others without thinking about the other side of your own proposals?
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:24:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play. I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts. Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away. If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC. The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches. It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire. Mountains out of molehills. Or mountains made to molehills. Question for you, Bright Cloud - on the assumption we sell SP for 1m SP per $1... Considering that there would only be about $300 worth of SP to purchase, why even have the skill system for any reason other than to create a barrier for non-paying players? Why have boosters if their only purpose to advance SP gains when you could just buy the SP outright? Why have the respec tokens for any reason than to redistribute your 296m SP right back into the same exact skills that they are required for? Or do you just criticize others without thinking about the other side of your own proposals?
Just for the record, I'm with you on this one.
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:25:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? l Don't discount the power of a CPM member on a witch hunt. ADS is a flying ISK sink because of a CPM member. Quick reminder that you still see ADS in every PC because they are still effective and valuable contributors to the team. But keep on crying about it.
Right because dropping 3-5 mil in a match for the handful of players good enough to use them makes them in a great place.
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:50:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play. I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts. Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away. If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC. The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches. It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire. Mountains out of molehills. Or mountains made to molehills. Question for you, Bright Cloud - on the assumption we sell SP for 1m SP per $1... Considering that there would only be about $300 worth of SP to purchase, why even have the skill system for any reason other than to create a barrier for non-paying players? Why have boosters if their only purpose to advance SP gains when you could just buy the SP outright? Why have the respec tokens for any reason than to redistribute your 296m SP right back into the same exact skills that they are required for? Or do you just criticize others without thinking about the other side of your own proposals?
Why have skill boosters and payd respecs this late into the game. You and i know that the playerbase is very low and providing a instant SP boost would help new players more and screw vets over that have grinded until they have lost their soul. And when you gonna spill the beans that this game will stop beeing supported next year?
WHOOPSY!
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.10.18 16:56:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec.
smh
Thor you're on the right track to what is killing Dust and returning players. APEX's has completely destroyed this games very CONCEPT it was built around - risk vs reward. It used to be a place where casuals got stomped, only the strong survive, etc.
HULK THE FUCK UP - ADAPT OR DIE - concepts that have been removed because our community went from us trying to convince CCP to make Dust an MLG game - to being overwhelemed with filthy casuals.
And now those filthy casuals have voted in people who support PC port over PS4 port, and believe in further destroying the concepts this game was built upon, while claiming they're doing it for the sake of balance.
it's become so idiotic how vets like this have fallen so low just because they never could keep up to begin with. |
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.10.18 17:52:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec. smh Thor you're on the right track to what is killing Dust and returning players. APEX's has completely destroyed this games very CONCEPT it was built around - risk vs reward. It used to be a place where casuals got stomped, only the strong survive, etc. HULK THE F UCK UP - ADAPT OR DIE - concepts that have been removed because our community went from us trying to convince CCP to make Dust an MLG game - to being overwhelemed with filthy casuals. And now those filthy casuals have voted in people who support PC port over PS4 port, and believe in further destroying the concepts this game was built upon, while claiming they're doing it for the sake of balance. it's become so idiotic how vets like this have fallen so low just because they never could keep up to begin with.
For clarification, I'm the one that is starkly against APEX BPOs and I believe Thor wants them to be retained. Think there may have been some confusion there.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Thumb Green
Elephant Riders
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Posted - 2015.10.18 18:52:00 -
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Misery grind of yesterday? For a lot of players it's not just yesterday, it's today, it's tomorrow and it's 23/7. You keep talking about fun but the only ones really having fun most of the time are the douchebags stomping the ever living sh!t out of whichever team gets the short end of the stick.
CCP needs to do what needs to be done because a lot of the players are too much of a d!ck to show some self control to stop themselves from going balls to the walls against players that just can't compete.
Most of what I see around here is just a bag of dicks in need of some kicks.
Dust really needs its high sec.
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DiablosMajora
338
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Posted - 2015.10.18 19:00:00 -
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I'm confused.
When did all this new drama start and what is it all about?
Prepare your angus
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Union118
TH3 STRUGGL3
780
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Posted - 2015.10.18 19:19:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads?
BRING BACK BETA DAYS.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Abstract Requiem
8
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Posted - 2015.10.18 19:23:00 -
[35] - Quote
I wish I was around in the glory days of pre-1.8. Heck, I wish I was back in 1.8 right now. Tbh it feels like the game gets worse with every update. The playerbase gets smaller each time.
Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel
Dreis' Minja Blog
CEO of Abstract Requiem
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
RUST415
503
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Posted - 2015.10.18 20:56:00 -
[36] - Quote
Joel II X wrote:I wouldn't mind the removal of APEX as long as we get an AUR refund. There's no point to having the other suit/mod BPOs when you have these.
But.....but.....I like my suits.  |
First Prophet
Nos Nothi
4
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:06:00 -
[37] - Quote
You make some good points about stuff but you're totally wrong about APEX suits.
They aren't helping new players because new players don't have them. You can only get them through wins in FW or by dropping money and new players aren't doing either of those. At least the majority aren't.
Apex suits were fun at first 'cause they let you d!ck around and be an arse for free and break the ISK system in dust, but then you realize you're just limiting yourself to a low tier fit just so you can save ISK which isn't that hard to come by in the first place. So now you have people in Apex fits not really trying just being there for the ISK, when they would probably do better in an Adv fit contributing more to the team.
Sanmatar Kelkoons now recruiting
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:26:00 -
[38] - Quote
Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions?
Helvete NO!!
NO PORT AT ALL!!
CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD |
Dreis ShadowWeaver
Abstract Requiem
8
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:31:00 -
[39] - Quote
postapo wastelander wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Helvete NO!! NO PORT AT ALL!! CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD
I think when people say port, they don't actually mean a direct port. They mean copying the concept, but fully optimised and improved upon so that it really would be a new game.
Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel
Dreis' Minja Blog
CEO of Abstract Requiem
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:38:00 -
[40] - Quote
Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Helvete NO!! NO PORT AT ALL!! CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD I think when people say port, they don't actually mean a direct port. They mean copying the concept, but fully optimised and improved upon so that it really would be a new game.
Honestly boyko :p
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Jared Fogle
Fake Ancient Exiles. 2.0
189
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:40:00 -
[41] - Quote
Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Helvete NO!! NO PORT AT ALL!! CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD I think when people say port, they don't actually mean a direct port. They mean copying the concept, but fully optimised and improved upon so that it really would be a new game.
