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Daemonn Adima
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Posted - 2015.09.25 16:46:00 -
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Currently rank 1 as a new clone. I want to get into trading/buying/selling but need to attain rank 2. Does anyone know exactly what it takes to level up, besides the cryptic "logging in, fighting and buying aurum". As in, how much aurum do I have to buy to go up a rank?
Or rather what's the aurum purchased to Loyalty Rank points gained ratio? |
Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.09.25 16:48:00 -
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You get 0.5 loyalty rank points per unit of aurum spent. Purchasing it doesn't do anything, you need to actually spend it.
A merc pack should easily take you to rank 2.
If you don't want to buy AUR, the rates of earning are:
Logging In Daily = 5 Loyalty Rank Points
Fighting in a battle = 1 Loyalty Rank Point
Winning the battle = +3 Loyalty Rank Points
Every 500 WP earned in battle = +1 Loyalty Rank Point
Don't plan on going very far without buying aurum, though. Luckily rank 2 is attainable, but it would literally take centuries of playing 10 hours a day with great stats to reach max LR.
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Harbingerof War
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Posted - 2015.09.25 16:49:00 -
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the only way is to just buy aurum. Usually it's around 10,000 to 20,000 aurum.
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Maitue Mae
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Posted - 2015.09.25 16:49:00 -
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I don't think anyone knows, to be honest.
edit: Oh, nevermind! Looks like I am learning stuff as well.
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Hector Carson
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Posted - 2015.09.25 16:52:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:You get 0.5 loyalty rank points per unit of aurum spent. Purchasing it doesn't do anything, you need to actually spend it.
A merc pack should easily take you to rank 2.
If you don't want to buy AUR, the rates of earning are:
Logging In Daily = 5 Loyalty Rank Points
Fighting in a battle = 1 Loyalty Rank Point
Winning the battle = +3 Loyalty Rank Points
Every 500 WP earned in battle = +1 Loyalty Rank Point
wow they really need to fix that, you're basically gaining nothing with how much you have to get, but then again I shouldn't complain I am lvl 10 hehehehe
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:00:00 -
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Hector Carson wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:You get 0.5 loyalty rank points per unit of aurum spent. Purchasing it doesn't do anything, you need to actually spend it.
A merc pack should easily take you to rank 2.
If you don't want to buy AUR, the rates of earning are:
Logging In Daily = 5 Loyalty Rank Points
Fighting in a battle = 1 Loyalty Rank Point
Winning the battle = +3 Loyalty Rank Points
Every 500 WP earned in battle = +1 Loyalty Rank Point wow they really need to fix that, you're basically gaining nothing with how much you have to get, but then again I shouldn't complain I am lvl 10 hehehehe
TBF loyalty ranks aren't really that great. I'm wholeheartedly against using them as a metric to unlock meaningful content without revamping them, though, because the only way to realistically attain higher ranks is to buy aurum.
As an example, I believe Grand Master Kubo, a fellow who won 3 (IIRC) officer weapons through the events and who (last I checked) was somewhere in the top 10 for lifetime stats, is LR6/7. My memory is a little hazy on this, admittedly.
I've never actually encountered a rank 15. I've seen a Field Marshal which I believe is rank 14, and I've talked with a Marshal which is 13, but at that stage the requirements for ranking up are just obscene.
I did some calculations on this in another post.
EDIT 2: These calculations are outdated. It was later found that you need 3 million LRP, not 2 million. Updated calculations can be found further down the page.
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
It reportedly takes over 2 million loyalty rank points to reach rank 14.
This led me to perform some calculations.
It takes over 2 million points to reach level 14 from 13.
Fighting in a battle earns 1 loyalty rank point.
Winning that battle earns you 3.
500 WP in that battle earns you 1.
Therefore, if every single match a newly minted LR13 player played from this point onwards was a win in which he scored 3000 WP (unlikely) it would take them 200,000 battles to reach the next rank.
200,000 battles. Two hundred thousand. If each of those was over very quickly, in 10 minutes (which is also highly unlikely as many matches take 20 or so), it would take 34,000 hours of playtime to reach the next rank.
That is completely preposterous. There is absolutely no way anybody could possibly meet those requirements through gameplay. Absolutely none.That's 1400 days (4 years) of sitting at the PS3 from downtime to downtime, never sleeping or eating except for 10 minute breaks through downtime.
Not only is it 1400 days of doing that, it's doing that with an absolutely extraordinary standard of performance.
THIS ISN'T EVEN THE HIGHEST RANK.
Chatting with people on Skype later led me to run some numbers on a slightly more realistic scenario.
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Now, Cross volunteered himself on Skype as a victim, so we're going to calculate roughly how long it'd take him to reach LR14 from LR13 (which he isn't at yet).
Cross suggests he might play 4 hours a day. So...
