You get 0.5 loyalty rank points per unit of aurum spent. Purchasing it doesn't do anything, you need to actually spend it.

A merc pack should easily take you to rank 2.


If you don't want to buy AUR, the rates of earning are:

Logging In Daily = 5 Loyalty Rank Points
Fighting in a battle = 1 Loyalty Rank Point
Winning the battle = +3 Loyalty Rank Points
Every 500 WP earned in battle = +1 Loyalty Rank Point

wow they really need to fix that, you're basically gaining nothing with how much you have to get, but then again I shouldn't complain I am lvl 10 hehehehe

It reportedly takes over 2 million loyalty rank points to reach rank 14.

This led me to perform some calculations.

It takes over 2 million points to reach level 14 from 13.

Fighting in a battle earns 1 loyalty rank point.
Winning that battle earns you 3.
500 WP in that battle earns you 1.

Therefore, if every single match a newly minted LR13 player played from this point onwards was a win in which he scored 3000 WP (unlikely) it would take them 200,000 battles to reach the next rank.


200,000 battles. Two hundred thousand. If each of those was over very quickly, in 10 minutes (which is also highly unlikely as many matches take 20 or so), it would take 34,000 hours of playtime to reach the next rank.

That is completely preposterous. There is absolutely no way anybody could possibly meet those requirements through gameplay. Absolutely none.That's 1400 days (4 years) of sitting at the PS3 from downtime to downtime, never sleeping or eating except for 10 minute breaks through downtime.

Not only is it 1400 days of doing that, it's doing that with an absolutely extraordinary standard of performance.


THIS ISN'T EVEN THE HIGHEST RANK.

Now, Cross volunteered himself on Skype as a victim, so we're going to calculate roughly how long it'd take him to reach LR14 from LR13 (which he isn't at yet).
Cross suggests he might play 4 hours a day. So...

Managing 3 matches an hour with a 2:1 W/L ratio and a score of 1500 WP in every single match, it would take our good man Cross over 90 years to reach this point.

To reach LR14 (not the highest rank) he would need to become the oldest man who ever lived, whilst managing 4 hours of DUST a day, every day, at a good level of performance, for almost a century. This assumes that even as he ails and begins to die, he is still playing DUST to a solid level of performance for 4 hours a day.


On the bright side, if he has a priest reading Genesis 3:19 at his funeral, it will take on a very special meaning indeed.

"For dust you are, and to dust, you will return."

TBF loyalty ranks aren't really that great. I'm wholeheartedly against using them as a metric to unlock meaningful content without revamping them, though, because the only way to realistically attain higher ranks is to buy aurum.

As an example, I believe Grand Master Kubo, a fellow who won 3 (IIRC) officer weapons through the events and who (last I checked) was somewhere in the top 10 for lifetime stats, is LR6/7. My memory is a little hazy on this, admittedly.

I've never actually encountered a rank 15. I've seen a Field Marshal which I believe is rank 14, and I've talked with a Marshal which is 13, but at that stage the requirements for ranking up are just obscene.

I did some calculations on this in another post.



Chatting with people on Skype later led me to run some numbers on a slightly more realistic scenario.

Wow I had no idea it was aurum spent. That's incredibly helpful. So a follow up question - I've been conserving my aur for awhile (week or two) and have about 5k. What is the best thing to spend it on? I don't want to buy gear or fittings that are expendable. Besides skins, what do people spend their aur on most commonly?

Wow I had no idea it was aurum spent. That's incredibly helpful. So a follow up question - I've been conserving my aur for awhile (week or two) and have about 5k. What is the best thing to spend it on? I don't want to buy gear or fittings that are expendable. Besides skins, what do people spend their aur on most commonly?

Actually, if you want to get something worth your while, with just 5k aurum, go buy some torchflare kaalakiota forge guns and sell them back. If you have what's her name that gives you the 15% bonus to market transactions then it's worth your while, you can get about 1.5 mil or so isk out of the deal.

As far as boosters go you'd only be able to get 1 day, and IMO it's not really worth it.

The thing which you are referring to is the Jara Kumora 'market assistant'.

Unfortunately, that actually costs AUR. I think it's significantly more than 5k, as well.
Salvage sellback prices improve with loyaltry rank, as well, so I don't think this is the best plan.

It's a neat trick, but it doesn't really work for newbies.

Those numbers are skewed now that you get free aurum for just logging in every day. Recalculate, nao

When I was new, I bought a whole shedload of BPOs. That's basically useless advice to you, though, because when I was new individual BPOs costed 40 AUR. I'm going to make a killing when trading comes out because I have hundreds and hundreds of BPOs on one of my characters.

I also bought boosters. They're a nice boost to your early game growth. You might consider getting a couple of BPOs if there's stuff you really like available in BPO format, but I'm not sure that's advisable because BPOs are extremely expensive and take a very long time to actually earn that investment back.

If you're going to buy AUR, I think I'd recommend buying a merc pack and a couple of boosters or perhaps skins. I know you use Gal med frames a lot so maybe a skin for that would actually be worth it if you like them.

Or the Gal Assault Pack. It's $4.99 and you get 100 of each Adv and Proto Suit for Scout, Logi, and Assault. Plus you get Shot guns, AR's and PLCS as well as some mods. I think it would be a good investment since he runs the Gal med frames.

The 50k AUR 'APEX' suits are permanent. They're ADV suit BPOs with a full BPO fit included with them. You can lose them infinitely and the prefit will still be usable at no cost to you.

If you mean the 50 AUR prefit suits, no, those are single use and also pretty terrible, IMHO.

I'm not sure why Gal skins are more expensive. Strange and arcane reasonings, vOv.

I think the main source of BPOs for AUR in the marketplace is indeed the militia area. IIRC there are still some available in the standard dropsuits section as well, though. Quafe BPOs, which come in obnoxious pink and green, can be found in strongboxes and are standard tier.


It's amusing to me that you dislike the scanner bonus on the logi because scouts scream bloody murder about it and desperately want it nerfed.

The Galassault and AR will shortly become very strong indeed, so I wouldn't worry about that.
If you want to betray me ;_; really regret your choice, though, respecs cost just under 40k AUR, which I think is affordable with a merc pack. When you're new it's probably better to just buy boosters instead and spec into the new stuff, though.


In general CCP's monetisation options are sorta lacking. If you're going to play semi-regularly I think boosters may be your best bet at your level.

Once BPO trading comes in, though, I'll see if I can send you an Exile AR (standard AR blueprint) and a couple of other things, but that hinges on me being at home at some point soon which is unlikely.

Scanners earn you points if you run in a squad.

If you have a scanned target and a squadmate kills it, it gets you "Intel Kill Assist +15". This can stack up quickly with assists and guardian points if you're running support for a squad with a defend order on you.


And bless you sir. Out of curiosity, do you have Skype? I and a good few other folks gather there for text chat.

Send me a contact request at 'arkenai'. Or Arkena Wyrnspire. I should come up.