Don't tell me what I want dried ShadowedBeaver.
I want dust as is, copy and pasted to ps4. Right meow |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:50:00 -
[42] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads?
I don't understand the CPMs at all.
Take for example this update.....Gal assault got a ROF buff. I remember asking for ROF mods for cal assaults in the low slots and got a "Hell No" from the community. But the gal assault gets a ROF bonus along with the ability to stack damage mods without sacrificing their primary tank.
Cal got some kick bonus that I can barely tell the difference with when I use the RRs.
I just feel these CPMs are just out for their own agendas. I mean, why would you want to get reduce officer gear at this stage of the game. I think there is a reason why CCP doesn't care anymore and has allowed sp grind to be not be a grind at all. 750K weekly cap, triple stacked sp boosters, etc. Reason because they know the game is going to an end so no point in holding back players. In that same notion....let the officer gear roam freely as well.
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
Check RND out here
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Dergle
Port 514
127
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Posted - 2015.10.18 23:48:00 -
[43] - Quote
ANON Cerberus wrote:#Bring back chrome
#Bring back LogiLAVS
#Bring back all the things
#Old Manus Peak
I wish I could like your post more than once xD
Ignore your instincts at your peril.
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Dried ShadowBeaver
Nos Nothi
122
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Posted - 2015.10.18 23:49:00 -
[44] - Quote
Jared Fogle wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Helvete NO!! NO PORT AT ALL!! CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD I think when people say port, they don't actually mean a direct port. They mean copying the concept, but fully optimised and improved upon so that it really would be a new game. Don't tell me what I want dried ShadowedBeaver.
I know you better than you know yourself.
Touch my beaver tail.
Go on.
Touch it.
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Shaun Iwairo
Dust University
Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2015.10.19 00:46:00 -
[45] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:And it led to an environment where a few dozen people controlled the entire game.
Apex suits were/are possibly the best NPE that CCP provided, it's a toss up between that and autosquadding. There's no future for a game that only a handful of people are capable of competing in. It's no fun being the king of **** mountain.
This is not something I would have expected you to say. It's refreshing, and I believe you. But from what I've read, you seem to support (to me) the aspects of Dust that are keeping the kings at their current position. All the aspects that contribute to the effectiveness of a vet that we can control like stat modifiers, you want left alone. Yet more abstract things like 'players now have the ability to push back by building wealth and using higher tier gear' you seem to encourage.
Say a player trying to make their way up poop mountain runs a fairly modest 50K ISK ADV suit, they'd have to be very careful with how aggressively they push back because 4 or 5 deaths and they're going to be in the red for the match. I'm not saying things are the same as they were before, but building wealth and using higher tiered gear still aren't all that compatible.
I can see your point of view and I agree with the philosophy of reducing the gap between the haves and the have nots, but I haven't really seen it from you through the things you support.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.10.19 00:52:00 -
[46] - Quote
Want:
APEX gone, BPOs too. Also the warbarge damage bonus(ah what the hell, let's just blown the whole misbegotten thing the f*ck up). Refund AUR/LP for them.
One respec a year through ISK or AUR while the game is still in beta. No respecs once the game is released in a complete and playable state.
Shared TACNET available only through an off-map deployable asset(say 1500 WP) in FW or PC. Better yet if it's ship-launched from EVE and EVE pilots get TACNET assist points for kills.
Asymmetrical skillpoint & ISK payouts based on the logarithm of the Mu*MetaLvl ratio difference - this would pay all of us, noob and vet alike, for running lower tier gear.
Mercs entering real contract agreements when we take on a pub job, with appropriate binders, penalties and sureties of performance, balanced by lucrative bonus incentives for those who give their contractual employers good value. A real record of performance that follows mercs around when they're looking for pub jobs. This would be the game design counterbalance to running cheap suits for the asymmetrical payouts detailed above. Now, if you're such hot sh!t that you & your squad can run lower tier gear and still deliver the wins then you're golden and can fund your PC/FW habit while blowing through an embarrassing quantity of mindflood, exotic dancers, damsels and slaver hounds..
That's a beginning, but there's a whole universe of such New Eden-like miseries i'd love to visit upon this game.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.19 01:27:00 -
[47] - Quote
Shaun Iwairo wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:And it led to an environment where a few dozen people controlled the entire game.
Apex suits were/are possibly the best NPE that CCP provided, it's a toss up between that and autosquadding. There's no future for a game that only a handful of people are capable of competing in. It's no fun being the king of **** mountain. This is not something I would have expected you to say. It's refreshing, and I believe you. But from what I've read, you seem to support (to me) the aspects of Dust that are keeping the kings at their current position. All the aspects that contribute to the effectiveness of a vet that we can control like stat modifiers, you want left alone. Yet more abstract things like 'players now have the ability to push back by building wealth and using higher tier gear' you seem to encourage. Say a player trying to make their way up poop mountain runs a fairly modest 50K ISK ADV suit, they'd have to be very careful with how aggressively they push back because 4 or 5 deaths and they're going to be in the red for the match. I'm not saying things are the same as they were before, but building wealth and using higher tiered gear still aren't all that compatible. I can see your point of view and I agree with the philosophy of reducing the gap between the haves and the have nots, but I haven't really seen it from you through the things you support.
You just don't understand where I'm coming from and that's more than likely my fault. I'm an extremely bitter vet.
After getting worked up in this thread and others recently I've decided to step away. I'm a grown man with a good job and a wonderful family. This game has only made me a worse person in real life. It's cold turkey time.
I won't be back on the PS3. If it makes it to the PS4 I'll come check it out. No way I can handle it on the PC, I am a CAD designer so I'd probably lose everything to this addicting ass game if it were only one click away from my work.
Good riddance to all you sorry bastards!
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Shaun Iwairo
Dust University
Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2015.10.19 01:45:00 -
[48] - Quote
That is a bit annoying. Just as I start to understand you and maybe even begin to like you, you go away.
Maybe keep all your stuff just in case CCP turn it around?
Something is killing new player retention.
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.19 01:48:00 -
[49] - Quote
Shaun Iwairo wrote:That is a bit annoying. Just as I start to understand you and maybe even begin to like you, you go away.
Maybe keep all your stuff just in case CCP turn it around?
