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Mina Longstrike wrote:

People complain about proto-stomp squads and the lack of matchmaking, so CCP adds in a MU matchmaker so that vets aren't getting put against total noobs. People complain about getting deployed to 'bad' / 'lost' matches... so CCP sets the matchmaker so that people don't get deployed to 'bad' matches. People complain about some other stuff, so CCP tweaks the matchmaker so that it takes a few minutes before deciding to repopulate a match (I think this had to do with MU values). People complain about how easy it is for a single six man squad to dominate a match (and this is true - look at what happens in fw with 8man squads that aren't countered by better 8 man squads), so CCP reduces squad sizes.

It turns out that "Vets" don't like fighting "Vets" because they're assholes with tiny ***** syndrome that need to exploit every broken mechanical advantage they can get. So people start going "Oh, I dont like fighting those guys... I'm leaving" usually taking their squads with them... which causes other "vets" to go "OMG WE'RE DOWN PEOPLE, THIS IS STUPID" because the matchmaker doesn't repopulate immediately and they leave... at which point the matchmaker goes "Oh, this is a bad match, I'm not going to repopulate it" and the match that might have actually been "okay" if people played it, is now a genuinely bad match (largely due to vets being pretty risk averse, passive and utterly frustrating to play against).

Congrats guys... this is the matchmaking that YOU complained hard enough to get. You are ruining matches and you have NO ONE to blame but yourselves, because this is what YOU asked for.

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MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 02:45:00 - [91] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: And the red-line existence MAKES BALANCE IMPOSSIBLE. Asserting it doesn't make it true. Prove it. Changing the redline for a MCC turret isn't actually a 'change' if they both functionally do the same damn thing. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 839	Posted - 2015.08.20 02:48:00 - [92] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: And the red-line existence MAKES BALANCE IMPOSSIBLE. Asserting it doesn't make it true. Prove it. Changing the redline for a MCC turret isn't actually a 'change' if they both functionally do the same damn thing. Prove it? It's called practicality. The reason tanks are always feel over or under powered is because they have a safe zone where they can hide after there mods pop off. That makes balance LITERRALLY IMPOSSIBLE for AV. They either hit hard enough to deal with that BS or don't. They either dedicate 2-3 players to deal with one or they don't. Infantry is in the same boat but at a smaller scale since TTK is much smaller. The red line to begin with was a part of data-mining us. The game modes we have are quick fixes for the removal of skirm 1.0 so they could continue to data mine. We weren't supposed to stay this way until CCP ****** us over.
Starlight Burner Vader's-Fist 428	Posted - 2015.08.20 02:51:00 - [93] - Quote True Adamance wrote: There is literally no one will to rush right into the middle of a squad of communicating players to pad their KD's or lose ISK.... Pub matches simply don't mean enough to be worth it. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
Starlight Burner Vader's-Fist 428	Posted - 2015.08.20 02:55:00 - [94] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: I can't make money by throwing myself at the enemy. I will lose more than I would gain. just run a standard or cheap suit dude. you don't need to run advanced or proto all the time Again, what is the point of me throwing myself at the enemy losing isk or continuing to not have fun in this ' unfun ' game already. Lets not forget that there is no incentives to even continue trying when you still get some ** ass payout less than 200k. Not even ***** worth the frustration. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 02:57:00 - [95] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: It's called practicality. The reason tanks are always feel over or under powered is because they have a safe zone where they can hide after there mods pop off. That makes balance LITERRALLY IMPOSSIBLE for AV. They either hit hard enough to deal with that BS or don't. They either dedicate 2-3 players to deal with one or they don't. Infantry is in the same boat but at a smaller scale since TTK is much smaller. Those aren't exactly strong arguments. In fact you just confirmed that you want to stand in the redline and make it so people NEVER have a safe zone. Your statement can be paraphrased as "vehicles sometimes get away from me without dying and it makes me mad because I'm not allowed to chase them into a safe-zone and camp them to ensure their death". In any case, vehicle vs anti-vehicle is an ancilliary issue to the red line, the fulcrum of V vs AV is not the redline. Shadowed Cola wrote: The red line to begin with was a part of data-mining us. The game modes we have are quick fixes for the removal of skirm 1.0 so they could continue to data mine. We weren't supposed to stay this way until CCP **** us over. This is another assertion without any supporting evidence, it can be dismissed as easily as it was created. