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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.10.18 17:52:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec. smh Thor you're on the right track to what is killing Dust and returning players. APEX's has completely destroyed this games very CONCEPT it was built around - risk vs reward. It used to be a place where casuals got stomped, only the strong survive, etc. HULK THE F UCK UP - ADAPT OR DIE - concepts that have been removed because our community went from us trying to convince CCP to make Dust an MLG game - to being overwhelemed with filthy casuals. And now those filthy casuals have voted in people who support PC port over PS4 port, and believe in further destroying the concepts this game was built upon, while claiming they're doing it for the sake of balance. it's become so idiotic how vets like this have fallen so low just because they never could keep up to begin with.
For clarification, I'm the one that is starkly against APEX BPOs and I believe Thor wants them to be retained. Think there may have been some confusion there.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Thumb Green
Elephant Riders
2
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Posted - 2015.10.18 18:52:00 -
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Misery grind of yesterday? For a lot of players it's not just yesterday, it's today, it's tomorrow and it's 23/7. You keep talking about fun but the only ones really having fun most of the time are the douchebags stomping the ever living sh!t out of whichever team gets the short end of the stick.
CCP needs to do what needs to be done because a lot of the players are too much of a d!ck to show some self control to stop themselves from going balls to the walls against players that just can't compete.
Most of what I see around here is just a bag of dicks in need of some kicks.
Dust really needs its high sec.
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DiablosMajora
338
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Posted - 2015.10.18 19:00:00 -
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I'm confused. When did all this new drama start and what is it all about?
Prepare your angus
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Union118
TH3 STRUGGL3
780
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Posted - 2015.10.18 19:19:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads? BRING BACK BETA DAYS.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Abstract Requiem
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Posted - 2015.10.18 19:23:00 -
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I wish I was around in the glory days of pre-1.8. Heck, I wish I was back in 1.8 right now. Tbh it feels like the game gets worse with every update. The playerbase gets smaller each time.
Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel
Dreis' Minja Blog
CEO of Abstract Requiem
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet RUST415
503
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Posted - 2015.10.18 20:56:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:I wouldn't mind the removal of APEX as long as we get an AUR refund. There's no point to having the other suit/mod BPOs when you have these.
But.....but.....I like my suits. |
First Prophet
Nos Nothi
4
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:06:00 -
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You make some good points about stuff but you're totally wrong about APEX suits.
They aren't helping new players because new players don't have them. You can only get them through wins in FW or by dropping money and new players aren't doing either of those. At least the majority aren't.
Apex suits were fun at first 'cause they let you d!ck around and be an arse for free and break the ISK system in dust, but then you realize you're just limiting yourself to a low tier fit just so you can save ISK which isn't that hard to come by in the first place. So now you have people in Apex fits not really trying just being there for the ISK, when they would probably do better in an Adv fit contributing more to the team.
Sanmatar Kelkoons now recruiting
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy RUST415
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:26:00 -
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Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions?
Helvete NO!!
NO PORT AT ALL!!
CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD |
Dreis ShadowWeaver
Abstract Requiem
8
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:31:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Helvete NO!! NO PORT AT ALL!! CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD I think when people say port, they don't actually mean a direct port. They mean copying the concept, but fully optimised and improved upon so that it really would be a new game.
Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel
Dreis' Minja Blog
CEO of Abstract Requiem
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy RUST415
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:38:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Helvete NO!! NO PORT AT ALL!! CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD I think when people say port, they don't actually mean a direct port. They mean copying the concept, but fully optimised and improved upon so that it really would be a new game.
Honestly boyko :p
After whole that sadomasochistical time spent here im not quite sure XD |
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Jared Fogle
Fake Ancient Exiles. 2.0
189
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:40:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Helvete NO!! NO PORT AT ALL!! CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD I think when people say port, they don't actually mean a direct port. They mean copying the concept, but fully optimised and improved upon so that it really would be a new game.
Don't tell me what I want dried ShadowedBeaver.
I want dust as is, copy and pasted to ps4. Right meow |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:50:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads?
I don't understand the CPMs at all.
Take for example this update.....Gal assault got a ROF buff. I remember asking for ROF mods for cal assaults in the low slots and got a "Hell No" from the community. But the gal assault gets a ROF bonus along with the ability to stack damage mods without sacrificing their primary tank.
Cal got some kick bonus that I can barely tell the difference with when I use the RRs.
I just feel these CPMs are just out for their own agendas. I mean, why would you want to get reduce officer gear at this stage of the game. I think there is a reason why CCP doesn't care anymore and has allowed sp grind to be not be a grind at all. 750K weekly cap, triple stacked sp boosters, etc. Reason because they know the game is going to an end so no point in holding back players. In that same notion....let the officer gear roam freely as well.