No doubt, I wouldn't do that. FYI you have no idea how many times I've posted about how crazy it is that losing 5 ADV suits means no profit in a match. Only a certifiable idiot wouldn't be able to see how that created the passive, hoarding mentality that plagues Dust today.
I'd wager I've posted about it somewhere between 500 and a 1000 times.
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 02:53:00 -
[50] - Quote
Shaun Iwairo wrote:Say a player trying to make their way up poop mountain runs a fairly modest 50K ISK ADV suit,.
That's a pretty bad fit in all honesty
Don't try to dual tank the fit. You've got speed and shield regen, try switching out the ferro's for some regulators.
I would run 2x Shield, 1x Recharger, 1x Damage mod, 2x regulator, 1x kincat, 1x ferro.
An excellent blend of speed, damage, and regen.
Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR.
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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Aeon Amadi
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 03:01:00 -
[51] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads? I don't understand the CPMs at all. Take for example this update.....Gal assault got a ROF buff. I remember asking for ROF mods for cal assaults in the low slots and got a "Hell No" from the community. But the gal assault gets a ROF bonus along with the ability to stack damage mods without sacrificing their primary tank. Cal got some kick bonus that I can barely tell the difference with when I use the RRs. I just feel these CPMs are just out for their own agendas. I mean, why would you want to get reduce officer gear at this stage of the game. I think there is a reason why CCP doesn't care anymore and has allowed sp grind to be not be a grind at all. 750K weekly cap, triple stacked sp boosters, etc. Reason because they know the game is going to an end so no point in holding back players. In that same notion....let the officer gear roam freely as well.
Half the time you guys say we don't have any real power and then you post stuff like this essentially blaming us for the changes you disagreed with. Which is it? Do we have power to advocate these changes or do we not? If not, then why follow up with "CPM agenda"? If we do, then why would you believe for a second that anything less than all seven of us weighed in on any given topic?
Gal Assault got an RoF buff when the Assault Rifle needed a buff. Every variant of the Assault rifle was under-performing, not just one or two. Maybe that'll change with the Gal Assault buff, who knows. But you can drop that "CPM agenda" **** at the door, lol.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Shaun Iwairo
Dust University
Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2015.10.19 03:14:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Say a player trying to make their way up poop mountain runs a fairly modest 50K ISK ADV suit,. That's a pretty bad fit in all honesty Don't try to dual tank the fit. You've got speed and shield regen, try switching out the ferro's for some regulators. I would run 2x Shield, 1x Recharger, 1x Damage mod, 2x regulator, 1x kincat, 1x ferro. An excellent blend of speed, damage, and regen. Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR.
Thanks for the advice. I'm a completely useless slayer (probably due to bad fittings :P ) but I might try it out. I was going to start a whole new thread for this but while I've got you, do you know which weapons/variations have optics rather than iron sights?
Something is killing new player retention.
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
2
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Posted - 2015.10.19 03:25:00 -
[53] - Quote
Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Helvete NO!! NO PORT AT ALL!! CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD I think when people say port, they don't actually mean a direct port. They mean copying the concept, but fully optimised and improved upon so that it really would be a new game.
Battlefront man. They had ship to ship combat over a decade ago. Boarding actions, vehicle combat. Dust is pretty much a rip off of a ps2 game. Spruced up with some spreadsheets.
Crush them
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 04:09:00 -
[54] - Quote
Shaun Iwairo wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Say a player trying to make their way up poop mountain runs a fairly modest 50K ISK ADV suit,. That's a pretty bad fit in all honesty Don't try to dual tank the fit. You've got speed and shield regen, try switching out the ferro's for some regulators. I would run 2x Shield, 1x Recharger, 1x Damage mod, 2x regulator, 1x kincat, 1x ferro. An excellent blend of speed, damage, and regen. Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR. Thanks for the advice. I'm a completely useless slayer (probably due to bad fittings :P ) but I might try it out. I was going to start a whole new thread for this but while I've got you, do you know which weapons/variations have optics rather than iron sights?
Following light weapons have optics:
Rail Rifle
Scrambler Rifle
Laser RIfle
Assault Scrambler Rifle
Tactical Assault Rifle
Burst Assault Rifle
Combat Rifle
All Mass Drivers
All Sniper Rifles
Send me a mail in game, if you have any questions I'll see if I can hop in a squad with ya.
I'm fine with every new player who actually wants to learn. I'm only a jerk to those who want everything nerfed without actually trying to improve themselves.
Bring yourself up, not everything around you down.
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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Shaun Iwairo
Dust University
Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2015.10.19 04:18:00 -
[55] - Quote
Thanks! I'm in a funny spot cos technically I'm a closed beta vet, but I've only played sporadically except for the past few months where I've really jumped back in. Never played at any level that would be considered competitive - I've had one or two FW matches and I enjoyed them because the emphasis was on PTFO. I feel like I've really got my head around logi but that's about it.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.19 04:52:00 -
[56] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads? I don't understand the CPMs at all. Take for example this update.....Gal assault got a ROF buff. I remember asking for ROF mods for cal assaults in the low slots and got a "Hell No" from the community. But the gal assault gets a ROF bonus along with the ability to stack damage mods without sacrificing their primary tank. Cal got some kick bonus that I can barely tell the difference with when I use the RRs. I just feel these CPMs are just out for their own agendas. I mean, why would you want to get reduce officer gear at this stage of the game. I think there is a reason why CCP doesn't care anymore and has allowed sp grind to be not be a grind at all. 750K weekly cap, triple stacked sp boosters, etc. Reason because they know the game is going to an end so no point in holding back players. In that same notion....let the officer gear roam freely as well. Half the time you guys say we don't have any real power and then you post stuff like this essentially blaming us for the changes you disagreed with. Which is it? Do we have power to advocate these changes or do we not? If not, then why follow up with "CPM agenda"? If we do, then why would you believe for a second that anything less than all seven of us weighed in on any given topic? Gal Assault got an RoF buff when the Assault Rifle needed a buff. Every variant of the Assault rifle was under-performing, not just one or two. Maybe that'll change with the Gal Assault buff, who knows. But you can drop that "CPM agenda" **** at the door, lol.
Don't quote me and say that I said things that I never said. I have never said the CPMs had no power. Why would I even think that when Kane was the one who got passive ISK removed from pc?
You guys didn't buff ARs. You buffed the gallente suit. You gave it a very impactful bonus. If you would have buffed ARs then you would have buffed them so that all suits can benefit from the ROF increase just like CCP did when they buffed it from 750 rpm to 800 rpm.