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 839	Posted - 2015.08.20 03:09:00 - [96] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: It's called practicality. The reason tanks are always feel over or under powered is because they have a safe zone where they can hide after there mods pop off. That makes balance LITERRALLY IMPOSSIBLE for AV. They either hit hard enough to deal with that BS or don't. They either dedicate 2-3 players to deal with one or they don't. Infantry is in the same boat but at a smaller scale since TTK is much smaller. Those aren't exactly strong arguments. In fact you just confirmed that you want to stand in the redline and make it so people NEVER have a safe zone. Your statement can be paraphrased as "vehicles sometimes get away from me without dying and it makes me mad because I'm not allowed to chase them into a safe-zone and camp them to ensure their death". In any case, vehicle vs anti-vehicle is an ancilliary issue to the red line, the fulcrum of V vs AV is not the redline. Shadowed Cola wrote: The red line to begin with was a part of data-mining us. The game modes we have are quick fixes for the removal of skirm 1.0 so they could continue to data mine. We weren't supposed to stay this way until CCP ****** us over. This is another assertion without any supporting evidence, it can be dismissed as easily as it was created. I can't tell if you're trying to respond to me seriously or not. Mainly because of how dismissive you're being. The AV discussion is absolutely true, you can't balance it with the red line present. And enabling people to hide in this game was never a good idea to begin with. You have free suits for a reason if you don't want to play the Risk vs Reward that is ALREADY NON EXISTENT. CCP doesn't care about the NPE so discussing things for the newbies side of things is god damn pointless. Remove the red line so at least the players who still care can enjoy the damn game. Without a proper NPE there isn't any solution that'll seem viable - and even less so without a proper client side update. But removing that red line is very possible.
howard sanchez Vader's-Fist 1	Posted - 2015.08.20 03:52:00 - [97] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: ok prime example right here. your corporation has the goal to take 100% of MH in PC. now ask yourself if you keep leaveing battle and never testing yourself when you go to launch a attack in PC how many districts do you think you will flip? your CEO should have installed this knowledge to you because 501st will stay and fight i know this. I'm a CP worker. Don't PC unless I have to. Again, how am I going to fund my war against Gallente Scum in Factional Warfare, if all I'm getting is 130k isk for a **** match and take a loss in isk. Okay what about my BPOs? The fk would I continue to sit through frustration for to make 130k isk for? This right here. Does anyone here even remember open beta? The rage and chaos on the forums about people AFKing in the MCC was relentless. It's always been this way in DUST. And it should stay this way. Because DUST is about freedom of choice. And choice matters. And team work matters. And everyone has a right to play how they want. That means you can play pubs and quit all day long...and the game won't hold it against you. You might not advance as fast, it might be more or less fun for you...you might not get on elite PC teams...but that's the point! It's up to you. And Starlight is dead right! Big corps need players of every ilk. And in the new age of PC big corps need people that will just log in and grind CP for the team. This is a valuable role in big corps, even if we haven't yet seen it employed the way we will soon. Seriously people, some of you have been playing DUST a long LONG time... people leaving battle has never meant that much in any single pub match. Just 2 days ago, I was in a random pub and half my underdog team quit midway through a hard stomp. By the end of match it was me and 2 other guys left. I made 950,000 isk that match. The clones around at the DEFEAT screen get a larger portion of the damage pool payout. Quitters make you money if you keep going hard. Don't judge. Just fight. Fight your own damn way - but fight.