Managing 3 matches an hour with a 2:1 W/L ratio and a score of 1500 WP in every single match, it would take our good man Cross over 90 years to reach this point.
To reach LR14 (not the highest rank) he would need to become the oldest man who ever lived, whilst managing 4 hours of DUST a day, every day, at a good level of performance, for almost a century. This assumes that even as he ails and begins to die, he is still playing DUST to a solid level of performance for 4 hours a day.
On the bright side, if he has a priest reading Genesis 3:19 at his funeral, it will take on a very special meaning indeed.
"For dust you are, and to dust, you will return."
EDIT: Do note that I have the '2 million LRP' statistic second-hand. It's hard to find people with that ranking, but the last one I spoke to said he needed 2 million.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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Daemonn Adima
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:01:00 -
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Wow I had no idea it was aurum spent. That's incredibly helpful. So a follow up question - I've been conserving my aur for awhile (week or two) and have about 5k. What is the best thing to spend it on? I don't want to buy gear or fittings that are expendable. Besides skins, what do people spend their aur on most commonly? |
Daemonn Adima
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:03:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Hector Carson wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:You get 0.5 loyalty rank points per unit of aurum spent. Purchasing it doesn't do anything, you need to actually spend it.
A merc pack should easily take you to rank 2.
If you don't want to buy AUR, the rates of earning are:
Logging In Daily = 5 Loyalty Rank Points
Fighting in a battle = 1 Loyalty Rank Point
Winning the battle = +3 Loyalty Rank Points
Every 500 WP earned in battle = +1 Loyalty Rank Point wow they really need to fix that, you're basically gaining nothing with how much you have to get, but then again I shouldn't complain I am lvl 10 hehehehe TBF loyalty ranks aren't really that great. I'm wholeheartedly against using them as a metric to unlock meaningful content without revamping them, though, because the only way to realistically attain higher ranks is to buy aurum. As an example, I believe Grand Master Kubo, a fellow who won 3 (IIRC) officer weapons through the events and who (last I checked) was somewhere in the top 10 for lifetime stats, is LR6/7. My memory is a little hazy on this, admittedly. I've never actually encountered a rank 15. I've seen a Field Marshal which I believe is rank 14, and I've talked with a Marshal which is 13, but at that stage the requirements for ranking up are just obscene. I did some calculations on this in another post. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
It reportedly takes over 2 million loyalty rank points to reach rank 14.
This led me to perform some calculations.
It takes over 2 million points to reach level 14 from 13.
Fighting in a battle earns 1 loyalty rank point.
Winning that battle earns you 3.
500 WP in that battle earns you 1.
Therefore, if every single match a newly minted LR13 player played from this point onwards was a win in which he scored 3000 WP (unlikely) it would take them 200,000 battles to reach the next rank.
200,000 battles. Two hundred thousand. If each of those was over very quickly, in 10 minutes (which is also highly unlikely as many matches take 20 or so), it would take 34,000 hours of playtime to reach the next rank.
That is completely preposterous. There is absolutely no way anybody could possibly meet those requirements through gameplay. Absolutely none.That's 1400 days (4 years) of sitting at the PS3 from downtime to downtime, never sleeping or eating except for 10 minute breaks through downtime.
Not only is it 1400 days of doing that, it's doing that with an absolutely extraordinary standard of performance.
THIS ISN'T EVEN THE HIGHEST RANK.
Chatting with people on Skype later led me to run some numbers on a slightly more realistic scenario. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Now, Cross volunteered himself on Skype as a victim, so we're going to calculate roughly how long it'd take him to reach LR14 from LR13 (which he isn't at yet).
Cross suggests he might play 4 hours a day. So...
Managing 3 matches an hour with a 2:1 W/L ratio and a score of 1500 WP in every single match, it would take our good man Cross over 90 years to reach this point.
To reach LR14 (not the highest rank) he would need to become the oldest man who ever lived, whilst managing 4 hours of DUST a day, every day, at a good level of performance, for almost a century. This assumes that even as he ails and begins to die, he is still playing DUST to a solid level of performance for 4 hours a day.
On the bright side, if he has a priest reading Genesis 3:19 at his funeral, it will take on a very special meaning indeed.
"For dust you are, and to dust, you will return."
Holy ******* hell.
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Alcina Nektaria
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:04:00 -
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Daemonn Adima wrote:Wow I had no idea it was aurum spent. That's incredibly helpful. So a follow up question - I've been conserving my aur for awhile (week or two) and have about 5k. What is the best thing to spend it on? I don't want to buy gear or fittings that are expendable. Besides skins, what do people spend their aur on most commonly?
Everything in this game is expendable. It's just a matter of what you want to throw your money at. I like to buy key bundles with my Aurum.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:05:00 -
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Daemonn Adima wrote:Wow I had no idea it was aurum spent. That's incredibly helpful. So a follow up question - I've been conserving my aur for awhile (week or two) and have about 5k. What is the best thing to spend it on? I don't want to buy gear or fittings that are expendable. Besides skins, what do people spend their aur on most commonly?