You know the difference too because Caldari didn't get a shield buff. ALL of the suits got a shield buff (minus a few heavy exceptions). Point being Caldari and minmatar wasn't the only one that benefited...gallente and amarr benefitted from this hotfix. Gal assault used to have a shield recharge delay of 6 and a depleted delay of 10...and what is it now?
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
Check RND out here
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Aeon Amadi
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 04:59:00 -
[57] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
You guys didn't buff ARs. You buffed the gallente suit. You gave it a very impactful bonus.
You know that for a fact, do you?
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Aeon Amadi
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 05:00:00 -
[58] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
You know the difference too because Caldari didn't get a shield buff. ALL of the suits got a shield buff (minus a few heavy exceptions). Point being Caldari and minmatar wasn't the only one that benefited...gallente and amarr benefitted from this hotfix. Gal assault used to have a shield recharge delay of 6 and a depleted delay of 10...and what is it now?
Did you skip over the part where we clearly mentioned that the shield changes were a step-by-step process and that step one was never meant to address everything or did you pocket that and save it for when you wanted to ***** about the CPM?
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.10.19 05:30:00 -
[59] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads?
I am getting tired of pointing out one relatively small and one small and extremely easy to implement trading improvement.
Tired because on the threads the attitude is "How DARE you ask for this, not every player trades always. You are wasting dev time, instead of that trading bug fix devs should fix framerate next week for good."
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Seach "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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Jared Fogle
Fake Ancient Exiles. 2.0
189
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Posted - 2015.10.19 05:32:00 -
[60] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
You guys didn't buff ARs. You buffed the gallente suit. You gave it a very impactful bonus.
You know that for a fact, do you?
Did you write the code ? Did you physically or visually see it done?
Ratatitties arm must get tired from being crammed up your azz like a puppet master Baiter. |
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
4
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Posted - 2015.10.19 06:09:00 -
[61] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR.
F**k you. the SMG + ACR combo is fantastic. Sure, it doesn't have the same range options, but it's damn good at what it does.
And that's f**kin' spray. Spray for days.
Sanmatar Kelkoons now recruiting
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.19 06:10:00 -
[62] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
You guys didn't buff ARs. You buffed the gallente suit. You gave it a very impactful bonus.
You know that for a fact, do you?
When I say, "you" I mean the collective of CCP devs and CPMs
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
Check RND out here
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Symbioticforks
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.10.19 06:14:00 -
[63] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:#Bring back chrome
#Bring back LogiLAVS
#Bring back all the things
#Old Manus Peak Lol, right? When it was actually a peak and not Manus Plateau?
They nerfed mountains... those were half my hiding spots!
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.19 06:18:00 -
[64] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
You know the difference too because Caldari didn't get a shield buff. ALL of the suits got a shield buff (minus a few heavy exceptions). Point being Caldari and minmatar wasn't the only one that benefited...gallente and amarr benefitted from this hotfix. Gal assault used to have a shield recharge delay of 6 and a depleted delay of 10...and what is it now?
Did you skip over the part where we clearly mentioned that the shield changes were a step-by-step process and that step one was never meant to address everything or did you pocket that and save it for when you wanted to ***** about the CPM?
Even if you guys plan to buff shield tanking in 2016....why wouldn't you prioritize? The community wasn't crying for a galente buff like we were crying about shields. If you guys felt like ARs were underperforming then you should have just buffed the AR like what happened when the rpm was buffed to 800.
When the ascr was "underperforming", there was a buff to the gun. Amarr didn't get a damage bonus to the ascr. Any suit can use the gun with the new changes. This hotfix just seems like a few people getting what they wanted more than what the community needed.
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
Check RND out here
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.10.19 07:54:00 -
[65] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
You know the difference too because Caldari didn't get a shield buff. ALL of the suits got a shield buff (minus a few heavy exceptions). Point being Caldari and minmatar wasn't the only one that benefited...gallente and amarr benefitted from this hotfix. Gal assault used to have a shield recharge delay of 6 and a depleted delay of 10...and what is it now?
Did you skip over the part where we clearly mentioned that the shield changes were a step-by-step process and that step one was never meant to address everything or did you pocket that and save it for when you wanted to ***** about the CPM? Even if you guys plan to buff shield tanking in 2016....why wouldn't you prioritize? The community wasn't crying for a galente buff like we were crying about shields. If you guys felt like ARs were underperforming then you should have just buffed the AR like what happened when the rpm was buffed to 800. When the ascr was "underperforming", there was a buff to the gun. Amarr didn't get a damage bonus to the ascr. Any suit can use the gun with the new changes. This hotfix just seems like a few people getting what they wanted more than what the community needed.
Was wondering about that one too. Yeah the AR was mediocore at best but giving a assault suit a DPS bonus seems rather odd.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
63
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Posted - 2015.10.19 10:56:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec.
I'm against respecs! Training choices should be something you have to live with. If you want to change your racial skills then you just start training something else. The existing training doesn't become invalid. That is, of course, unless CCP so radically changes the game that they have to give everyone a respec to deal with it.... |
Baal Omniscient
Qualified Scrub
2
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Posted - 2015.10.19 11:16:00 -
[67] - Quote
ANON Cerberus wrote:#Bring back chrome
#Bring back LogiLAVS
#Bring back all the things
#Old Manus Peak
Pre Chromosome Manus Peak and the 'bowl map' ambush version from Chromosome. We Need These Back Nao!
(Unfortunately that is the only video of closed-beta Manus Peak I could find  )
"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."
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Baal Omniscient
Qualified Scrub
2
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Posted - 2015.10.19 11:18:00 -
[68] - Quote
Symbioticforks wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:#Bring back chrome
#Bring back LogiLAVS
#Bring back all the things
#Old Manus Peak Lol, right? When it was actually a peak and not Manus Plateau? They nerfed mountains... those were half my hiding spots!
The headglitching sniper was strong in Chromosome Manus Peak... As were mountain climbing rail tanks smh
"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 13:22:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR.
F**k you. the SMG + ACR combo is fantastic. Sure, it doesn't have the same range options, but it's damn good at what it does. And that's f**kin' spray. Spray for days.
Or you could get some aim, pack a sidearm that compliments your loadout and enjoy the versatility?
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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Regnier Feros
Dead Man's Game
938
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Posted - 2015.10.19 13:30:00 -
[70] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:First Prophet wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR.