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.08.20 03:56:00 - [98] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: People complain about proto-stomp squads and the lack of matchmaking, so CCP adds in a MU matchmaker so that vets aren't getting put against total noobs. People complain about getting deployed to 'bad' / 'lost' matches... so CCP sets the matchmaker so that people don't get deployed to 'bad' matches. People complain about some other stuff, so CCP tweaks the matchmaker so that it takes a few minutes before deciding to repopulate a match (I think this had to do with MU values). People complain about how easy it is for a single six man squad to dominate a match (and this is true - look at what happens in fw with 8man squads that aren't countered by better 8 man squads), so CCP reduces squad sizes. It turns out that "Vets" don't like fighting "Vets" because they're assholes with tiny ***** syndrome that need to exploit every broken mechanical advantage they can get. So people start going "Oh, I dont like fighting those guys... I'm leaving" usually taking their squads with them... which causes other "vets" to go "OMG WE'RE DOWN PEOPLE, THIS IS STUPID" because the matchmaker doesn't repopulate immediately and they leave... at which point the matchmaker goes "Oh, this is a bad match, I'm not going to repopulate it" and the match that might have actually been "okay" if people played it, is now a genuinely bad match (largely due to vets being pretty risk averse, passive and utterly frustrating to play against). Congrats guys... this is the matchmaking that YOU complained hard enough to get. You are ruining matches and you have NO ONE to blame but yourselves, because this is what YOU asked for. Hey there us "Vets" aren't all the same just like u "rookies/new guys/newbies" or whatever u wanna be called aren't the same. There have been too many people that started back in the day (closed beta) and too many people that might have started a year or two ago that just go from one FOTM to the next, that always want to win and exploit the shite out of anything they can in the game. So ya my point is exploiters and tourists going from one FOTM to the next are not just vets they're also plenty of people which arent considered vets which do these things. Time since Legion News
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 04:18:00 - [99] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: I can't tell if you're trying to respond to me seriously or not. Mainly because of how dismissive you're being. This is how rational discussion works - If you can't substantiate something with evidence or well reasoned arguments I am entirely within my rights to dismiss it. We do not have to disprove things that haven't been proven (eg "a teacup is orbiting earth - you can't prove me wrong so its TRUE" "You molested a child, you cant prove me wrong SO ITS TRUE") or given reasonable cause to believe. It's far easier to create fallacious statements than it is to disprove them, which is why (in rational discussion) we don't entertain fallacies. Shadowed Cola wrote: The AV discussion is absolutely true, you can't balance it with the red line present. And enabling people to hide in this game was never a good idea to begin with. You have free suits for a reason if you don't want to play the Risk vs Reward that is ALREADY NON EXISTENT. You are once again asserting that V vs AV is IMPOSSIBLE to balance as long as redlines exist and that simply isn't true, nor is it even believable (unless you're seriously turning off critical thought processes). There's plenty of ways to make it work - much slower vehicles (and lower damaged av weapons), better balanced modules, etc. As stated before the redline is not the fulcrum upon which vehicles are balanced, otherwise it and it alone would dictate engagements. Shadowed Cola wrote: CCP doesn't care about the NPE so discussing things for the newbies side of things is god damn pointless. FACTUALLY. **ING. UNTRUE. If this was the case, Rattati himself would not have THREATENED TO BAN PEOPLE THAT WERE CYCLING ALTS JUST TO FARM THE BATTLE ACADEMY OR MADE THE CHANGES THAT PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING NOW! If this were the case, mu changes would never have happened, nor would their be high and low brackets for players, people would be tossed up against bittervets every ing match. Almost every time a new player posts on the forums with a reasonable rational thread detailing their experiences with dust, a dev responds. Hell it happened earlier this week where archduke asked if he could play with the guy. If you're going to LIE about at least make it ing plausible. Shadowed Cola wrote: Remove the red line so at least the players who still care can enjoy the damn game. Enjoy it how? because the only reason I can see for wanting the redline removed is to spawncamp (and you've yet to say anything that disproves that) and freely allow a hostile player to enter, stay and kill there. Shadowed Cola wrote: Without a proper NPE there isn't any solution that'll seem viable - and even less so without a proper client side update. What does redline have to do with NPE? what does redline have to do with client updates? You're not connecting these issues (largely because they're completely unrelated). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 841	Posted - 2015.08.20 04:38:00 - [100] - Quote Feel free to share with us everything CCP has done in the past 3 years to improve NPE. actually - go ahead and list anything at all done at any given point that has been implemented to improve NPE. I can only think of the PC changes - but that's not really for new players, but for ones ready to start exploring the game further. Threatening players that are going out of there way to harm NPE is CCP acting as moderators - not programmers. It's a given that abusing mechanics would leave to punishment. Fact is - and it is a fact wether you deny it or not - Red-line in FPS games only work if the objective is approachable and viable geographically from where you spawn in. The maps we have now makes the losing side suffer MORE.

