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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.08.08 12:10:00 -
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PC 2.0 has opened the way for ALL Corps to become PC active... By either creating, allying or joining Corps set to attack, all mercs can get involved
Last night muliple raids were launched at landholding Corps keeping them ran ragged for DMG And I have to salute the mercs involved '07' as mercs from all TZ's took part with no gain bar getting some fights There is life left in MH, more players need to become part of this and not by sending an app to one of the blobs..
But by joining smaller Corps and getting them fighting, add more groups to the game to add more fights.
I recently watched a YT vid of DMG V 0.H in a PC battle.. we lost out *big shocker* but that wasn't the worst part.. The 0.H team hit the Victory screen and there wasn't the slightest bit of surprise or joy in their WIN. - And it's not really surprising. In Dusts dead stage there are no teams big enough to fight them..
RGZ are but they made pretty friendship rings and don't look like dropping them N-F / PG / AoU / FA have the players that can contest them, but they keep to themselves
While too many Vet players want to sit about, farm profit and avoid tough battles, when they could be right in front of you.
MH need more fights, I am glad to help Corps that want to enter into them so get in touch in-game.. For those more cowardly, don't worry RGZ hide behind ROFL+0.H apply there for PC in a noob friendly environment
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
12
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Posted - 2015.08.08 12:39:00 -
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Eh, it isn't so much that we keep to ourselves so much as actively hunt targets that we know don't have enough people to defend their districts because we feel that if you can't defend it with your own people you don't deserve it. Dustcharts.com comes in handy for this as it displays districts owned by corporations and how many members each corporation has. So, if we see a district belonging to "Fuzzy's Fuzzleshack" and Fuzzy only has 11 people in his corporation, you can almost guarantee that they're just holding onto the district to farm it for DK. Soooo we confiscate it, sell it to someone that'll actually nurture it and wants to get into PC.
I'm always down for a PC and while I used to ask for payment, now it's sort of like... meh? I'm ISK stable even running proto at all times so, not like it's any skin off my back... I'll ring for anyone as long as it's not against NF and that's just a corp policy, lol.
Aeon Amadi for CPM 2
Design A SKIN 2
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jonny battles
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
112
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Posted - 2015.08.08 12:46:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:PC 2.0 has opened the way for ALL Corps to become PC active... By either creating, allying or joining Corps set to attack, all mercs can get involved Last night muliple raids were launched at landholding Corps keeping them ran ragged for DMG And I have to salute the mercs involved '07' as mercs from all TZ's took part with no gain bar getting some fights There is life left in MH, more players need to become part of this and not by sending an app to one of the blobs.. But by joining smaller Corps and getting them fighting, add more groups to the game to add more fights. I recently watched a YT vid of DMG V 0.H in a PC battle.. we lost out *big shocker* but that wasn't the worst part.. The 0.H team hit the Victory screen and there wasn't the slightest bit of surprise or joy in their WIN. - And it's not really surprising. In Dusts dead stage there are no teams big enough to fight them.. RGZ are but they made pretty friendship rings and don't look like dropping them N-F / PG / AoU / FA have the players that can contest them, but they keep to themselves While too many Vet players want to sit about, farm profit and avoid tough battles, when they could be right in front of you. MH need more fights, I am glad to help Corps that want to enter into them so get in touch in-game.. For those more cowardly, don't worry RGZ hide behind ROFL+0.H apply there for PC in a noob friendly environment
Lol we hide behind them? 95% of the time we bring 16 random gunz besides last night I don't remember the last time we used ringers. But if we're such coward's why did you guys have to mass attack us to get a single district and where the cowards?
It was just that easy
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demens grimwulff
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.08 12:49:00 -
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When Aeon says "sell", he means give. I have given away 2 districts in the past 2 weeks with the promise of help if they are attacked by the actual bully corps. NF has no intention of bullying or taking land from small corps who can field a team... but if you have less than 20 people and can only field ringers, you're just one of the larger corps farming DK for alts and isk for yourself.
If a smaller corp wants in PC and wants a piece of the MH pie, please contact me in game, I will be willing to help.
CPM2 Candidate
Intent to run is found here: Intent
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.08.08 13:04:00 -
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jonny battles wrote:TheD1CK wrote:PC 2.0 has opened the way for ALL Corps to become PC active... By either creating, allying or joining Corps set to attack, all mercs can get involved Last night muliple raids were launched at landholding Corps keeping them ran ragged for DMG And I have to salute the mercs involved '07' as mercs from all TZ's took part with no gain bar getting some fights There is life left in MH, more players need to become part of this and not by sending an app to one of the blobs.. But by joining smaller Corps and getting them fighting, add more groups to the game to add more fights. I recently watched a YT vid of DMG V 0.H in a PC battle.. we lost out *big shocker* but that wasn't the worst part.. The 0.H team hit the Victory screen and there wasn't the slightest bit of surprise or joy in their WIN. - And it's not really surprising. In Dusts dead stage there are no teams big enough to fight them.. RGZ are but they made pretty friendship rings and don't look like dropping them N-F / PG / AoU / FA have the players that can contest them, but they keep to themselves While too many Vet players want to sit about, farm profit and avoid tough battles, when they could be right in front of you. MH need more fights, I am glad to help Corps that want to enter into them so get in touch in-game.. For those more cowardly, don't worry RGZ hide behind ROFL+0.H apply there for PC in a noob friendly environment Lol we hide behind them? 95% of the time we bring 16 random gunz besides last night I don't remember the last time we used ringers. But if we're such coward's why did you guys have to mass attack us to get a single district and where the cowards?
Do they keep you on the bench ???
Ask the teams RGZ fight if they use ringers?? or 15 0.H to troll when it suits them... They (you just jumped on the wagon) rose up an underdog to pimp slap the Roman ERA.. Now they sit beside 0.H and openly farm smaller Corps and fight 'friendlies' with the competition..
M.H is a waste pile. Fights will never kick off until the friendship rings are got rid of
I don't want your districts, I may however have some fun making you defend all 20 of them
Trainwreck forum posting prof.5
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.08.08 13:08:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:When Aeon says "sell", he means give. I have given away 2 districts in the past 2 weeks with the promise of help if they are attacked by the actual bully corps. NF has no intention of bullying or taking land from small corps who can field a team... but if you have less than 20 people and can only field ringers, you're just one of the larger corps farming DK for alts and isk for yourself.
If a smaller corp wants in PC and wants a piece of the MH pie, please contact me in game, I will be willing to help.
Good news.
As a merc who has given Districts and time to see that Corps get into MH, this is needed.
WITHOUT COSTS.
The game is not the ISK fountain it used to be for a lot of players, new blood cannot pay those costs for land, ringers Or having back-up teams, what they need is support.. who better for that than the Vets we have left to help them out
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Genral69 death
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
616
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Posted - 2015.08.08 13:35:00 -
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Ask the teams RGZ fight if they use ringers?? or 15 0.H to troll when it suits them... Suits us =ƒÿä People cannot always be on for pc's, as people have real lifes. So on the odd occasion we bring help in, couple of guys from another corp that's bad . Almost all of my pc's with random gunz have been with a full team of us
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jonny battles
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
114
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Posted - 2015.08.08 13:41:00 -
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OK d1ck what your saying is that we should disband every alliance in the game? That so people can have no ally and just panic merge instead? What will that fix?
It was just that easy
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.08.08 14:46:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:Ask the teams RGZ fight if they use ringers?? or 15 0.H to troll when it suits them... Suits us =ƒÿä People cannot always be on for pc's, as people have real lifes. So on the odd occasion we bring help in, couple of guys from another corp that's bad . Almost all of my pc's with random gunz have been with a full team of us
Considering the daily recruitment spam.. that's hardly an achievement.
And yes jonny.. that is exactly what I am saying...
All alliances should be part of FIGHTING.. not sitting about wasting land that could be used for fights. The % of MH land unusable because so many are butt-buddies is depressing.. HTFU and attack each other
If not, events like 'The Random Bumming' will need to become a lot more common.
Trainwreck forum posting prof.5
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.08.08 14:48:00 -
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jonny battles wrote:OK d1ck what your saying is that we should disband every alliance in the game? That so people can have no ally and just panic merge instead? What will that fix?
C'mon.. every team in MH knows.. RG speed dial 0.H in danger as a back-up... Only after they are busy do you even use your own allies, so it's hardly that important to you
and lolpanicmerge.. how is recruiting every left over you can find anything different??
Trainwreck forum posting prof.5
Sorry I am too busy to come to the phone right now, I am actually playing the game.
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jonny battles
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
116
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Posted - 2015.08.08 15:25:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:jonny battles wrote:OK d1ck what your saying is that we should disband every alliance in the game? That so people can have no ally and just panic merge instead? What will that fix? C'mon.. every team in MH knows.. RG speed dial 0.H in danger as a back-up... Only after they are busy do you even use your own allies, so it's hardly that important to you and lolpanicmerge.. how is recruiting every left over you can find anything different??
Ok your not completely wrong but if oh and rgz panic merge what will thatt fix bcuz that what's it's going to come down to
It was just that easy
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.08.08 15:32:00 -
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jonny battles wrote:TheD1CK wrote:jonny battles wrote:OK d1ck what your saying is that we should disband every alliance in the game? That so people can have no ally and just panic merge instead? What will that fix? C'mon.. every team in MH knows.. RG speed dial 0.H in danger as a back-up... Only after they are busy do you even use your own allies, so it's hardly that important to you and lolpanicmerge.. how is recruiting every left over you can find anything different?? Ok your not completely wrong but if oh and rgz panic merge what will that fix and then people be like can't beat them join them
Because that is not exactly how it stands already ???
RG+0.H have assisted each other as long as I've seen PC, at this stage you may as well have merged. And why not ?? there is barely a Corp that can fight one of you, putting them together guarantees EZ PC
'Can't beat em, join em' May as well be the motto for competetive play around here
Which I don't get and hopefully never will, though it is hassle.. beating the best > hiding behind them
Trainwreck forum posting prof.5
Sorry I am too busy to come to the phone right now, I am actually playing the game.
