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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:50:00 -
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TL;DR at the bottom
Do not expect good grammar well constructed sentences or nice words in this thread. I'm about done with this BS and the reason is because Swarms, Rail Gun Turrets, and Forge Guns. They are OP against ADS and I can't even do anything about it. I'm about to quit this game because I decided to respec into ADS.
I'm going to tell you a story, a story of a high school sophmore whose over protective parents don't like the blood and violence in this game that there was while I was nova knifing. So I decided to take the high road and buy a respec into Assault Dropships, inspired by one of saxonmish's recent videos.
It was a giant mistake. First match literally 5 minutes after I made my first Assault Dropship. My fitting was: Python, 1 Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender, 1 Complex Shield Hardener, 1 Complex (Enhanced? I forgot) Light shield booster, a Complex PG mod and XT-1 Missile Launcher. Every one of my vehicle skills is MAXED out.
I have never ADS'ed before and have never skilled into a vehicle and I can tell you they are under powered.
I was in my first match ever in an ADS when as soon as I entered the first real enemy engagement I swooped in only to have a Swarmer, a pro forger, and a OFFICER FORGER immedietely instakill me. This was way in the beginning of the match when the enemy doesn't even know what to expect and they're already in full AV suits? Don't give me any of that "ADS's are OP, Swarms should be buffed" ****. I used a total of 10 Pythons that battle constantly trying to be useful to my team. You know what happened? I got a grand total of 0 kills, 10 deaths (pilot goes down with the ship logic) and 200 points from uplink team spawns. I thought to myself "Maybe I'm just having a bad match and coincedently got put in a battle with a guy who wanted to brandish an officer forge for fun." And so I searched for the next battle, hoping for something better. I was wrong.
Bridge map, go on the enemy side. Instablooped in a matter of seconds WITH my hardener on and my shield booster having been activated. You know why? 3 RAILGUN tanks, another GOD DAMN FORGER, and to top it off, a Caldari Assault CK.0 with (wait for it)...... a BEACON'S SWARM LAUNCHER.
I've lost a total of 20 mil in two matches. Let me emphasize that. TWO MATCHES. And I got 1 kill on a frontline suit in a blaster turret.
I need help ADSing, I'm almost destroyed my headphones and my PS3 controller and I'm about to get ready to rage quit this game.
Any suggestions? Tips? Git gud comments? Inevitable "Bucket of tears" trolls? I need a few. experienced ADS pilots to help me get good at this.
One last thing. AV needs to be nerfed to the ground. Swarms are way to effective, I got killed by a railgun tank while 500 meters above ground (on bridge map) and was blapped by a forge at that same distance (about.)
TL;DR: First time flying an ADS not good. AV OP. Nerf AV. Need help with piloting.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:52:00 -
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Any vehicle is going to feel UP at lower skills versus max skill AV.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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VAHZZ
RabbitGang
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:53:00 -
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Nut up or shut up.
Co-Founder of RabbitGang
"VAHZZ is Forum Jesus" - GJR
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:53:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Any vehicle is going to feel UP at lower skills versus max skill AV.
I don't have "lower skills." My entire vehicle command tree is maxed, as well as my missile skill (and the various sub-branches) and the ADS skill as well as the Python skill is maxed as well.
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:54:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Nut up or shut up.
Oh VAHZZ, will your BS ever end? I'm on my wits end and I will hide your posts.
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:55:00 -
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Git Gud Scub!
Also thanks for filling my bath tub, it was getting a bit low on tears. Time to take a nice relaxing bath.
Director of T-W-L
Keeper of the List
Lord of Scrubs
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:55:00 -
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Let's say I don't like where I'm at right now and am possibly looking at wanted an Aurum refund. Is that possible if I send a support ticket to Archduke?
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:57:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Git Gud Scub!
Also thanks for filling my bath tub, it was getting a bit low on tears. Time to take a nice relaxing bath.
XxBlazikenxX wrote:Git gud comments? Inevitable "Bucket of tears" trolls?
Well, at least I warned my self in advance.
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:58:00 -
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I need actual frickin advice here people. (Johnny and VAHZZ I'm looking at you)
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
No Context
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 05:03:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:I need actual frickin advice here people. (Johnny and VAHZZ I'm looking at you)
Just make a super cheap fit and practice. AV is a bit powerful, but knowing when to fly high to dodge or to when to swoop in is something that needs to be learned.
Just like how I am learning how to tank. The pro tankers make it look easy (I aint talking about those p.ssy redline tanks either) and I thought I could do it too. I am still a sh.t tanker but I keep practicing, lost over 100mil so far, but I am better then I was when I first started tanking.
Thats the only advice I can give.
Director of T-W-L
Keeper of the List
Lord of Scrubs
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Darken-Sol
Darken's Forge and Trade
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 05:05:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:I need actual frickin advice here people. (Johnny and VAHZZ I'm looking at you)
I have max vehicle skills i can build you some ADS and hire some gunners. Practice costs money, something which is nothing to me.