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 04:58:00 - [101] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: since i have come back to this game i have noticed a horrible playerbase that has no fight in them whatsoever. 5min into every match and people are leaveing battle or running to the redline to grab their sniper rifle. bluedots leaveing battle redots leaveing battle dafuq u running to? there is no shame in staying in battle and haveing a bad game it probably will tuffen you up. and its not only the new player but vets to. i understand no one can make you fight but ask yourself why play the game in the first place. props to Summer Salt from Molon Labe who stayed in a battle after Sax and the rest just rage quit. Oddly the first 2 matches I played today were worse than ever. In my first match we ended up with only 3 people even on our team before the MCC even lost shields. Needless to say we got the **** kicked out of us. In my second match the enemy team ended up down to 7 people. It got so boring that even my team started leaving battle. The beautiful thing is this match gave me my strong box key for the day which resulted in a quafe combat rifle. SOOOOOO close to having the full collection of light weapons. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.20 05:00:00 - [102] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: Feel free to share with us everything CCP has done in the past 3 years to improve NPE. actually - go ahead and list anything at all done at any given point that has been implemented to improve NPE. I can only think of the PC changes - but that's not really for new players, but for ones ready to start exploring the game further. oh there's acsemdy! And it lasts, how many matches? .... Threatening players that are going out of there way to harm NPE is CCP acting as moderators - not programmers. It's a given that abusing mechanics would leave to punishment. Disagreeing with things that are facts makes you an idiot. I don't need to reference things that are common knowledge - it's your job to become informed about a topic before entering discussion on it. Your feelings about whether something has been targeted at new players or not is irrelevant, we're discussing reals, not feels. Shadowed Cola wrote: 1) Fact is - and it is a fact wether you deny it or not - Red-line in FPS games only work if the objective is approachable and viable geographically from where you spawn in. 2) It's not there so you can hide and act like pussies, it's a deployment zone so you can organize and push out. This never happens, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. And it's stupid to do it in your own red-line to begin with - it's a HORRIBLE deployment spot. 1) This is an opinion, not a fact. Facts are demonstrable. 2) You are correct in that it's a deployment zone and organizational zone, everything else contained in this statement is lazy slurs, ad hominem and poorly reasoned opinion and no, you are not entitled to an opinion, you are entitled only to what you can argue for. Let me pre-empt you here before your inevitable statement of "I'm entitled to my opinion". The problem with GÇ£IGÇÖm entitled to my opinionGÇ¥ is that, all too often, itGÇÖs used to shelter beliefs that should have been abandoned and people confuse opinions on "preference" for opinions stemming from technical expertise (straberry vs chocolate is preference, hydro-electric vs nuclear power is technical expertise). It becomes shorthand for GÇ£I can say or think whatever I likeGÇ¥ - which while technically true, you can think whatever you like and in places where free speech is protected you can say whatever you like... you are not however entitled to have those opinions treated as serious contenders for the truth especially when they've been repeatedly demonstrated to be incorrect. Shadowed Cola wrote: Just get rid of the red-line so at least the team that earned there win can enjoy it. The scrubs who still want safety can hide in the MCC playing cards. :3 Earned your win? How? by f**ting harder? Enjoy it by continuing to ft in the enemy redline? Repeating yourself ad nauseum doesn't make your statement any truer. The redline exists specifically to prevent spawncamping and serve as a safe deployment/organization zone. Your ulterior motives have been shown, go back to your dunce corner you would-be spawncamping statpadding game-ruining shitbreather. You. Are. Wrong. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
VAHZZ Vader's-Fist 7	Posted - 2015.08.20 05:06:00 - [103] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: oh there's acsemdy! And it lasts, how many matches?.. 3 matches of going 35/0...2 matches of going 50/2. Or, for the scrubs, usually 4 matches is the minimum, by minimum, I mean, the person sucking. I survived Survivor Shoot Ass with Yes!
captainIreland Mcalpines Fusiliers 41	Posted - 2015.08.20 05:08:00 - [104] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: Bpos sent to: Vahzz - G-1 Scout Mizuki - A-1 Sentinel LOL KILLZ - C-1 Assault & M-1 Commando Edgar - G-1 Assault. What I have left: 2 C-1 Assaults 2 G-1 Commandos 1 M-1 Commando 1 A-1 Logi 2 M-1 Logis 1 C-1 Scout I could give one of those G-1 Commandos a nice home with. As for red line games that were i get the lazer out perfect time I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.
Hal P DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2015.08.26 20:19:00 - [105] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: Do you need a BPO suit? I can hook you up if you do. I'm sitting on a ton that I don't need/don't use. I'll even give you one for free lol I HEARD FREE! Free? You give free? I will give you a free one because you are you. What do you want? Standard: C-1 Assault C-1 Scout G-1 Assault G-1 Scout G-1 Commando M-1 Commando M-1 Logi (I think) A-1 Sentinel A-1 Scout (I think) I'm not able to check right this second, there may be more and I have multiples. Just let me know what you want If it's free I'll snap the Assault C-1 up please! Hal P in-game in case you decide to bless me with a BPO.