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jonny battles
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
116
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Posted - 2015.08.08 15:38:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:jonny battles wrote:TheD1CK wrote:jonny battles wrote:OK d1ck what your saying is that we should disband every alliance in the game? That so people can have no ally and just panic merge instead? What will that fix? C'mon.. every team in MH knows.. RG speed dial 0.H in danger as a back-up... Only after they are busy do you even use your own allies, so it's hardly that important to you and lolpanicmerge.. how is recruiting every left over you can find anything different?? Ok your not completely wrong but if oh and rgz panic merge what will that fix and then people be like can't beat them join them Because that is not exactly how it stands already ??? RG+0.H have assisted each other as long as I've seen PC, at this stage you may as well have merged. And why not ?? there is barely a Corp that can fight one of you, putting them together guarantees EZ PC 'Can't beat em, join em' May as well be the motto for competetive play around here Which I don't get and hopefully never will, though it is hassle.. beating the best > hiding behind them
Trust me ik where your coming from but the fact is O.H and RGZ are using there own players 95% percent of the time so why does it matter every so often they ask for help. This what this thread is right? Asking anybody if they want help fighting?
It was just that easy
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Sgt Kirk
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.08.08 15:43:00 -
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I'm just in it for the ISK
-A vote for me is a vote for us
You can vote for CPM 2 [here]
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
12
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Posted - 2015.08.08 16:02:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just in it for the ISK
Yeeeh, same, but yanno in retrospect I haven't made much ISK out of this whole deal...
Aeon Amadi for CPM 2
Design A SKIN 2
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Artemis Hyde
Vader's-Fist
35
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Posted - 2015.08.08 16:06:00 -
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Molden Heath will burn and all will be crushed beneath the weight of Vader's-Fist. |
Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
12
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Posted - 2015.08.08 16:08:00 -
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Artemis Hyde wrote:Molden Heath will burn and all will be crushed beneath the weight of Vader's-Fist.
If we cared, we'd let you know.
Aeon Amadi for CPM 2
Design A SKIN 2
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Maximus Mobius
Fatal Absolution
832
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Posted - 2015.08.08 16:11:00 -
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Overall we might keep to ourselves but there are individuals like me that are willing to shove a particle cannon up their asses so far that they will be coughing up rails.
ALL HAIL MAXSON!!
Multi-role Tanker
Tanks and turrets supplied by Caldari Steel and Ishukone!!
For The State!!
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.08.08 16:31:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just in it for the ISK
Why?
So you can be richer than the other 10 people who'll end up being what's left here?
I'm just in it for the fights, at some stage I have shot for/at every Corp active in the game, a lot of that time spent with some of my own rag-tag clan of bandits who are an awesome mix of players, and a lot of them are damn good at what they do.. because I took the chance, and brought them to fights, from Vet to NPC corps, if it's red we try to kill it
Added to that, I have dragged DMG mercs to fight for a lot of fresh blood in PC, offering mercs, unwanted advice, insults and if the team was going nowhere I would just take of over and try to lead it myself and as many times as I've died for it.. I have brought as many teams with sh!t odds to win battles... For the sake of getting more fights.
I've seen ringers, way too many fight for ISK and a stomp.. faced with a fight the RQ QQ LAG battle begins.
A merc that wants to fight someone is worth 10x more to a team than one that wants to get paid.
Currently in MH a Top active fighting Corp can make use of about 10 Districts, with this you can afford regular battles, gain profit and have a stock of clones. At this you have a good total and add to fights, smaller Corps aiming for 5 would be ideal, there are the players to do this active on Dust yet we sit in a stale mate because of Alliances, truces, fggts and scrubs that cannot see past their own activity and in most sad cases KDR... but why bother to rant sense at any of you..
CCP left the building.. this community is what we have to game with and it's not looking good.
SOONtm... as we wait for CCP to spoon feed something to fight over Which will not happen.. why add content to be farmed rather than contested??
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Diablo Gamekeeper
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
489
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Posted - 2015.08.08 16:36:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:PC 2.0 has opened the way for ALL Corps to become PC active... By either creating, allying or joining Corps set to attack, all mercs can get involved Last night muliple raids were launched at landholding Corps keeping them ran ragged for DMG And I have to salute the mercs involved '07' as mercs from all TZ's took part with no gain bar getting some fights There is life left in MH, more players need to become part of this and not by sending an app to one of the blobs.. But by joining smaller Corps and getting them fighting, add more groups to the game to add more fights. I recently watched a YT vid of DMG V 0.H in a PC battle.. we lost out *big shocker* but that wasn't the worst part.. The 0.H team hit the Victory screen and there wasn't the slightest bit of surprise or joy in their WIN. - And it's not really surprising. In Dusts dead stage there are no teams big enough to fight them.. RGZ are but they made pretty friendship rings and don't look like dropping them N-F / PG / AoU / FA have the players that can contest them, but they keep to themselves While too many Vet players want to sit about, farm profit and avoid tough battles, when they could be right in front of you. MH need more fights, I am glad to help Corps that want to enter into them so get in touch in-game.. For those more cowardly, don't worry RGZ hide behind ROFL+0.H apply there for PC in a noob friendly environment I only celebrate if it is a win by a half a tick. I still think we should've lost that match.
I'm back
Rainbow Dash
I have DESTROYED CCP Rattati
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
12
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Posted - 2015.08.08 16:40:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just in it for the ISK Why? So you can be richer than the other 10 people who'll end up being what's left here? I'm just in it for the fights, at some stage I have shot for/at every Corp active in the game, a lot of that time spent with some of my own rag-tag clan of bandits who are an awesome mix of players, and a lot of them are damn good at what they do.. because I took the chance, and brought them to fights, from Vet to NPC corps, if it's red we try to kill it Added to that, I have dragged DMG mercs to fight for a lot of fresh blood in PC, offering mercs, unwanted advice, insults and if the team was going nowhere I would just take of over and try to lead it myself and as many times as I've died for it.. I have brought as many teams with sh!t odds to win battles... For the sake of getting more fights. I've seen ringers, way too many fight for ISK and a stomp.. faced with a fight the RQ QQ LAG battle begins. A merc that wants to fight someone is worth 10x more to a team than one that wants to get paid. Currently in MH a Top active fighting Corp can make use of about 10 Districts, with this you can afford regular battles, gain profit and have a stock of clones. At this you have a good total and add to fights, smaller Corps aiming for 5 would be ideal, there are the players to do this active on Dust yet we sit in a stale mate because of Alliances, truces, fggts and scrubs that cannot see past their own activity and in most sad cases KDR... but why bother to rant sense at any of you.. CCP left the building.. this community is what we have to game with and it's not looking good. SOONtm... as we wait for CCP to spoon feed something to fight over Which will not happen.. why add content to be farmed rather than contested??
To put it simply: We're jaded. There's nothing else to do, really. Lot of veterans have reached a point where we have maxxed out everything even remotely related to our progression choices and are just dumping SP into things we could care less about. The DK market doesn't exist yet and will likely not offer anything we really find valuable. Faction Warfare is a'ight if you want exclusive SKINs and marginally better gear but other then that it's a role-play sort of deal. Pubs offer ISK but not in any great way and not with any real reliability.
So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity and use that same ISK to get SKINs and tradeable stuff we don't have yet.
I mean, you're talking to players who have been around since June 2012 and probably even longer on Eve Online. We've already explored everything this game has to offer. Fought on every map, used every weapon, used every dropsuit, every vehicle, every module, every piece of equipment.... Fought every battle that we thought was worth a damn... ISK is really the only thing driving us anymore. This megalomaniac pipe dream that will go on for an infinite amount of time.
But I mean even that's not ike a big priority... Just gives us a reason to do the stupid things we do, gives us a reason to keep playing the game when by all rights we should have quit ages ago.
Aeon Amadi for CPM 2
Design A SKIN 2
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.08.08 17:27:00 -
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Aeon, I'm giving you a like just because of how well written that post was. Not because I agree or feel that way myself. Well written though. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.08.08 17:49:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Aeon, I'm giving you a like just because of how well written that post was. Not because I agree or feel that way myself. Well written though.
How can you agree with that... CCP have had to build around a game of players encouraged to squeze every last dime out of it rather than just play for the content on offer, offered a sandbox to do what you will and rather than make something you pocket the sand instead... How can CCP be expected to add content to that environment ??
ISK wealth is great.. on a game you can barely find a battle in becasue of that mentality. Many crazy bastards have played the game for just as long, with only the intention of just seeing content progress
The ISK barrier is half of the reason gameplay is screwed, and allows scrubs like me to get a good score...
As much as we complain of CCP, the community they have to work with sucks.
Trainwreck forum posting prof.5
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
3
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Posted - 2015.08.08 18:25:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just in it for the ISK Why? So you can be richer than the other 10 people who'll end up being what's left here? I'm just in it for the fights, at some stage I have shot for/at every Corp active in the game, a lot of that time spent with some of my own rag-tag clan of bandits who are an awesome mix of players, and a lot of them are damn good at what they do.. because I took the chance, and brought them to fights, from Vet to NPC corps, if it's red we try to kill it Added to that, I have dragged DMG mercs to fight for a lot of fresh blood in PC, offering mercs, unwanted advice, insults and if the team was going nowhere I would just take of over and try to lead it myself and as many times as I've died for it.. I have brought as many teams with sh!t odds to win battles... For the sake of getting more fights. I've seen ringers, way too many fight for ISK and a stomp.. faced with a fight the RQ QQ LAG battle begins. A merc that wants to fight someone is worth 10x more to a team than one that wants to get paid. Currently in MH a Top active fighting Corp can make use of about 10 Districts, with this you can afford regular battles, gain profit and have a stock of clones. At this you have a good total and add to fights, smaller Corps aiming for 5 would be ideal, there are the players to do this active on Dust yet we sit in a stale mate because of Alliances, truces, fggts and scrubs that cannot see past their own activity and in most sad cases KDR... but why bother to rant sense at any of you.. CCP left the building.. this community is what we have to game with and it's not looking good. SOONtm... as we wait for CCP to spoon feed something to fight over Which will not happen.. why add content to be farmed rather than contested?? To put it simply: We're jaded. There's nothing else to do, really. Lot of veterans have reached a point where we have maxxed out everything even remotely related to our progression choices and are just dumping SP into things we could care less about. The DK market doesn't exist yet and will likely not offer anything we really find valuable. Faction Warfare is a'ight if you want exclusive SKINs and marginally better gear but other then that it's a role-play sort of deal. Pubs offer ISK but not in any great way and not with any real reliability. So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity and use that same ISK to get SKINs and tradeable stuff we don't have yet. I mean, you're talking to players who have been around since June 2012 and probably even longer on Eve Online. We've already explored everything this game has to offer. Fought on every map, used every weapon, used every dropsuit, every vehicle, every module, every piece of equipment.... Fought every battle that we thought was worth a damn... ISK is really the only thing driving us anymore. This megalomaniac pipe dream that will go on for an infinite amount of time. But I mean even that's not ike a big priority... Just gives us a reason to do the stupid things we do, gives us a reason to keep playing the game when by all rights we should have quit ages ago.