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 05:05:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:I need actual frickin advice here people. (Johnny and VAHZZ I'm looking at you) I have max vehicle skills i can build you some ADS and hire some gunners. Practice costs money, something which is nothing to me.
Sure, I'll hop on the Fury 514 chat tomorrow and give it a try!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.23 05:06:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Any vehicle is going to feel UP at lower skills versus max skill AV. I don't have "lower skills." My entire vehicle command tree is maxed, as well as my missile skill (and the various sub-branches) and the ADS skill as well as the Python skill is maxed as well.
Then practice maneuvering and fast in fast out in your redline.
Past that i can't speak for swarms (I don't use them) but if you deliberately engage high risk maneuvers and do NOT fly in straight lines, the third forge shot is generally a hail mary shot rather than an accurate killshot.
It requires practice.
A well fit python or incubus has a three-IAFG shot lifespan. Talk to kaeru or darth to get better advice.
I will direct you to a video collection of my average flights in a dropship...
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 05:10:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Any vehicle is going to feel UP at lower skills versus max skill AV. I don't have "lower skills." My entire vehicle command tree is maxed, as well as my missile skill (and the various sub-branches) and the ADS skill as well as the Python skill is maxed as well. Then practice maneuvering and fast in fast out in your redline. Past that i can't speak for swarms (I don't use them) but if you deliberately engage high risk maneuvers and do NOT fly in straight lines, the third forge shot is generally a hail mary shot rather than an accurate killshot. It requires practice. A well fit python or incubus has a three-IAFG shot lifespan. Talk to kaeru or darth to get better advice. I will direct you to a video collection of my average flights in a dropship...
Anywhere that I can contact them? I have Darth in the Z Platoon channel but what about Kaeru?
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VAHZZ
RabbitGang
9
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Posted - 2015.09.23 05:11:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:VAHZZ wrote:Nut up or shut up. Oh VAHZZ, will your BS ever end? I'm on my wits end and I will hide your posts.
Well, considering I am but a playful bunny, i would say so. I hope you know that i hold back a lot, there is a lot more bs within me.
Co-Founder of RabbitGang
"VAHZZ is Forum Jesus" - GJR
But Jesus lives down the street...
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VAHZZ
RabbitGang
9
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Posted - 2015.09.23 05:12:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:I need actual frickin advice here people. (Johnny and VAHZZ I'm looking at you)
I gave you advice *****. Best advice in the world.
Co-Founder of RabbitGang
"VAHZZ is Forum Jesus" - GJR
But Jesus lives down the street...
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Darken-Sol
Darken's Forge and Trade
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 05:13:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:I need actual frickin advice here people. (Johnny and VAHZZ I'm looking at you) I have max vehicle skills i can build you some ADS and hire some gunners. Practice costs money, something which is nothing to me. Sure, I'll hop on the Fury 514 chat tomorrow and give it a try!
Just after down time is a great time. My director has some great fits for various occasions. I consult with him on anything vehicle. Hes rolled with the punches for longer than have been tanking. I wouldnt have emerged from Uprising 1.5 a tanker without his advice.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.23 05:13:00 -
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Zaria is probably the best point of contact for kaeru.
I have merely unknowingly participated in angry quafe heavy insertion ops on his derpship.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2015.09.23 05:22:00 -
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As one of the original full time pilots, I can tell you that if you aren't relying heavily on a squad and playing the very rigid playstyle required by current ADS, you're going to have a very, very bad time.
Running is the name of the game, and if you so much as stop to shoot infantry, you will VERY likely die to swarms as you try to run away. This game is circling the drain; skilling into the hardest to master role, and least rewarding, probably isn't the best choice.
Flying can be fun, but it's mostly an exercise in frustration. The only thing more frustrating than flying is coming to the forums where the AV try-hards who've never flown will flock to tell you all their magic tips for being a god of the sky.
Welcome to the party.
Swarms are the real threat, though damage stacked railguns can still one or two shot you depending on your fit. Typically those types never leave their redline though, so if you can identify them early they're usually easy enough to avoid. The trick to defeating forge guns has always, and will always be in understanding their timings. Once you have a good feel for exactly how fast a forge gun can shoot, you can adjust your flying so that you can alter your direction at the last possible moment. The forge gunner will likely be leading you, so when you have a good feel for the speed of their projectile you can usually predict where they're aiming for, see the shot before it hits, and adjust. Forge guns are actually fun to fight against because both players have to use a lot of skill. Typically though you do NOT want to engage a forge gunner. You may very well be able to kill him with enough fancy flying and luck, but every idiot with a swarm fit is going to rush to the nearest supply depot to collect their free points. I honestly don't know how anyone plays an anti infantry Python or even Incubus in this current meta. I stick to AV all the way and even that can incur a lot of deaths if you take any risks at all.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 06:02:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:
I have never ADS'ed before and have never skilled into a vehicle and I can tell you they are under powered.
First time flying an ADS not good.
These are your problems and your problems start by using the Python , it's a hit and run machine and the fact that you only have one low slot , doesn't leave much for the imagination .