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
Check RND out here
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Dergle
Port 514
127
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Posted - 2015.10.18 23:48:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:#Bring back chrome
#Bring back LogiLAVS
#Bring back all the things
#Old Manus Peak
I wish I could like your post more than once xD
Ignore your instincts at your peril.
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Dried ShadowBeaver
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.18 23:49:00 -
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Jared Fogle wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Helvete NO!! NO PORT AT ALL!! CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD I think when people say port, they don't actually mean a direct port. They mean copying the concept, but fully optimised and improved upon so that it really would be a new game. Don't tell me what I want dried ShadowedBeaver. I know you better than you know yourself.
Touch my beaver tail.
Go on.
Touch it.
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Shaun Iwairo
Dust University Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2015.10.19 00:46:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:And it led to an environment where a few dozen people controlled the entire game.
Apex suits were/are possibly the best NPE that CCP provided, it's a toss up between that and autosquadding. There's no future for a game that only a handful of people are capable of competing in. It's no fun being the king of **** mountain.
This is not something I would have expected you to say. It's refreshing, and I believe you. But from what I've read, you seem to support (to me) the aspects of Dust that are keeping the kings at their current position. All the aspects that contribute to the effectiveness of a vet that we can control like stat modifiers, you want left alone. Yet more abstract things like 'players now have the ability to push back by building wealth and using higher tier gear' you seem to encourage.
Say a player trying to make their way up poop mountain runs a fairly modest 50K ISK ADV suit, they'd have to be very careful with how aggressively they push back because 4 or 5 deaths and they're going to be in the red for the match. I'm not saying things are the same as they were before, but building wealth and using higher tiered gear still aren't all that compatible.
I can see your point of view and I agree with the philosophy of reducing the gap between the haves and the have nots, but I haven't really seen it from you through the things you support.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.10.19 00:52:00 -
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Want:
APEX gone, BPOs too. Also the warbarge damage bonus(ah what the hell, let's just blown the whole misbegotten thing the f*ck up). Refund AUR/LP for them.
One respec a year through ISK or AUR while the game is still in beta. No respecs once the game is released in a complete and playable state.
Shared TACNET available only through an off-map deployable asset(say 1500 WP) in FW or PC. Better yet if it's ship-launched from EVE and EVE pilots get TACNET assist points for kills.
Asymmetrical skillpoint & ISK payouts based on the logarithm of the Mu*MetaLvl ratio difference - this would pay all of us, noob and vet alike, for running lower tier gear.
Mercs entering real contract agreements when we take on a pub job, with appropriate binders, penalties and sureties of performance, balanced by lucrative bonus incentives for those who give their contractual employers good value. A real record of performance that follows mercs around when they're looking for pub jobs. This would be the game design counterbalance to running cheap suits for the asymmetrical payouts detailed above. Now, if you're such hot sh!t that you & your squad can run lower tier gear and still deliver the wins then you're golden and can fund your PC/FW habit while blowing through an embarrassing quantity of mindflood, exotic dancers, damsels and slaver hounds..
That's a beginning, but there's a whole universe of such New Eden-like miseries i'd love to visit upon this game.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.19 01:27:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:And it led to an environment where a few dozen people controlled the entire game.
Apex suits were/are possibly the best NPE that CCP provided, it's a toss up between that and autosquadding. There's no future for a game that only a handful of people are capable of competing in. It's no fun being the king of **** mountain. This is not something I would have expected you to say. It's refreshing, and I believe you. But from what I've read, you seem to support (to me) the aspects of Dust that are keeping the kings at their current position. All the aspects that contribute to the effectiveness of a vet that we can control like stat modifiers, you want left alone. Yet more abstract things like 'players now have the ability to push back by building wealth and using higher tier gear' you seem to encourage. Say a player trying to make their way up poop mountain runs a fairly modest 50K ISK ADV suit, they'd have to be very careful with how aggressively they push back because 4 or 5 deaths and they're going to be in the red for the match. I'm not saying things are the same as they were before, but building wealth and using higher tiered gear still aren't all that compatible. I can see your point of view and I agree with the philosophy of reducing the gap between the haves and the have nots, but I haven't really seen it from you through the things you support.
You just don't understand where I'm coming from and that's more than likely my fault. I'm an extremely bitter vet.
After getting worked up in this thread and others recently I've decided to step away. I'm a grown man with a good job and a wonderful family. This game has only made me a worse person in real life. It's cold turkey time.