I still feel there is a lot left that could be done yet however. Rattati and his crew are stat tweaking madmen so knowing that, it is possible we can bring in more specialities or sidegrades that we actually want for our role. (I.e + this for - that) This would give us new things we actually want to put SP into. I have had many ideas along these lines but its all a big wait and see with CCP.
How about the DK store, is anything coming of that?
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
12
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Posted - 2015.08.08 18:39:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just in it for the ISK Why? So you can be richer than the other 10 people who'll end up being what's left here? I'm just in it for the fights, at some stage I have shot for/at every Corp active in the game, a lot of that time spent with some of my own rag-tag clan of bandits who are an awesome mix of players, and a lot of them are damn good at what they do.. because I took the chance, and brought them to fights, from Vet to NPC corps, if it's red we try to kill it Added to that, I have dragged DMG mercs to fight for a lot of fresh blood in PC, offering mercs, unwanted advice, insults and if the team was going nowhere I would just take of over and try to lead it myself and as many times as I've died for it.. I have brought as many teams with sh!t odds to win battles... For the sake of getting more fights. I've seen ringers, way too many fight for ISK and a stomp.. faced with a fight the RQ QQ LAG battle begins. A merc that wants to fight someone is worth 10x more to a team than one that wants to get paid. Currently in MH a Top active fighting Corp can make use of about 10 Districts, with this you can afford regular battles, gain profit and have a stock of clones. At this you have a good total and add to fights, smaller Corps aiming for 5 would be ideal, there are the players to do this active on Dust yet we sit in a stale mate because of Alliances, truces, fggts and scrubs that cannot see past their own activity and in most sad cases KDR... but why bother to rant sense at any of you.. CCP left the building.. this community is what we have to game with and it's not looking good. SOONtm... as we wait for CCP to spoon feed something to fight over Which will not happen.. why add content to be farmed rather than contested?? To put it simply: We're jaded. There's nothing else to do, really. Lot of veterans have reached a point where we have maxxed out everything even remotely related to our progression choices and are just dumping SP into things we could care less about. The DK market doesn't exist yet and will likely not offer anything we really find valuable. Faction Warfare is a'ight if you want exclusive SKINs and marginally better gear but other then that it's a role-play sort of deal. Pubs offer ISK but not in any great way and not with any real reliability. So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity and use that same ISK to get SKINs and tradeable stuff we don't have yet. I mean, you're talking to players who have been around since June 2012 and probably even longer on Eve Online. We've already explored everything this game has to offer. Fought on every map, used every weapon, used every dropsuit, every vehicle, every module, every piece of equipment.... Fought every battle that we thought was worth a damn... ISK is really the only thing driving us anymore. This megalomaniac pipe dream that will go on for an infinite amount of time. But I mean even that's not ike a big priority... Just gives us a reason to do the stupid things we do, gives us a reason to keep playing the game when by all rights we should have quit ages ago. ^ Do you hear this, CCP Rattati?
It saddens me that elite players like Aeon have become bored with their peaceful and profitable farm lives. I wish there was more we could do to entertain them. If the elite Kumbaya Corps aren't interested in warring with one another, and there's nothing else for them to do but be jaded and print Isk, what harm would be there in introducing Proper Raid Mechanics?
What better way than Proper Raids to keep the wheels of war moving?
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Posted - 2015.08.08 18:44:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:
How can you agree with that... CCP have had to build around a game of players encouraged to squeze every last dime out of it rather than just play for the content on offer, offered a sandbox to do what you will and rather than make something you pocket the sand instead... How can CCP be expected to add content to that environment ??
ISK wealth is great.. on a game you can barely find a battle in becasue of that mentality. Many crazy bastards have played the game for just as long, with only the intention of just seeing content progress
The ISK barrier is half of the reason gameplay is screwed, and allows scrubs like me to get a good score...
As much as we complain of CCP, the community they have to work with sucks.
There's not much sandbox here, though. The sandbox you're speaking of is Politics and some of us just don't care for it. Lot of guys joined Negative-Feedback because we want to make ISK for the sake of making ISK via fighting and not get involved in the he-said-she-said that is PC. We don't really care about any of it, honestly, we just want to fight and make ISK for fighting. Now, some of the higher-ups like Kane and them are excellent at the politicking business but that's largely why they're running the show: So we don't have to.
And as far as content progression we haven't had anything fresh or new in a -long- time, the last major content update was in Uprising 1.8 back in the early days of 2014. That's almost a year and a half ago. From that point forward it's been hotfixes and updates that were largely geared toward newer players with the occasional bone thrown to the veterans but nothing in the line of personal progression, which I'll get to in my response to Bolt here:
CommanderBolt wrote:
I still feel there is a lot left that could be done yet however. Rattati and his crew are stat tweaking madmen so knowing that, it is possible we can bring in more specialities or sidegrades that we actually want for our role. (I.e + this for - that) This would give us new things we actually want to put SP into. I have had many ideas along these lines but its all a big wait and see with CCP.
How about the DK store, is anything coming of that?
What Rattati and his crew have done for Dust 514 goes without saying. They took a dead end project and turned it around. But being stat tweaking madmen (engineers, technically) doesn't do anything for the greater scope of the jaded bitter vet. You can fix an ailing role (Gallente Assault + Assault Rifle, just as an example) but that doesn't add content or breadth to the game. It just makes a underutilized role (CQC Assault) more viable and slightly less grueling to try and make work.
To really add content that veterans can truly value there needs to be something to progress into -after- the fact. Something that a player can look forward to again instead of "Welp. I got a million SP, guess I'll dump it into Caldari Sentinels because I have nothing else to do."
And as far as the DK store, I have no idea. There's been a bunch of debate about what it could entail but it's all up in the air with everything having it's pros and cons.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:14:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Aeon, I'm giving you a like just because of how well written that post was. Not because I agree or feel that way myself. Well written though. How can you agree with that... CCP have had to build around a game of players encouraged to squeze every last dime out of it rather than just play for the content on offer, offered a sandbox to do what you will and rather than make something you pocket the sand instead... How can CCP be expected to add content to that environment ?? ISK wealth is great.. on a game you can barely find a battle in becasue of that mentality. Many crazy bastards have played the game for just as long, with only the intention of just seeing content progress The ISK barrier is half of the reason gameplay is screwed, and allows scrubs like me to get a good score... As much as we complain of CCP, the community they have to work with sucks.
The competition sucks because the incentives and mechanics to perpetuate competitive play have been screwed up until now. Pubs have such garbage incentives and it's caused what people now call "casual" gameplay.
There was a time when people would have given their right nut for even a 10 million ISK clone pack, now they are free and people waste them.
The big corps are leaving the small fish alone for the most part, even giving away districts. Besides leaving the game in mass or just letting people win, I'm not sure what else can be done.
Some people are just pussies, while its a surprise to me that all these pussies decide to play an FPS but it is what it is. There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. |
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:40:00 -
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Might I suggest helping with the VF war?
We are here to create good PC battles. Currently we would be called a small PC corporation, only owning one district. (Or is it two now?)
Regardless, we will see you guys on the field eventually.
VF Diplomat.
Basically, I clean up the political shit the other's make.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:42:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:43:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just in it for the ISK Why? So you can be richer than the other 10 people who'll end up being what's left here? I'm just in it for the fights, at some stage I have shot for/at every Corp active in the game, a lot of that time spent with some of my own rag-tag clan of bandits who are an awesome mix of players, and a lot of them are damn good at what they do.. because I took the chance, and brought them to fights, from Vet to NPC corps, if it's red we try to kill it Added to that, I have dragged DMG mercs to fight for a lot of fresh blood in PC, offering mercs, unwanted advice, insults and if the team was going nowhere I would just take of over and try to lead it myself and as many times as I've died for it.. I have brought as many teams with sh!t odds to win battles... For the sake of getting more fights. I've seen ringers, way too many fight for ISK and a stomp.. faced with a fight the RQ QQ LAG battle begins. A merc that wants to fight someone is worth 10x more to a team than one that wants to get paid. Currently in MH a Top active fighting Corp can make use of about 10 Districts, with this you can afford regular battles, gain profit and have a stock of clones. At this you have a good total and add to fights, smaller Corps aiming for 5 would be ideal, there are the players to do this active on Dust yet we sit in a stale mate because of Alliances, truces, fggts and scrubs that cannot see past their own activity and in most sad cases KDR... but why bother to rant sense at any of you.. CCP left the building.. this community is what we have to game with and it's not looking good. SOONtm... as we wait for CCP to spoon feed something to fight over Which will not happen.. why add content to be farmed rather than contested?? To put it simply: We're jaded. There's nothing else to do, really. Lot of veterans have reached a point where we have maxxed out everything even remotely related to our progression choices and are just dumping SP into things we could care less about. The DK market doesn't exist yet and will likely not offer anything we really find valuable. Faction Warfare is a'ight if you want exclusive SKINs and marginally better gear but other then that it's a role-play sort of deal. Pubs offer ISK but not in any great way and not with any real reliability. So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity and use that same ISK to get SKINs and tradeable stuff we don't have yet. I mean, you're talking to players who have been around since June 2012 and probably even longer on Eve Online. We've already explored everything this game has to offer. Fought on every map, used every weapon, used every dropsuit, every vehicle, every module, every piece of equipment.... Fought every battle that we thought was worth a damn... ISK is really the only thing driving us anymore. This megalomaniac pipe dream that will go on for an infinite amount of time. But I mean even that's not ike a big priority... Just gives us a reason to do the stupid things we do, gives us a reason to keep playing the game when by all rights we should have quit ages ago. ^ Do you hear this, CCP Rattati? If the elite Kumbaya Corps aren't interested in warring with one another, and they feel there's nothing left in Dust for them to do but blue up, be bored, be "jaded" and print Isk, what harm would there be in introducing Proper Raid Mechanics? What better way to bust up the talent pools, break the stalemate and keep the wheels of war moving?
I'm speaking for myself and a handful of friends who share the same views. Not "elite Kumbaya Corps". Try not to go guilt by association because I have Negative-Feedback underneath my name.