F**k you. the SMG + ACR combo is fantastic. Sure, it doesn't have the same range options, but it's damn good at what it does. And that's f**kin' spray. Spray for days. Or you could get some aim, pack a sidearm that compliments your loadout and enjoy the versatility?
YO! i can't decide between the vanilla or assault scrp to main on all of my suits .-.
I LIKE PIE
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 15:47:00 -
[71] - Quote
Regnier Feros wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:First Prophet wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR.
F**k you. the SMG + ACR combo is fantastic. Sure, it doesn't have the same range options, but it's damn good at what it does. And that's f**kin' spray. Spray for days. Or you could get some aim, pack a sidearm that compliments your loadout and enjoy the versatility? YO! i can't decide between the vanilla or assault scrp to main on all of my suits .-.
I'd honestly just run the assault on all of them.
Vanilla only has slightly better alpha for worse RoF.
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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Vesta Opalus
PROJECT OF KILLERS.
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.10.19 15:59:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? l Don't discount the power of a CPM member on a witch hunt. ADS is a flying ISK sink because of a CPM member. Quick reminder that you still see ADS in every PC because they are still effective and valuable contributors to the team. But keep on crying about it. Right because dropping 3-5 mil in a match for the handful of players good enough to use them makes them in a great place.
If you have something that cant be killed by a single person, can zip across the map in seconds, can bombard infantry and vehicles alike from 100+ meters away, and can transport units across the map with ease, which is also able to drop uplinks and men onto and clear out high ground of uplinks and men easily, then dont come bitching to me when that massive utility and effectiveness comes at a COST. OH NO you have to pay FAKE MONEY to be HUGELY MORE EFFECTIVE than other players, you poor baby. |
Vesta Opalus
PROJECT OF KILLERS.
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.10.19 16:02:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Helvete NO!! NO PORT AT ALL!! CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD I think when people say port, they don't actually mean a direct port. They mean copying the concept, but fully optimised and improved upon so that it really would be a new game. Battlefront man. They had ship to ship combat over a decade ago. Boarding actions, vehicle combat. Dust is pretty much a rip off of a ps2 game. Spruced up with some spreadsheets.
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Vesta Opalus
PROJECT OF KILLERS.
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.10.19 16:18:00 -
[74] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Say a player trying to make their way up poop mountain runs a fairly modest 50K ISK ADV suit,. That's a pretty bad fit in all honesty Don't try to dual tank the fit. You've got speed and shield regen, try switching out the ferro's for some regulators. I would run 2x Shield, 1x Recharger, 1x Damage mod, 2x regulator, 1x kincat, 1x ferro. An excellent blend of speed, damage, and regen. Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR. Thanks for the advice. I'm a completely useless slayer (probably due to bad fittings :P ) but I might try it out. I was going to start a whole new thread for this but while I've got you, do you know which weapons/variations have optics rather than iron sights? Following light weapons have optics: Rail Rifle Scrambler Rifle Laser RIfle Assault Scrambler Rifle Tactical Assault Rifle Burst Assault Rifle Combat Rifle All Mass Drivers All Sniper Rifles Send me a mail in game, if you have any questions I'll see if I can hop in a squad with ya. I'm fine with every new player who actually wants to learn. I'm only a jerk to those who want everything nerfed without actually trying to improve themselves. Bring yourself up, not everything around you down.
And the Bolt Pistol (and does the little flip up reticle on the SMG count?) |
Cesar Geronimo
Dust University
Ivy League
119
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Posted - 2015.10.19 21:17:00 -
[75] - Quote
Joel II X wrote:I wouldn't mind the removal of APEX as long as we get an AUR refund. There's no point to having the other suit/mod BPOs when you have these.
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Aeon Amadi
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 22:58:00 -
[76] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Even if you guys plan to buff shield tanking in 2016....why wouldn't you prioritize? The community wasn't crying for a galente buff like we were crying about shields. If you guys felt like ARs were underperforming then you should have just buffed the AR like what happened when the rpm was buffed to 800.
When the ascr was "underperforming", there was a buff to the gun. Amarr didn't get a damage bonus to the ascr. Any suit can use the gun with the new changes. This hotfix just seems like a few people getting what they wanted more than what the community needed.
Well, it happened, can't change the past - can only look at changing the future. Getting pissy about something that has already happened isn't going to do anything. There's already discussions on giving the Gal Assault a lighter bonus and moving some of it over to the AR's base stats, so, basically complaining about something that is already being looked into at this point.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
196
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Posted - 2015.10.19 23:08:00 -
[77] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Even if you guys plan to buff shield tanking in 2016....why wouldn't you prioritize? The community wasn't crying for a galente buff like we were crying about shields. If you guys felt like ARs were underperforming then you should have just buffed the AR like what happened when the rpm was buffed to 800.
When the ascr was "underperforming", there was a buff to the gun. Amarr didn't get a damage bonus to the ascr. Any suit can use the gun with the new changes. This hotfix just seems like a few people getting what they wanted more than what the community needed.
Well, it happened, can't change the past - can only look at changing the future. Getting pissy about something that has already happened isn't going to do anything. There's already discussions on giving the Gal Assault a lighter bonus and moving some of it over to the AR's base stats, so, basically complaining about something that is already being looked into at this point.
It's actually not a bad way to go about it. Restricting the bonus to only one suit means if you went too far the damage would be farily limited (FOTM chasers aside). I'm sure you can see the buff has worked - even if it was a bit too well - and now you've got an idea of what the upper range of the ROF should be without being too broken.
With the crazy number of weapons and variations, Dust is always going to have something or another over/underperforming. So there's always going to be someone asking for something to be buffed or nerfed. Actually that's kinda true for any game with more than a handful of weapons.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.20 04:00:00 -
[78] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Even if you guys plan to buff shield tanking in 2016....why wouldn't you prioritize? The community wasn't crying for a galente buff like we were crying about shields. If you guys felt like ARs were underperforming then you should have just buffed the AR like what happened when the rpm was buffed to 800.
When the ascr was "underperforming", there was a buff to the gun. Amarr didn't get a damage bonus to the ascr. Any suit can use the gun with the new changes. This hotfix just seems like a few people getting what they wanted more than what the community needed.
Well, it happened, can't change the past - can only look at changing the future. Getting pissy about something that has already happened isn't going to do anything. There's already discussions on giving the Gal Assault a lighter bonus and moving some of it over to the AR's base stats, so, basically complaining about something that is already being looked into at this point.