I won't be back on the PS3. If it makes it to the PS4 I'll come check it out. No way I can handle it on the PC, I am a CAD designer so I'd probably lose everything to this addicting ass game if it were only one click away from my work.
Good riddance to all you sorry bastards!
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Shaun Iwairo
Dust University Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2015.10.19 01:45:00 -
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That is a bit annoying. Just as I start to understand you and maybe even begin to like you, you go away.
Maybe keep all your stuff just in case CCP turn it around?
Something is killing new player retention.
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.19 01:48:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:That is a bit annoying. Just as I start to understand you and maybe even begin to like you, you go away.
Maybe keep all your stuff just in case CCP turn it around?
No doubt, I wouldn't do that. FYI you have no idea how many times I've posted about how crazy it is that losing 5 ADV suits means no profit in a match. Only a certifiable idiot wouldn't be able to see how that created the passive, hoarding mentality that plagues Dust today.
I'd wager I've posted about it somewhere between 500 and a 1000 times.
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 02:53:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Say a player trying to make their way up poop mountain runs a fairly modest 50K ISK ADV suit,.
That's a pretty bad fit in all honesty
Don't try to dual tank the fit. You've got speed and shield regen, try switching out the ferro's for some regulators.
I would run 2x Shield, 1x Recharger, 1x Damage mod, 2x regulator, 1x kincat, 1x ferro.
An excellent blend of speed, damage, and regen.
Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR.
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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Aeon Amadi
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 03:01:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads? I don't understand the CPMs at all. Take for example this update.....Gal assault got a ROF buff. I remember asking for ROF mods for cal assaults in the low slots and got a "Hell No" from the community. But the gal assault gets a ROF bonus along with the ability to stack damage mods without sacrificing their primary tank. Cal got some kick bonus that I can barely tell the difference with when I use the RRs. I just feel these CPMs are just out for their own agendas. I mean, why would you want to get reduce officer gear at this stage of the game. I think there is a reason why CCP doesn't care anymore and has allowed sp grind to be not be a grind at all. 750K weekly cap, triple stacked sp boosters, etc. Reason because they know the game is going to an end so no point in holding back players. In that same notion....let the officer gear roam freely as well.
Half the time you guys say we don't have any real power and then you post stuff like this essentially blaming us for the changes you disagreed with. Which is it? Do we have power to advocate these changes or do we not? If not, then why follow up with "CPM agenda"? If we do, then why would you believe for a second that anything less than all seven of us weighed in on any given topic?
Gal Assault got an RoF buff when the Assault Rifle needed a buff. Every variant of the Assault rifle was under-performing, not just one or two. Maybe that'll change with the Gal Assault buff, who knows. But you can drop that "CPM agenda" **** at the door, lol.
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Shaun Iwairo
Dust University Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2015.10.19 03:14:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Say a player trying to make their way up poop mountain runs a fairly modest 50K ISK ADV suit,. That's a pretty bad fit in all honesty Don't try to dual tank the fit. You've got speed and shield regen, try switching out the ferro's for some regulators. I would run 2x Shield, 1x Recharger, 1x Damage mod, 2x regulator, 1x kincat, 1x ferro. An excellent blend of speed, damage, and regen. Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR.
Thanks for the advice. I'm a completely useless slayer (probably due to bad fittings :P ) but I might try it out. I was going to start a whole new thread for this but while I've got you, do you know which weapons/variations have optics rather than iron sights?
Something is killing new player retention.
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
2
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Posted - 2015.10.19 03:25:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Take away the ps3...
Then port it.
#PortDust514
Annnyways!
Why do you ask these questions? Helvete NO!! NO PORT AT ALL!! CCP make new game (EvE fps) like Dust 514 (BUT WHAT IS NOT BROKEN AND FULLY OPTIMIZED) for Ps4 XD I think when people say port, they don't actually mean a direct port. They mean copying the concept, but fully optimised and improved upon so that it really would be a new game.
Battlefront man. They had ship to ship combat over a decade ago. Boarding actions, vehicle combat. Dust is pretty much a rip off of a ps2 game. Spruced up with some spreadsheets.
Crush them
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 04:09:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Say a player trying to make their way up poop mountain runs a fairly modest 50K ISK ADV suit,. That's a pretty bad fit in all honesty Don't try to dual tank the fit. You've got speed and shield regen, try switching out the ferro's for some regulators. I would run 2x Shield, 1x Recharger, 1x Damage mod, 2x regulator, 1x kincat, 1x ferro. An excellent blend of speed, damage, and regen. Oh, and the SMG + ACR is redundant. I would recommend running a flaylock instead, or switching the ACR to a burst CR. Thanks for the advice. I'm a completely useless slayer (probably due to bad fittings :P ) but I might try it out. I was going to start a whole new thread for this but while I've got you, do you know which weapons/variations have optics rather than iron sights?