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 72	Posted - 2015.08.26 20:53:00 - [106] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: since i have come back to this game i have noticed a horrible playerbase that has no fight in them whatsoever. 5min into every match and people are leaveing battle or running to the redline to grab their sniper rifle. bluedots leaveing battle redots leaveing battle dafuq u running to? there is no shame in staying in battle and haveing a bad game it probably will tuffen you up. and its not only the new player but vets to. i understand no one can make you fight but ask yourself why play the game in the first place. props to Summer Salt from Molon Labe who stayed in a battle after Sax and the rest just rage quit. For whatever reason ppl leave battles its up to them, everyone want find a game that he can enjoy, and also seeing often that ppl who rage on fourms about the issue, doing the same leaving is generally not a problem, there many factors behind affecting this. Main is player base of course, its size actually, end not last, its a game mechanic and matchmaking system design, in current state, well all what i want to say, -we have open beta client with a lot of features being even not released and without future development for years ready. You just awaiting to much from this Game The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.08.26 21:09:00 - [107] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: I average at least 410k a match even when I get stomped so you must be pretty bad if you're only getting 130k....... I average at least 410k a match even when I get stomped ^ This is a joke. so you must be pretty bad if you're only getting 130k....... ^ This is a insult and rude. Also, I'm not bad. I make my appearance known on the leaderboards. Especially in Faction Warfare against Gallente supporters. no not a joke, i assure you. also just an observation. even on a stomped end of a match my wp value is 1500+ (most of the time) it happens when you actually PUSH and don't give up. that's what gameplay looks like It is a well known fact that WP play a direct role in dictating how much ISK you get paid. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 7	Posted - 2015.08.26 21:30:00 - [108] - Quote I'm seeing kindof the same ****: only I'm just seeing a horrible playerbase. Gal FW my first battle back, saw a squad of ancient exiles on the other team (as opposed to the purely random gallente team) so I switched to my pure-MLT BPO fittings. Despite running proto and officer, those idiots STILL struggled to kill my militia ass. Wasn't just them either. Running pubs lately, the entire community is a joke. I feel like everybody got significantly worse while I stayed the same. The anti-tunnel snake taskforce has assembled
LHughes AFK Untill PS4 413	Posted - 2015.08.26 22:17:00 - [109] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm seeing kindof the same ****: only I'm just seeing a horrible playerbase. Gal FW my first battle back, saw a squad of ancient exiles on the other team (as opposed to the purely random gallente team) so I switched to my pure-MLT BPO fittings. Despite running proto and officer, those idiots STILL struggled to kill my militia ass. Wasn't just them either. Running pubs lately, the entire community is a joke. I feel like everybody got significantly worse while I stayed the same. They started getting worse over 2 years ago when you got their hopes up... ... I heard some are still waiting My relationship with my old abuser is complex.... I hate what he did to me but.... He's the best CEO you could wish for.
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 210	Posted - 2015.08.26 22:47:00 - [110] - Quote Hal P wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: Do you need a BPO suit? I can hook you up if you do. I'm sitting on a ton that I don't need/don't use. I'll even give you one for free lol I HEARD FREE! Free? You give free? I will give you a free one because you are you. What do you want? Standard: C-1 Assault C-1 Scout G-1 Assault G-1 Scout G-1 Commando M-1 Commando M-1 Logi (I think) A-1 Sentinel A-1 Scout (I think) I'm not able to check right this second, there may be more and I have multiples. Just let me know what you want If it's free I'll snap the Assault C-1 up please! Hal P in-game in case you decide to bless me with a BPO. I might have given the last one away, I'll check when I get out of class in a couple hours *KEQ Diplomat and Director* *ROFL. Diplomat and Red Button Pusher*

Devadander Woodgrain Atari 599	Posted - 2015.08.27 00:19:00 - [111] - Quote I never leave battle, I never stay in one spot, I link when nobody else will, I charge groups too large for me to handle, I pull a tank when the enemy has five, I spend more on MLT dropships in a week than most players do on suits, I don't want your approval nor applause. I just want you dead. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.08.27 04:41:00 - [112] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: Bpos sent to: Vahzz - G-1 Scout Mizuki - A-1 Sentinel LOL KILLZ - C-1 Assault & M-1 Commando Edgar - G-1 Assault. What I have left: 2 C-1 Assaults 2 G-1 Commandos 1 M-1 Commando 1 A-1 Logi 2 M-1 Logis 1 C-1 Scout Can I has M-1 Commando? People found this review helpful!


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