Proper raid mechanics would do exactly what clone packs are doing right now, just better. NF has already established a fallback plan in the eventuality that we don't have any districts and there's a handful of us that consider that as actually being better off for who we are because of one very important factor: The clone packs would be free!! Imagine being raided by an "elite Kumaya Corp" on the daily because of how many people we have netting thousands of CP a day just so we can make some DK =P
After all, we -are- a mercenary corporation and we are driven by profit. Having districts helps because we can sell excess clones for DK. Not having districts helps because clone packs would be free and we're already spilling over on the Command Points as it is. Hell, even if other corporations raided -us- we'd still make a net profit if we look at Jadek's raids because we all mutually benefitted from that. His guys ran cheap stuff, got boat-loads of ISK and DK (even though they lost); we ran more expensive stuff, still came out with a profit because we didn't die so much, and we got more DK for winning.
There's really nothing that can put NF in a situation we can't bounce back, lol.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:44:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will.
Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>;
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:47:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will. Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>; You realize you two are in the same corp, right? Which story does NF want to go with?
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:54:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will. Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>; You realize you two are in the same corp, right? Which story does NF want to go with today?
??????
You said convince the leadership to fight rather than farm... I just told you that we are fighting..? Thor isn't disputing that.
Unless you're referring to him saying "There is no hope for competitive play" and my saying that Outer Heaven is proper competition..? Which, in that case, competition is subjective to the person. I find OH to be a challenging fight, Thor might not. I don't speak for Thor.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 22:06:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will. Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>; You realize you two are in the same corp, right? Which story does NF want to go with today? ?????? You said convince the leadership to fight rather than farm... I just told you that we are fighting..? Thor isn't disputing that. Unless you're referring to him saying "There is no hope for competitive play" and my saying that Outer Heaven is proper competition..? Which, in that case, competition is subjective to the person. I find OH to be a challenging fight, Thor might not. I don't speak for Thor. Thor (with NF) says, "Competition is dead. There are no competitive fights. There is no hope." Aeon (with NF) says, "Fighting five fights a day! And sometimes competitive fights! Against OH!"
Your stories don't add up. Who cares? The fact remains that competitive fights happen all the time. If Thor isn't seeing them, then he must not be looking for them.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 22:55:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just in it for the ISK Why? So you can be richer than the other 10 people who'll end up being what's left here? I'm just in it for the fights, at some stage I have shot for/at every Corp active in the game, a lot of that time spent with some of my own rag-tag clan of bandits who are an awesome mix of players, and a lot of them are damn good at what they do.. because I took the chance, and brought them to fights, from Vet to NPC corps, if it's red we try to kill it Added to that, I have dragged DMG mercs to fight for a lot of fresh blood in PC, offering mercs, unwanted advice, insults and if the team was going nowhere I would just take of over and try to lead it myself and as many times as I've died for it.. I have brought as many teams with sh!t odds to win battles... For the sake of getting more fights. I've seen ringers, way too many fight for ISK and a stomp.. faced with a fight the RQ QQ LAG battle begins. A merc that wants to fight someone is worth 10x more to a team than one that wants to get paid. Currently in MH a Top active fighting Corp can make use of about 10 Districts, with this you can afford regular battles, gain profit and have a stock of clones. At this you have a good total and add to fights, smaller Corps aiming for 5 would be ideal, there are the players to do this active on Dust yet we sit in a stale mate because of Alliances, truces, fggts and scrubs that cannot see past their own activity and in most sad cases KDR... but why bother to rant sense at any of you.. CCP left the building.. this community is what we have to game with and it's not looking good. SOONtm... as we wait for CCP to spoon feed something to fight over Which will not happen.. why add content to be farmed rather than contested?? To put it simply: We're jaded. There's nothing else to do, really. Lot of veterans have reached a point where we have maxxed out everything even remotely related to our progression choices and are just dumping SP into things we could care less about. The DK market doesn't exist yet and will likely not offer anything we really find valuable. Faction Warfare is a'ight if you want exclusive SKINs and marginally better gear but other then that it's a role-play sort of deal. Pubs offer ISK but not in any great way and not with any real reliability. So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity and use that same ISK to get SKINs and tradeable stuff we don't have yet. I mean, you're talking to players who have been around since June 2012 and probably even longer on Eve Online. We've already explored everything this game has to offer. Fought on every map, used every weapon, used every dropsuit, every vehicle, every module, every piece of equipment.... Fought every battle that we thought was worth a damn... ISK is really the only thing driving us anymore. This megalomaniac pipe dream that will go on for an infinite amount of time. But I mean even that's not ike a big priority... Just gives us a reason to do the stupid things we do, gives us a reason to keep playing the game when by all rights we should have quit ages ago. ^ Do you hear this, CCP Rattati? If the elite Kumbaya Corps aren't interested in warring with one another, and they feel there's nothing left in Dust for them to do but blue up, be bored, be "jaded" and print Isk, what harm would there be in introducing Proper Raid Mechanics? What better way to bust up the talent pools, break the stalemate and keep the wheels of war moving?
There is no real warring.
There is no stalemate. Well I guess that's a lie, if the 3 or 4 corps that can actually PC fought a war then what?
Even with whatever you consider real raiding mechanics what makes you think anybody is going to actually show up to really put up a fight in a raid? All the dudes who quit after two deaths and come whine about OP this or OP that?
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:01:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:One guy from NF says, "Competition is dead. There are no fights. There is no hope." Another says, "We're fighting five fights a day! And sometimes competitive fights! Against OH!"Your stories don't add up. Who cares? The fact remains that competitive fights happen all the time. If Thor isn't seeing them, then he must not be looking for them. Right? I'm just letting Thor know that they're still out there. Just in case. Edit: And if we ever get Raids, he won't have to look far for a good fight.
Well, maybe Thor is just a better combatant than I am and thinks of competition differently. We're a mercenary corporation, our stories don't have to add up because we fight different battles on the daily Maybe it's not that Thor isn't looking for a good fight so much as he thinks of a good fight differently than we do. If I want a challenging fight I know where to go and I know who to look for.
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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:02:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will. Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>;
Oh so the 50 or so dudes within those two corps that would actually be fielded in the battles against each other means lots of competition?
The Dust playerbase is full of people who would rather AFK in FW for measly LP than actually shoot at people.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:04:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will. Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>; You realize you two are in the same corp, right? Which story does NF want to go with today?
I'm not sure who Aeon is talking to when he occasionally logs in, but I don't know anybody that's happy with the state of competition in Dust. |
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:06:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will. Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>; Oh so the 50 or so dudes within those two corps that would actually be fielded in the battles against each other means lots of competition? The Dust playerbase is full of people who would rather AFK in FW for measly LP than actually shoot at people. Out of the 10 PC battles a day at least 5 are no shows.
Okay, first it was competition at all, then it was preferential competition, now it's lots of competition. Goalpost keeps moving here so I'mma back out of this debate and let you and Adipem hash it out for the rest of eternity. Got waaaaay better things to do then mull over opinions and composition fallacies GLHF.
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:06:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote: There is no real warring. There is no stalemate. Well I guess that's a lie, if the 3 or 4 corps that can actually PC fought a war then what? Even with whatever you consider real raiding mechanics what makes you think anybody is going to actually show up to really put up a fight in a raid? All the dudes who quit after two deaths and come whine about OP this or OP that?
Details. Why worry? If all the talent is pooled together, then whatever's left of the playerbase couldn't possibly threaten you, right?
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:09:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not sure who Aeon is talking to when he occasionally logs in, but I don't know anybody that's happy with the state of competition in Dust.
I agree with you. And I think it can be fixed.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:13:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not sure who Aeon is talking to when he occasionally logs in, but I don't know anybody that's happy with the state of competition in Dust.
I agree. And I think it can be fixed.
Just as a reminder, the 'state of competition' wasn't even up for debate in the first place lol. You said 'convince leadership to grow a pair and fight', I said we fight multiple times per day and said that Outer Heaven was competition. I didn't say **** about the quantity of competition out there. That was all Thor.
Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will. Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>;
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Thor Odinson42
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I'm an ocean away from my PS3 for the next few weeks, but if I were able to log in I can guarantee that my experience would go something like this:
1. Read corp mail about multiple PCs. 2. Join PC chat 3. Waste 45 minutes to an hour on a no show, then go directly into another match that turns out to be another no show. 4. Run some FW where the competition is so fierce that I can leave my dude standing by an objective while I go ****, to find him still alive. 5. Get bored with FW and try some pubs. 6. Play two or three matches that are decided within a few minutes and spend 95% of the matches avoiding sniper fire while trying to be the first to kill the random hero that decides to go it alone and run from the redline. 7. Then for whatever reason Scotty puts me on the other side where it appears my team is trying out for the Olympic sniper team and I can either be the hero or leave battle.
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Thor Odinson42
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not sure who Aeon is talking to when he occasionally logs in, but I don't know anybody that's happy with the state of competition in Dust.
I agree with you. And I think it can be fixed.
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm an ocean away from my PS3 for the next few weeks, but if I were able to log in I can guarantee that my experience would go something like this:
1. Read corp mail about multiple PCs. 2. Join PC chat 3. Waste 45 minutes to an hour on a no show, then go directly into another match that turns out to be another no show. 4. Run some FW where the competition is so fierce that I can leave my dude standing by an objective while I go ****, to find him still alive. 5. Get bored with FW and try some pubs. 6. Play two or three matches that are decided within a few minutes and spend 95% of the matches avoiding sniper fire while trying to be the first to kill the random hero that decides to go it alone and run from the redline. 7. Then for whatever reason Scotty puts me on the other side where it appears my team is trying out for the Olympic sniper team and I can either be the hero or leave battle.
No-one is disagreeing with you, Thor.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm an ocean away from my PS3 for the next few weeks, but if I were able to log in I can guarantee that my experience would go something like this:
1. Read corp mail about multiple PCs. 2. Join PC chat 3. Waste 45 minutes to an hour on a no show, then go directly into another match that turns out to be another no show. 4. Run some FW where the competition is so fierce that I can leave my dude standing by an objective while I go ****, to find him still alive. 5. Get bored with FW and try some pubs. 6. Play two or three matches that are decided within a few minutes and spend 95% of the matches avoiding sniper fire while trying to be the first to kill the random hero that decides to go it alone and run from the redline. 7. Then for whatever reason Scotty puts me on the other side where it appears my team is trying out for the Olympic sniper team and I can either be the hero or leave battle.
Pick up the plasma cannon, welcome to a whole new game. Thank me later.