Shields go and so will you , typical of anything Caldari and one of the reasons why I say everything that works in EVE just doesn't translate to Dust .
Borderline OP nature keeps the Dev's from being innovative because they just don't know how to distribute CPU / PG in a way as to not lead anything Caldari to being that way .
You could have all the slots in the world with all the options and if you can find a middle ground via CPU / PG , you wouldn't have to worry about anything being OP .
One of the reasons that now most roles have the same CPU / PG and to me that restricts more then creates an environment of creativity .
Shield tanks suck because of this as well as the ADS , if I were you I would start by flying Gal ADS .
Take at least a month of straight flying to figure out the little things to keep you in the air until you become more efficient .
It's not hard but it won't be easy either because you have zero experience .
Don't add on to the problem by claiming something to be OP because you see " experienced " pilots saying this , I have shot down most claiming and to show this , I will reskill into vehicles myself as to show that I'm not just talk , you need the experience so that you would know what to do in what situation and how to avoid problems .
Most people claim AV is OP because they really want to farm infantry , once you get better you will see this yourself because once you try to confront another ADS , they will run for the hills ... I see this all the time and I just don't chase , I see all these " pilots " talking about how good they are and trying to give advice but in the air , their cowards .
I use my ADS to protect my troops from vehicles and not to farm infantry .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2015.09.23 06:24:00 -
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Just remember, anyone who defends swarms is defending their simplistic way of playing. The amount of effort and skill required by them is entirely dwarfed by that which is required of you, at any and all points. Commandos even take the one disadvantage of swarms away, not being able to shoot back.
Once swarms are taken down a notch it will be a bit less of a headache to fly. Currently the free kill auto tracker is irritating at best, but given CCPs track record I wouldn't expect much in the way of change any time soon.
It would be nice if Swarms weren't the only option in the game that required no effort in order to excel. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 07:27:00 -
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Vesta Opalus ( excuse the mis-spelling ) already set you straight and that's the problem with most who talk about AV vs Vehicles , their bias and the fact that they have no knowledge in AV or very little experience to not have a bias view in this regard .
How many times has weapons , mods and roles been changed because if the bias of the community and their inexperience in that said feature that their trying to change ?
How many people come to the forums to complain about items because they died and more or less expressed bias and not a willingness to compromise for balance sake ?
You don't agree with me so your point is invalid .?. is that adult .?. remember if anyone defends this you already know that their wrong .?. OP check the swarm thread in the idea section , talk to people who actually play or specialize in AV , they might know what their talking about and could give you some pointers to help you survive .
I'm not going to tell you what to do , I could only give you suggestions from my experience .
I wish Vesta was on the CPM because it seems like he doesn't have his head up his @$$ and reflects both sides of a situation , people like that are problem solvers because they put knowledge , experience and wisdom before their own wants and desires and in fact , people like that for the most part want the best outcome out of most situations because they know how to lay ego aside .
+1 to you Vesta .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Radiant Pancake3
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Posted - 2015.09.23 08:01:00 -
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Go incuockbus or go home.
Learned the ways of N4gg3er from Alcina's mom.
Min Loyalist.
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Moochie Cricket
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2015.09.23 11:39:00 -
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Do you even realize how hard it is to swarm? Might be the hardest thing to do in Dust.
Caldari
REALLY 514
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Sned TheDead
Failures inc.
983
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Posted - 2015.09.23 11:59:00 -
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Blaze, you skilled into the most difficult role in this game to play, what did you expect?
You can not skill into something, and expect to excel with out practice.
and the loss of isk is expected, you are running multiple full, or almost full, proto ADS's.
They are far from cheap.
You just have to practice with something a bit cheaper, knock it down to ADV, or even basic, until you get the movements, and the flying right.
Start using better DSs when you are capable of doing what you wand with worse dropships.
0.02isk
MUSIC!
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 12:37:00 -
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Fly.. fly and fly once again. Until you learn.
Learning on mistakes is the best way.
Modern society is lacking in empathy
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Count- -Crotchula
TasteTheTamsen
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Posted - 2015.09.23 12:40:00 -
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heard of a guy called ah what's his name CARNE something, CANON something from TOXIN? Best dropship pilot there is, honestly dude with XT-1s you're doing like 600 damage per missile, that's an insta-jib, with splash damage people can't hide.
Your skills must be the problem, not skill points, actual SKILLS, you say you've only just skilled into dropships so how can you expect to beat people like me with pro AV? I will eat a 5000 armour grimsnes for lunch.
Some people can dive into buildings, hover and dive back out, some people are so ridiculously skilled they can literally fly wherever they want, through buildings, and they won't die, and when they shoot? They do NOT miss.
what is his name people? the CANON guy from T-O-X-I-N? Because Blaziken, just hop into this dropship, and watch him, watch and learn.
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Count- -Crotchula
TasteTheTamsen
1
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Posted - 2015.09.23 12:42:00 -
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come on dude you can't do something once and expect to be god, don't run expensive fits if you really went through 20m, that's crazy bad. could you pick up a guitar and be gary moore (RIP) straight away? No, but if you give up you won't know who you could be !
