DUST Search - Should Dust Return to the Misery Grind of Yesterday?

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Bright Cloud wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Bright Cloud wrote:

Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit?

I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play.

I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts.

Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away.

If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC.

The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches.

It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire.

Mountains out of molehills.

Or mountains made to molehills.

Question for you, Bright Cloud - on the assumption we sell SP for 1m SP per $1... Considering that there would only be about $300 worth of SP to purchase, why even have the skill system for any reason other than to create a barrier for non-paying players? Why have boosters if their only purpose to advance SP gains when you could just buy the SP outright? Why have the respec tokens for any reason than to redistribute your 296m SP right back into the same exact skills that they are required for?

Or do you just criticize others without thinking about the other side of your own proposals?

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Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:09:00 - [1] - Quote My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust? Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with? Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads? "Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing." -Captain Obvious
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood 438	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:12:00 - [2] - Quote Take away the ps3... Then port it. #PortDust514 Annnyways! Why do you ask these questions? Forever ADS. Best role.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:15:00 - [3] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: Take away the ps3... Then port it. #PortDust514 Annnyways! Why do you ask these questions? Don't discount the power of a CPM member on a witch hunt. ADS is a flying ISK sink because of a CPM member. "Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing." -Captain Obvious
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:27:00 - [4] - Quote I wouldn't mind the removal of APEX as long as we get an AUR refund. There's no point to having the other suit/mod BPOs when you have these. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:30:00 - [5] - Quote If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
ANON Cerberus TerranProtossZerg 854	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:33:00 - [6] - Quote #Bring back chrome #Bring back LogiLAVS #Bring back all the things #Old Manus Peak
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:35:00 - [7] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: #Bring back chrome #Bring back LogiLAVS #Bring back all the things #Old Manus Peak Lol, right? When it was actually a peak and not Manus Plateau? Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Regnier Feros Dead Man's Game 933	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:37:00 - [8] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I wouldn't mind the removal of APEX as long as we get an AUR refund. There's no point to having the other suit/mod BPOs when you have these. AUR refund? What about LP REFUND?! I LIKE PIE
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:39:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: #Bring back chrome #Bring back LogiLAVS #Bring back all the things #Old Manus Peak Lol, right? When it was actually a peak and not Manus Plateau? Especially since we've pretty much addressed the gameplay issues that made the old version exploitable. It'd be nice to have a map that was something other than a flat plain or a bowl. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
The KTM Duke Capital Acquisitions LLC 970	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:45:00 - [10] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec. "Your choice matter" lol it was a joke, lets turn dust in a P2W and mostly why dont we help FOTM chasers a bit more? Every time i read a post made by you i understand even more why i didnt vote you for CPM // H0riz0n Unlimit // Gallente Assault since 28/7/2013 // YouGotKilledByAGuyWithFramerateDrops

Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:46:00 - [11] - Quote The KTM Duke wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec. "Your choice matter" lol it was a joke, lets turn dust in a P2W and mostly why dont we help FOTM chasers a bit more? Every time i read a post made bu you i understand even more why i didnt vote you for CPM And yet, here I am. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:50:00 - [12] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Joel II X wrote: I wouldn't mind the removal of APEX as long as we get an AUR refund. There's no point to having the other suit/mod BPOs when you have these. AUR refund? What about LP REFUND?! What about it? I imagine it would be easier and less time consuming giving AUR back rather than checking to see if it's LP or AUR, then giving out both isk and LP, or AUR. Because it's easier and less time consuming, it's far more probable to happen (even if it won't). *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood 438	Posted - 2015.10.18 14:51:00 - [13] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: Take away the ps3... Then port it. #PortDust514 Annnyways! Why do you ask these questions? Don't discount the power of a CPM member on a witch hunt. ADS is a flying ISK sink because of a CPM member. Hmm... That makes me sad :( had to hit me right in the heart w/ that one. Im aware that the ADS is a floating coffin. But, it's been better since Fox.. Was it hotfix bravo or Charlie that caused the grounding and mass respec out of ADS? A damn shame :( Forever ADS. Best role.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 15:18:00 - [14] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust? Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with? Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads? What's made you start this thread? Edit: never mind, just read the other thread.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.18 15:32:00 - [15] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec. I don't know whats going on but...... RIOT Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 261	Posted - 2015.10.18 15:41:00 - [16] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust? Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with? Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads? No respecs for Aurum only? I agree with that. Otherwise it's pay to win. Apex suits helped people build up that bankroll and severely reduced risk vs reward. Having them gone would be a good thing. Some of us were here for the harsh environment to play in. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.18 15:48:00 - [17] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec. Noted, I honestly just want to see Dust become better. I want to see Dust appeal to more people with these teamwork and social tools, with the endless number of fitting combinations and play styles. Those are the things that make Dust different. I don't care about the economy at this stage, why does it matter if none of the market prices change and we can only sell/trade a small percentage of items? There are so many things wrong with Dust, but we have our representatives worried about one of the only things that keeps people logging in. Start a feedback thread on getting people to fight in matches. "Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing." -Captain Obvious
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 15:50:00 - [18] - Quote Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.18 15:52:00 - [19] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: My PTSD from dealing with Soroya Xel has been awakened by Aeon so I'd like to ask how many people want a return to the No Respec, No APEX days of Dust? Should we also take away trading as that's something else people have fun with? Anything else that would be considered fun that we should take away? Comms, Squads? No respecs for Aurum only? I agree with that. Otherwise it's pay to win. Apex suits helped people build up that bankroll and severely reduced risk vs reward. Having them gone would be a good thing. Some of us were here for the harsh environment to play in. And it led to an environment where a few dozen people controlled the entire game. Apex suits were/are possibly the best NPE that CCP provided, it's a toss up between that and autosquadding. There's no future for a game that only a handful of people are capable of competing in. It's no fun being the king of **** mountain. "Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing." -Captain Obvious
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 410	Posted - 2015.10.18 15:56:00 - [20] - Quote It's really confusing that somehow conversation about meta locks turns into: OMGZ dey gunna take our proto away!?! Oh lets remove trading too huh?? Will nevar be able play again bcuz of queue times!! Take away respecs??!! More fotm encouraged?!!? Squads r worse then proto!! Oh no take away APEX too?! It will Make Dust P2W!!?? Literally the only thing I proposed in my thread was a MU cutoff so that STARTER players aren't forced to fight against MAX level/gear players. What game allows theoretical level 1s to fight MAX level characters without any stat balancing mechanic? In most basic examples, MMO games will boost your stats to base max level if you're not there. In other games you can't even join pvp matches unless you're in the right gear or level tier. It's interesting to watch vets hold on to proto in pubs for dear life, so much so they are willing to scapegoat squad mechanics over performance disparity. If squad mechanics break games then why does EVERY multiplayer shooter allow squads? Every modern day multiplayer FPS has squads. Not a single modern day multiplayer game pits absolute noobs against the absolute max level/geared players. Yet the conclusion exists squads hurt gameplay more. Why then is there never a post about "nerf squads" yet every day there are threads asking for proto to be removed from normal pub play? Maybe if I had proto and had the chance to use it against starter fits, I too would make you pry it from my cold dead hands. But just because you enjoy the advantage and ease of killing noobs, doesn't make it a tried and true mechanic vital to core gameplay. Squads on the other hand, definitely are vital to this style of game. Kinda sad people would rather see comms and squads gone before introducing a meta tier lock mechanic.

Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:00:00 - [21] - Quote Nah man it should be even more convienient for players to get SP. If you pay 100$ to CCP you should get 100 million SP instantly. The buisness modell should look like this: 25$= 25 million SP 50$= 50 million SP 75$= 75 million SP 100$= 100 million SP Granted way to make the horrible experience on this a little less horrible. Or more for those who grinded hard previously. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:05:00 - [22] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play. I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts. Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away. If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC. The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches. It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire. "Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing." -Captain Obvious
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:09:00 - [23] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play. I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts. Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away. If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC. The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches. It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire. Mountains out of molehills. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:11:00 - [24] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play. I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts. Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away. If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC. The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches. It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire. Mountains out of molehills. Or mountains made to molehills. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Vesta Opalus PROJECT OF KILLERS. RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:15:00 - [25] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: Take away the ps3... Then port it. #PortDust514 Annnyways! Why do you ask these questions? Don't discount the power of a CPM member on a witch hunt. ADS is a flying ISK sink because of a CPM member. Quick reminder that you still see ADS in every PC because they are still effective and valuable contributors to the team. But keep on crying about it.
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:15:00 - [26] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play. I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts. Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away. If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC. The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches. It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire. Mountains out of molehills. Or mountains made to molehills. Question for you, Bright Cloud - on the assumption we sell SP for 1m SP per $1... Considering that there would only be about $300 worth of SP to purchase, why even have the skill system for any reason other than to create a barrier for non-paying players? Why have boosters if their only purpose to advance SP gains when you could just buy the SP outright? Why have the respec tokens for any reason than to redistribute your 296m SP right back into the same exact skills that they are required for? Or do you just criticize others without thinking about the other side of your own proposals? Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:24:00 - [27] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play. I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts. Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away. If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC. The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches. It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire. Mountains out of molehills. Or mountains made to molehills. Question for you, Bright Cloud - on the assumption we sell SP for 1m SP per $1... Considering that there would only be about $300 worth of SP to purchase, why even have the skill system for any reason other than to create a barrier for non-paying players? Why have boosters if their only purpose to advance SP gains when you could just buy the SP outright? Why have the respec tokens for any reason than to redistribute your 296m SP right back into the same exact skills that they are required for? Or do you just criticize others without thinking about the other side of your own proposals? Just for the record, I'm with you on this one. "Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing." -Captain Obvious
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:25:00 - [28] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: Take away the ps3... Then port it. #PortDust514 Annnyways! Why do you ask these questions? l Don't discount the power of a CPM member on a witch hunt. ADS is a flying ISK sink because of a CPM member. Quick reminder that you still see ADS in every PC because they are still effective and valuable contributors to the team. But keep on crying about it. Right because dropping 3-5 mil in a match for the handful of players good enough to use them makes them in a great place. "Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing." -Captain Obvious
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:50:00 - [29] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Grind? Just dont play the game, upgrade to a PS4 and find yourself a new game to play on that. Its not really hard isnit? I've already got a PS4. I'm on my last leg here. You won't have to worry about me volunteering to be a representative of a game that I no longer play. I've just never been able to quit. That fun match that you get once in a while somehow renews my passion for the game. You have years of evidence to look at. The risk/reward mechanics that people seem to romance about created an environment much more harsh than the one people whine about today. Mechanics that prevented any shift in power. The only times anything changed were periods of time after burnouts. Players finally have the ability to build wealth and utilize higher tier gear to push back against those they despise and they want to see it stripped away. If these mechanics with PC, FW, and Trading existed in May of 2013 this game would be much different. You'd have average corps with larger numbers providing a balance against elite corps and starter corps able to introduce their players to PC with raids. Corporations would have been able to train as a team all day in FW and several times per day through raids in PC. The mechanics that we pleaded for from the start are here and all anybody can do is complain about proto and how hard it is to solo matches. It's just a shame and on my way out I'm pulling a Jerry McGuire. Mountains out of molehills. Or mountains made to molehills. Question for you, Bright Cloud - on the assumption we sell SP for 1m SP per $1... Considering that there would only be about $300 worth of SP to purchase, why even have the skill system for any reason other than to create a barrier for non-paying players? Why have boosters if their only purpose to advance SP gains when you could just buy the SP outright? Why have the respec tokens for any reason than to redistribute your 296m SP right back into the same exact skills that they are required for? Or do you just criticize others without thinking about the other side of your own proposals? Why have skill boosters and payd respecs this late into the game. You and i know that the playerbase is very low and providing a instant SP boost would help new players more and screw vets over that have grinded until they have lost their soul. And when you gonna spill the beans that this game will stop beeing supported next year? WHOOPSY! Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:56:00 - [30] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: If you're going to try to start a riot against me, at least be accurate with your claims. I'm not against respecs. In fact, I advocated that players receive a free yearly respec. smh Thor you're on the right track to what is killing Dust and returning players. APEX's has completely destroyed this games very CONCEPT it was built around - risk vs reward. It used to be a place where casuals got stomped, only the strong survive, etc. HULK THE FUCK UP - ADAPT OR DIE - concepts that have been removed because our community went from us trying to convince CCP to make Dust an MLG game - to being overwhelemed with filthy casuals. And now those filthy casuals have voted in people who support PC port over PS4 port, and believe in further destroying the concepts this game was built upon, while claiming they're doing it for the sake of balance. it's become so idiotic how vets like this have fallen so low just because they never could keep up to begin with.



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