Boosters, most likely.
I'm not sure you can afford anything more than a 1-day booster (I don't have stats available to me right now).
If there's a day where you're determined to play for a great deal of time, it may well be worth acquiring an active booster.
If you're looking at passive boosters, remember that your daily income of passive SP is about 24k. Thus, each day of passive 50% boosting will earn you 12k (24k if you use omegas, but those are expensive and not always available).
Militia BPOs tend to be about 10k, IIRC, but I'm not sure if there are a couple cheaper than that.
Expendable gear is really the only thing you can afford, I think.
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Alcina Nektaria
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:08:00 -
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Actually, if you want to get something worth your while, with just 5k aurum, go buy some torchflare kaalakiota forge guns and sell them back. If you have what's her name that gives you the 15% bonus to market transactions then it's worth your while, you can get about 1.5 mil or so isk out of the deal.
As far as boosters go you'd only be able to get 1 day, and IMO it's not really worth it.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:10:00 -
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Those numbers are skewed now that you get free aurum for just logging in every day. Recalculate, nao
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:12:00 -
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Alcina Nektaria wrote:Actually, if you want to get something worth your while, with just 5k aurum, go buy some torchflare kaalakiota forge guns and sell them back. If you have what's her name that gives you the 15% bonus to market transactions then it's worth your while, you can get about 1.5 mil or so isk out of the deal.
As far as boosters go you'd only be able to get 1 day, and IMO it's not really worth it.
The thing which you are referring to is the Jara Kumora 'market assistant'.
Unfortunately, that actually costs AUR. I think it's significantly more than 5k, as well.
Salvage sellback prices improve with loyaltry rank, as well, so I don't think this is the best plan.
It's a neat trick, but it doesn't really work for newbies.
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Alcina Nektaria
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:14:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:Actually, if you want to get something worth your while, with just 5k aurum, go buy some torchflare kaalakiota forge guns and sell them back. If you have what's her name that gives you the 15% bonus to market transactions then it's worth your while, you can get about 1.5 mil or so isk out of the deal.
As far as boosters go you'd only be able to get 1 day, and IMO it's not really worth it. The thing which you are referring to is the Jara Kumora 'market assistant'. Unfortunately, that actually costs AUR. I think it's significantly more than 5k, as well. Salvage sellback prices improve with loyaltry rank, as well, so I don't think this is the best plan. It's a neat trick, but it doesn't really work for newbies.
Ohhhh right. The things I forget from lack of experience. I like to pretend that Jara is actually Siri in disguise.
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:18:00 -
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Another fun metric for the "average" player:
For those 2 M LP, assuming you are a good player who logs in every day, plays 3 matches during which on average you win 2 of them, and get about 1k WP per match. Then let's factor in that you spend in the Aurum they give you for free:
+35 (spending 70 Aurum every day from log in bonus)
+05 (log in bonus)
+03 (Playing 3 matches a day)
+06 (Winning average 2 per day)
+06 (3k WP per day)
55 LP per day.
Putting that over the 2 M requirement it would take 99.7 YEARS for a "casual" player to obtain that loyalty rank.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:19:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Those numbers are skewed now that you get free aurum for just logging in every day. Recalculate, nao
Okay, first thing, I was wrong - it's not 2 million LRP, according to my source, it's actually 3 million.
Here're some quick back-of-the-envelope calcs.
At the maximum AUR login bonus you get 70 AUR a day which translates directly to 35 LRP.
With that same login bonus you get 5 LRP in addition, giving you 40 LRP from your daily logins.
I'll use the numbers I used in the earlier calc with Cross as the victim subject.
Specifically, this assumes the player manages 3 matches an hour with a 2:1 W/L ratio and a score of 1500 WP in every single match, and plays for 4 hours a day.
The average daily LRP gain from this is 18 LRP an hour or 72 LRP a day.
This means that your total gain per day is 112 LRP.
That'll only take you 73 and a half years, so you don't necessarily need to become the world's oldest living person anymore to succeed if you start young, but I think we can all agree that this is still rather excessive.
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Daemonn Adima
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:28:00 -
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I'm considering purchasing some aurum, so I wanted to ask what most people spend theirs on |
Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:32:00 -
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When I was new, I bought a whole shedload of BPOs. That's basically useless advice to you, though, because when I was new individual BPOs costed 40 AUR. I'm going to make a killing when trading comes out because I have hundreds and hundreds of BPOs on one of my characters.
I also bought boosters. They're a nice boost to your early game growth. You might consider getting a couple of BPOs if there's stuff you really like available in BPO format, but I'm not sure that's advisable because BPOs are extremely expensive and take a very long time to actually earn that investment back.