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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
258
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Posted - 2015.09.23 13:10:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:TL;DR at the bottom
Do not expect good grammar well constructed sentences or nice words in this thread. I'm about done with this BS and the reason is because Swarms, Rail Gun Turrets, and Forge Guns. They are OP against ADS and I can't even do anything about it. I'm about to quit this game because I decided to respec into ADS.
I'm going to tell you a story, a story of a high school sophmore whose over protective parents don't like the blood and violence in this game that there was while I was nova knifing. So I decided to take the high road and buy a respec into Assault Dropships, inspired by one of saxonmish's recent videos.
It was a giant mistake. First match literally 5 minutes after I made my first Assault Dropship. My fitting was: Python, 1 Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender, 1 Complex Shield Hardener, 1 Complex (Enhanced? I forgot) Light shield booster, a Complex PG mod and XT-1 Missile Launcher. Every one of my vehicle skills is MAXED out.
I have never ADS'ed before and have never skilled into a vehicle and I can tell you they are under powered.
I was in my first match ever in an ADS when as soon as I entered the first real enemy engagement I swooped in only to have a Swarmer, a pro forger, and a OFFICER FORGER immedietely instakill me. This was way in the beginning of the match when the enemy doesn't even know what to expect and they're already in full AV suits? Don't give me any of that "ADS's are OP, Swarms should be buffed" ****. I used a total of 10 Pythons that battle constantly trying to be useful to my team. You know what happened? I got a grand total of 0 kills, 10 deaths (pilot goes down with the ship logic) and 200 points from uplink team spawns. I thought to myself "Maybe I'm just having a bad match and coincedently got put in a battle with a guy who wanted to brandish an officer forge for fun." And so I searched for the next battle, hoping for something better. I was wrong.
Bridge map, go on the enemy side. Instablooped in a matter of seconds WITH my hardener on and my shield booster having been activated. You know why? 3 RAILGUN tanks, another GOD DAMN FORGER, and to top it off, a Caldari Assault CK.0 with (wait for it)...... a BEACON'S SWARM LAUNCHER.
I've lost a total of 20 mil in two matches. Let me emphasize that. TWO MATCHES. And I got 1 kill on a frontline suit in a blaster turret.
I need help ADSing, I'm almost destroyed my headphones and my PS3 controller and I'm about to get ready to rage quit this game.
Any suggestions? Tips? Git gud comments? Inevitable "Bucket of tears" trolls? I need a few. experienced ADS pilots to help me get good at this.
One last thing. AV needs to be nerfed to the ground. Swarms are way to effective, I got killed by a railgun tank while 500 meters above ground (on bridge map) and was blapped by a forge at that same distance (about.)
TL;DR: First time flying an ADS not good. AV OP. Nerf AV. Need help with piloting.
1. If AV was OP, you'd know, more than likely you faced more than 1 competent team of AV, 2 people with swarms is more than enough to take down any ADS provided their quick enough on their fire time, a solo proto swarmer isn't enough unless its a beacon's which can immediately be taken out of the equation for "nerf/rebalancing" as any would know, OFFICER weapons are end game weapon's and are meant to be OP.
2. Railgun's? Seriously, you must've been flying with you're tail end scraping the ground, unless they hit you from 200meters, forge guns, different story, same ending as most, stay for a spell made by some rookie, expect to either blow up or turn into a toad hiding behind a big rock. FG's require you to actually lead the target, like RG's, but unlike them, they require charge up time, if you were sifting through AV shot's, you should've known what would happen to your ADS if you stayed longer, which you did, and you died.
3. So... not only did you lose a few dropships, you ALSO stayed with the ship?.... Hey uuhh... which server do you play on? which faction too? (Seriousness now) You fail to realize your #1 critical error.... You... Are.... GREEEEEEN! I once took and hacked the enemies ADS and began using it for myself, managed to keep it alive a long time, using its missiles to kill 90% of the opposition, even with PLC's and swarms hitting me, I'd just jet out and jet back in once my-sorry-HIS mods came back online, I'd jet back in, cause major damage. I could also tell my enemy was new to ADS as well, because, I manage to out maneuver him and strike back, bare in mind, I'm green too, haven't flown an ADS besides that one time before. Boy, was the enemy PIIISSSSEED! *TROLL FACE YOLO420*.
So yeah you just need to actually get used to flying and shooting and knowing when to fly away, know when tor run. And count your ISK.
When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
1
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Posted - 2015.09.23 13:27:00 -
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Why not spec LAV?
Lav is LOVE
lav is LIFE
Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto
One V One Emperor
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
845
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Posted - 2015.09.23 13:34:00 -
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Learn to cut your losses, if they see you're just going to keep bringing them warpoints they're going to stay in proto AV gear
ADS Ramming Revenge!