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm an ocean away from my PS3 for the next few weeks, but if I were able to log in I can guarantee that my experience would go something like this:
1. Read corp mail about multiple PCs. 2. Join PC chat 3. Waste 45 minutes to an hour on a no show, then go directly into another match that turns out to be another no show. 4. Run some FW where the competition is so fierce that I can leave my dude standing by an objective while I go ****, to find him still alive. 5. Get bored with FW and try some pubs. 6. Play two or three matches that are decided within a few minutes and spend 95% of the matches avoiding sniper fire while trying to be the first to kill the random hero that decides to go it alone and run from the redline. 7. Then for whatever reason Scotty puts me on the other side where it appears my team is trying out for the Olympic sniper team and I can either be the hero or leave battle.
No-one is disagreeing with you, Thor.
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CommanderBolt wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm an ocean away from my PS3 for the next few weeks, but if I were able to log in I can guarantee that my experience would go something like this:
1. Read corp mail about multiple PCs. 2. Join PC chat 3. Waste 45 minutes to an hour on a no show, then go directly into another match that turns out to be another no show. 4. Run some FW where the competition is so fierce that I can leave my dude standing by an objective while I go ****, to find him still alive. 5. Get bored with FW and try some pubs. 6. Play two or three matches that are decided within a few minutes and spend 95% of the matches avoiding sniper fire while trying to be the first to kill the random hero that decides to go it alone and run from the redline. 7. Then for whatever reason Scotty puts me on the other side where it appears my team is trying out for the Olympic sniper team and I can either be the hero or leave battle.
Pick up the plasma cannon, welcome to a whole new game. Thank me later.
Doesn't change the part where I hate losing. If I play a pub solo and go 20-0 but lose, I don't like it.
But for sure PLC is great fun when your blues are garbage. Long distance PLC kills are very rewarding! |
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm an ocean away from my PS3 for the next few weeks, but if I were able to log in I can guarantee that my experience would go something like this:
1. Read corp mail about multiple PCs. 2. Join PC chat 3. Waste 45 minutes to an hour on a no show, then go directly into another match that turns out to be another no show. 4. Run some FW where the competition is so fierce that I can leave my dude standing by an objective while I go ****, to find him still alive. 5. Get bored with FW and try some pubs. 6. Play two or three matches that are decided within a few minutes and spend 95% of the matches avoiding sniper fire while trying to be the first to kill the random hero that decides to go it alone and run from the redline. 7. Then for whatever reason Scotty puts me on the other side where it appears my team is trying out for the Olympic sniper team and I can either be the hero or leave battle.
No-one is disagreeing with you, Thor. I must have misinterpreted your responses to my earlier posts
I strongly suspect so.
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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:30:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm an ocean away from my PS3 for the next few weeks, but if I were able to log in I can guarantee that my experience would go something like this:
1. Read corp mail about multiple PCs. 2. Join PC chat 3. Waste 45 minutes to an hour on a no show, then go directly into another match that turns out to be another no show. 4. Run some FW where the competition is so fierce that I can leave my dude standing by an objective while I go ****, to find him still alive. 5. Get bored with FW and try some pubs. 6. Play two or three matches that are decided within a few minutes and spend 95% of the matches avoiding sniper fire while trying to be the first to kill the random hero that decides to go it alone and run from the redline. 7. Then for whatever reason Scotty puts me on the other side where it appears my team is trying out for the Olympic sniper team and I can either be the hero or leave battle.
No-one is disagreeing with you, Thor. I must have misinterpreted your responses to my earlier posts I strongly suspect so.
K den, see you in a few weeks
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will. Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>; Oh so the 50 or so dudes within those two corps that would actually be fielded in the battles against each other means lots of competition? The Dust playerbase is full of people who would rather AFK in FW for measly LP than actually shoot at people. Out of the 10 PC battles a day at least 5 are no shows. Okay, first it was competition at all, then it was preferential competition, now it's lots of competition. Goalpost keeps moving here so I'mma back out of this debate and let you and Adipem hash it out for the rest of eternity. Got waaaaay better things to do then mull over opinions and composition fallacies GLHF.
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CommanderBolt
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm an ocean away from my PS3 for the next few weeks, but if I were able to log in I can guarantee that my experience would go something like this:
1. Read corp mail about multiple PCs. 2. Join PC chat 3. Waste 45 minutes to an hour on a no show, then go directly into another match that turns out to be another no show. 4. Run some FW where the competition is so fierce that I can leave my dude standing by an objective while I go ****, to find him still alive. 5. Get bored with FW and try some pubs. 6. Play two or three matches that are decided within a few minutes and spend 95% of the matches avoiding sniper fire while trying to be the first to kill the random hero that decides to go it alone and run from the redline. 7. Then for whatever reason Scotty puts me on the other side where it appears my team is trying out for the Olympic sniper team and I can either be the hero or leave battle.
Pick up the plasma cannon, welcome to a whole new game. Thank me later. Doesn't change the part where I hate losing. If I play a pub solo and go 20-0 but lose, I don't like it. But for sure PLC is great fun when your blues are garbage. Long distance PLC kills are very rewarding!
Just trying to break up the monotony of the game for you but yea man its good fun :) and I always play solo so I don't know any other way really.
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Thor Odinson42
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Don't see how you do it.
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
I bet you have very few friends IRL.
Did you bump the thread just to continue an argument O.o???
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saxonmish
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I like Pie
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superjoe360x
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TheD1CK wrote:jonny battles wrote:TheD1CK wrote:PC 2.0 has opened the way for ALL Corps to become PC active... By either creating, allying or joining Corps set to attack, all mercs can get involved Last night muliple raids were launched at landholding Corps keeping them ran ragged for DMG And I have to salute the mercs involved '07' as mercs from all TZ's took part with no gain bar getting some fights There is life left in MH, more players need to become part of this and not by sending an app to one of the blobs.. But by joining smaller Corps and getting them fighting, add more groups to the game to add more fights. I recently watched a YT vid of DMG V 0.H in a PC battle.. we lost out *big shocker* but that wasn't the worst part.. The 0.H team hit the Victory screen and there wasn't the slightest bit of surprise or joy in their WIN. - And it's not really surprising. In Dusts dead stage there are no teams big enough to fight them.. RGZ are but they made pretty friendship rings and don't look like dropping them N-F / PG / AoU / FA have the players that can contest them, but they keep to themselves While too many Vet players want to sit about, farm profit and avoid tough battles, when they could be right in front of you. MH need more fights, I am glad to help Corps that want to enter into them so get in touch in-game.. For those more cowardly, don't worry RGZ hide behind ROFL+0.H apply there for PC in a noob friendly environment Lol we hide behind them? 95% of the time we bring 16 random gunz besides last night I don't remember the last time we used ringers. But if we're such coward's why did you guys have to mass attack us to get a single district and where the cowards? Do they keep you on the bench ??? Ask the teams RGZ fight if they use ringers?? or 15 0.H to troll when it suits them... They (you just jumped on the wagon) rose up an underdog to pimp slap the Roman ERA.. Now they sit beside 0.H and openly farm smaller Corps and fight 'friendlies' with the competition.. If they want to be the new Roman, let them be taken down the same way they got him #GANKED M.H is a waste pile. Fights will never kick off until the friendship rings are got rid of I don't want your districts, I may however have some fun making you defend all 20 of them We will help again. Let me know bud. I have plenty of CPs around. We will come in in our BPOs again lol.
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xavier zor
Abyss of Universe
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is NO HOPE for competitive play in Dust. Just get that through your head and enjoy the game while it lasts. Nonsense. I see competitive fights all the time. If you can't find a good fight, the odds are you aren't looking for one. If you don't want to be a peaceful farmer, then do something about it. Convince your leadership to grow a pair and fight rather than farm. If they're unwilling, find a corp which will. Lmfao, you realize we have like 5-10 battles A DAY, right? Like, we're -always- fighting, and not just the newer corps that randomly attack us out of no where, we fight Outer Heaven as well. Which, if we're not considering Outer Heaven as proper competition then I dunno what is >_>;
0.H aint proper competition anymore...
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xavier zor
Abyss of Universe
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TheD1CK wrote:I recently watched a YT vid of DMG V 0.H in a PC battle.. we lost out *big shocker* but that wasn't the worst part.. The 0.H team hit the Victory screen and there wasn't the slightest bit of surprise or joy in their WIN. - And it's not really surprising. In Dusts dead stage there are no teams big enough to fight them.. RGZ are but they made pretty friendship rings and don't look like dropping them N-F / PG / AoU / FA have the players that can contest them, but they keep to themselves
we would crush them and they would crush us, but timers....
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CUSE TOWN333
0uter.Heaven
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jonny battles wrote:TheD1CK wrote:PC 2.0 has opened the way for ALL Corps to become PC active... By either creating, allying or joining Corps set to attack, all mercs can get involved Last night muliple raids were launched at landholding Corps keeping them ran ragged for DMG And I have to salute the mercs involved '07' as mercs from all TZ's took part with no gain bar getting some fights There is life left in MH, more players need to become part of this and not by sending an app to one of the blobs.. But by joining smaller Corps and getting them fighting, add more groups to the game to add more fights. I recently watched a YT vid of DMG V 0.H in a PC battle.. we lost out *big shocker* but that wasn't the worst part.. The 0.H team hit the Victory screen and there wasn't the slightest bit of surprise or joy in their WIN. - And it's not really surprising. In Dusts dead stage there are no teams big enough to fight them.. RGZ are but they made pretty friendship rings and don't look like dropping them N-F / PG / AoU / FA have the players that can contest them, but they keep to themselves While too many Vet players want to sit about, farm profit and avoid tough battles, when they could be right in front of you. MH need more fights, I am glad to help Corps that want to enter into them so get in touch in-game.. For those more cowardly, don't worry RGZ hide behind ROFL+0.H apply there for PC in a noob friendly environment Lol we hide behind them? 95% of the time we bring 16 random gunz besides last night I don't remember the last time we used ringers. But if we're such coward's why did you guys have to mass attack us to get a single district and where the cowards? jonny he is weird but kind of right. We had emerged from the ashes of to many wars and every thing left is a waste land of our destruction. If i was to return to dust i would probably rejoin KILL-EM-QUICK and start the rebuilding process.