If you're going to buy AUR, I think I'd recommend buying a merc pack and a couple of boosters or perhaps skins. I know you use Gal med frames a lot so maybe a skin for that would actually be worth it if you like them.
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Alcina Nektaria
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:37:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:When I was new, I bought a whole shedload of BPOs. That's basically useless advice to you, though, because when I was new individual BPOs costed 40 AUR. I'm going to make a killing when trading comes out because I have hundreds and hundreds of BPOs on one of my characters.
I also bought boosters. They're a nice boost to your early game growth. You might consider getting a couple of BPOs if there's stuff you really like available in BPO format, but I'm not sure that's advisable because BPOs are extremely expensive and take a very long time to actually earn that investment back.
If you're going to buy AUR, I think I'd recommend buying a merc pack and a couple of boosters or perhaps skins. I know you use Gal med frames a lot so maybe a skin for that would actually be worth it if you like them.
Or the Gal Assault Pack. It's $4.99 and you get 100 of each Adv and Proto Suit for Scout, Logi, and Assault. Plus you get Shot guns, AR's and PLCS as well as some mods. I think it would be a good investment since he runs the Gal med frames.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:41:00 -
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Alcina Nektaria wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:When I was new, I bought a whole shedload of BPOs. That's basically useless advice to you, though, because when I was new individual BPOs costed 40 AUR. I'm going to make a killing when trading comes out because I have hundreds and hundreds of BPOs on one of my characters.
I also bought boosters. They're a nice boost to your early game growth. You might consider getting a couple of BPOs if there's stuff you really like available in BPO format, but I'm not sure that's advisable because BPOs are extremely expensive and take a very long time to actually earn that investment back.
If you're going to buy AUR, I think I'd recommend buying a merc pack and a couple of boosters or perhaps skins. I know you use Gal med frames a lot so maybe a skin for that would actually be worth it if you like them. Or the Gal Assault Pack. It's $4.99 and you get 100 of each Adv and Proto Suit for Scout, Logi, and Assault. Plus you get Shot guns, AR's and PLCS as well as some mods. I think it would be a good investment since he runs the Gal med frames.
This would be an excellent idea, except it doesn't include any AUR which Daemonn needs to get to LR2 (and to unlock trading).
If you don't mind expendables, though, this is actually a pretty decent suggestion. It's pretty cheap (I've had more expensive coffee  ) and will last a pretty long time.
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bane sieg
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:49:00 -
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I would recommend the mercenary pack available only in the psn store. You'll get your 40k aurum which will bring you up a loyalty rank, plus you get a dragonfly scout and toxin smg bpo as well. Think it comes with a booster too all for $20
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Daemonn Adima
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Posted - 2015.09.25 18:17:00 -
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Thanks for the answers! Those loyalty rank time frames are mind blowing!!
I think I'll consider getting a small amount, or at least enough to boost me to rank 2. I am most interested in skins, but bpos intrigue me. Where is the best place to check these out, other than the militia bpo section? Is there something that changes what available bpos are out? All I can find are militia bpos.
Checked out the skins on market... every race has a medium skin for 19,800 aur or at least 1 medium skin for that amount. The gallente medium skins are all 23,800. In addition, there are only gallente scout suits in the drop suit section of visual customisation.
Why is GA not equal with the others in terms of price and availability? Does the selection change often? I'm confused.
Also when you buy one of those loadouts for 50k aur, is it permanent or just 1 fitting? |
Daemonn Adima
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Posted - 2015.09.25 19:00:00 -
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And is there any other place to buy skins? The GalMedium skins are pretty subpar compared to the others. Makes me kinda regret going GA what with the AR status (change incoming soonTM), lack of skin selection, quality of skin selection and scanners as the bonus for logi. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.09.25 19:31:00 -
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The 50k AUR 'APEX' suits are permanent. They're ADV suit BPOs with a full BPO fit included with them. You can lose them infinitely and the prefit will still be usable at no cost to you.
If you mean the 50 AUR prefit suits, no, those are single use and also pretty terrible, IMHO.
I'm not sure why Gal skins are more expensive. Strange and arcane reasonings, vOv.
I think the main source of BPOs for AUR in the marketplace is indeed the militia area. IIRC there are still some available in the standard dropsuits section as well, though. Quafe BPOs, which come in obnoxious pink and green, can be found in strongboxes and are standard tier.
It's amusing to me that you dislike the scanner bonus on the logi because scouts scream bloody murder about it and desperately want it nerfed.
The Galassault and AR will shortly become very strong indeed, so I wouldn't worry about that.
If you want to betray me ;_; really regret your choice, though, respecs cost just under 40k AUR, which I think is affordable with a merc pack. When you're new it's probably better to just buy boosters instead and spec into the new stuff, though.