I don't understand....if I don't get pissy about it or complain about it then how would it get right? Am I not allowed to disagree? So, should I just lay down and accept every change that the CPMs help to influence for their own gain?
*Gal Assault gets ROF bonus* - "ok well nothing we can do about it, let's move on."
*Amarr CPM reduces kick to scr and buffs damage* - "ok well nothing we can do about it, let's move on."
"Gal CPM feels suits rep too slow..buffs suit rep and reactive rep rate* - "ok well nothing we can do about it, let's move on."
When will it end??
We've been begging for shield balances for the longest time. Does it take 6 months to reduce the cpu/pg usage for shield extenders to make it more comparable with ferroscale plates? Gal assault got a ROF bonus (Probably the best bonus out of all the suits). Caldari got a kick reduction bonus that you don't even notice. RR in Caldari hands feels like RR in any other suit's hands. Even the CPMs are telling us "SoonTM" about balancing shields.
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
Check RND out here
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Aeon Amadi
13
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Posted - 2015.10.20 06:07:00 -
[79] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Even if you guys plan to buff shield tanking in 2016....why wouldn't you prioritize? The community wasn't crying for a galente buff like we were crying about shields. If you guys felt like ARs were underperforming then you should have just buffed the AR like what happened when the rpm was buffed to 800.
When the ascr was "underperforming", there was a buff to the gun. Amarr didn't get a damage bonus to the ascr. Any suit can use the gun with the new changes. This hotfix just seems like a few people getting what they wanted more than what the community needed.
Well, it happened, can't change the past - can only look at changing the future. Getting pissy about something that has already happened isn't going to do anything. There's already discussions on giving the Gal Assault a lighter bonus and moving some of it over to the AR's base stats, so, basically complaining about something that is already being looked into at this point. I don't understand....if I don't get pissy about it or complain about it then how would it get right? Am I not allowed to disagree? So, should I just lay down and accept every change that the CPMs help to influence for their own gain? *Gal Assault gets ROF bonus* - "ok well nothing we can do about it, let's move on." *Amarr CPM reduces kick to scr and buffs damage* - "ok well nothing we can do about it, let's move on." "Gal CPM feels suits rep too slow..buffs suit rep and reactive rep rate* - "ok well nothing we can do about it, let's move on." When will it end?? We've been begging for shield balances for the longest time. Does it take 6 months to reduce the cpu/pg usage for shield extenders to make it more comparable with ferroscale plates? Gal assault got a ROF bonus (Probably the best bonus out of all the suits). Caldari got a kick reduction bonus that you don't even notice. RR in Caldari hands feels like RR in any other suit's hands. Even the CPMs are telling us "SoonTM" about balancing shields.
Catch more flies with honey, yo. And yeah, SoonTM because - and I know this comes as a surprise - you can't usually fix something in one go.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.20 18:55:00 -
[80] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Even if you guys plan to buff shield tanking in 2016....why wouldn't you prioritize? The community wasn't crying for a galente buff like we were crying about shields. If you guys felt like ARs were underperforming then you should have just buffed the AR like what happened when the rpm was buffed to 800.
When the ascr was "underperforming", there was a buff to the gun. Amarr didn't get a damage bonus to the ascr. Any suit can use the gun with the new changes. This hotfix just seems like a few people getting what they wanted more than what the community needed.
Well, it happened, can't change the past - can only look at changing the future. Getting pissy about something that has already happened isn't going to do anything. There's already discussions on giving the Gal Assault a lighter bonus and moving some of it over to the AR's base stats, so, basically complaining about something that is already being looked into at this point. I don't understand....if I don't get pissy about it or complain about it then how would it get right? Am I not allowed to disagree? So, should I just lay down and accept every change that the CPMs help to influence for their own gain? *Gal Assault gets ROF bonus* - "ok well nothing we can do about it, let's move on." *Amarr CPM reduces kick to scr and buffs damage* - "ok well nothing we can do about it, let's move on." "Gal CPM feels suits rep too slow..buffs suit rep and reactive rep rate* - "ok well nothing we can do about it, let's move on." When will it end?? We've been begging for shield balances for the longest time. Does it take 6 months to reduce the cpu/pg usage for shield extenders to make it more comparable with ferroscale plates? Gal assault got a ROF bonus (Probably the best bonus out of all the suits). Caldari got a kick reduction bonus that you don't even notice. RR in Caldari hands feels like RR in any other suit's hands. Even the CPMs are telling us "SoonTM" about balancing shields. Catch more flies with honey, yo. And yeah, SoonTM because - and I know this comes as a surprise - you can't usually fix something in one go.
Ohh, I see....so I basically have to talk nice in order for you guys to do something. First of all, i didnt insult you guys personally or name called, etc. Points that i make are legitimate and it is sad if I have to come bearing gifts and offering if I want you guys to be practical and listen.
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
12
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Posted - 2015.10.20 19:01:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I have to come bearing gifts and offering if I want you guys to be practical and listen. I don't think being polite and not being a twatbadger constitutes giving a gift... it's just common courtesy.
"I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
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Aeon Amadi
13
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Posted - 2015.10.20 20:03:00 -
[82] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I have to come bearing gifts and offering if I want you guys to be practical and listen. I don't think being polite and not being a twatbadger constitutes giving a gift... it's just common courtesy.
Pretty much this.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Symbioticforks
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.10.22 04:25:00 -
[83] - Quote
Baal Omniscient wrote:Symbioticforks wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:#Bring back chrome
#Bring back LogiLAVS
#Bring back all the things
#Old Manus Peak Lol, right? When it was actually a peak and not Manus Plateau? They nerfed mountains... those were half my hiding spots! The headglitching sniper was strong in Chromosome Manus Peak... As were mountain climbing rail tanks smh
Last I checked head glitching hasn't gone anywhere. And with suit health where it is, and sniper rifle base damage where it is.. goodluck getting headshots from that distance.
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Union118
TH3 STRUGGL3
801
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Posted - 2015.10.22 05:35:00 -
[84] - Quote
Symbioticforks wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Symbioticforks wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:#Bring back chrome
#Bring back LogiLAVS
#Bring back all the things
#Old Manus Peak Lol, right? When it was actually a peak and not Manus Plateau? They nerfed mountains... those were half my hiding spots! The headglitching sniper was strong in Chromosome Manus Peak... As were mountain climbing rail tanks smh Last I checked head glitching hasn't gone anywhere. And with suit health where it is, and sniper rifle base damage where it is.. goodluck getting headshots from that distance.