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CUSE TOWN333
0uter.Heaven
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TheD1CK wrote:jonny battles wrote:TheD1CK wrote:jonny battles wrote:OK d1ck what your saying is that we should disband every alliance in the game? That so people can have no ally and just panic merge instead? What will that fix? C'mon.. every team in MH knows.. RG speed dial 0.H in danger as a back-up... Only after they are busy do you even use your own allies, so it's hardly that important to you and lolpanicmerge.. how is recruiting every left over you can find anything different?? Ok your not completely wrong but if oh and rgz panic merge what will that fix and then people be like can't beat them join them Because that is not exactly how it stands already ??? RG+0.H have assisted each other as long as I've seen PC, at this stage you may as well have merged. And why not ?? there is barely a Corp that can fight one of you, putting them together guarantees EZ PC 'Can't beat em, join em' May as well be the motto for competetive play around here Which I don't get and hopefully never will, though it is hassle.. beating the best > hiding behind them to be fair this is the by-product of the wars we fought and after the the enemys were destroyed it left only people like you around. Is it fair to you guys probably not. Was it fair to us when we had to deal with all the super powers and blue donuts back in my day of course not. Did we cry about it in GD and beg for them to stop or did we find a way to destroy them. I understand your up hill battle but you have to rally the troops with a die hard approach not with crying. If you get a real war brewing many of us vets have talked about helping your cause. But in order for us to fight along side you as the giant killers you must first show some backbone.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
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I still don't see the point of PC other than a d*ck measuring contest. Give me the EVE PI connection in a seriously important way and I'll play.
The day EVE important resources are shifted to the planets is the day PC would matter.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.08.09 14:21:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:I still don't see the point of PC other than a d*ck measuring contest. Give me the EVE PI connection in a seriously important way and I'll play.
The day EVE important resources are shifted to the planets is the day PC would matter.
As an Eve player, that would be a terrible mistake that could be easily avoided. The Dust-Eve link should be synergistic, not discordant. Dust 514 players and Eve players alike should not feel that they have to spend hundreds of dollars on a peripheral in order to protect their assets. I'm cool with PC offering a bonus to PI ouput for occupancy of the respective area but any 'seriously important way' usually means 'force 'x' player to perform 'y' action in order to get 'z' result'.
The FW link, while not immediately noticeable or powerful, is right in line with this sort of synergistic approach. Eve players don't feel they have to depend on Dust 514 players to flip system sov, Dust 514 players don't feel they need Eve support to flip districts. POS bonuses in Molden Heath for alliance occupancy are underrated because of the region itself but if you apply that to say, Pure Blind, and I can 100% guarantee that Goonies would want to take advantage of Dust 514 and we'd probably have a much bigger following even despite those bonuses being optional and largely unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
To put it simply: You should want to take advantage of the link but not feel crippled without it.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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TheD1CK wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Aeon, I'm giving you a like just because of how well written that post was. Not because I agree or feel that way myself. Well written though. How can you agree with that... CCP have had to build around a game of players encouraged to squeze every last dime out of it rather than just play for the content on offer, offered a sandbox to do what you will and rather than make something you pocket the sand instead... How can CCP be expected to add content to that environment ?? ISK wealth is great.. on a game you can barely find a battle in becasue of that mentality. Many crazy bastards have played the game for just as long, with only the intention of just seeing content progress The ISK barrier is half of the reason gameplay is screwed, and allows scrubs like me to get a good score... As much as we complain of CCP, the community they have to work with sucks. I said the post was well written, not that I agree.
In fact, I don't feel like Aeon described. I've been playing since day one closed beta. Though I didn't play much of closed, and only started PC relatively recently. I play for the fights, for the challenge of skill and strategy.
I've never tried to gain large amounts of isk. I recently reached my highest ever wealth at 60mil isk.
I do like the isk element, as it lets you vary your commitment based on the competition. It's nice to fight proto with proto, but it's also fun in situations that seem hopeless, to have the option to fight proto with bpo and win the isk war. |
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Varoth Drac wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Aeon, I'm giving you a like just because of how well written that post was. Not because I agree or feel that way myself. Well written though. How can you agree with that... CCP have had to build around a game of players encouraged to squeze every last dime out of it rather than just play for the content on offer, offered a sandbox to do what you will and rather than make something you pocket the sand instead... How can CCP be expected to add content to that environment ?? ISK wealth is great.. on a game you can barely find a battle in becasue of that mentality. Many crazy bastards have played the game for just as long, with only the intention of just seeing content progress The ISK barrier is half of the reason gameplay is screwed, and allows scrubs like me to get a good score... As much as we complain of CCP, the community they have to work with sucks. I said the post was well written, not that I agree. In fact, I don't feel like Aeon described. I've been playing since day one closed beta. Though I didn't play much of closed, and only started PC relatively recently. I play for the fights, for the challenge of skill and strategy. I've never tried to gain large amounts of isk. I recently reached my highest ever wealth at 60mil isk. I do like the isk element, as it lets you vary your commitment based on the competition. It's nice to fight proto with proto, but it's also fun in situations that seem hopeless, to have the option to fight proto with bpo and win the isk war.
Which is something I really can't stand as an Eve player -_-;;;
I think it's total bupkis that someone can run a suit that is as effective as proto in the right hands and it be totally free of risk. Especially now that we have the beginning elements of Tiericide, which I am 100% for, BPOs and APEXs are all the more powerful and need to have some sort of mechanic that limits that financial prowess. I'm really hoping this Salvaging gameplay we're getting in 1.3 alleviates some of that in the future - maybe have BPOs cost salvage parts in order to constantly funnel out.
And before anyone brings up PC ISK Generation - that **** has been gone for over a year now. It's no longer a valid argument as to why we should let another ISK printer be a thing.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:02:00 -
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Yesterday's Aeon wrote: So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity ...
Today's Aeon wrote: And before anyone brings up PC ISK Generation - that **** has been gone for over a year now. It's no longer a valid argument as to why we should let another ISK printer be a thing.
180 degrees in under 24 hours.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Well, I don't play Eve, but as I understand it, can you not use cheap ships to limit loss? Is it not possible to fight expensive ships with cheap? You may lose more ships but your total isk loss will be less.
I know things are different in Dust, but the principle seems similar.
Winning with appropriate force is always best. But if you can't win, surely inflicting maximum damage for minimum loss is the best option?
Bpos aren't as powerful as proto. Player skill is always a factor and should be rewarded.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:38:00 -
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Suggestion for increasing competition in PC: Varying district value. If the top corp owns the most valuable districts, other corps have a reason to challenge them rather than go for easier, less valuable targets.
Better suggestion for increasing competition in PC: Further enhance the value of and ability to bring numbers to bear. This gives more opportunity for less experienced players to learn PC. Only by learning to fight through participation, will the number of players capable of bringing the hard fights increase. I'm open to suggestions on the best way to achieve this. Raiding seems like one way, but rather weak at the moment.
Suggestion for increasing competition in pubs: Increase rewards for fighting against the odds. If you are on a team that isn't trying, you should get a substantially better payout for any success you gain in comparison to your teamates. |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:43:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:
While too many Vet players want to sit about, farm profit and avoid tough battles, when they could be right in front of you.
Implying fighting DMG is a tough battle
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:44:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Yesterday's Aeon wrote: So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity ...
Today's Aeon wrote: And before anyone brings up PC ISK Generation - that **** has been gone for over a year now. It's no longer a valid argument as to why we should let another ISK printer be a thing.
Am I reading this wrong, or did you flipflop your position entirely in under 24 hours? If you can't keep the facts straight in your own head, how do you intend to function as information filter/exchange between us and the Devs?
No. I didn't. You misread what I was saying entirely trying to find something to troll with.
Yesterday's Aeon was saying that making ISK from PC battles and accumulating DK (essentially ISK with a different name, let's not beat around the bush here, they implemented DK because the ISK economy is already perma*****ed) is all that PC battles are really good for if you're not into politics. Today's Aeon is saying that passive ISK generation from locking districts and making bank off of passive clone says is done away with already and using it as an argument for why BPO's should be completely 100% free is BS.
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Aeon Amadi
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Varoth Drac wrote:Well, I don't play Eve, but as I understand it, can you not use cheap ships to limit loss? Is it not possible to fight expensive ships with cheap? You may lose more ships but your total isk loss will be less.
I know things are different in Dust, but the principle seems similar.
Winning with appropriate force is always best. But if you can't win, surely inflicting maximum damage for minimum loss is the best option?
Bpos aren't as powerful as proto. Player skill is always a factor and should be rewarded.
Eve works very very differently from Dust 514.
In Dust 514 you can use a free BPO fit and with enough skill point investment and player skill trump other players, even in officer gear.
In Eve Online your cheap ships (frigates, for example) are mechanically at a disadvantage for fighting anything larger than a cruiser. You simply don't have the DPS by yourself to break the tank without an exhausting amount of time and often why T2 Frigates are designed for specialized roles like Interceptors, which use speed and EWAR to lock down other ships. Interceptors don't have enough DPS to do any real damage but they can keep you from leaving the battlefield almost indefinitely unless you kill them. Stealth Bomber frigates have very high damage capability but are paper thin and rely on cloaking devices, even then they're often limited to Bombs (which they can only have a certain amount of) and Cruise Missiles which have a negligible effect on anything smaller than a Battleship.
The mechanics are designed so that small, cheap ships have a very difficult time killing large, expensive ships and vice versa. A Battleship, for instance, has guns that are too large and slow to track fast moving frigates. So they often can't really kill each other.
Whereas in Dust 514 everything is on the same scale - so BPO infantry, being completely free, have only slightly less killing potential than a Prototype fit. So cheap vs expensive doesn't have any mechanical guarantees like Eve does.
BPOs also work very very differently in Eve Online. Nothing is free in Eve except for your Rookie ship, which isn't really designed for PvP combat - it's designed for PvE (a fundamental difference in Dust 514, I know, but that's a different argument altogether). BPOs still require a material cost, often in the form of minerals mined from asteroids.
Back over to Dust 514, Militia BPOs are one thing - those come with higher CPU/PG costs and often have disadvantages (one grenade, 47 round mag on the AR, etc). Standard BPO's were already pushing the line a bit but now you have full fledged APEX suits which are in between Standard and Advanced. So, fundamentally, BPOs are freaggin worthless compared to APEXs which were only ever acceptable in the first place because they couldn't be customized, but now they can be, so there's power creep.
It's a huge debacle, really.
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Yesterday's Aeon wrote: So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity ...
Today's Aeon wrote: And before anyone brings up PC ISK Generation - that **** has been gone for over a year now. It's no longer a valid argument as to why we should let another ISK printer be a thing.