Plasma Cannon Rampage
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Jared Fogle
Fake Ancient Exiles. 2.0
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Posted - 2015.09.23 13:43:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:TL;DR at the bottom
Do not expect good grammar well constructed sentences or nice words in this thread. I'm about done with this BS and the reason is because Swarms, Rail Gun Turrets, and Forge Guns. They are OP against ADS and I can't even do anything about it. I'm about to quit this game because I decided to respec into ADS.
I'm going to tell you a story, a story of a high school sophmore whose over protective parents don't like the blood and violence in this game that there was while I was nova knifing. So I decided to take the high road and buy a respec into Assault Dropships, inspired by one of saxonmish's recent videos.
It was a giant mistake. First match literally 5 minutes after I made my first Assault Dropship. My fitting was: Python, 1 Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender, 1 Complex Shield Hardener, 1 Complex (Enhanced? I forgot) Light shield booster, a Complex PG mod and XT-1 Missile Launcher. Every one of my vehicle skills is MAXED out.
I have never ADS'ed before and have never skilled into a vehicle and I can tell you they are under powered.
I was in my first match ever in an ADS when as soon as I entered the first real enemy engagement I swooped in only to have a Swarmer, a pro forger, and a OFFICER FORGER immedietely instakill me. This was way in the beginning of the match when the enemy doesn't even know what to expect and they're already in full AV suits? Don't give me any of that "ADS's are OP, Swarms should be buffed" ****. I used a total of 10 Pythons that battle constantly trying to be useful to my team. You know what happened? I got a grand total of 0 kills, 10 deaths (pilot goes down with the ship logic) and 200 points from uplink team spawns. I thought to myself "Maybe I'm just having a bad match and coincedently got put in a battle with a guy who wanted to brandish an officer forge for fun." And so I searched for the next battle, hoping for something better. I was wrong.
Bridge map, go on the enemy side. Instablooped in a matter of seconds WITH my hardener on and my shield booster having been activated. You know why? 3 RAILGUN tanks, another GOD DAMN FORGER, and to top it off, a Caldari Assault CK.0 with (wait for it)...... a BEACON'S SWARM LAUNCHER.
I've lost a total of 20 mil in two matches. Let me emphasize that. TWO MATCHES. And I got 1 kill on a frontline suit in a blaster turret.
I need help ADSing, I'm almost destroyed my headphones and my PS3 controller and I'm about to get ready to rage quit this game.
Any suggestions? Tips? Git gud comments? Inevitable "Bucket of tears" trolls? I need a few. experienced ADS pilots to help me get good at this.
One last thing. AV needs to be nerfed to the ground. Swarms are way to effective, I got killed by a railgun tank while 500 meters above ground (on bridge map) and was blapped by a forge at that same distance (about.)
TL;DR: First time flying an ADS not good. AV OP. Nerf AV. Need help with piloting.
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 13:43:00 -
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Jared Fogle wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:TL;DR at the bottom
Do not expect good grammar well constructed sentences or nice words in this thread. I'm about done with this BS and the reason is because Swarms, Rail Gun Turrets, and Forge Guns. They are OP against ADS and I can't even do anything about it. I'm about to quit this game because I decided to respec into ADS.
I'm going to tell you a story, a story of a high school sophmore whose over protective parents don't like the blood and violence in this game that there was while I was nova knifing. So I decided to take the high road and buy a respec into Assault Dropships, inspired by one of saxonmish's recent videos.
It was a giant mistake. First match literally 5 minutes after I made my first Assault Dropship. My fitting was: Python, 1 Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender, 1 Complex Shield Hardener, 1 Complex (Enhanced? I forgot) Light shield booster, a Complex PG mod and XT-1 Missile Launcher. Every one of my vehicle skills is MAXED out.
I have never ADS'ed before and have never skilled into a vehicle and I can tell you they are under powered.
I was in my first match ever in an ADS when as soon as I entered the first real enemy engagement I swooped in only to have a Swarmer, a pro forger, and a OFFICER FORGER immedietely instakill me. This was way in the beginning of the match when the enemy doesn't even know what to expect and they're already in full AV suits? Don't give me any of that "ADS's are OP, Swarms should be buffed" ****. I used a total of 10 Pythons that battle constantly trying to be useful to my team. You know what happened? I got a grand total of 0 kills, 10 deaths (pilot goes down with the ship logic) and 200 points from uplink team spawns. I thought to myself "Maybe I'm just having a bad match and coincedently got put in a battle with a guy who wanted to brandish an officer forge for fun." And so I searched for the next battle, hoping for something better. I was wrong.
Bridge map, go on the enemy side. Instablooped in a matter of seconds WITH my hardener on and my shield booster having been activated. You know why? 3 RAILGUN tanks, another GOD DAMN FORGER, and to top it off, a Caldari Assault CK.0 with (wait for it)...... a BEACON'S SWARM LAUNCHER.
I've lost a total of 20 mil in two matches. Let me emphasize that. TWO MATCHES. And I got 1 kill on a frontline suit in a blaster turret.
I need help ADSing, I'm almost destroyed my headphones and my PS3 controller and I'm about to get ready to rage quit this game.