I can snipe just fine. I got 6 headshots in a row once. Could hardly believed it myself. I was using the thale and distance was roughly 200 to 300 meters away and all shots were on top of a pipeline. I think its balanced as is.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Ateroith
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
315
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Posted - 2015.10.22 05:53:00 -
[85] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec.
When's the next free respec?
"...Rule #2 - Never start a fight. Rule #3 - Never lose one either." - Lee Child
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
4
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Posted - 2015.10.22 05:54:00 -
[86] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:First Prophet wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR.
F**k you. the SMG + ACR combo is fantastic. Sure, it doesn't have the same range options, but it's damn good at what it does. And that's f**kin' spray. Spray for days. Or you could get some aim, pack a sidearm that compliments your loadout and enjoy the versatility?
Oh you can stop being such a tryharding wh*re, pick the sidearm the compliments the suit bonus, and enjoy the spray.
SPRAY FOR DAYS
Sanmatar Kelkoons now recruiting
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.10.22 08:33:00 -
[87] - Quote
Question: "Should Dust Return to the Misery Grind of Yesterday?"
In one thing, some steps back would be good because actually Dust is now (post November 2014) somewhat grindy - that 750k cap is huge.
A cap of 250k or 300k would be appropriate. It's still bigger than 192k of pre-November 2014.
I'm annoyed that I don't have any time to edit and post my Dust video material, because there's always cap left and the priority goes to The Grind.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Search "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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Dont-be-a-D1CK
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
299
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Posted - 2015.10.22 10:57:00 -
[88] - Quote
KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Question: "Should Dust Return to the Misery Grind of Yesterday?"
In one thing, some steps back would be good because actually Dust is now (post November 2014) somewhat grindy - that 750k cap is huge.
A cap of 250k or 300k would be appropriate. It's still bigger than 192k of pre-November 2014.
I'm annoyed that I don't have any time to edit and post my Dust video material, because there's always cap left and the priority goes to The Grind.
Fun fact :
750k SP cap.. was an error.. when Rattati posted about 3x boosters and the amount that could be earned in a week, he got his panties in a twist, told everyone they could earn X amount of SP a week.. only to realise his math was wrong...
But as it was stated players could earn X amount, they kept the larger SP cap.
That scares me... the SP gain could only have gained that much of a buff, it CCP did not care about it anymore  what does that mean? did they think "dust is dead anyway?" "fck it, we'll reset for Dust 2.0" or "who cares anyway?"
- 750k cap was literally a mistake to begin with, while it allows newbs to earn faster, it has sky-rocketed vets ahead as they have the means to earn WP=SP faster...
CPM tinfoil hattery.. lol.. did you expect no shots fired that Aeon advocates for AR/GA buffs forever.. starts off CPM term while the GA Assault w/AR is the MOST OP fit in game.. regardless how it happened, it looks dodgy  Then ADS, receive knockback reduction w/Swarm nerf.. main benefit here are the pilots like Darth who wreck face anyway, can now do so smoother, and AV.. 90% of tankers have quit tanking.. as it is over-priced and the spam of OP officer gear kills their use.. though Breakin.. advocate for AV gets a nice surprise seeing the weakspot increased...
So, tinfoil it may be.. though it adds up to look like CCP taking direct views from the CPM and acting on it.. we know and they know, there are much more needed changes, so it begs the question...
How much impact do the CPM have with CCP?
Well that was a surprise.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.10.22 13:57:00 -
[89] - Quote
Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:Fun fact : 750k SP cap.. was an error.. when Rattati posted about 3x boosters and the amount that could be earned in a week, he got his panties in a twist, told everyone they could earn X amount of SP a week.. only to realise his math was wrong... But as it was stated players could earn X amount, they kept the larger SP cap. That scares me... the SP gain could only have gained that much of a buff, it CCP did not care about it anymore what does that mean? did they think "dust is dead anyway?" "fck it, we'll reset for Dust 2.0" or "who cares anyway?" - 750k cap was literally a mistake to begin with, while it allows newbs to earn faster, it has sky-rocketed vets ahead as they have the means to earn WP=SP faster... CPM tinfoil hattery.. lol.. did you expect no shots fired that Aeon advocates for AR/GA buffs forever.. starts off CPM term while the GA Assault w/AR is the MOST OP fit in game.. regardless how it happened, it looks dodgy Then ADS, receive knockback reduction w/Swarm nerf.. main benefit here are the pilots like Darth who wreck face anyway, can now do so smoother, and AV.. 90% of tankers have quit tanking.. as it is over-priced and the spam of OP officer gear kills their use.. though Breakin.. advocate for AV gets a nice surprise seeing the weakspot increased... So, tinfoil it may be.. though it adds up to look like CCP taking direct views from the CPM and acting on it.. we know and they know, there are much more needed changes, so it begs the question... How much impact do the CPM have with CCP?
Yes, I remember very well.
And I remember their promise to keep it as one month test period after which there would be discussion whether it should become permanent.
The discussion never happened.
There is one thing I blame CPM1 very strongly:
The wednesday morning when the patch was deployed, CCP finally realised the mistakes in math and omitted/reverted the SP changes - without announcement.
BUT - CPM1 pushed CCP to carry on the changes in announced way. All because a number of people went mad on twitter and few channels for getting disappointed after buying 30-day boosters to exploit the planned 4M weekly SP gain.
So the sin is to push the changes based on miscalculation, instead of just offering reimbursement for those boosters bought in the last 2-5 day period.
The latter would've been the correct course of action, all players' real money would have been respected, and some would've gotten free few days of boosting. But the two years of SP gain and the planned seven year curve wouldn't have been broken.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Search "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2015.10.22 14:08:00 -
[90] - Quote
The KTM Duke wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec. "Your choice matter*" *lol it was a joke, lets turn dust in a P2W and mostly why dont we help FOTM chasers a bit more? Every time i read a post made by you i understand even more why i didnt vote you for CPM
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.25 04:19:00 -
[91] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I have to come bearing gifts and offering if I want you guys to be practical and listen. I don't think being polite and not being a twatbadger constitutes giving a gift... it's just common courtesy.