In general CCP's monetisation options are sorta lacking. If you're going to play semi-regularly I think boosters may be your best bet at your level.
Once BPO trading comes in, though, I'll see if I can send you an Exile AR (standard AR blueprint) and a couple of other things, but that hinges on me being at home at some point soon which is unlikely.
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Daemonn Adima
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Posted - 2015.09.25 19:49:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:The 50k AUR 'APEX' suits are permanent. They're ADV suit BPOs with a full BPO fit included with them. You can lose them infinitely and the prefit will still be usable at no cost to you.
If you mean the 50 AUR prefit suits, no, those are single use and also pretty terrible, IMHO.
I'm not sure why Gal skins are more expensive. Strange and arcane reasonings, vOv.
I think the main source of BPOs for AUR in the marketplace is indeed the militia area. IIRC there are still some available in the standard dropsuits section as well, though. Quafe BPOs, which come in obnoxious pink and green, can be found in strongboxes and are standard tier.
It's amusing to me that you dislike the scanner bonus on the logi because scouts scream bloody murder about it and desperately want it nerfed.
The Galassault and AR will shortly become very strong indeed, so I wouldn't worry about that.
If you want to betray me ;_; really regret your choice, though, respecs cost just under 40k AUR, which I think is affordable with a merc pack. When you're new it's probably better to just buy boosters instead and spec into the new stuff, though.
In general CCP's monetisation options are sorta lacking. If you're going to play semi-regularly I think boosters may be your best bet at your level.
Once BPO trading comes in, though, I'll see if I can send you an Exile AR (standard AR blueprint) and a couple of other things, but that hinges on me being at home at some point soon which is unlikely.
Ahhh OK the Apex being permanent makes a lot more sense. I understand the nature of the scanner right now, it just doesn't earn me points, which I desperately need every game or its not worth playing. I have adv. suits, adv. gear, and adv. weapons so my fits are getting expensive. If I don't break 1k WP I'm pretty much losing isk/wasting time.
Running links and nanohives allow me to break 2k almost every game, unless it's a stomp. Ive used scanners, and rarely gotten the points from my scans. Even if I go scanner logi spam. Maybe I'm doing it wrong...
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Posted - 2015.09.25 19:57:00 -
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Scanners earn you points if you run in a squad.
If you have a scanned target and a squadmate kills it, it gets you "Intel Kill Assist +15". This can stack up quickly with assists and guardian points if you're running support for a squad with a defend order on you.
And bless you sir for loyalty. Out of curiosity, do you have Skype? I and a good few other folks gather there for text chat.
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Daemonn Adima
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Posted - 2015.09.25 20:01:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Scanners earn you points if you run in a squad.
If you have a scanned target and a squadmate kills it, it gets you "Intel Kill Assist +15". This can stack up quickly with assists and guardian points if you're running support for a squad with a defend order on you.
And bless you sir. Out of curiosity, do you have Skype? I and a good few other folks gather there for text chat.
I do! I'm down to lurk and ask noob questions!
I've never used the scanner in a full or cohesive squad. It makes sense if you guys are sticking together and stompin. I have some loadouts scanner ready, but as of right now I'm using all the prefit loadouts I've been awarded or found in boxes to try and get my isk up.
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Send me a contact request at 'arkenai'. Or Arkena Wyrnspire. I should come up.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Send me a contact request at 'arkenai'. Or Arkena Wyrnspire. I should come up.
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Ha, not very much, but Cross gave me that nickname after too many CAH games (a habit of the DUST Skype groups).
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Those numbers are skewed now that you get free aurum for just logging in every day. Recalculate, nao
No it's not. I'm surprised I didn't see this brought up yet in the thread but you no longer get Loyalty points for using your aurum, it's when you buy it. The free aurum you get daily, and threw events like right now doesn't raise your rank at all. I just spent 5k aurum on a 7 day booster on one my newer accounts I use to test things out on. That character is still rank zero with 200 points to go to rank 1.
As for earnings it's not 100% accurate, or it's just bugged. If you join a match you don't automatically gain 1 loyalty point, nor do you automatically gain 2 for winning. I tested it out and sat back in the spawn point doing nothing, ending the match with zero WP. My team won and I got no points at all. Nothing for joining a match and nothing for the team winning.
I also tested out matches were I earned 300-400wp and got nothing for the effort. So joining a match and/or winning doesn't really seem to matter. It's just every 500 wp you earn life time far a I can tell. You do earn points for fractions of 500, if it adds up to 500 over several different matches.
I've also ran into a bug in where my account lost over 600 earned loyalty points for no reason. One day I was less than 100 from the next level and then suddenly every character on that account was 600 some points back. Given it's a mere 5 points a day for logging in and a small 1-5 points on average for playing a match. That was countless hours and/or days worth of work lost because of some glitch.
A glitch I reported and made a thread about that people replied to but nothing official was done or commented on about it.