Am I reading this wrong, or did you flipflop your position entirely in under 24 hours? If you can't keep the facts straight in your own head, how do you intend to function as information filter/exchange between us and the Devs? No. I didn't. You misread what I was saying entirely trying to find something to troll with. Yesterday's Aeon was saying that making ISK from PC battles and accumulating DK (essentially ISK with a different name, let's not beat around the bush here, they implemented DK because the ISK economy is already perma*****ed) is all that PC battles are really good for if you're not into politics. Today's Aeon is saying that passive ISK generation from locking districts and making bank off of passive clone says is done away with already and using it as an argument for why BPO's should be completely 100% free is BS. I'm not trying to troll you, Aeon. I believe that your first position fits reality: Hold land. Stockpile Isk. The less you fight, the more you make.
As for BPOs, no one that I've seen has made any argument here about BPOs. Seems off topic.
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jonny battles wrote:TheD1CK wrote:PC 2.0 has opened the way for ALL Corps to become PC active... By either creating, allying or joining Corps set to attack, all mercs can get involved Last night muliple raids were launched at landholding Corps keeping them ran ragged for DMG And I have to salute the mercs involved '07' as mercs from all TZ's took part with no gain bar getting some fights There is life left in MH, more players need to become part of this and not by sending an app to one of the blobs.. But by joining smaller Corps and getting them fighting, add more groups to the game to add more fights. I recently watched a YT vid of DMG V 0.H in a PC battle.. we lost out *big shocker* but that wasn't the worst part.. The 0.H team hit the Victory screen and there wasn't the slightest bit of surprise or joy in their WIN. - And it's not really surprising. In Dusts dead stage there are no teams big enough to fight them.. RGZ are but they made pretty friendship rings and don't look like dropping them N-F / PG / AoU / FA have the players that can contest them, but they keep to themselves While too many Vet players want to sit about, farm profit and avoid tough battles, when they could be right in front of you. MH need more fights, I am glad to help Corps that want to enter into them so get in touch in-game.. For those more cowardly, don't worry RGZ hide behind ROFL+0.H apply there for PC in a noob friendly environment Lol we hide behind them? 95% of the time we bring 16 random gunz besides last night I don't remember the last time we used ringers. But if we're such coward's why did you guys have to mass attack us to get a single district and where the cowards?
I must say I have a better chance against OH and FA lol! Where do you guys buy your lag?
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Posted - 2015.08.09 17:57:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Yesterday's Aeon wrote: So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity ...
Today's Aeon wrote: And before anyone brings up PC ISK Generation - that **** has been gone for over a year now. It's no longer a valid argument as to why we should let another ISK printer be a thing.
Am I reading this wrong, or did you flipflop your position entirely in under 24 hours? If you can't keep the facts straight in your own head, how do you intend to function as information filter/exchange between us and the Devs? No. I didn't. You misread what I was saying entirely trying to find something to troll with. Yesterday's Aeon was saying that making ISK from PC battles and accumulating DK (essentially ISK with a different name, let's not beat around the bush here, they implemented DK because the ISK economy is already perma*****ed) is all that PC battles are really good for if you're not into politics. Today's Aeon is saying that passive ISK generation from locking districts and making bank off of passive clone says is done away with already and using it as an argument for why BPO's should be completely 100% free is BS. I'm not trying to troll you, Aeon. I believe that your first position fits reality: Hold land. Stockpile Isk. The less you fight, the more you make. As for BPOs, I see no argument being made here about BPOs. Seems off topic. So should we focus here on fixing the end-game? Which is the topic of this thread. Or should go looking for new ways to bone poor players? Because Eve reasons.
Do you even PC bro? You can't make ISK in any form or fashion from PC except through battles. That's reality.
And the comments regarding BPO's were in response to someone else's post....
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Posted - 2015.08.09 18:51:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote: I'm not trying to troll you, Aeon. I believe that your first position fits reality: Hold land. Stockpile Isk. The less you fight, the more you make.
You can't make ISK in any form or fashion from PC except through battles. That's reality.
What happens to excess clones once a district reaches capacity? So when yesterday's Aeon talked about printing ISK, what do you think he was referring to?
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:I still don't see the point of PC other than a d*ck measuring contest. Give me the EVE PI connection in a seriously important way and I'll play.
The day EVE important resources are shifted to the planets is the day PC would matter. As an Eve player, that would be a terrible mistake that could be easily avoided. The Dust-Eve link should be synergistic, not discordant. Dust 514 players and Eve players alike should not feel that they have to spend hundreds of dollars on a peripheral in order to protect their assets. I'm cool with PC offering a bonus to PI ouput for occupancy of the respective area but any 'seriously important way' usually means 'force 'x' player to perform 'y' action in order to get 'z' result'. The FW link, while not immediately noticeable or powerful, is right in line with this sort of synergistic approach. Eve players don't feel they have to depend on Dust 514 players to flip system sov, Dust 514 players don't feel they need Eve support to flip districts. POS bonuses in Molden Heath for alliance occupancy are underrated because of the region itself but if you apply that to say, Pure Blind, and I can 100% guarantee that Goonies would want to take advantage of Dust 514 and we'd probably have a much bigger following even despite those bonuses being optional and largely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. To put it simply: You should want to take advantage of the link but not feel crippled without it.
From the beginning though I was hoping it would become necessary to fight for planet districts because I liked CCP's idea of moving focus to the planets. The idea was to move away from gate camp fights. In null sec there'd be no contest because of an alliance presence in the region would give them zero competition for planets.
In high sec it would be another fun npc thing that would generate the pub matches in DUST and only cost players the price of replacing their PI xommand center. In low sec it would create another opportunity for pirates.
There could still be a "back door" method of circumventing having to use DUST to take a planet. Make it where DUST ground assaults make taking the planet easier and also add certain bonuses or privileges.
Or, add maybe add new content like expanding the T3 strategic ship content and have the PI resources count toward that.
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Aeon, I'm giving you a like just because of how well written that post was. Not because I agree or feel that way myself. Well written though. How can you agree with that... CCP have had to build around a game of players encouraged to squeze every last dime out of it rather than just play for the content on offer, offered a sandbox to do what you will and rather than make something you pocket the sand instead... How can CCP be expected to add content to that environment ?? ISK wealth is great.. on a game you can barely find a battle in becasue of that mentality. Many crazy bastards have played the game for just as long, with only the intention of just seeing content progress The ISK barrier is half of the reason gameplay is screwed, and allows scrubs like me to get a good score... As much as we complain of CCP, the community they have to work with sucks. I said the post was well written, not that I agree. In fact, I don't feel like Aeon described. I've been playing since day one closed beta. Though I didn't play much of closed, and only started PC relatively recently. I play for the fights, for the challenge of skill and strategy. I've never tried to gain large amounts of isk. I recently reached my highest ever wealth at 60mil isk. I do like the isk element, as it lets you vary your commitment based on the competition. It's nice to fight proto with proto, but it's also fun in situations that seem hopeless, to have the option to fight proto with bpo and win the isk war. Which is something I really can't stand as an Eve player -_-;;; I think it's total bupkis that someone can run a suit that is as effective as proto in the right hands and it be totally free of risk. Especially now that we have the beginning elements of Tiericide, which I am 100% for, BPOs and APEXs are all the more powerful and need to have some sort of mechanic that limits that financial prowess. I'm really hoping this Salvaging gameplay we're getting in 1.3 alleviates some of that in the future - maybe have BPOs cost salvage parts in order to constantly funnel out. And before anyone brings up PC ISK Generation - that **** has been gone for over a year now. It's no longer a valid argument as to why we should let another ISK printer be a thing.
I like BPOs being a thing that only costs real money without continued costs. The APEX suits being editable messed up the idea of having them be real money proto power BPOs.
I like the idea of offsetting the present APEX suits with something like the power core idea. It would be a different power core that must be purchased for more than regular proto power core and it unlocks the suit to be editable.
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:jonny battles wrote:TheD1CK wrote:PC 2.0 has opened the way for ALL Corps to become PC active... By either creating, allying or joining Corps set to attack, all mercs can get involved Last night muliple raids were launched at landholding Corps keeping them ran ragged for DMG And I have to salute the mercs involved '07' as mercs from all TZ's took part with no gain bar getting some fights There is life left in MH, more players need to become part of this and not by sending an app to one of the blobs.. But by joining smaller Corps and getting them fighting, add more groups to the game to add more fights. I recently watched a YT vid of DMG V 0.H in a PC battle.. we lost out *big shocker* but that wasn't the worst part.. The 0.H team hit the Victory screen and there wasn't the slightest bit of surprise or joy in their WIN. - And it's not really surprising. In Dusts dead stage there are no teams big enough to fight them.. RGZ are but they made pretty friendship rings and don't look like dropping them N-F / PG / AoU / FA have the players that can contest them, but they keep to themselves While too many Vet players want to sit about, farm profit and avoid tough battles, when they could be right in front of you. MH need more fights, I am glad to help Corps that want to enter into them so get in touch in-game.. For those more cowardly, don't worry RGZ hide behind ROFL+0.H apply there for PC in a noob friendly environment Lol we hide behind them? 95% of the time we bring 16 random gunz besides last night I don't remember the last time we used ringers. But if we're such coward's why did you guys have to mass attack us to get a single district and where the cowards? I must say I have a better chance against OH and FA lol! Where do you guys buy your lag?
Lol you attack us and then blame us for the lag? I think I just found joke of the day......
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.08.09 21:51:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote: I'm not trying to troll you, Aeon. I believe that your first position fits reality: Hold land. Stockpile Isk. The less you fight, the more you make.
You can't make ISK in any form or fashion from PC except through battles. That's reality. What happens to excess clones once a district reaches capacity? When Yesterday's Aeon talked about printing ISK, what specific process(es) do you think he was referring to? Yesterday's Aeon wrote: To put it simply: We're jaded. There's nothing else to do, really ...
So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity and use that same ISK to get SKINs and tradeable stuff we don't have yet.
What specific processes do you think I was referring to? I just ******* explained it to you. It was a poor choice of wording on my part. Let me run it by you again since you just ignore everything that just said.
There is no such thing as 'excess clones' anymore, dude. Get with the times. The only thing you can do with clones and districts is sell them for DK, which is currently worthless. It is without value. There is no 'ISK Printing', there is no way to make ISK from PC districts or clones, there is absolutely no way to make ISK from PC at all except through battles and even then the value of which you earn is based on what the enemy uses.
Do you understand now or are you so bent out of shape about the very specific wording - which I have twice now admitted was a failure on my part - that you're blind to any sort of common sense or logic? You're pushing -so hard- to make me look like a villain that you're actually contradicting game mechanics at this point. It's frustrating as hell and I'd -really- appreciate it if you would stop.