Ok then....tell me where I was being a "twatbadger"
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2999605#post2999605 - was my first post in this thread. All I said was that I feel that CPMs push their own agendas. I remember going back and forth with one (from the last panel) that actually admitted it on the forums.
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TheD1CK
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Dont-be-a-D1CK wrote:Fun fact : 750k SP cap.. was an error.. when Rattati posted about 3x boosters and the amount that could be earned in a week, he got his panties in a twist, told everyone they could earn X amount of SP a week.. only to realise his math was wrong... But as it was stated players could earn X amount, they kept the larger SP cap. That scares me... the SP gain could only have gained that much of a buff, it CCP did not care about it anymore what does that mean? did they think "dust is dead anyway?" "fck it, we'll reset for Dust 2.0" or "who cares anyway?" - 750k cap was literally a mistake to begin with, while it allows newbs to earn faster, it has sky-rocketed vets ahead as they have the means to earn WP=SP faster... CPM tinfoil hattery.. lol.. did you expect no shots fired that Aeon advocates for AR/GA buffs forever.. starts off CPM term while the GA Assault w/AR is the MOST OP fit in game.. regardless how it happened, it looks dodgy Then ADS, receive knockback reduction w/Swarm nerf.. main benefit here are the pilots like Darth who wreck face anyway, can now do so smoother, and AV.. 90% of tankers have quit tanking.. as it is over-priced and the spam of OP officer gear kills their use.. though Breakin.. advocate for AV gets a nice surprise seeing the weakspot increased... So, tinfoil it may be.. though it adds up to look like CCP taking direct views from the CPM and acting on it.. we know and they know, there are much more needed changes, so it begs the question... How much impact do the CPM have with CCP? Yes, I remember very well. And I remember their promise to keep it as one month test period after which there would be discussion whether it should become permanent. The discussion never happened. There is one thing I blame CPM1 very strongly: The wednesday morning when the patch was deployed, CCP finally realised the mistakes in math and omitted/reverted the SP changes - without announcement. BUT - CPM1 pushed CCP to carry on the changes in announced way. All because a number of people went mad on twitter and few channels for getting disappointed after buying 30-day boosters to exploit the planned 4M weekly SP gain. So the sin is to push the changes based on miscalculation, instead of just offering reimbursement for those boosters bought in the last 2-5 day period. The latter would've been the correct course of action, all players' real money would have been respected, and some would've gotten free few days of boosting. But the two years of SP gain and the planned seven year curve wouldn't have been broken.
*sigh*
You think CCP would have realized by now 90% of their playerbase are selfish twats in it for themselves..
Or even worse, idealists managing -2 games a week but feel their input is valid
The only thing worse than CCP around here is the playerbase.
The cycle continues.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.10.25 12:55:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I have to come bearing gifts and offering if I want you guys to be practical and listen. I don't think being polite and not being a twatbadger constitutes giving a gift... it's just common courtesy. Ok then....tell me where I was being a "twatbadger" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2999605#post2999605 - was my first post in this thread. All I said was that I feel that CPMs push their own agendas. I remember going back and forth with one (from the last panel) that actually admitted it on the forums.
If the CPM DON'T push their own agendas and it's all just tinfoil hattery (which it usually is but yanno, #illuminati) then there really is no point in trying to combat it unless they are actually getting somewhere with what they are proposing. Which, as we'll see later in this post, might not even be their ideals in the first place. Just as well you can at least guarantee that at least five other CPM representatives and CCP looked over it and gave it the 'OK'. Considering how often and how long the CPM debate with one another, there is little to no "agenda" pressing going on because it usually dies the very second one of us even suspects some sort of intent.
But for sake the argument let's say there is an agena there. How do you know it's the CPM's agenda and not CCP's? After all, lot of players believe we have no real power anyway so how could we even press that agenda? According to the grand majority of the community we're just a filter for the forums (community management's job) and a council that gives feedback (your job). Alternatively, if it is the CPM's agenda, how do you know -WHICH- CPM's agenda it is? Lot of times we'll debate internally then some unlucky bastard volunteers himself to post the information. Who gets the flak then, if the only person you readily see posting that internalized 'agenda' is the one guy who perhaps wasn't even the one with the agenda?
More critically, if the CPM really do push their own agendas what can you really do about it?
You could make a thread and try to align the players in the community to agree with you... Which you probably won't, considering that the CPM representatives were voted in by these people in the first place... If you do manage to align them all you can probably guarantee the other representatives they voted in would have already called out the offending rep on it, as I stated earlier. Even more likely CCP would already be aware of it with their "crap detector" radar that is always set to "scrutiny".
Alternatively you could bring it to the attention of CCP directly through a support ticket which will likely go through internal affairs, clog up the system with speculation and circumstantial evidence... preventing them from doing their actual job. Few people have tried this when they realized they had pushed their luck to the limit and got outright blacklisted (ignored) and felt that dealing with the consequences of being a douchelord was unfair. I'm sure Archduke would be ecstatic to at least glance it over because he is, as one player put it, "a glorified CPM with moderator priviledges and pay".
Then again, if a CPM admits to an agenda... Is that sincere and honest or just dismissive and sarcastic? After you hear how much of a douchelord you are on a daily basis, you sort of just start dismissing claims and throwing out whatever cynical response you can think of at the time. If you can't beat them you might as well have some fun with it, right? Hell, I do it all the time. Usually gets me in more trouble than it's worth but at least I get a laugh out of it.
Critical thinking is something I admire in the Dust 514 community but a lot of time it doesn't dig deep enough. Sorta like with the Ewoks in Star Wars. Yeah, they're adorable furry little critters but... no-one ever really stops and puts the pieces together. Like in the scene where they string Han and the gang up on a stick and start seasoning them. This implies that they not only were going to eat them but they had -EXPERIENCE- in cooking up/seasoning a person. They never actually state, "Yeah, Ewoks are demonic little teddy bears who will turn you into a steak at the first opportunity" but dig a little deeper and the answers are pretty clear.
Murderous, furry little bastards...
Anyway, moral of the story: It is highly unlikely that any one CPM has an "agenda" and you'd have to have all seven of them pretty much unanimous on any one thing for it to be a "CPM Agenda" - which is borderline impossible. Even still, that would only serve to devalue the CPM as a whole and CCP might look at that as a sign of the council simply not working and kill it altogether. Which I don't need to remind anyone is more bad than good. Ask the questions, think critically, consider answers and counter-arguments that will be made. It'll go a long way to reducing **** posts.
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