Any suggestions? Tips? Git gud comments? Inevitable "Bucket of tears" trolls? I need a few. experienced ADS pilots to help me get good at this.
One last thing. AV needs to be nerfed to the ground. Swarms are way to effective, I got killed by a railgun tank while 500 meters above ground (on bridge map) and was blapped by a forge at that same distance (about.)
TL;DR: First time flying an ADS not good. AV OP. Nerf AV. Need help with piloting. Stfu whiny azz rican tranny dik sucking baby
You're gonna have to get in line.
AVERT YOUR EYES!
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2015.09.23 14:21:00 -
[34] - Quote
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:How many people come to the forums to complain about items because they died and more or less expressed bias and not a willingness to compromise for balance sake ?
I've watched swarms go from godly infantry slayers to useless dead weight to free WP farms. I've clocked more hours in the sky than I care to admit.
Sometimes you just know when something is ******. Swarms are ******. The simple fact is they are no fun to fight against. It's just run run run unless you double harden and even then, running is STILL the preferred tactic as if you don't immediately land the kill you will still likely go up in flames to yet another swarmer or AV on your way out.
Any weapon that auto tracks for over half of the map, dips around buildings, is generally glitchy and can be swapped out at one of the many supply depots, is going to be frustrating at the absolute best.
If a weapon requires very little input on the part of the operator, it should be less effective than a more skill oriented weapon such as the forge or the PLC. However, this is not the case. Swarms are THE go to AV weapon thanks to ease of use and overall effectiveness. They need to be taken down a notch, or dropships need to be brought up a notch.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.23 14:50:00 -
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What you invested in with SP you lack in experience. You cant just buy your way towads being a pilot.
Lesson 1: Never attack multiple AV. I have no idea why you thought taking on 2 forge guns and swarmer was a good strategy.
Lesson 2: Understand your surroundings. Check for glows indicating forgers are on thie field. Investagate high points. Understand where the redlines are and where you are relative to them. Be wary of any red supply depot. The same goes for installations.
Lesson 3: Evade, evade, evade. Never fly in a straight line, and always keep you speed up. Be ready to afterburn as soon as anything, and i do mean anything hits your ship.
Lesson 4: Listen carfeully. Swamrs hardly render, but half of the time you can hear a swarm launch. If you hear a launch, and you did not see the swamer just afterburn to the sky
Lesson 5: Pay Attention to enemy RDVs. Its always worth to flyover at a decent hieght and see what they dropped.
Lesson 6: Never engage without your hardner and afterburner ready to go. Stay in your readline roughly behind and above your MCC while they recharge.
Lesson 7: Know your enemy. You need to know what kind of AV is hitting you, whether its an Incubus, a Rail tank, A swarmer or a forge gun. Sounds obvious right? But there a massive difference in damage recieved from a kalkiotta forge and an Aldins. One can engage, the other you have to run.
Lesson 8: Kill equipment first!! The infantry you just killed will respaWn on the closest link in AV.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 14:50:00 -
[36] - Quote
Tesfa Alem wrote:What you invested in with SP you lack in experience. You cant just buy your way towads being a pilot.
Lesson 1: Never attack multiple AV. I have no idea why you thought taking on 2 forge guns and swarmer was a good strategy.
Lesson 2: Understand your surroundings. Check for glows indicating forgers are on thie field. Investagate high points. Understand where the redlines are and where you are relative to them. Be wary of any red supply depot. The same goes for installations.
Lesson 3: Evade, evade, evade. Never fly in a straight line, and always keep you speed up. Be ready to afterburn as soon as anything, and i do mean anything hits your ship.
Lesson 4: Listen carfeully. Swamrs hardly render, but half of the time you can hear a swarm launch. If you hear a launch, and you did not see the swamer just afterburn to the sky
Lesson 5: Pay Attention to enemy RDVs. Its always worth to flyover at a decent hieght and see what they dropped.
Lesson 6: Never engage without your hardner and afterburner ready to go. Stay in your readline roughly behind and above your MCC while they recharge.
Lesson 7: Know your enemy. You need to know what kind of AV is hitting you, whether its an Incubus, a Rail tank, A swarmer or a forge gun. Sounds obvious right? But there a massive difference in damage recieved from a kalkiotta forge and an Aldins. One can engage, the other you have to run.
Lesson 8: Kill equipment first!! The infantry you just killed will respaWn on the closest link in AV.
I wasn't aware of the AV initially because I just flew in.
AVERT YOUR EYES!
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2015.09.23 14:57:00 -
[37] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:
I wasn't aware of the AV initially because I just flew in.
It's safe to assume that 2-3 Proto AV will spawn in at the very beginning of any match, if only to farm installations. There is never a point in a match against competent players that a squads worth of AV won't be roaming around somewhere. |
argel999
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
23
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:25:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:I need actual frickin advice here people. (Johnny and VAHZZ I'm looking at you) Just make a super cheap fit and practice. AV is a bit powerful, but knowing when to fly high to dodge or to when to swoop in is something that needs to be learned. Just like how I am learning how to tank. The pro tankers make it look easy (I aint talking about those p.ssy redline tanks either) and I thought I could do it too. I am still a sh.t tanker but I keep practicing, lost over 100mil so far, but I am better then I was when I first started tanking. Thats the only advice I can give.