Following light weapons have optics:
Rail Rifle Scrambler Rifle Laser RIfle Assault Scrambler Rifle Tactical Assault Rifle Burst Assault Rifle Combat Rifle
All Mass Drivers All Sniper Rifles
Send me a mail in game, if you have any questions I'll see if I can hop in a squad with ya.
I'm fine with every new player who actually wants to learn. I'm only a jerk to those who want everything nerfed without actually trying to improve themselves.
Bring yourself up, not everything around you down.
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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Shaun Iwairo
Dust University Ivy League
190
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Posted - 2015.10.19 04:18:00 -
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Thanks! I'm in a funny spot cos technically I'm a closed beta vet, but I've only played sporadically except for the past few months where I've really jumped back in. Never played at any level that would be considered competitive - I've had one or two FW matches and I enjoyed them because the emphasis was on PTFO. I feel like I've really got my head around logi but that's about it.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.19 04:52:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads? I don't understand the CPMs at all. Take for example this update.....Gal assault got a ROF buff. I remember asking for ROF mods for cal assaults in the low slots and got a "Hell No" from the community. But the gal assault gets a ROF bonus along with the ability to stack damage mods without sacrificing their primary tank. Cal got some kick bonus that I can barely tell the difference with when I use the RRs. I just feel these CPMs are just out for their own agendas. I mean, why would you want to get reduce officer gear at this stage of the game. I think there is a reason why CCP doesn't care anymore and has allowed sp grind to be not be a grind at all. 750K weekly cap, triple stacked sp boosters, etc. Reason because they know the game is going to an end so no point in holding back players. In that same notion....let the officer gear roam freely as well. Half the time you guys say we don't have any real power and then you post stuff like this essentially blaming us for the changes you disagreed with. Which is it? Do we have power to advocate these changes or do we not? If not, then why follow up with "CPM agenda"? If we do, then why would you believe for a second that anything less than all seven of us weighed in on any given topic? Gal Assault got an RoF buff when the Assault Rifle needed a buff. Every variant of the Assault rifle was under-performing, not just one or two. Maybe that'll change with the Gal Assault buff, who knows. But you can drop that "CPM agenda" **** at the door, lol.
Don't quote me and say that I said things that I never said. I have never said the CPMs had no power. Why would I even think that when Kane was the one who got passive ISK removed from pc?
You guys didn't buff ARs. You buffed the gallente suit. You gave it a very impactful bonus. If you would have buffed ARs then you would have buffed them so that all suits can benefit from the ROF increase just like CCP did when they buffed it from 750 rpm to 800 rpm.
You know the difference too because Caldari didn't get a shield buff. ALL of the suits got a shield buff (minus a few heavy exceptions). Point being Caldari and minmatar wasn't the only one that benefited...gallente and amarr benefitted from this hotfix. Gal assault used to have a shield recharge delay of 6 and a depleted delay of 10...and what is it now?
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
Check RND out here
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Aeon Amadi
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 04:59:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
You guys didn't buff ARs. You buffed the gallente suit. You gave it a very impactful bonus.
You know that for a fact, do you?
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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Aeon Amadi
13
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Posted - 2015.10.19 05:00:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
You know the difference too because Caldari didn't get a shield buff. ALL of the suits got a shield buff (minus a few heavy exceptions). Point being Caldari and minmatar wasn't the only one that benefited...gallente and amarr benefitted from this hotfix. Gal assault used to have a shield recharge delay of 6 and a depleted delay of 10...and what is it now?
Did you skip over the part where we clearly mentioned that the shield changes were a step-by-step process and that step one was never meant to address everything or did you pocket that and save it for when you wanted to ***** about the CPM?
Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog
Skype: nomistrav
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.10.19 05:30:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust?
Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with?
Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads?
I am getting tired of pointing out one relatively small and one small and extremely easy to implement trading improvement. Tired because on the threads the attitude is "How DARE you ask for this, not every player trades always. You are wasting dev time, instead of that trading bug fix devs should fix framerate next week for good."
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Seach "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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Jared Fogle
Fake Ancient Exiles. 2.0
189
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Posted - 2015.10.19 05:32:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
You guys didn't buff ARs. You buffed the gallente suit. You gave it a very impactful bonus.
You know that for a fact, do you?
Did you write the code ? Did you physically or visually see it done?
Ratatitties arm must get tired from being crammed up your azz like a puppet master Baiter. |
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