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Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Those numbers are skewed now that you get free aurum for just logging in every day. Recalculate, nao
No it's not. I'm surprised I didn't see this brought up yet in the thread but you no longer get Loyalty points for using your aurum, it's when you buy it. The free aurum you get daily, and threw events like right now doesn't raise your rank at all. I just spent 5k aurum on a 7 day booster on one my newer accounts I use to test things out on. That character is still rank zero with 200 points to go to rank 1.
Oh, my, really?
That's good to know. In that case I guess it will take a century. Disappointing that they changed it specifically for that, but w/e.
Thanks for the info. I vaguely recall talk about this but I hadn't had confirmation.
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As for earnings it's not 100% accurate, or it's just bugged. If you join a match you don't automatically gain 1 loyalty point, nor do you automatically gain 2 for winning. I tested it out and sat back in the spawn point doing nothing, ending the match with zero WP. My team won and I got no points at all. Nothing for joining a match and nothing for the team winning.
I also tested out matches were I earned 300-400wp and got nothing for the effort. So joining a match and/or winning doesn't really seem to matter. It's just every 500 wp you earn life time far a I can tell. You do earn points for fractions of 500, if it adds up to 500 over several different matches.
I've also ran into a bug in where my account lost over 600 earned loyalty points for no reason. One day I was less than 100 from the next level and then suddenly every character on that account was 600 some points back. Given it's a mere 5 points a day for logging in and a small 1-5 points on average for playing a match. That was countless hours and/or days worth of work lost because of some glitch.
A glitch I reported and made a thread about that people replied to but nothing official was done or commented on about it.
LR display is buggy as hell.
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Posted - 2015.09.25 20:22:00 -
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Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Those numbers are skewed now that you get free aurum for just logging in every day. Recalculate, nao
No it's not. I'm surprised I didn't see this brought up yet in the thread but you no longer get Loyalty points for using your aurum, it's when you buy it. The free aurum you get daily, and threw events like right now doesn't raise your rank at all. I just spent 5k aurum on a 7 day booster on one my newer accounts I use to test things out on. That character is still rank zero with 200 points to go to rank 1. As for earnings it's not 100% accurate, or it's just bugged. If you join a match you don't automatically gain 1 loyalty point, nor do you automatically gain 2 for winning. I tested it out and sat back in the spawn point doing nothing, ending the match with zero WP. My team won and I got no points at all. Nothing for joining a match and nothing for the team winning. I also tested out matches were I earned 300-400wp and got nothing for the effort. So joining a match and/or winning doesn't really seem to matter. It's just every 500 wp you earn life time far a I can tell. You do earn points for fractions of 500, if it adds up to 500 over several different matches. I've also ran into a bug in where my account lost over 600 earned loyalty points for no reason. One day I was less than 100 from the next level and then suddenly every character on that account was 600 some points back. Given it's a mere 5 points a day for logging in and a small 1-5 points on average for playing a match. That was countless hours and/or days worth of work lost because of some glitch. A glitch I reported and made a thread about that people replied to but nothing official was done or commented on about it.
Sounds like a jank ass loyalty system. No standard for metrics and many changes/bugs over time with no official stance from ccp.
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Sounds like you're bitter enough to fit in with our Skype group. xD
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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Daemonn Adima wrote:Wow I had no idea it was aurum spent. That's incredibly helpful. So a follow up question - I've been conserving my aur for awhile (week or two) and have about 5k. What is the best thing to spend it on? I don't want to buy gear or fittings that are expendable. Besides skins, what do people spend their aur on most commonly?
I myself prefer month long passive boosters as I have less time to play due to school. I used to get active boosters but if you are a new player and know what clkass you like I'd say get a basic BPO. A heavy or logi would be a nice start and they are better than militia. |
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$5 USD takes you to 2.
$20 USD takes you to 4.
Assuming you have 0, so yeah.
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Daemonn Adima wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:The 50k AUR 'APEX' suits are permanent. They're ADV suit BPOs with a full BPO fit included with them. You can lose them infinitely and the prefit will still be usable at no cost to you.
If you mean the 50 AUR prefit suits, no, those are single use and also pretty terrible, IMHO.
I'm not sure why Gal skins are more expensive. Strange and arcane reasonings, vOv.
I think the main source of BPOs for AUR in the marketplace is indeed the militia area. IIRC there are still some available in the standard dropsuits section as well, though. Quafe BPOs, which come in obnoxious pink and green, can be found in strongboxes and are standard tier.
It's amusing to me that you dislike the scanner bonus on the logi because scouts scream bloody murder about it and desperately want it nerfed.
The Galassault and AR will shortly become very strong indeed, so I wouldn't worry about that.
If you want to betray me ;_; really regret your choice, though, respecs cost just under 40k AUR, which I think is affordable with a merc pack. When you're new it's probably better to just buy boosters instead and spec into the new stuff, though.