Yeap, Jonny is right, make up a cheap fitting then practice a lot, personally I use FG against ADV and some Militia Ships Flew away from this planet xD #LOL
Seriously dude, with practice u'll be enough difficult to shoot like Usain Bold with diarrhea.
...SLAYER...
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:28:00 -
[39] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:
I wasn't aware of the AV initially because I just flew in.
Those AV ambushes happen all the time. Thats normal.
Where you messed up was going back with a long line of Pythons trying to fight it out. Even the ground troopers think twice against charging two forge gunners in the open. And dropships are always, always in the open.
i want to say "dont just fly in." but until you have enough experience to know how to pick and choose your engagements, you will learn though lots of trial and error.
I'l give youa solid example. If I get this map, I know I am going to be engaging uplinks and troops exposed where the pipes meet the tower. They will be concentrated at a specific point, and i have time to hit them early before they are established. I f i get their uplinks frist they have to travel with AV from thier MCC. and our team has a solid foothold on the tower.
The enemy will generally be on thier side of the pipes, and may try to stick uplinks on the slant. If i keep circling the tower, i mitigate any threat from redline rails.
If i am under AV fire, i can use the tower to prevent any more locks. Also, i know that on that map the flight ceiling is abusrdly low but the flight area is very big. On that map i dont have to worry about installations, and i generally have a feel for what distances redling tanks can engage at.
Going stright up i will be well within the reach of ground or pipe AV, and my dropship will stall and eat every swarm volley. So i learned on this map to never afterburn straight up, but in the direction I am already traveling.
All of this i learned by being blown up until i got it "right"
A new pilot would just try sit on top of the pipes, get knocked by AV straight into the building. Or try to climb straight up under swarmfire, and raging like mad when swarms catchup to you when your dropship is locked into place by the flight ceiling.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:29:00 -
[40] - Quote
There is no blood in this game........ unfortunately
Closed Beta Vet.
Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C
It's not a dick, don't take it so hard bruh- hate mail response
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VAHZZ
RabbitGang
9
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:31:00 -
[41] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:There is no blood in this game........ unfortunately
Um..yes there is
Co-Founder of RabbitGang
"VAHZZ is Forum Jesus" - GJR
But Jesus lives down the street...
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:35:00 -
[42] - Quote
VAHZZ wrote:Void Echo wrote:There is no blood in this game........ unfortunately Um..yes there is
It's pretty low key compared to most games on the market though. And there is no gore to speak of.
Really this game is about as PG as it gets for a non Wii Shooter |
Bremen van Equis
Incorruptibles
708
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:53:00 -
[43] - Quote
If there's a whole squad camping on a rooftop, two of them will be Swarmandos...be warned.
Buckle up, boysGǪthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2015.09.23 17:05:00 -
[44] - Quote
Ignore the ignorant trolls.
But honestly, ADS are not underpowered. They are not flying death machines. They are high risk/high reward, and require a lot of actual practice to be good at. They are not meant to be flying tanks. They hit and run. If the y stick around the AV will bring them down. Rightly it should. You are essentially immune to all damage except from swarms. Not a lot of counter play there, and if the other team has weak AV or uncoordinated solo players you can essentially safely kill with impunity. The key is practice and realizing you can't shoe horn an ADS into every fight. ITs great SOME of the time, not most of the time. So my real suggestions are practice more, and have a fit that you enjoy on the ground for the 70% of the time an ADS is not very helpful. Remember vehicles are more seasoning than meat in this game. The infantry combat takes center role. |
Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
No Context
1
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Posted - 2015.09.23 18:38:00 -
[45] - Quote
What a coincidence. I'm also a sophomore who's parents don't like violence. So I play in the morning while they are still awake.
Now, I agree the AV is op on ships, but ads aren't bad. You have to spend time with them. I am go 22/0 with a python. You just need to know how to fit and use them.
My personal fav Python fit-
Pro missile
Adv booster
Adv hardener
Adv light extender
Adv ammo middle ammo expansion
When attacking and no signs of av, don't use your hardener, just take damage and if low on shields, boost. If there is AV, hit hardeners and make the av-ers your prime target. Don't let them take you out. Once low on shield, hit hardener.
And most importantly- DONT BE AFRAID TO BACK OUT.
CEO of T-W-L
YouTube- Lightning35 Delta514
Twitter- @LD3514
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VAHZZ
RabbitGang
9
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Posted - 2015.09.23 19:09:00 -
[46] - Quote
Murder Medic wrote:VAHZZ wrote:Void Echo wrote:There is no blood in this game........ unfortunately Um..yes there is It's pretty low key compared to most games on the market though. And there is no gore to speak of. Really this game is about as PG as it gets for a non Wii Shooter
True, but there is still blood, however little. Void is just talking out of his ass again.