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Aeon Amadi wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just in it for the ISK Why? So you can be richer than the other 10 people who'll end up being what's left here? I'm just in it for the fights, at some stage I have shot for/at every Corp active in the game, a lot of that time spent with some of my own rag-tag clan of bandits who are an awesome mix of players, and a lot of them are damn good at what they do.. because I took the chance, and brought them to fights, from Vet to NPC corps, if it's red we try to kill it Added to that, I have dragged DMG mercs to fight for a lot of fresh blood in PC, offering mercs, unwanted advice, insults and if the team was going nowhere I would just take of over and try to lead it myself and as many times as I've died for it.. I have brought as many teams with sh!t odds to win battles... For the sake of getting more fights. I've seen ringers, way too many fight for ISK and a stomp.. faced with a fight the RQ QQ LAG battle begins. A merc that wants to fight someone is worth 10x more to a team than one that wants to get paid. Currently in MH a Top active fighting Corp can make use of about 10 Districts, with this you can afford regular battles, gain profit and have a stock of clones. At this you have a good total and add to fights, smaller Corps aiming for 5 would be ideal, there are the players to do this active on Dust yet we sit in a stale mate because of Alliances, truces, fggts and scrubs that cannot see past their own activity and in most sad cases KDR... but why bother to rant sense at any of you.. CCP left the building.. this community is what we have to game with and it's not looking good. SOONtm... as we wait for CCP to spoon feed something to fight over Which will not happen.. why add content to be farmed rather than contested?? To put it simply: We're jaded. There's nothing else to do, really. Lot of veterans have reached a point where we have maxxed out everything even remotely related to our progression choices and are just dumping SP into things we could care less about. The DK market doesn't exist yet and will likely not offer anything we really find valuable. Faction Warfare is a'ight if you want exclusive SKINs and marginally better gear but other then that it's a role-play sort of deal. Pubs offer ISK but not in any great way and not with any real reliability. So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity and use that same ISK to get SKINs and tradeable stuff we don't have yet. I mean, you're talking to players who have been around since June 2012 and probably even longer on Eve Online. We've already explored everything this game has to offer. Fought on every map, used every weapon, used every dropsuit, every vehicle, every module, every piece of equipment.... Fought every battle that we thought was worth a damn... ISK is really the only thing driving us anymore. This megalomaniac pipe dream that will go on for an infinite amount of time. But I mean even that's not ike a big priority... Just gives us a reason to do the stupid things we do, gives us a reason to keep playing the game when by all rights we should have quit ages ago. Sounds like some boring ass **** to me. Just quit, your making me depressed reading this ****...
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote: I'm not trying to troll you, Aeon. I believe that your first position fits reality: Hold land. Stockpile Isk. The less you fight, the more you make.
You can't make ISK in any form or fashion from PC except through battles. That's reality. What happens to excess clones once a district reaches capacity? When Yesterday's Aeon talked about printing ISK, what specific process(es) do you think he was referring to? Yesterday's Aeon wrote: To put it simply: We're jaded. There's nothing else to do, really ...
So what's left is PC battles and ISK printing, essentially. Stockpiling ISK en masse so that we can run whatever kind of gear we want for what is effectively eternity and use that same ISK to get SKINs and tradeable stuff we don't have yet.
You're pushing -so hard- to make me look like a villain that you're actually contradicting game mechanics at this point. It's frustrating as hell and I'd -really- appreciate it if you would stop. What happens to excess clones once a district reaches capacity?
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Districts don't generate clones when they are full
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They vanish. However what you are getting at is correct and Aeon is not iup to date. Districts can generate ISK again.
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zDemoncake wrote:Districts don't generate clones when they are full Gotcha. Am I correct in that a district holder can spend CP and sell a portion of clones from a district?
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.08.10 17:43:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:You're pushing -so hard- to make me look like a villain that you're actually contradicting game mechanics at this point. It's frustrating as hell and I'd -really- appreciate it if you would stop. I'm just trying to keep the facts straight, Aeon. You're wrong about Districts not being sources of ISK, if that is in fact what you believe. I don't think you're intentionally being dishonest. My concern is that the opinions and assessments you're offering might be based upon inaccurate premises. Better to get the facts straight before we pitch our two cents than after, right? zDemoncake wrote:Districts don't generate clones when they are full Ares 514 wrote: They [excess clones] vanish. However what you are getting at is correct and Aeon is not iup to date. Districts can generate ISK again.
Thanks, guys. So the district holder would be wise to sell off a portion of those clones at or prior to the district's reaching capacity, right? Effectively, CP + Clones for ISK?
Shotty, I explained the optimal way to make ISK in PC a while ago to you.
You have to do the following.
1.) Hold a district. More than likely you'll need a few for some "Security". More clones means more ways to attack and defend.
2.) Let the districts fill up. Defend them. Don't send out attacks with anything but CP. You need *almost* full districts for optimal defense.
3.) Sell clones in BATCHES. Not all at once, you rotate them. Stagger them. IIRC, you sell in batches of 80, but if you're a solid team with no outstanding enemies, you can probably get away with selling in batches of 160.
4.) Repeat steps 2 and 3.
That's it. You need a solid enough defense to give you the safety you need to continually sell off clones. You NEVER want to sit on a full district (Unless you are in war). It doesn't generate and you throw away ISK. Might as well sell it off.
There isn't a "Safe" way of making ISK anymore. You want ISK? You're going to have to sell clones, which WEAKENS the district.
Please note: While I haven't played in a while, and I've never been a part of logistics, I'm fairly certain that this is how current mechanics work. As far as I'm aware, you can make ISK from districts, but its honestly a lot of hassle for a halfway decent payoff. Small corps won't be able to safely do so. You need around 5-8 districts to safely rotate and keep pumping out ISK without threatening yourself unduly.
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Thanks for the clarification, Ghost. That fits my understanding of present mechanics; my open-ended questions are aimed at benefiting those who might be working with outdated information.
Now that we're (hopefully) all on the same page, one question to consider ...
If all PC Corps agreed to ceasefire, would their landholdings generate more ISK than if they were all at war?
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Ares 514
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Thanks for the clarification, Ghost. That fits my understanding of present mechanics; my open-ended questions are aimed at benefiting those who might be working with outdated information.
Now that we're (hopefully) all on the same page, one question to consider ...
If all PC Corps agreed to ceasefire, would their landholdings generate more ISK than if they were all at war?
It's actually better to be down two clones restocks (down 160 for CH/SRL and 200 for PF). You always get two restocks on a district before you can be attacked on a generating district. So each day you sell of the clones you got that day after the initial setup. |
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Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thanks for the clarification, Ghost. That fits my understanding of present mechanics; my open-ended questions are aimed at benefiting those who might be working with outdated information.
Now that we're (hopefully) all on the same page, one question to consider ...
If all PC Corps agreed to ceasefire, would their landholdings generate more ISK than if they were all at war? It's actually better to be down two clones restocks (down 160 for CH/SRL and 200 for PF). You always get two restocks on a district before you can be attacked on a generating district. So each day you sell of the clones you got that day after the initial setup.
Best practices aside and assuming the only goal were to optimize ISK returns, do Landholding Corps make more ISK from Districts when at war or when at peace?
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.08.10 18:18:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thanks for the clarification, Ghost. That fits my understanding of present mechanics; my open-ended questions are aimed at benefiting those who might be working with outdated information.
Now that we're (hopefully) all on the same page, one question to consider ...
If all PC Corps agreed to ceasefire, would their landholdings generate more ISK than if they were all at war? It's actually better to be down two clones restocks (down 160 for CH/SRL and 200 for PF). You always get two restocks on a district before you can be attacked on a generating district. So each day you sell of the clones you got that day after the initial setup. Best practices aside and assuming the only goal were to optimize ISK returns, do Landholding Corps make more ISK from Districts when at war or when at peace?
Always at peace. When at war, your primary goal is to HALT clone production and lock districts. Locked Districts = No way to spend clones to attack, and also stops them from generating clones, AND stops them from selling them.
War is something you want to avoid at all costs if trying to farm ISK. That being said, if you want to make MORE ISK, you need to take land.
People don't like land being taken from them.
It's a balancing act until you establish a strong base. At that point, you try to maintain enough presence in PC to deter attacks, while at the same time giving your players incentive to stick around, either through regular PC or paychecks.
Maintaining ISK positive in PC is anything but easy. You have to have a good team that knows what they're doing.
I know what you're getting at Shotty. No matter what, you will ALWAYS make more ISK in peace.
If they want to make it so that you get more ISK in WAR, they will have to HEAVILY favor getting ISK from successful attacks. In that case, why hold districts? Just spam CP packs and win the fight.
There is a balance somewhere between holding districts and fighting for them. I personally think that it will be found in granting production abilities to districts and generating ISK from winning fights. Gives you incentive to fight for ISK and defend for assets.
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thanks for the clarification, Ghost. That fits my understanding of present mechanics; my open-ended questions are aimed at benefiting those who might be working with outdated information.
Now that we're (hopefully) all on the same page, one question to consider ...
If all PC Corps agreed to ceasefire, would their landholdings generate more ISK than if they were all at war? It's actually better to be down two clones restocks (down 160 for CH/SRL and 200 for PF). You always get two restocks on a district before you can be attacked on a generating district. So each day you sell of the clones you got that day after the initial setup. Best practices aside and assuming the only goal were to optimize ISK returns, do Landholding Corps make more ISK from Districts when at war or when at peace?
Theoretically, if you have enough districts and If you are only defending you can make just enough while at 'war' as long as you're still able to sell clones. In practice though it's easier to make ISK when not at war.
Some real raiding mechanics could setup a nice counter play between the two types of corps, those with districts and those without. There will always be PC fights as corps are bound to **** off other corps.
I think what some don't realize right now is it's better to leave an active corp with one district than wipe them off the map completely. A mechanic that I really like personally. |
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TheD1CK wrote:jonny battles wrote:OK d1ck what your saying is that we should disband every alliance in the game? That so people can have no ally and just panic merge instead? What will that fix? C'mon.. every team in MH knows.. RG speed dial 0.H in danger as a back-up... Only after they are busy do you even use your own allies, so it's hardly that important to you and lolpanicmerge.. how is recruiting every left over you can find anything different?? You say this but who was it that was ringing for another corp? Oh yes you Did you notice how it was 16 random guys against you, whistle you have 4 people form the same corp and the rest where all ringers .
Plus I was lagging like holy **** on that one, I was lucky to get 1 frame every 30 seconds
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