In general CCP's monetisation options are sorta lacking. If you're going to play semi-regularly I think boosters may be your best bet at your level.
Once BPO trading comes in, though, I'll see if I can send you an Exile AR (standard AR blueprint) and a couple of other things, but that hinges on me being at home at some point soon which is unlikely. Ahhh OK the Apex being permanent makes a lot more sense. I understand the nature of the scanner right now, it just doesn't earn me points, which I desperately need every game or its not worth playing. I have adv. suits, adv. gear, and adv. weapons so my fits are getting expensive. If I don't break 1k WP I'm pretty much losing isk/wasting time. Running links and nanohives allow me to break 2k almost every game, unless it's a stomp. Ive used scanners, and rarely gotten the points from my scans. Even if I go scanner logi spam. Maybe I'm doing it wrong... Nah, playing the "underdog" race right now makes me want to be Gal even more. I'm a loyalist, don't fear!
Daemonn, I have an APEX suit i dont use so ill send it to you on monday. This should help you out as you make your way in this game.
If you don't receive the answer you want please be patient, my "F**k's Given" dispenser is broke.
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Kaltos Darksbane wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:The 50k AUR 'APEX' suits are permanent. They're ADV suit BPOs with a full BPO fit included with them. You can lose them infinitely and the prefit will still be usable at no cost to you.
If you mean the 50 AUR prefit suits, no, those are single use and also pretty terrible, IMHO.
I'm not sure why Gal skins are more expensive. Strange and arcane reasonings, vOv.
I think the main source of BPOs for AUR in the marketplace is indeed the militia area. IIRC there are still some available in the standard dropsuits section as well, though. Quafe BPOs, which come in obnoxious pink and green, can be found in strongboxes and are standard tier.
It's amusing to me that you dislike the scanner bonus on the logi because scouts scream bloody murder about it and desperately want it nerfed.
The Galassault and AR will shortly become very strong indeed, so I wouldn't worry about that.
If you want to betray me ;_; really regret your choice, though, respecs cost just under 40k AUR, which I think is affordable with a merc pack. When you're new it's probably better to just buy boosters instead and spec into the new stuff, though.
In general CCP's monetisation options are sorta lacking. If you're going to play semi-regularly I think boosters may be your best bet at your level.
Once BPO trading comes in, though, I'll see if I can send you an Exile AR (standard AR blueprint) and a couple of other things, but that hinges on me being at home at some point soon which is unlikely. Ahhh OK the Apex being permanent makes a lot more sense. I understand the nature of the scanner right now, it just doesn't earn me points, which I desperately need every game or its not worth playing. I have adv. suits, adv. gear, and adv. weapons so my fits are getting expensive. If I don't break 1k WP I'm pretty much losing isk/wasting time. Running links and nanohives allow me to break 2k almost every game, unless it's a stomp. Ive used scanners, and rarely gotten the points from my scans. Even if I go scanner logi spam. Maybe I'm doing it wrong... Nah, playing the "underdog" race right now makes me want to be Gal even more. I'm a loyalist, don't fear! Daemonn, I have an APEX suit i dont use so ill send it to you on monday. This should help you out as you make your way in this game.
Wow, thank you so much. I've almost hit 5mil sp, used some left over aur from buying my Roden GA-M skin, which I freaking love, to use instant sp boosters from some great games. Played a pub with my roomate and had a 4500 pt game holding down the point with only our links and nanohives, and revives.
I started using the adv. Burst AR and I LOVE it. By far my favorite variant, has got me back in the slaygroove. And I started running the adv. Medium basic GA suit with 2 slots. Uplink and nanohive have been my most successful games. I hold points supporting my links, mid range sniping with the burst AR. Best games I've had in awhile.
After my skin purchase, I am almost loyalty rank 3. It got me trading so it was worth it. Gave my buddy my Deathshroud skin cause he couldn't get his wins and he's amarr. My gallente passion has been ignited again! |
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Daemonn Adima wrote:Played a pub with my roomate and had a 4500 pt game holding down the point with only our links and nanohives, and revives.
Damn. That's an excellent level of performance for someone so new.
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I started using the adv. Burst AR and I LOVE it. By far my favorite variant, has got me back in the slaygroove. And I started running the adv. Medium basic GA suit with 2 slots. Uplink and nanohive have been my most successful games. I hold points supporting my links, mid range sniping with the burst AR. Best games I've had in awhile.
I told you the Burst was awesome. :3
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:Played a pub with my roomate and had a 4500 pt game holding down the point with only our links and nanohives, and revives.
Damn. That's an excellent level of performance for someone so new. Quote:
I started using the adv. Burst AR and I LOVE it. By far my favorite variant, has got me back in the slaygroove. And I started running the adv. Medium basic GA suit with 2 slots. Uplink and nanohive have been my most successful games. I hold points supporting my links, mid range sniping with the burst AR. Best games I've had in awhile.