Co-Founder of RabbitGang
"VAHZZ is Forum Jesus" - GJR
But Jesus lives down the street...
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 19:20:00 -
[47] - Quote
Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:What a coincidence. I'm also a sophomore who's parents don't like violence. So I play in the morning while they are still awake.
Now, I agree the AV is op on ships, but ads aren't bad. You have to spend time with them. I am go 22/0 with a python. You just need to know how to fit and use them.
My personal fav Python fit-
Pro missile
Adv booster
Adv hardener
Adv light extender
Adv ammo middle ammo expansion
When attacking and no signs of av, don't use your hardener, just take damage and if low on shields, boost. If there is AV, hit hardeners and make the av-ers your prime target. Don't let them take you out. Once low on shield, hit hardener.
And most importantly- DONT BE AFRAID TO BACK OUT.
Not good with ADS's but if I have missile ammo expansion at V (which I do) wouldn't it be better to trade the ammo expansion module for a better light extender/hardener?
AVERT YOUR EYES!
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
No Context
1
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Posted - 2015.09.23 19:51:00 -
[48] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:What a coincidence. I'm also a sophomore who's parents don't like violence. So I play in the morning while they are still awake.
Now, I agree the AV is op on ships, but ads aren't bad. You have to spend time with them. I am go 22/0 with a python. You just need to know how to fit and use them.
My personal fav Python fit-
Pro missile
Adv booster
Adv hardener
Adv light extender
Adv ammo middle ammo expansion
When attacking and no signs of av, don't use your hardener, just take damage and if low on shields, boost. If there is AV, hit hardeners and make the av-ers your prime target. Don't let them take you out. Once low on shield, hit hardener.
And most importantly- DONT BE AFRAID TO BACK OUT. Not good with ADS's but if I have missile ammo expansion at V (which I do) wouldn't it be better to trade the ammo expansion module for a better light extender/hardener?
If it suits you. Personally, this fit is extremely effective for me. Decent shields, hardener for AV, can hit booster to stay on battle longer, and don't need to be going back to redline for more ammo.
CEO of T-W-L
YouTube- Lightning35 Delta514
Twitter- @LD3514
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.09.23 19:55:00 -
[49] - Quote
VAHZZ wrote:Murder Medic wrote:VAHZZ wrote:Void Echo wrote:There is no blood in this game........ unfortunately Um..yes there is It's pretty low key compared to most games on the market though. And there is no gore to speak of. Really this game is about as PG as it gets for a non Wii Shooter True, but there is still blood, however little. Void is just talking out of his ass again.
In all my years of being on dust, I have never seen a single drop of blood.
If I had seen blood on this game at some point, I would have said it
Closed Beta Vet.
Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C
It's not a dick, don't take it so hard bruh- hate mail response
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maybe deadcatz
Horizons' Edge
No Context
851
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Posted - 2015.09.23 22:49:00 -
[50] - Quote
Lol I just saw you in battle. You were flying that python in a logistics ak.0! Aw man I ALMOST feel bad for you. OK maybe a little. I was swarming you.
Dust 514:Plasma is magic.
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles.
Ushra'Khan
2
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Posted - 2015.09.23 23:23:00 -
[51] - Quote
Well I guess this is it, XxBlazikenxX is officially in the biomass que. Unless GM Archduke refunds my skill reset I'm gone for good because I can't last 5 seconds in a match without an entire team of AV on my tail.
It doesn't matter where I go, I run away and as soon as I think I'm safe there's another AV waiting for me.
All my isk and gear is already given away. Looks like I'll be in Doomheim in 10 hours...
AVERT YOUR EYES!
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Sned TheDead
Failures inc.
983
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Posted - 2015.09.23 23:33:00 -
[52] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:Well I guess this is it, XxBlazikenxX is officially in the biomass que. Unless GM Archduke refunds my skill reset I'm gone for good because I can't last 5 seconds in a match without an entire team of AV on my tail.
It doesn't matter where I go, I run away and as soon as I think I'm safe there's another AV waiting for me.
All my isk and gear is already given away. Looks like I'll be in Doomheim in 10 hours...
why the **** do you think this is a good idea?
what about this is a good idea? one good reason.
right here right now, give me a good reason as to why the hell anyone should biomass.
MUSIC!
Sned T. Dead
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maybe deadcatz
Horizons' Edge
No Context
851
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Posted - 2015.09.23 23:37:00 -
[53] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:Well I guess this is it, XxBlazikenxX is officially in the biomass que. Unless GM Archduke refunds my skill reset I'm gone for good because I can't last 5 seconds in a match without an entire team of AV on my tail.
It doesn't matter where I go, I run away and as soon as I think I'm safe there's another AV waiting for me.
All my isk and gear is already given away. Looks like I'll be in Doomheim in 10 hours...
You don't have to biomass you know. Once this game does die ccp will biomass us all willingly or not.
Dust 514:Plasma is magic.
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