I told you the Burst was awesome. :3
Sorry to barge into the convo but I have been using the TAC recently for a similar purpose. Is it worth trying the burst AR? I'm not sure I have ever even used it....
Time to give it a go I think.
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CommanderBolt wrote:
Sorry to barge into the convo but I have been using the TAC recently for a similar purpose. Is it worth trying the burst AR? I'm not sure I have ever even used it....
Time to give it a go I think.
Definitely give the burst a try. It handles better than the TAR and the scope really makes a difference.
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Daemonn Adima wrote:Wow I had no idea it was aurum spent. That's incredibly helpful. So a follow up question - I've been conserving my aur for awhile (week or two) and have about 5k. What is the best thing to spend it on? I don't want to buy gear or fittings that are expendable. Besides skins, what do people spend their aur on most commonly?
It isn't Aurum spent, it is Aurum bought.
Spending your daily login bonus Aurum does not raise your loyalty rank.
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:Played a pub with my roomate and had a 4500 pt game holding down the point with only our links and nanohives, and revives.
Damn. That's an excellent level of performance for someone so new. Quote:
I started using the adv. Burst AR and I LOVE it. By far my favorite variant, has got me back in the slaygroove. And I started running the adv. Medium basic GA suit with 2 slots. Uplink and nanohive have been my most successful games. I hold points supporting my links, mid range sniping with the burst AR. Best games I've had in awhile.
I told you the Burst was awesome. :3
Thanks! I surprise myself sometime. If my team spawns on my links, I can pretty much keep any point battle alive.
And yes, definitely try out the burst. It's won me back over as an AR lover and gallente loyalist! |
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Posted - 2015.09.26 19:56:00 -
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Still waiting on that Skype request though, Daemonn.
There are people interested in mocking meeting you/
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Still waiting on that Skype request though, Daemonn. There are people interested in mocking meeting you/
Ha I'll make sure to get on today. Heading to a local brewery for a bottle release, so I'll be on mid afternoon, probably buzzed!
Bitter, snarky, noob chat incoming! |
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Posted - 2015.09.26 22:57:00 -
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Daemonn, I sent you that APEX I said I would. Have fun with it!
If you don't receive the answer you want please be patient, my "F**k's Given" dispenser is broke.
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Kaltos Darksbane wrote:Daemonn, I sent you that APEX I said I would. Have fun with it!
...... you're the bomb!!! Thank you so much! Loading it up now!
Edit: damn it's sweet. Is actually my highest meta level suit now lol. So seriously thank you. |
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Daemonn Adima wrote:Kaltos Darksbane wrote:Daemonn, I sent you that APEX I said I would. Have fun with it! ...... you're the bomb!!! Thank you so much! Loading it up now! Edit: damn it's sweet. Is actually my highest meta level suit now lol. So seriously thank you.
Youre welcome. Just doing my part to help the community a bit.
If you don't receive the answer you want please be patient, my "F**k's Given" dispenser is broke.
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Posted - 2015.09.27 00:12:00 -
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Kaltos that was real decent of you.
o7
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In case there was still any confusion whether buying AUR or spending it, or both, grant loyalty rank, I rechecked and made a vid:
https://youtu.be/-SIHY3VoHwg
Buying grants, spending does not.
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A good link to bookmark is Mr Kaze's thread on loyalty gain metrics on the rookie training ground forum section:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=185999
Note that at the time of this post it has not been updated to reflect the aur purchase/spend swap.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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Kaltos Darksbane
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Kaltos that was real decent of you.
o7
I just feel those of us that have been here a while can easily live without things like APEX suits and a new player like Daemonn could really use such a thing to encourage them to stay and keep playing. If I kept just this one player in our community I consider the effort a plus for us all. o7
Plus its another Dominus Heavy out there tearing people up on those points.
If you don't receive the answer you want please be patient, my "F**k's Given" dispenser is broke.
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Kaltos Darksbane wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Kaltos that was real decent of you.
o7 I just feel those of us that have been here a while can easily live without things like APEX suits and a new player like Daemonn could really use such a thing to encourage them to stay and keep playing. If I kept just this one player in our community I consider the effort a plus for us all. o7 Plus its another Dominus Heavy out there tearing people up on those points.
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Daemonn Adima wrote:Currently rank 1 as a new clone. I want to get into trading/buying/selling but need to attain rank 2. Does anyone know exactly what it takes to level up, besides the cryptic "logging in, fighting and buying aurum". As in, how much aurum do I have to buy to go up a rank?
Or rather what's the aurum purchased to Loyalty Rank points gained ratio?
Drop $5, get 4K aur and you'll reach level 2 instantly. Fastest and cheapest way to get there.
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
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